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jaruis · 1 month

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A requiem from thou to thee

To herd two birds with one Chainsaw Man.

#chainsaw man #nayuta #barem #fumiko mifune #asa mitaka #fami #yoru #chainsaw man 154 #csm 154 #chainsaw man 158 #csm 158 #guillotine devil #haruka #miri sugo

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thelesbiansuperjesus · 3 months

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put fumiko down 2024

#chainsaw man #csm #csm154 #chainsaw man 154 #csm fumiko #fumiko chainsaw man #fumiko mifune #anti fumiko #meme #csm memes

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mahaguro · 3 months

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Denji's greatest feat :,)

Fujimoto did good by clearing up any doubt that Nayuta would turn into Makima 2.0

Might be cheesy to say out loud, but Denji's greatest feat has come in the form of raising Nayuta to be anything but a weapon of mass destruction.

#chainsaw man 154 #chainsaw man #csm denji #nayuta #makima #fujimoto #tatsuki fujimoto #control devil

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denjhenge · 3 months

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KICK HIS ASS NEYUTA!!

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libertastandem · 3 months

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Chainsaw Man chapter 154 spoilers!

I'M GONNA THROW UP ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

#gun devil #chainsaw man 154 #csm 154 #chainsaw man #csm

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add1rall · 3 months

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Props to this guy for “source?”ing this guy and not just believing him

#chainsaw man #csm #csm 154

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sugar-grigri · 3 months

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Nayuta must become the big sister

I think what's especially interesting to note in chapter 154 is Nayuta's failure to use the right tactics.

Denji raised Nayuta correctly, emphasizing going to school, trying to control her possessive outbursts while being extremely present for her. In short, he nurtured her, giving her the protection he hadn't enjoyed as a child himself.

Although Nayuta knows her own nature and instincts, and is not naturally altruistic, she still looks at herself in a certain way: from society's point of view, and from her own, she is a child.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not insignificant to have Makima reincarnated; we could very well have had Nayuta, already an adult, because she's a devil who doesn't grow up. Nayuta already seems to grow up much faster than humans, so Fujimoto could very well have decided that a demon, especially a knight of the apocalypse, should already be born as an adult.

She grew up more quickly, and by the time Denji had finished devouring Makima, she already had the appearance of a 4/5-year-old child.

Fujimoto made Nayuta a child, because it's this state of being that makes her a control demon so paradoxical. Indeed, if Makima was so powerful, it wasn't just because she was older; the fact that Denji had killed Makima didn't change anything in terms of the fear one can feel of control.

What affects Nayuta's power, capable of controlling only 3 people at a time, is the way she conceives herself.

Makima was so powerful because she occupied a fairly high hierarchical position among public hunters, just as she had unquestionable authority over her agents. What's more, the government assigned her an objective of a universal nature: to protect all mankind from evil things. This role of universal protector, albeit a protective one, naturally places Makima, the control demon, in the role of guardian, humanity being as harmless as obedient puppies. The only thing Makima couldn't feel superior to was Chainsaw Man, for he is the entity that provides the means to pursue her universal goal of protection.

The key to Nayuta's fate is the fact that she has been loved and pampered by Denji. She makes it clear: it's natural for a demon to kill humans. Which, on the other hand, indicates that it's completely unnatural and almost unnatural for a demon to love and be loved by a human.

To have been loved, to have been happy, enabled the control demon to understand other ways of relating than pure domination, whereas Makima didn't understand human relationships, to the point of being moved by a hug, so unattainable for her.

Nayuta understands the nuances of relationships, just as she claims not to be the leader of powerful public officials but a mere child, which always places her in an inferior position to her enemies. That's why she's less powerful: to be in control, she needs to feel superior, which she can't easily do when she sees all these adults surrounding her so vehemently.

She focuses more on her social role as a child to be protected than as a demon attacking head-on. She still adheres to her role as a child, she's not obsessed with CSM because she can't reach him, he's now in her inner circle, she doesn't have a universal goal such as protecting the humanity like Fami suggested, she just wants to go to school.

In short, the control demon no longer wants to control, no longer needs to, or when she does, it's out of sheer necessity. The fact that she's weaker was Kishibe's objective when he gave custody of the demon to CSM, to make the control demon more human, more childlike, to avoid this exponential need for control. In short, the fact that the Control Demon's supreme objective is to be loved has contained its power, because its objectives have been achieved.

We can see how love is an unnatural thing, because it limits a demon who should be supreme through his solitude. For Nayuta's sake, to get out of her situation in chapter 154 would be to have a crisis of ego, and I think that symbolically it's not out of the question that if Nayuta abandons her role as a child, she'll grow up brutally. For a demon, appearance and age are simply a question of positioning in society. Makima had chosen to take on the appearance of a femme fatale to enable her to manipulate more effectively.

A soft voice, an attractive appearance to encourage us to lower our guard, the better to control coldly.

This is also why Barem is so dangerous to her: he's big-boned, aggressive and very tall, so he can be naturally frightening to a child. If Nayuta wants to control him and regain the upper hand, she mustn't see herself as a child with a gun pointed at her head. That even when assaulted, even when held at gunpoint, she's still in full control, that despite the chaos, she's still superior.

It's no coincidence that it's a gun that's pointed at her. Guns are fatal for humans, but for demons, especially the most powerful ones, they don't mean much. Nayuta doesn't need to be afraid of a gun, she needs to embrace her demon nature.

And she's on that track because protecting CSM, rather than being protected by him, means she can now play the role of a big sister.

What's more, she needs to get to know her own need for violence and cruelty. Chaos isn't what she likes, this chain of violence and combat isn't what she desires, because what she wants is cold, absolute control, where all she gets is unfailing obedience, people falling into line, not men with spears fighting each other in a primal manner.

She has been brought up by Denji, adopting his mannerisms and his way of speaking, but she also needs to distance herself from this fraternal figure in order to be herself.

All this leads me to say that the Knights of the Apocalypse, by moving away from what they are, are THE ONES who bring about the apocalypse, which is totally obvious, hence their name.

By loving something abnormal for the demon of control, by falling in love with his worst enemy for the demon of war, by wanting to save humanity to better eat what it produces for the demon of famine... show how they are all affected by humanity, to the point of putting aside their demonic nature.

Think of it as a kind of broken balance, which leads the eldest, the demon of death, to intervene. Why? For death represents absolute equilibrium; no one can escape it, it is an absolute rule from which it cannot be dislodged, it is an inevitable and firm end. Common to all species.

So she intervenes, to pull the ears of her little sisters Nostradamus' prophecy doesn't predict the apocalypse - in fact, it predicts that it will be triggered by the Knights of the Apocalypse, who have set out to protect mankind from the apocalypse. It may sound complicated when you put it like that, but the idea is to reinforce the idea of inevitability: protecting mankind from the apocalypse isn't a rebellion, something that can work; on the contrary, Fami's plan triggers it because she denies her nature. It's a losing game.

When I say that Nayuta needs to be a little more Makima again, it's not just for her own good, it's also for the good of humanity, and I find that ultra interesting: it's necessary for the antagonist we got rid of in part 1 to return, at least partially, in part 2.

But she mustn't go back to being that obsessive protector, she must simply resume its role as predator. Mankind needs predators: with the evolution of technology, it thought it could challenge its food chain, but paradoxically it needs to be bruised by demons to survive, since the balance of the world is at stake.

It's all the more symbolic that Barem and Fami use the wrong strategy: like Prometheus, they give fire to men via contracts with the fire demon, reinforcing the idea of evolution to escape its nature. It's even more symbolic that many weapons serve this project, such as Miri, the demon of the whip and the spear, hybrids linked to this civilisation.

It's absurd for the demon of control to argue that she's just a child. If she wants CSM to escape, she must also allow him to free himself from his role as big brother and protector. And the answer to this question was given by Fumiko, who didn't realise that dogs and Meowy weren't just animals. What she should despise is certainly not her own family.

Humanity is nothing more than pets, and this realisation is the key for Nayuta to become herself again.

#chainsaw man #csm #csm part 2 #csm spoilers #csm 154 #denji #denji hayakawa #nayuta hayakawa #nayuta #makima #barem bridge #fami #yoru #kishibe #death devil #fire devil #my thoughts #I wrote this in class oooops

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chilled-ice-cubes · 3 months

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genuinely feeling insane about nayuta's character development. "video games are more fun than killing"/"i'm just a kid!" the way the violence she's just faced has further humanised her when she reacts like the child she is, meanwhile denji, the human boy, slips further into embracing the violence of the myth that's been forced onto him...

#chainsaw man #csm spoilers #csm 154 #anya.txt

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iridescentscarecrow · 3 months

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obsessed by how fjmt's ideas on family evolve over the course of his work. love and sacrifice -- here, nayuta, forced into the role of the protector as opposed to the nayuta of the prophecy.

i find it interesting how fjmt insists upon family and connection as formed within society and how this always inevitably leads to a rejection of society. agni and luna from fire punch are notable here too, their connection itself is used by the people around them to extract worth from their bodies. and in the end, this connection is what drives the revenge arc that togata directs for agni. but more importantly its what drives living, drives his participation in the aforementioned hostile society.

and togata directing this, then him, the director taking on the role of agni's sister, his family, is important re: denji because

makima is the director of part 1, the author who forms the family for denji. family, for her, are dogs (and she herself is one. she identifies through smell. she is kept and collared by the state) and she creates and solidifies aki and power into tropes to drive denji along her narrative. and yet, she craves affection that she can only engage with through subordination, domestication. this is how she's been treated, she surrounds herself with dogs, makes the chainsaw man she desires functionally her dog while imagining him in terms of freedom (in terms of a chaotic, masculine self).

and nayuta, born out of makima, is cast into this role in this chapter. fumiko calls what nayuta refers to as "family" her "pets", you see nayuta assume the role of the sibling in fjmt's previous work. this is chilling when you consider how nayuta itself reformulates Family in p2, acting as the thread that connects denji to the Plot, the story of normality, that he grapples with. an idea set out by makima, the normal life she takes away from him.

and barem! i've talked about how barem models himself after how he idealises makima before (his Dead Wifehood) but the punch, the irony in this is how he turns to nayuta, the control devil who loves and sacrifices and is driven into the narrative on her own, the makima that we knew existed in her search for intimacy, but one he is unable to visualise. and he points a gun (a gun!), the very thing she turned aki as denji's family into, at her reincarnation..