entirely related to my last bit of writing: miguel believing that johnny is touch-averse due to trauma, and doing everything in his power to avoid touching johnny (and prevent anyone else from doing so too). daniel believing that johnny is touch-starved, and doing everything in his power to touch johnny as much as possible.
they both thus assume that the other is clueless to the truth of johnny and his relationship with touch, and quietly resent each other’s approaches to interacting with johnny.
(meanwhile, they’re both right. johnny appreciates the easy, casual space miguel gives him - and does his best to make sure the other kids give him. johnny doesn’t have to worry about playful hits his brain could interpret as real, or hands on him, or arms thrown around his neck.
equally, johnny appreciates the long-earned trust and understanding he has in daniel. and he does trust daniel, in all of his constant casual touching that steadily veers more and more affectionate.
he remains clueless about their unspoken subtle feuding.)
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GEMINI what are your thoughts on how the boy's parents would react to their kids?
like i think johnny would be happy but panicky at the same time, he's nervous for robby. he supports robby as well as he knows how, and prays that robby doesn't make the mistakes he did.
carmen and miguel's yaya would be SOOOO happy for him, and they're so supportive!! they're in utter shock (in the good way) when they find out that there's triplets on the way.
i don't know what to think about eli's parents or anything cause we only saw his mom Once. but i like to think he tells daniel and amanda, as well as johnny, and they're so so happy for him!! i think daniel and/or amanda came up the the terror twins title.
I love this and I've thought a lot about this since I got it.
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Johnny is low key a nervous wreck. He thinks he knows what he's talking about when it comes to being a dad, but he never had a good father figure in his entire life, so most of his principles come from TV and movies. Old TV and movies. So sometimes it's questionable. So he'll give advice and if Robby has to question that advice whatsoever, he usually does the opposite of that or gets a second opinion.
However, none of that has to do with Johnny's feelings about his granddaughter/grandchild (grandchildren). Somehow, "father" and "grandfather" get separated in his mind. So he doesn't think he needs the experience of being a father to be a good grandfather. He's a fun grandpa, but he's not the best when it comes to babysitting. He needs a supervisor if he's gonna watch the grand-babies tbh.
All that to say, yes, he's happy but worried, but tries to play it off. Like, he tries to ignore his worries when in front of Robby, but keeps himself up and night hoping Robby knows what he's doing because for the life of him, he doesn't.
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Carmen and Rosa are so excited. They sit with Miguel and his wife for hours just talking about when Miguel was a baby and even when Rosa had Carmen. When it's announced that there's three, they are quiet for a moment and then they're cheering. The information takes a moment to sink in but they're so happy. More babies to love! They're also ready to go all hands on deck and be helpful.
We saw Rosa make Miguel a Halloween costume out of olf nedsheets, but I think for her great grandchildren, she'd save up to buy new fabric and yarn to make them little hays and baby blankets. Does to crochet or knot? I don't know, but I know she sews and there's a lot that can be done there. I just love that trope of someone (not necessarily a grandparent) making baby blankets. [Unrelated, but Moon gives me that give a lot.]
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For the Moskowitz parents, they're hard to pinpoint. I have a solid headcanon for Eli's mom, but I flip-flop with his dad a lot. So for context, I think Eli's mom is supportive of her son, she gives him the means to do whatever he wants, but she's not really there or paying attention. She works and that keeps her undivided attention unless something is very obviously wrong, like her son crying. She probably freaked out about the forced shave because her son was assaulted, but Eli probably begged her to let it go and never named names. With his silence and shutting down, she dropped it in hopes that it would help him get back to himself. He also hid a lot of the stuff he did whilst in CK - the tattoos, the bad behavior, etc - so she probably thought for a while, he was well mannered and didn't have to worry about him.
As far as his dad goes, I think he's away a lot. Either in the office all day, 9 to 5 sort of thing, and only sees his son late at night or on the weekends, on the rare chance they're home at the same time. Eli wants a better relationship with his father but has stopped trying to achieve that and started reaching out to other father figures he could find; he did this with Johnny, Kreese and Daniel and relieved different things from them. Johnny gave him tough love, I can't think of the word but whatever the fuck Kreese did, and then Daniel gave him the opportunity to earn respect and gave it back to him. That's why I believe Daniel is the best sensei for Hawk because in the beginning, they were reaching out to each other but missing, but given the tools and lessons needed, Hawk was able to build bridges, earn Daniel's respect, and in turn respect Daniel for what he was offered.
With all that out of my system, Eli's parents are shocked, but supportive. I honestly see his dad being business-like and very analytical, but means well. So he asks the hard questions; are you sure your ready for this? What's your plan? How are you gonna support two babies? It comes off as lecture-y, but it's from hisnheart. He wants his son to succeed as a parent and that first means being a provider. His mom is ecstatic. She hugs him and his girlfriend (in my mind they got pregnant first, had the baby, then got married) (also Eli would be kind of sappy and want to include their kids in the wedding, I mean they're literally a living symbol of the love he has for his gf/wife) they're there for him, but he struggles to connect with them as parents/soon to be parents.
I like the idea of Eli going to Daniel and Amanda. He looks at them and sees two people who not only raised two pretty great kids, but made it. They have a business, they have theblife they wanted for themselves and their kids, they're happy with their family and each other. They support each other despite some of the crazy ass shit they do (for Daniel it's getting involved in the karate war, for Amanda it is all her hot headed reactions; they're perfect for each other and I love it [yes I'm over looking Amanda being done with the shit because it was pulling Daniel's attention away and blah blah blah, that was a bump in their marriage and those happen]) where was I? Oh yeah, Eli.
So he goes to them and asks for advice on stuff, especially when they find out about the twins. He's excited but nervous for twins. So he asks them how to go about having two kids and they offer him the best advice.
It was Daniel that said "two Hawks... that's almost a nightmare."
And Amanda said "watch them be terror twins."
I also like to think that, even though we know nothing about Demetri's home life, Eli would also look to his mom (I personally think Demetri lives with his single mom). Demetri and Eli are binary brothers, they had sleepovers, it was Demetri's mom he would have to wake up in the middle of the night because he wet the bed. Yes, I believe he'd go to all the parents he knows and use bits and pieces of what they all offer him to inform his future parents decisions.
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Johnny is, well, Johnny. He's proud but terrified that his son, Miguel and Eli are going to be fathers. He's watched them all grow onto young men; give or take what time he spent with Robby. Actually no, when they decided they were gonna fix their relationship was a big step for them. With Miguel and Eli, he basically helped shape them into who they are today, or at least got them on that path. He's proud.
He also finds it very hilarious that they manage to knock up their ladies around the same time. He's also a dumbass and gives the guys credit for it, especially to Miguel and Eli for having triplets and twins even though that's not how it works exactly. You can't tell him any different though, he won't understand. I wouldn't waste the time or brain power trying to explain how someone gets pregnant with multiple, let alone the different between identical and fraternal.
This got super long, but I had a lot of thoughts lol 😅 anything I missed? Anything you wanna add?
I'd love to hear alternative thoughts or add on thoughts to what I have here.
I love these headcanons, baby headcanons are my jam.
Did this even make any sense? Lol
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So I need my feminist card revoked because I want Carmen to have a girl so Johnny can have a daughter, and Robby and Miguel can have a sister, and the 3 of them will be over protective idiots.
The baby is absolutely a girl. That's what the whole sonogram scene was foreshadowing - so you will probably get your wish.
Honestly, if you like the babyplot and think this would be sweet - then that's completely fine. You do you. I'm not going to tell you that you aren't allowed to enjoy media a certain way.
I mean, I have a wildly different take, but that doesn't mean you're wrong - just that we see plot devices differently.
The babyplot makes me legit sad for Johnny on many levels. (I mean, I'm sad for a lot of the characters involved because they've been narratively misused- but it's actually a tragedy arc for Johnny).
There is something sweet in big doofus men being protective of tiny lil baby girls and this trope can be done well and be heartwarming - but it's also a common trope because:
1) big doofus strongman type characters are only allowed to show softness and vulnerability with female characters.
2) little boys are often treated 'less soft' than little girls in media (even though at that age, their need for snuggles/attachment is identical).
So for me, since the show has already tried showing Johnny outgrowing his sexism, I don't need to see him playing princess teaparties with a toddler to prove he's not sexist anymore (as adorable as that would be).
And like, wouldn't it be even more wild and meaningful and engaging if Johnny was allowed to show softness around his own son? Wouldn't that help him build a more meaningful connection with Robby? Wouldn't that have been a more powerful way of showing that he's grown past his toxic masculinity?
That's the story I was more excited for.
(RIP my hopes and dreams for this storyline).
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How cute was that baby that Carmen dreamed them having 😭 and I hope Johnny does go around with the baby strapped to him
So cute!!!!
I’ve manifested the pregnancy storyline since season 2 really, so I’m super chuffed (and a little surprised!) that they’ve introduced it this season.
Sadly, I think that does mean we’re nearing the end of Cobra Kai, but I really hope the reason they’ve done it now rather than end the show with it is so they can go on until at least after the baby is born, and we can see Johnny doing all the adorable dad things that were making him gag early this season. Especially because I think this one’s a girl and he’d absolutely melt when she arrives.
Like Billy Z said in a recent interview ‘he has a little heart growing inside him and I’d like to see where that goes.’
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Okay okay I have something to say.
If you follow me you know I hate the CK S5 baby plot. I’m not ranting here about why. Lots of good reasons to hate it. But listen, here’s the thing.
1. They’ve decided to go the route of making CK an over the top karate soap opera, yeah?
2. We have now had MULTIPLE instances of Terry brooding over legacy and the future and the importance of the next generation, right?
3. Terry was shown giving veiled threats to Carmen and Johnny, and he now knows Carmen is expecting.
THEREFORE
4. As much as I HATE this baby plot and wish it had never existed (no I don’t care at all that it was foreshadowed; it’s cheap and assassinates at least two characters in one fell swoop, if not like five), if they are too cowardly to give us a “comically villainous Terry steals the baby” plot line, Jane the Virgin style, after setting it up this way, then they’re really missing an opportunity to make this show everything their twisted little minds seem to want it to be.
Just sayin’.
(Disclaimer that in addition to hating baby plots with the exception of shows that made it clear from the start we’d be getting them, I also hate child peril plots. Severely. But given where they seem to be taking the show, it really would be a shame if they didn’t just commit.)
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