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tiwtdafs · 2 years
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Hello everyone,
long time anonymous Kaylor here (lurker is the word probably), and long post incoming 💚
I’ve just recently started using this space more openly and sharing opinions, which I’ve honestly always been quite scared to do for various reasons, so I just wanted to share a bit of how I became a part of this little piece of heaven here on Kaylor tumblr and how important this community has been to me 🌈
When I first found out about Kaylor, it was years ago through a mutual connection on instagram. At the time, I too was going through a phase of slowly understanding myself and my queerness, which I’d obviously suppressed for so long (it took me just as many years, if not more, to actually accept it after realising it had always been there). So when I found this rabbit hole (or should i say these rabbit holes, as it all started with TTB, kaylor evidence, the masterposts, and all of the newer tumblr pages that have kept the memories from the archives alive all these years) - I finally realised what had always been quite confusing before: why did I always relate to Taylor’s music so deeply ? why did I feel like I could actually feel was she was feeling, even though I’d definitely never felt so strongly about any man in my life, while she was allegedly the straightest human on the planet ? Well that’s because she wasn’t. She was, although on a much bigger and more complicated and public scale, one of us 🎉🌈 As someone who struggled for years to accept my non-straightness, finding out that the biggest artist on Earth, whose music I’d loved for so long, was a tiny bit similar to me and my experience, made me feel a warmth and a tenderness and a happiness so strong that my heart could have exploded for it. I genuinely cried myself to sleep every night for 2 / 3 weeks after finding out. A happy, sad, angry kind of cry - happy to be in on the most beautiful secret of our generation, sad for all the freedom and the life that T & K have had to miss out on, and angry, SO fucking angry that some small-minded, arrogant idiots felt entitled enough to do this to them, to her. To take a life that wasn’t theirs, and make it what they wanted it to be, and take what they wanted from it. Fuck you. Fuck all of you who did this. “So unfair” I mumbled while trying to sleep. “So beautiful” I couldn’t breathe.
Fast-forward to today, I’ve spent an unreasonable and unhealthy amount of time lurking on every corner of the tumblrverse as well as analysing songs (my fave past time) and converting all my besties to Kaylorism (they are now so invested it’s ruining our lives 😂💖).
I’ve been trying to learn as much as possible and I’m so thankful to all the fabulous blogs on here:
@spade-riddles
@chosetherose
@9w1ft
@asteracaea
@rainbowdaisy13
@daisyswift3
@kwyw
@iwanthermidnightz
@tales-of-kaylor
@bettyshoweduptotheparty
and I’m sure there’s so many more I’m forgetting please drop your @ if you’d like !!
All this to say, I’ve spent years anonymously supporting and reading theories and enjoying the amazing safe space you have created for our community - you all have changed my life and I’m sure you’ve changed T’s life too, so I just wanted to share my little bit of personal Kaylor lore because it still makes me so happy and emotional to think about all the difficult times we’ve all been through and knowing that now the future’s bright, dazzling 💖🌈
Sending love out to you all, thanks for everything. Onwards and upwards from here xx
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9w1ft · 3 days
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pretty sure this was bait and ya got filtered so i didn’t get to looking at you for awhile but i actually had an answer so i figured id share
i mean, look at the basic events that brought us here. kissgate, then slowly rebuilding kaylor, then the 2016 election, then slowly putting distance between them, then a quiet rebuild in 2018 and 2019, then the masters, the pandemic.. and then their life stage changed, and their priorities would have too. in other words, from my perspective, it’s not that they’ve always been hiding, it’s sysiphean. ever since kissgate they’ve tried to build back up to that cozy glass closet situation they had going on in 2014, only for things to go awry. this is such a clear narrative to me through her work, and i think it informs so much of taylor’s art because it’s so much more than what people try to insinuate by the phrase “muse discourse” — kaylor serves as a grand story that ties together world events and how they effected their love. it informs so many important pivots and decisions in taylor’s career. it’s a window into what sometimes feels like nearly everything she sings about and it’s like… it’s so comprehensive and the transition from loudness to hiding is kaylor. it’s the why to so many questions i see gaylors (and sometimes non kaylors) ask out of frustration for taylor’s actions when they don’t meet their expectations or desires (looking at you, lavendergate), and sometimes im not sure what more i can tell them. maybe that’s one disadvantage to stripping a discussion of the context of taylor’s art and “focusing on just the art” whatever that’s supposed to even mean 🙈
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before-civility · 10 months
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So, theres Kaylor and theres Swiftgron and there (was briefly) Toë and all the other possible romantic links, including even hetero/bi relationships right, and it does make me think, if taylor is queer (and taylor is, even if the specific rship theories arent real, definitely queer) is there any reason we dont also imagine her as poly/ in open relationships?
I mean
If i were rich and famous and beautiful and hot, and all my friends were victoria secret models and musicians and generally also rich, famous, beautiful and hot... and we all work in abnormal industries and working environments and travel constantly and tour and had all that privilege and could probably do whatever, idk i can see there would probably be more people in that world who might have less typical relationship structures?
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Is there a reason we assume monogomous, consecutive relationships? Is it because of the intensity of lyrics and the pining? Because I don't know that wouldnt still be present in polyamory (i dont have personal experience here just imagining).
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Also, if taylor was poly or open in some way in her relationships it might also explain some of her complex relationship to marriage and weddings - see that post about all the times shes mentioned hating weddings, ruining peoples weddings, not being a bride etc.
I know poly people can get married to a primary, but it would certainly add a layer of complexity.
It also could unite some kaylor theorists and swiftgron theorists, what if the signalling for both is correct? What if theres overlap? What if something non conformist is happening here?
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Anyway just theorising and thinking, please reblog/ reply w your own ideas. Obviously its all just speculation and shared imagining but im interested to imagine together.
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badgalazzie · 1 year
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„stop assuming taylor’s sexuality” no, at this point i am CERTAIN she’s queer and you would get it too if you gave gaylor’s theories a chance and read about swiftgron and kaylor timelines. listen, i know how it feels to be closeted and how much you want to give hints through your clothes/art/things you post online to other queer people who simply „get it” without being too open about it. it’s called dropping hairpins and surprisingly taylor has two songs with the word hairpin in it *shocked*. just sit, listen and see through a different perspective. somehow it all makes even MORE sense. @/annaevanx on tiktok said: „realizing taylor is queer truly opened my third eye like her music and persona just makes so much more sense through a queer lens” and i couldn’t agree more. taylor might never want to publicly come out but for me and many other queer/non-queer people she’s already visible enough to consider her as a queer person. i mean come on— who’s wearing a PROUD bracelet in pink-purple-blue colors??? definitely not a straight person.
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rainbowdaisy13 · 5 days
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Anyone wanna chime in? I don’t remember her specifically addressing these songs but I do remember there being discourse on BTTWS possibly being written for her close friend who had lost a child. She never addressed Ivy either which always floors me that no one cared
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No like literally the only people that clocked what Taylor is actually saying with her whole chest in Labyrinth was Kaylor Tumblr somehow even though it's so clearly related to what Taylor's saying with BTTWS and Robin, and like the only non-Gaylor/Kaylors that clocked ivy were like amateur poets and musicians doing reacts to ivy on YouTube and all the girlies who watched Dickinson on Apple TV+ 🤦🏼‍♀️
Incredible
😆😆😆
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thegaypheasant · 1 year
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Why hits different is most definitely about Karlie Kloss
Let’s all take a closer look at the second verse of Hits different
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She’s starting of strong by stating how she used to “switch out these Kens”, referring to her dating history leading up to meeting the person this song is about *cough* Karlie Kloss *cough* . By calling her ex partners her Kens, she’s kind of implementing that said current partner isn’t the ”perfect man” in the eyes of the GP. And who’d be the most controversial partner for a pop singer, a cis/het white man? I don’t think so either… A cisgender non-heterosexual model however… One could say they’d be a big conversation…
The next line that immediately captures my attention is this one: “Freedom felt like summer then on the coast” If you listen closely this line is screaming Big Sur Roadtrip right back at you. 
However, the line “Now the sun burns my heart and the sand hurts my feelings” is where the heat is at. Let’s dissect it and take a closer look, shall we: The sun burns her heart. The sun… where have I heard that before… hmm. OH RIGHT the Vogue Best friend interview with Taylor and Karlie! When asked to describe the other in one emoji, Taylor doesn’t hesitate when stating that Karlie is “sunshine” to her. 
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The next part is even more Kaylor koded. The sand hurts her feelings. Let me pull up evidence number 2 real quick..
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The sand would hurt my feelings too, Taylor, if such memories were connected to it…
The rest of the second verse of the song clearly focuses on the time after they split. Taylor being heart broken for everyone around her to notice. Another hint that the song might possibly be about the NY girlie with shiny abs (Taylor’s words not mine) is the line “I slur your name ‘til someone puts me in a car” . Karlie has already stated that “my friends call me Kar”, which sounds SUSPICIOUSLY like the word car, don’t you think? I mean who else’s name would sound like a car slurred? Joe? Except for if she were asking for a Toyota, which i HIGHLY doubt, this doesn’t plausibly make sense to me. 
The last line “I stopped receiving invitations” could be in reference to Taylor not being invited to Karlie’s wedding.
So, case closed in my opinion…. If there’s any doubt left just listen to the rest of the song and THEN try to argue how it could possibly be about someone else…
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karlie-what-you-want · 5 months
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Can you recommend some Kaylor/Gaylor blogs? I follow some already but I’m struggling to find blogs that are still used
Oh dear. This question always stresses me out, because there truly are so many wonderful, useful blogs on this website, despite our community seeming somewhat small in comparison to the larger T Swift fandom. I’ve answered this question before and felt bad for forgetting to mention blogs that I have a lot of respect for.
My recommendation would be to scroll through my blog and see the names of folks I’ve reblogged from 😊 I just went and checked now, and there’s quite a variety as of this moment, and you’re sure to find even more folks as you click around through those blogs.
Some bloggers are very good at keeping records of events as they occur, others research Taylor and Karlie’s clothes and jewelry and the connections between them, and I personally just like to have community with other fans where we can chat and share our thoughts together.
I’m sorry if that’s a bit of a non-answer, but I promise you’ll find plenty of active blogs with a little scrolling on my page. There’s something for everyone around here. Good luck!
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twelvedaysinaugust · 1 year
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So with Taylor’s breakup I have been using my procrastination hours to investigate the swifties…and woah…the whole gaylor/kaylor thing is eerie. Like down to a baby (Karlie’s…with her husband) killing off a bunch of theorists. Sound familiar? And ppl that still believe kaylor is together look at things like clothing (karlie wore a similar dress!) or stage design (it looks like the infamous VS show they were on together). Sound familiar? And then you had people that previously were all in on gaylor with masterposts debunking her past bfs only to think well she was with Joe and some of the other guys too. Sound familiar?
Like I’m all for new info changing your mind but TS could still be queer? And she and karlie still could have hooked up regardless of what their relationships look like today? I have zero interest in investigating that myself but something must have convinced them in the first place. Which is kinda my reaction to ppl that were always on about what if Harry has a baby with Olivia? Or Louis marries Eleanor? Idk good for them, hope they are happy? but also…didn’t/hasn’t happened yet…so I guess I feel some solidarity with non-invasive gaylors but also some perhaps unfounded superiority mixed with cringe (even as someone who doesn’t have strong feelings on if HL are together currently or what that looks like if so). Fandom is so weird.
I thought this ask was going in a very different direction after the first paragraph, lol.
But yeah, I agree. The second paragraph really resonates. I cannot stand the binary thinking where it all must be fake or it all must be real. I also feel like it leaves no room for the actual messiness of human relationships. (Especially bearing relationships! Hello!) As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of possibilities and fandom has felt a lot more enjoyable since I acknowledged that.
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holyyground · 11 months
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okay so hiiiii 😊
starting off by saying i'm kind of a gaylor myself, in spirit mostly than in action shsbshs i mean i do believe she's not straight and might have been in relationships with women, but that's that, i don't care about the rest.
anyway, i've been thinking about it for a while, that the reason most anti gaylors are so opposed to the idea of taylor possibly being not straight- well, apart from good ol' homophobia, that most of them don't even try to hide, is the connection to relationships and certain people. what i mean by this, and disclaimer; those are just personal thoughts and not something i believe as a fact for everyone- anyway, what i mean by that is that most of them hear the term gaylor and immediately think of kaylor. that people who believe taylor is queer (gaylors) only mean her possible relationship with karlie, does this make sense? and since most swifties have a personal vendetta against karlie, for reasons i don't really care to know, i don't really care about taylor's personal life and relationships (i say as i write this message 💀) tbh, just her music but i do observe 👀- anyway, you get what i mean? since they don't like karlie for whatever reasons, they don't like the thought of a relationship between taylor and karlie = taylor being into women. they can't separate taylor from that relationship and see taylor as an individual, outside of this relationship, who might be queer. i don't know how else to explain this and sorry bc english isn't my first language but yeah it makes sense in my head. like, my perfect het queen taylor absolutely cannon be in a queer relationsh with a woman i hate!!!!1!1!1!1! something like that.
also, i think a lot of people, gaylors included, only see two possible options for taylor: either the hettest heterosexual of heterosexuals or a lesbian. the thought of her being bisexual, pansexual, you name it- just fluid with her sexuality is, as i see it, out of the question. (please, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong but that's how i see it from behaviours inside the fandom.) and here you have lesbiophobia, biphobia, panphobia- queerphobia in general, all fighting each other just because 1. people can't grasp the thought of taylor not being only into men 2. people thinking she can't possibly be into men at all and 3. people plainly refusing to accept that, wow shocking, she might be into women/or any gender as well!! as i said at the beginning of this message, good ol' homophobia 🤩. and anyway, i think that's unfair to taylor. i think most anti gaylors are so aggressive towards gaylors and the idea of taylor being queer because they only see her as a lesbian. and that's truly disgusting. i mean, bisexuality or pansexuality or whatever i mentioned earlier being out of the question, as i said before, is what fuels their hatred towards the idea of taylor not being *only* into men.
oof, i hope what i said makes sense bc my thoughts are just boom all over the place. anyway, cant wait to read your thoughts on this. thank you for your time and patience <3
First I want to say THANK YOU for this massive ask, holy shit. I love hearing y’all’s thoughts about this topic.
Second, I absolutely agree! Over time I’ve seen several comments from non-gaylors accusing us of only seeing Taylor as a lesbian, and that the word “gaylor” only means lesbian, but anybody who spends any time in gaylor spaces would know that isn’t the case. Even for myself I don’t put a specific label on what I think she is because it doesn’t matter. Do I think it’s most likely that she’s bi? Yeah probably, but my opinion on it changes and ultimately I don’t care that much because her individual label is her choice and none of my business.
A lot of the backlash towards gaylors does definitely come from a dislike of Karlie, and having been around the swiftie tumblr community since 2014, that definitely has always been there. A lot of it, in 2014, was because people were generally far less accepting of the idea that Taylor is queer than even they are now, and when she posted that tweet about not making dating rumors about her friends, it only got worse. But then as time went on and Karlie began having connections with the Kushners, it became that much easier to paint her as a villain. But honestly a lot of the hatred comes from the “crook who was caught” line and some dumb rumor started by Perez Hilton, of all fucking people. But a lot of her other relationships with women are shown more subtly or almost not at all, and so because Kaylor is the most visible, it becomes easiest to attack Karlie specifically. And it was also the most recent one we have documentation about, which is also why I think it gets more attention than her other previous relationships like swiftgron. But her queerness is so much more all encompassing than just Kaylor, and it does actually bother me that so many non-gaylors reduce it down to this one relationship specifically. Her whole career is a story of a queer woman, and it has so much depth to it that just gets so overlooked.
In a major way though, I also think a lot of the distrust of gaylors comes from this idea that Taylor is our friend, that she knows us, and wouldn’t lie. A LOT of swifties are VERY attached to who she dates, which we of course saw with the Joe breakup but we still see with Jake gyllenhall, and even Harry. (If I have to see another “I’m a child of divorce” comment about Harry and Taylor I’m gonna Kermit.) This idea that she’s omitted huge chunks of her dating life is horrifying for a lot of people because then suddenly you realize that you matter to her far less than you thought you did. And I get it, we’re all parasocial with her in SOME way, but still.
But yes! Thank you again for this ask, I hope my answer made sense!
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the fact that would've could've should've and bigger than the whole sky both sound somewhat like dear john and somewhat like style is really heartbreaking idk if it was on purpose but it makes them sadder
I was fully prepared to laugh at how ridiculous this was but I actually played style and wcs back to back and I'm really uncomfortable by how right you are, anon.
The end of WCS ends with the same guitar note style opens up with, and like she definitely does the same background singing in both songs. I dont know if she did it on purpose, I'm not taylor so I can't say but it feels like she did.
It actually breaks my heart whenever I think about style because I'm actually convinced it is about her ED, just like I think bad blood is about her ED too (or rather how her ED made her distrust everyone and ruin her friendship with katy) and I just hate it so much because it's such a beautifully written song on the surface about a rocky and anxiety fueled relationship (I honestly don't think haylor was pr but I do think it was mostly anxiety and ED fueled... in fact, the way she writes about Harry, it feels exactly like the way I used one of my old flames as a way to feed my ED desire to feel beautiful) and that writing just really adds to the depth of the ED themes of style because like, I don't ever think haylor was a good couple and although they weren't pr, i do think that taylor was kind of chasing like... heartthrob in a sense? Like okay, so
When I was closeted, the type of man that I went after very, very much played into like heteronormative standards of attraction and what white people thought was attractive. Like, not just the race of the person but more like their entire aura and like the way they behaved. I'm not saying I wasn't attracted to non-white people, I'm saying that even the non-white people I was attracted to were like very heteronormative looking.
It played into my desire to feel conventionally attractive and there is a huge thing about queer women not being real women, and I was shamed for my sexuality before I even knew I was bisexual because of this stereotype of queer women being desperate for love that they turn gay when men don't give them what they truly desire.
So, like, not to project myself onto taylor, but the way that she wrote about men reminds me of this same desire I had to market myself as a good woman. Like, the miss American documentary, it's flowery in language and its from a white perspective but I don't think that means it's any less nuanced, right? Like her talking about her desire to be a good woman is really asute of her.
Like, for a white woman, that is the standard of femininity that we aspire to teach our daughters to emulate. We want to been seen as good, and taylor constantly rails against this desire, especially since 1989.
People forget just how outspoken she was for the time, like I was reading her vogue kaylor interview and she was talking a lot about women's role in society. This was in 2014, before she was really seen as a "feminist."
Like, the difference between the social perception of taylor that I remember and me reading these articles is so cognitively dissonant for me. Like, yes, she is a white feminist but like she's really not as white of a feminist as we claim she is as a fandom.
I've been reading a lot of her interviews from 2014-2016 recently and it's crazy how aware she was of the social dynamics and how well she pushed back against those dynamics in a way that she didn't receive flack for being a radical feminist.
Like, she very much was tired of the good girl image that she used to want to portray and I think that we have to keep in mind, taylor has told us this was her belief system. It feels very autistic to me, honestly, but that could just be my autism speaking for my own desire to be a good woman since it's something that all white women are taught to desire, not just autistics.
But I digress, like, taylor doesn't ever say anything controversial during this time but she still tries to make her opinion known while not trying to rock the boat. So like all of this combined, to me, 1989 feels more like an exploration of gender roles than anything else.
Yes, there is romance on the album but it's not an album about finding love. It's about finding yourself outside of the expectation put on women, especially white women during this time, to find love or to make "a man stay."
So yeah, I can definitely see how style is connected to wcs especially and I really appreciate you bringing this to my attention because WOW big brain take anon.
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9w1ft · 2 months
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Would you agree with this:
taylor is bi and non-monogamous?
I don’t think this statement invalidates kaylor, like at all. Even I can think she has deeper feelings for karlie than she had for anyone else; but you know when doing music you need muses, constant ones, and to sell monogamy. But I feel at that level of celebrity many people are bi and poly or simply non monogamous or in open relationships
i feel like i just scrolled past the tweet version of this from you a few minutes ago? 😆
tangential but i think songs like getaway car or the weird calvin-tom-joe narrative work against your point about the need for a constant muse with the public—swifties (and gaylors alike might i add) absolutely eat the up idea of messy taylor even when it doesn’t make any real sense.
i know there’s an enclave of people who hard sell and/or swear by the non monogamy thing for any number of reasons but it really doesn’t compute for me—are we talkin about the same person? think about taylor’s music for a second. this is the woman who wrote lyrics like if you’ve got a girlfriend im jealous of her, i don’t like that anyone would die to feel your touch, stay here honey i don’t want to share, my one and only, it’s you and me that’s my whole world, etc etc
heck even further back: don’t look at me you’ve got a girl at home / and it would be a fine proposition if i was a stupid girl
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spade-riddles · 2 years
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I see a lot of non-Kaylors online who are sick of Joe. Her songs paint a picture of a really gorgeous, charismatic & irresistible lover and then you see Joe and he's like a jar of mayo. So many tweets about how she should be with someone more in her league. So even the neutral Swifties are thinking the songs are sus, since they just don't match what they see, even if they believe they're a legit couple.
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kaylor · 1 year
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Okay, putting aside that Taylor is a lesbian for a moment...
Wouldn't it be so creepy if Toe was real? When they met she was a Super Mega Star and he was literally just some guy.
Even 6 years later we can't really say that he has much to his name. The power imbalance a relationship like that would have is just mind-boggling to me.
When Taylor and Karlie met, it was before 1989 launched her to the pinnacle of pop stardom/ her social dominance and Karlie was a very successful top model (I've seen fashion fans make the argument that she should be considered a supermodel, despite the ongoing debates of whether anyone after Giselle can actually be considered a supermodel)
I know the Rich and Famous™ don't follow the same rules and ethics as the rest of us, but it just feels a bit icky.
Idk what the point of this ask is, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
idk man there's plenty of celebrities who've married non-famous people, like that's definitely something that happens, even successfully sometimes. so i don't think it makes sense at all to call it blanket statement creepy. i can understand that men could feel intimidated by a power imbalance like that because i've read enough reddit aita threads (i just think they're funny okay) like for sure if that's something you're worried about in a relationship, then dating someone like taylor swift would be an absolute no go straight out the gate. but i also don't think she's the kind of person to suffer a fool like that for very long, since she's shown (in her music) disdain for people taking advantage of her fame and money.
i just don't think it's a very useful comparison of like oh which one is real, toe or kaylor, by saying kaylor is a better match because they're both famous and powerful. it's just not a very strong argument at all.
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bisluthq · 2 years
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the conspiracy I believe about Taylor is that she/her team purposely market towards gaylors by including lyrics/"Easter eggs"/clues to keep them drawn in the same way they market towards her main non-conspiracy audience with Easter eggs. not that she is actually LGBT herself.
I really don’t think so lol because it’s all… just so random. I do think she’s flattered when people think she has range, I do think she’s likely kissed girls regardless of how she identifies just based on her demographic and how much she partied, I do think she loves gay Swifties generally because she has been so kind to people coming out using her music and stuff, but like I am sorry I don’t think she like performed with Haim specifically to tease Kaylors or whatever. It’s just… not a big enough demographic to “tease” and that’d make her homophobic which based on how kind she is to gay fans she genuinely isn’t (beyond how we’re all, even as gay people, a bit homophobic because society is). It genuinely doesn’t make any sense and none of the “clues” are ever sensible unless you’re deeeeeep in them.
Her actual Easter Eggs are like a sign that says Lover or “nothing going on at the moment” when she starts a new album but not like the bizarre ass things Kays claim yk? And non Gaylor Swifties also “find” INSANE klues but none of it is real like she didn’t actually mean any of it 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
Y’all make it up because our brains are wired to look for patterns 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
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whatiwillsay · 2 months
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The old legend goes that a random source came out in 2019 on Twitter and Tumblr about Taylor and Nina seeing each other - they even wrote in to the big Kaylor blogs of 2019 that they knew Taylor and Karlie weren’t together (or that Taylor was at least cheating) because she was seeing Nina and allegedly have photo evidence, but Kaylor’s refused to post about it or share anything (obviously)// lol at the idea Taylor was cheating on Karlie because by then they had a largely non existent relationship
yeah i mean she obvs would have been cheating on joe or having a fling during one of their breaks BUT I'm glad someone was at least trying to watch them. god the kaylor fandom really used to be run like a cult didn't it.
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