Ever since Loma accepted a fight with Kambosos next year a lot of people on Twitter have been debating his legacy. Some calling him an all-time great some calling him the most overrated boxer of all time. One person said he was one of the best talents he'd ever seen but his resume didn't reflect it. what do you think about Loma and how he should be remembered when he retires?
Sports fans on the whole are subject to hyperbole. And legacy is fickle. If we're being real accomplishments, while a prerequisite, they are not the end all be all.
I probably agree with the sentiment that Loma's resume does not reflect the level of talent he has but also that doesn't mean he didn't accomplish a lot.
Boxing has existed for over 100 years. Most of the best boxers of all time are long forgotten. Go through Ring Magazine's top 100 boxers of all time and then ask some random dude at a spots bar if they know who Emile Griffith, Tony Canzoneri, and Archie Moore are (all in the top ten btw). How about p4p talent like Junior Jones? or Frankie Randall, the first dude to beat Julio Cesar Chavez sr? Just being mentioned in the convo of like best 100-200 boxers of all time great is a testament to how good you are. Cause there have been a lot of fantastic fighters.
As for how he likely will be remembered, he's a 2x Olympic gold medalist and a 3 division world champion. He's got a unique style that is one of the most aesthetically pleasing styles of fighting in recent memory. I think that's good enough to be remembered fondly, especially as in the internet age where people are going to be clipping some of the visually stunning stuff he did and putting it on tiktok or whatever social media app comes next.
I also think it comes down to how your era is processed media-wise, if that makes sense. For example, the four kings era is remembered fondly in no small part because so many of the guys covering boxing today were kids then. So part of it is going to depend on who is covering the sport in 5, 10, 20, 30 years.
One of the big things being a basketball fan taught me is that part of being remembered when you're gone, is to never really leave. Podcasting, tv analyst, commentary, coaching, etc. You keep your name at the front of people's minds by just never leaving. And all four of those guys are still very much involved with boxing. They're at a lot of big fights, some are gym owners or promoters, or they're doing movies/tv appearances. And they talk to media. A lot. I know what Tommy Hearns thought about Spence-Crawford because he gave an interview about it. What Vasyl does when he stops boxing could have a big effect on his legacy too.
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Vasyl Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz Fight Preview
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Published: October 28, 2022
On Saturday, October 29 at Madison Square Garden’s Hulu Theater, Vasyl Lomachenko (16-2, 11 KO’s) will look to secure an undisputed lightweight showdown against Devin Haney by overcoming unbeaten American Jamaine Ortiz (16-0-1, 8 KO’s).
Lomachenko lost his lightweight titles in an upset defeat to Teofimo Lopez in October 2020, but has since mounted his comeback with dominant victories against Masayoshi Nakatani and Richard Commey, showing he is still an elite fighter.
“The Matrix” was one of the absolute pound-for-pound elite before the Lopez loss, arguably Number 1 in the world, and a three-weight division champion.
On his day, Lomachenko is still arguably the best fighter in the world at 135 lbs and below. Exquisite footwork, balance, hand speed, angles, head movement, constant perpetual motion, the ability to make you miss and make you pay in an instant, ring IQ, and accuracy which gives the Ukrainian underrated power. Lomachenko is a complete fighter.
Lomachenko had agreed to a deal to fight then-unified champion George Kambosos Jr on June 5 in Melbourne, Australia, before Russia invaded Ukraine and Lomachenko decided to remain in Ukraine with his family and fight for his country.
“I just wanted to bring a little bit of sports attention to our country and Saturday, in Ukraine it will be Sunday morning, Ukrainian people, it will change a little bit their mind on good emotions,” Lomachenko said at the final press conference.
Lomachenko is looking for another world title shot as soon as possible, but Ortiz must be taken care of beforehand.
Ortiz is no slouch. The American is unbeaten and his last fight was a career-best win, a unanimous decision victory against Jamel Herring in May 2022. Although Herring was on the decline, the impressive fashion in which Ortiz beat Herring showed that Ortiz can hold his own. It would be a huge upset if Ortiz defeats Lomachenko, but he can certainly be expected to make the Ukrainian work for the win.
Ortiz has had his eyes set on Lomachenko for a long time, and will now have the motivation and determination with his long-time goal finally being delivered.
“This is something I always manifested into my life, eventually fighting Lomachenko,” Ortiz said at the final press conference. “The time has come. Here at the Mecca of boxing, at Madison Square Garden, everything I’ve asked for, and God has delivered it.”
Lomachenko is now 34, has been relatively inactive and has had numerous shoulder surgeries. How much does he have left in the tank? With an undisputed bout against Haney potentially on the horizon, this Ortiz fight will show us a lot.
Ortiz has nearly four inches reach advantage on Lomachenko and is a thudding body puncher. Those aspects of his game will trouble Lomachenko the most. As a lightweight, Loma has a greater size disparity against his opponents as opposed to 126 lbs and 130. His punches affect his opponents less and the Ukrainian is more prone to getting hurt himself.
Regardless, in Lomachenko, we are talking about one of the most skilled fighters of this generation.
If Loma prevails as the victor, as he is expected to, he is in the final chapters of his illustrious career, and huge fights await. Loma has the true heart of a champion, and will seek the most challenging, meaningful fights, which right now, would be Haney for all the marbles at 135 lbs.
Times have now changed. Loma is no longer viewed as the clear favourite against potential opponents in the same way he would have been in 2018. Despite his impressive resume, Loma would no longer be clearly favoured against the likes of Haney and Shakur Stevenson. Young, hungry champions who will have undoubtedly had their eyes on Loma for a while, much like Ortiz, looking to boost their legacies by beating the Ukrainian boxing icon, who is ageing by the day.
If Lomachenko deals with Ortiz conclusively, looking like his former self, then the whole lightweight division… tread with caution.
If Ortiz manages to pull off the upset, then it may be time for Loma to call time on a stellar career.
(Featured Photo: Mikey Williams/Top Rank via Getty Images)
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Devin Haney gets UD to defend title against Vasyl Lomachenko.
On no planet did Devin Haney win 8 goddamn rounds. I’m fine with him winning 7-5 but 8 rounds is CRAZY. I thought Lomachenko won that one. Haney did a great job of attacking the body and when he remembered to pressure, actually did a good job of keeping Loma reactive but as the fight dragged on he defaulted to his natural inclination of trying to grab on every other exchange. Lomachenko did a bad job of dealing with the body attack, though by the end he was using Haney’s body shots as a trigger to try and counter. His flurries and his escape to the outside angle were on full display. All in all it was a fantastic fight though. If you’re going to be a boring fight like Haney, I want to see you in there with someone who is going to push you to have to change something about your game. Loma did that.
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TEOFIMO TAKEOVA OR TARTAN TORNADO, CAN JOSH TAYLOR DECODE THE BLUEPRINT LEFT BY FEROCIOUS KAMBOSOS?
TEOFIMO TAKEOVA OR TARTAN TORNADO, CAN JOSH TAYLOR DECODE THE BLUEPRINT LEFT BY FEROCIOUS KAMBOSOS?
The boxing world is buzzing with anticipation for the potential showdown between Teofimo Lopez and Josh Taylor, two of the best fighters in the sport today. Teofimo Lopez, who calls himself “The Takeover”, is the undisputed lightweight champion who shocked the world by dethroning Vasyl Lomachenko…
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Yahoo Deportes Vasyl Lomachenko y su magistral pelea contra Devin Haney, que los jueces no le dieron como victoria Omar Peralta
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lun, 22 de mayo de 2023, 4:56 p. m. CST
Vasyl Lomachenko llegó a Las Vegas como carne de cañón. La lógica que impera en el boxeo lo necesitaba: el veterano que debe ceder la estafeta a la nueva estrella. Una nueva estrella como Devin Haney, invicto en 29 peleas y campeón indiscutido de los pesos ligeros (135 libras). Alejado del boxeo en 2022 por la invasión a su país, Ucrania, Lomachenko dejó muchas dudas en su regreso, en octubre pasado contra Jamaine Ortiz. El coro de voces boxísticas tenía una certeza: no era el mismo de antes.
Ese declive natural se contraponía con el ascenso de Haney, que el año pasado superó dos veces a George Kambosos Jr. para ganar y luego retener los cinturones mundiales. Más alto, más pesado (Haney rehidrata bastante bien las libras que pierde), y más joven (24 años): todo estaba a favor del californiano. Pero en la previa necesitó darse confianza a sí mismo. Por eso empujó vulgarmente a Lomachenko en la conferencia del día antes. La demanda popular le pidió al ucraniano una última noche de magia.
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