#Would I even be a prequel stan? Or would I be one of those ''OT only'' people with no regard for Padme or Anakin

[gch1995]

You’re so obnoxious replying to every post like that. Not everyone views Star Wars like you do, get over it. Let people enjoy the stupid space movies on a base level. You aren’t better than everyone for how you personally view the franchise. Choke on a rock.

I mean, I’ve been trying to stay in my own lane as much possible because I know I will offend narrow-minded assholes like you, nonny.

More than anything, it’s those of you who are Jedi apologists and hardcore Kenobists who act demanding, delusional, and self-righteous.

All I did in a recent post in regards to the appreciation of Anakin’s character on a post of Hayden Christensen’s upcoming appearance in the series was mention that I think a lot more people sympathize with the character now than they did back in the 90s and early 2000s because since then our society has become more aware of the negative impacts in regards to child abuse, cult abuse, grooming, and emotional abuse. Anakin’s not an innocent, but his agency was constantly compromised by abusive, arrogant, corrupt, manipulative, oppressive, and negligent authority figures his whole life in slavery and two space soldier cults. That’s something a lot more of us understand today.

Yes, Obi-Wan Kenobi was one of those abusive authority figures in Anakin’s life, even if his intentions weren’t usually deliberately malicious in nature. I mean, I don’t know why it’s so hard for Kenobists to admit that, in spite of not being evil, Obi-Wan Kenobi generally proved himself to be a very arrogant, controlling, deceitful, emotionally negligent, hypocritical, insensitive, and manipulative bastard who displayed those traits consistently enough throughout the OT and PT movies and TCW to be considered a pretty awful friend, guardian, and mentor to Luke, Anakin, and Ahsoka.

Really consider how you would realistically feel if you had a friend, guardian, mentor, or teacher like Obi-Wan Kenobi who treated you in the same ways he did Anakin, Ahsoka, Luke, and Padme throughout the series whenever Yoda and/or the Council asked him to deceive them, manipulate them, or throw them to the wolves, and he complied by doing it to fit in more of than not. Would he really be the sort of person you would seriously want to have as a parent, friend, or mentor? Someone who constantly deceives you, manipulates you, and/or pushes you away to kiss the ass of higher ups? Someone who is so deeply dysfunctional themselves that they really couldn’t be healthy to interact with in a relationship unless they could work through their own issues first?

No. Of course, not. You’d also come to distrust that person, resent them even, and want to avoid them as much as possible when they repeatedly proved themselves to be toxic people to your emotional, physical, and/or social well-being who couldn’t really be relied upon.

I know that Obi-Wan is not the only Jedi of his time guilty of being that sort of person as an adult. A lot of the Jedi from the prequels were or became ass-kissers in regards to corrupt and oppressive authority figures at one point or another in either the Jedi or the Sith, including Anakin, and it’s not just their fault they grew up that way because of how broken the system they grew up in was.

However, Obi-Wan is the only one celebrated for being a Yoda ass-kisser at nearly all costs in the movies and TCW by many of his stans, even though we canonically see evidence that it constantly leads to both himself and the people he cares about feeling betrayed, feeling confused, feeling ignored, or feeling lonely every time he does.

It’s like, why can’t his character have flaws?

#star wars anon #anti kenobists #anti obi wan kenobi #obi wan kenobi was a terrible friend guardian and mentor to Anakin Luke and Ahsoka #and he let down qui gonn because he was too desperate to be Yoda’s ass-kisser #like it is a recurring theme throughout his arc that he is a deeply flawed person who was convinced he had good intentions but fucked up #I really even shouldn’t have to tag this anti obi wan kenobi #because his arc is centered around him constantly failing both himself and people he cares about #by trying too hard to be a perfect Jedi™️ at nearly all costs #but how dare kenobists woobie wan actually be pointed out as having flaws #the tragedy of obi wan #the tragedy of anakin skywalker #darth vader #ahsoka tano #luke skywalker

[disneydreamlights]

I’ve been thinking back throughout January 2021 and it’s lowkey absurd just how much of a comfort media SW has become for me.

Not because it is because in hindsight it’s stupidly obvious. We have one of the only fully fleshed out corruption arcs, the ultimate Heather(tm) type of character at least twice over to the point that the idea of one of them not resonating with me would’ve been a joke, a romance that embodies too many of my tropes, and a storyline that feels so in line with the messages that brought me into KH in the first place it was really only inevitable I’d be at least invested in this series.

But sometimes I really think about how much I went off about hating Star Wars since 2010 all over my different internet profiles and its just wild how I could go from hating SW on principle to being like “Hey um actually this wasn’t half bad like it’s not my favorite thing ever but I am getting some enjoyment” to “Well I guess this is where my brain latched onto we’re going to be in this for a month” to “ANAKIN” over the course of probably six or so months is so funny to me since I think I knew right from the start I actually liked this series (even the bad ones, for the most part) I just absolutely refused to admit it. Like is anything here high quality for modern standards? No probably not but I like them and that’s what matters.

#personal stuff #This feels very random but I've been thinking about the three panic attacks I've had in the last month #And how all three times after the initial attack subsided and I could think again it's been writing Anakin that's grounded me and brought me #back to the point where I didn't feel like I was going to spiral again into another one #It's funny because I'd normally haha how the mighty have fallen but I'm just glad it happened #Also while I'm in the tags I sometimes think about how I'd almost watched SW in high school #It was probably a little after the first thing that actually made me think about SW as something that could be interesting #(Some post a mututal reblogged back in like 2012 I don't remember it now) #And my dad and I were spending the afternoon at home while my sister and mom were doing something they needed to do #And my dad was going through Netflix to try to find something for us to watch since that was the point TV and modern pop culture started to #lose their appeal to me completely because I was getting more gratification from fanfiction and/or writing so my dad trying to find #something that I wanted to watch was just immensely difficult (as hard as it is now honestly but we spend less time alone at home now) #And he asked me if I was interested in Star Wars and despite having had my curiosity in the series briefly piqued because of that post I #said no I wasn't because he doesn't like SW at all and I didn't want to like the series because my family didn't and we moved on and put on #something else or we played Halo or something that I don't really remember now #And I just think about that interaction sometimes like...what would have happened differently had I gotten into the series then #Had I said ''Okay let's watch the first Star Wars it might be fun'' #Would I have celebrated Galaxy's Edge or would the parks fan in me still been pissed at its existence in Disneyland proper #Perhaps I'd be a lot more open with my family of what I like in SW and less conscious of my interest in the prequel era #Would I even be a prequel stan? Or would I be one of those ''OT only'' people with no regard for Padme or Anakin #Like maybe I would've just watched the movies and called it a night #It's like when I think about how I could've gotten into KH at age eight with CoM I don't regret the timing of when I got into it #But a part of me can't help but wonder ''What if?'' #Sometimes I go off in the tags as much as I go off in the main post and you know what? It's fine

[chamerionwrites]

@permian-tropos​ replied to your post: Extremely cranky Star Wars vagueblogging...

“Personally I’m more concerned about the Jedi being magical mind-bending space cops enforcing the political will of a government that is textually well on its way to becoming the Empire, training up a bunch of child soldiers, and never displaying any major moral qualms about the army of literally bought-and-paid-for slaves they’re leading into battle” big big big agreement lmao

People who stan the Jedi are kiiiiinda frustrating bc I know they just want what the fiction promises, but doesn’t consistently deliver – the Jedi are reassuringly good. It’s okay if they want to write the Jedi as reassuringly good but that would be an attempt to improve canon. The same can be said of writing a universe that reacts more to the bad things the Jedi have done.

But from my perspective the clone army is ONE OF THE MOST INSANELY EVIL THINGS THAT IS COMPLETELY GLOSSED OVER. And they literally WERE created by the villains as it turned out. And they’re an incredibly important part of the plot!

Canonically the Jedi Order fell because they jumped at the opportunity to have slaves and it turned out to be bait set out by the Sith.

“Canonically the Jedi Order fell because they jumped at the opportunity to have slaves and it turned out to be bait set out by the Sith.”

No but really, thank you for summing it up with such devastating conciseness.

To your point about the fiction promising but not delivering, you’re absolutely right and this is really at the heart of my criticism for the prequels - everyone but the truly dedicated PT stans agrees that they’re not great movies, but there’s a lot of variety in people’s opinions as to why they don’t work. Because on paper, they should! On paper, the tragic (and inevitable, because we’ve all seen the OT) moral breakdown of Anakin Skywalker mirrored in the tragic inevitable downfall of democracy is a downright juicy premise with loads of potential, some of which can even be glimpsed in the finished product.

The problem is that the PT can’t commit to actually telling the story that summary implies. It needs to grapple with corruption and decay, and yet it desperately wants to be a clear-cut space fable where the protagonists are Noble and the antagonists are Wicked. It wants what Obi-Wan says in ANH (“Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father; the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic”) to be true. It wants Anakin to be Good, and Vader to be Bad. It wants the Republic to be Good, and the Empire to be Bad. And the result is that it can only approach the transformation of one of those things into the other in the clumsiest and most implausible of ways, and more often than not we end up with a vast disparity between what the narrative framing tells us and what the story actually shows us (and not in the clever unreliable-narrator kind of way).

So as you say, I can sympathize with the desire for a Jedi Order that’s reassuringly good, because the narrative framing keeps frantically scrambling to assure us that they are. But the political position they actually occupy in the films, the way they wield power, the things they condone and the things that they fail to condemn, are neither reassuring nor good, and that’s part of the text, and just because that’s not what George Lucas wants my takeaway to be doesn’t mean it isn’t there because the author is dead and that’s not how the Force textual analysis WORKS.

I like the Jedi well-meaning but fatally flawed, I think there’s enormous storytelling potential in that, but more power to people if they want to write the AU in which they are all that the narrative promises us. It’s still an AU, though, and (in what I freely admit may boil down to “for personal reasons Chamerion is a bit sensitive about being told an institution is wholesome and good when it’s actually high octane nightmare fuel”) it genuinely does give me a little bit of the creepy-crawlies when folks try to convince me it’s not.

#star wars #star wars pt #aggressive negotiations #my separatist feels #my posts #ask box

[empiregalaxy]

Star Wars is so, so good. The movies I really enjoy, the cast is great, the planets are fascinating to talk about, lightsabres (especially red!) are awesome, the characters are engaging, the scenary is breathtaking, we get duels, there’s also a great philosophical element to the series. Plus, it’s alot of fun.

It’s the perfect fusion of westerns, space operas, science fiction & action. It’s a story that has survived generations.

So yeah, I’m a little bit obsessed with Star Wars.

Which is a good and a bad thing. Good in the sense, for all the nice memories associated with it as well as friends. I maintain it’s a good series. 

Bad? Because the fandom is terrible. 

They’ve always been an intolerant, entitled bunch (the sexism and racism is quite high)- the people who liked the prequels were bashed. And if you were an actor in those movies? Or... George Lucas? Oh, the scorn you faced. The treatment of Jake Lloyd was shocking. Still in this decade with a whole new trilogy, the racism John Boyega endured (and still going on) was awful. Comments about Carrie Fisher’s mental health were also done by Star Wars fans.

I was born in 1994, but I’ve heard stories about how fans of the OT acted. It’s... disturbing. Female fans were attacked, there were debates over whether or not its a ‘kids’ movie. All this behaviour eventually reached a point where it turned people off the series all together.

Now tumblr, and other sites treatment of Reylo shippers / Kylo Ren fans is appalling. It is so self righteous, smug and ethically repulsive. I’ve seen them being told to kill themselves, not to have children, told not to interact with posts, blocked from website forums, told that if they are ever encountered, they’d be ‘punched’. It’s disgusting. There’s no way to frame it. How the Star Wars fandom treated Reylo shippers is a stain on SW fandom history. 

Another thing is this fandom’s obsession with ‘fascism’ and ‘nazism’. They see parallels between The Empire / First Order with real life atrocities. Lots of people do, but the problem is when that clouds your judgement- no, Kylo Ren couldn’t possibly be redeemed, cause that would mean redeeming a fascist and that sends a bad message to kids. Or- SW is about Black & White morality, and that there are ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’. Like do you even hear yourself? You sound so ludicrous.

When I watch a Star Wars film, I feel good. When I interact with the Star Wars fandom, I don’t feel good. I don’t belong. And I know, out there- antis are glad I and others don’t belong. That’s how bitter and twisted this fandom is. Well, I believe people can be redeemed. I believe in that people aren’t perfect, and don’t have to be. I believe people can have freedom. No one is going to stop me from believing in those things.

For my friends in the Star Wars fandom, for the Reylo shippers and Kylo Ren stans- I have no anger directed towards you. I never have. 

#anti sw fandom #anti kylo bs #anti reylo bs #ramblings #this is long but i have to let this out

[chiyohlecter]

soooooo i watched tlj last night and got home really late and felt more like sleeping rather than posting about it on here. basically here’s my thoughts:

watch the jeremy jahns spoiler review here i agree with everything he says basically

but i will break it down a little:

- poe in the beginning was ooc with the blowing up the thing, but after that he was 100% right, why the fuck didn’t purple-admiral tell everyone about her plan???? like literally when leia told poe, he was like “oh, ok good”, but when he thought there was no plan, he acted on his own to try and save everyone??? anyway yeah he was right, i love my gay son

- the finn and rose stuff. ah, i love both of those characters and i can see the bare bones of what they were trying to, but god did the execution not work. finn was made the butt of a joke at every opportunity and that was hard to watch since he was my fav new character in tfa (and dare i say the best performance) and them being made to kneel before hux and finn getting slapped was just disgusting. and rose kissing finn at the end was just??? ok w/e

- on leia, my favourite character growing up. once again she was barely in the movie, she was in a coma for most of it and aside from her reunion with luke there was nothing interesting. like her trick with flying was kinda cool, i guess, but it looked super weird, but i was fighting back tears when she was like “i know what you wanna say, my hair looks different“ (i am probably paraphrasing here, since the version accessible to me was a shitty dub)

- on luke. oh boy. first of all, him milking that sea-monster and guzzling it up will haunt my dreams, so jot that down. as i said i liked his reunion with leia. another moment i really liked was when he saw r2 and r2 showed him the recording of leia from a new hope. his opinion on the jedi was like totally right. his little astral projection trick was pretty slick. BUT do these people seriously expect me to believe that luke “i will not fight you, father“ skywalker was totally ready to murder his nephew (who at that point hasn’t even done anything bad, mind you i’m not stanning kilowatt ronald mcdonald here and i wish he died, but at that point luke would never have done that). another bad moment: luke just throwing away the lightsaber. i get why he did it, it just seemed so stupid inserting a comedic moment into something that should have been serious. like if he just didn’t take it and walked right past rey i would have been like ok cool, but he was just like “this bitch empty, yeet“. that being said i was probably the only person in the theater who actually laughed when he trolled rey with that blade of grass or w/e, so guess i just don’t have a good sense of humour or smth

- on that yoda cameo. listen the prequels ruined yoda for me. when i was a tiny child watching the original trilogy i loved him. but at this point even rewatching the ot i can’t tell if i only hate him because of the prequels or if he’s actually bad and tiny-me liked him because i thought he was cute. so anyways not a big fan of yoda, but when he called luke “young skywalker“ (i mean he did in the dub at least) i was like awww, but other than that, getting the most jedi-est jedi to burn down that tree... it should have 100% been anakin or obi wan

- on rey. wow did i not like that stuff. it felt like the whole thing was just to achieve rey and crylo teaming up in that fight. and honestly everyone is really impressed with that fight and i’m like eh, it was okay. like i liked the tfa lightsaber battle in the snow much more tbh. anyway they just didn't give her character anything really, it was all connected to kylie renner. like that scene with the infinite reys made absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever, i guess she had the one moment at the end with lifting the rocks (which was some shitty cgi btw), i just didn’t feel it, at all. and the whole thing where they set up ooo who are her parents and the answer is just, nobody? like i don’t necessarily have a problem with that, but why the setup then?

- and i guess i’ll have to talk about rylo ken sooner or later, so i’ll do it. he is still a whiny pissbaby and again he was given a chance by rey to do the right thing (as he was by han the last movie) and rejected it, again. so if i see anymore posts about redemption or if it is in episode 9 again i will fucking explode, please just stop it. he is a fucking space nazi, what’s so hard to understand about that???? his shirtless scene literally made me go blind for like 2 minutes, my gay ass didn’t deserve to see that. at least last movie he only took down his stupid mask for a limited amount of time, this movie we had to look at his ugly face the whole movie. and he was in it like a lot. and oh boy was that acting not good. like he had the same fucking expression on his face like the whole time, like srsly emilia clarke got nothing on him. the one good thing he did was force-chocking hoax and throwing him into a wall. oh and i guess killing snoke? i literally could not give a fuck about snoke...

- i guess there’s also phasma and hoax, like they are there, they are evil, there is nothing else to say about that. although i did like that finn got to end phasma and when she called him scum and he said rebel scum that was a great moment and the best one finn had in the movie

- on the porgs: literally why? at least the ewoks played into the plot. these fucked up penguins were just there to look cute, i wish chewie had actually eaten the one he roasted (if for no other reason then to make oscar isaac proud). i think the creatures on canto-bight which finn and rose rode were much cuter, if they wanted to bank on cuteness that’s where they should have went

- one thing i liked: c3po is back bitches. unlike literally everyone i ever met, i love him. and i liked luke winking at him. but: where is his red arm????

- speaking of droids, bb8. is bb8 droid jesus? like is there anything he can’t do??? like he was cute in tfa and all, but in this one he literally did everything. like why isn’t he leading the resistance???? they would win in 10 minutes???? why don’t they just make a thousand bb8s??? the first order would be obliterated instantly.

and i guess that’s it.

#tlj spoilers #star wars

[culturevulture73]

8, 15 and 20 :)

For the Star Wars ask meme:

8. If you lived during the Clone Wars, which side do you think you would choose? Republic? Separatists? Staying neutral?

Since I haven’t seen the Clone Wars series, I’m gonna go with neutral. I’ll be over here in Space Switzerland.

15. If Star Wars were a musical, which characters would sing which songs in which scenes?

Oooh....okay, I’m gonna link to the first part of the fantastic SW musical:

https://youtu.be/K1BeJLzrvIk

Because everyone needs to see it... and I think Harrison Ford could even sing “Millennium Falcon” (to the tune of “Greased Lightning”

I’m an old musicals fan, so I’m struggling to figure out how to fit in songs from South Pacific and Sound of Music into SW although I’m sure Leia could do a dynamite version of “I’m Gonna Wash That Man Right Out of My Hair” at the start of Empire...

One of the first songvids I ever saw, at a convention called MediaWest, was the song from Scarlet Pimpernel, “Into the Fire.” It was a multi but it starts with “David walked into the valley” and the vidders (the amazing California Crew) cut Luke walking up to Vader in Empire and lighting his saber - it worked so beautifully!

https://youtu.be/TDxZUf9Z29U

20. What is the main reason you love Star Wars?

I saw original SW at 12 and, because I was a die hard Trek fan, I was not that enchanted with it. It took Empire to turn me into a Star Wars fan (and now I love the hell out of New Hope). I spent my childhood reading Edith Hamilton’s Mythology and around the time I saw Empire, I was reading Mists of Avalon, and then Excalibur came out the next year. Empire has those mythic underpinnings and it’s all character and wow, is it gorgeous. I saw it at least 15 times in the theater.

I think it’s a combination of the mythic underpinnings of it, the sense of this little group against a vast armada of bad guys, and those beings at the center. I will stan for Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, Lando, and hell, the droids too. And Wedge - I was a Wedge fan before it was cool. Han will always be my favorite - the cynic who nevertheless goes riding out into the snow with “Then I’ll see you in hell!” 

I was a hardcore SW fan through Jedi and wrote fic for it and collected articles, etc. Somewhere around 1985, it started slipping away for my other shows that I loved. I tried the books but they really did nothing for me. Saw the prequels and same (I really need to see them again)

What amazes me is that I had basically given up on Star Wars before Force Awakens. I’d sold my sack of action figures the year before, a lot of my saved articles seem to have disappeared. Hadn’t even bought it on DVD. I was borderline not even sure I wanted to see the movie, because I knew my three would barely be in it (oh, if I’d only known...wonder if I would have gone).

And I walked out of the movie so upset...and came on here and slowly slowly found SW fans. Now I’ve got the saga on Blu Ray and the original cuts on DVD, got back books and pictures...I’m a Star Wars fan again. I have so loved all the discussions on here, about the saga and its mythic underpinnings, about the underlying love between the OT Big 3 that will always be there. I’m so glad to find others as angry about what happened to them in TFA and as willing to say “those are not those characters.” And on the other hand, I’m thrilled to see new fans for the franchise (especially the ones going back for the old stuff). 

thanks!

#star wars #onwardintolight