#holivia? a disaster

[ipoddymouth]

you guys dont want harry to be bald because you'll have to climb back into the trenches for war. not me. i was made for battle. i thrive on the chaos. i hope he gets a head tatt like aang from atla next

#[taylor swift voice] just think of all the fun things we could do #harry is the most fun and stanworthy to me when he's being messy!!! #holivia? a disaster #but i was one of eight (8) people saying they genuinely liked hs3 jgilajehet #although he shouldnt have gotten aoty for that one tho

[twopoppies]

"His PR relationships seem to be less about bearding than they are to massage certain other aspects of his image."

May I ask about this opinion? Not to argue, just wondering what you mean? For me he´s still very much closeted so every woman he stunts with is also a beard. But I get all women including the current one make this stunt deal to boost their career so he´s basically giving them the platform, right? I´m just wondering what you meant with massage certain other aspects of his image? Maybe when he moved from models to actresses is him trying to break through in the movie industry?

Oh, I absolutely agree that he still closeted. I just meant that in the earlier years, when he was still in the band, the main thing they seemed to be trying to do was say he’s straight, and he dates models. It raised his profile a bit and it made him look “cool and sexy to people who think that way about men who date models. Swiftie and Kendall were mainly to raise his profile as they were more famous in America when he dated them.

These days, his PR relationships seem to have a different focus. Obviously, they still make it look like he dates women. But, Camille was to give him a story to tie his album to, and she was his first “long-term girlfriend“ so that seemed to be a step towards changing the story that he was a womanizer. Olivia was, I think, originally supposed to be a step towards connecting him to the film industry (dating a Director/actress), and was also to show that he could play the PR game when it came to advertising whatever movies he might be cast in. And maybe, too, it was originally going to be another woman to tie an album to (although he clearly side-stepped that. Thank god). The whole thing was a disaster, but I think those were the original intentions. TR I haven’t quite made my mind up about. The relationship does seem to be fixing some of the issues with his image: holivia was an obvious PR stunt and literally everyone hated her. Harry’s fans who like seeing him with women love Hussell and see it as a return to the “low key” nature of Hamille which was the relationship many fans look to as being “real”. It also ticks off the box of soothing those who complain he only dates skinny, blonde, white women. And she’s a “serious” actress, so it still keeps one foot in that world.

So, yeah. In a way, they’re all beards. But I don’t think that’s the main focus these days.

In reference to this.

#pr and marketing #bearding #stunts #holivia #hussell #hamille #closeting

[talkingharrystyles]

The mission of his team is truly to make this lowkey relationship (which is not lowkey at all) believable after holivia disaster. Gf shippers are annoying but this stunt is so fake, irrelevant .. and embarrassing

The only difference between this stunt is that we don’t get OWs daily pap walks to the gym with articles saying how in love they are

[wellthatwasaletdown]

https://www.tumblr.com/wellthatwasaletdown/744321605041340416/maybe-the-two-broke-up-rofl-that-rofl-is-so?source=share

Just like how you all were so confidence with that disaster Holivia 😂😂😂😂 I bet you all thought that they would stay "toGeThEtr " for 5 years🤪 look at where you are now😂🤡

We literally told y'all at the beginning that, as soon as she damaged his brand, he would dump her ass. That's exactly what happened. When her scandals started getting out of hand, she was banished from shows. He treated worse than dirt at VIFF. They just held off so it wouldn't overshadow the premiere of the movie. They did one last hurrah of publicity after the premiere, and then she was officially dumped. Anyone with eyes could see they were done way before the official announcement.

[indiaalphawhiskey]

Hello there,

Hope this finds you well.

I have read your "morality clause" post and it is quite understandable and coherent. However I would like to ask you about "when things went belly up with DWD" if its ok.

We all experienced the disaster of the campaign around DWD, from brewing during its filming period to intensify in the last month before launch. I am curious about when you say that things “went belly up”, what do you mean exactly ?: is it about how did Olivia and her team work unilaterally or rather how did they (HO) work on a common agreement but the acceptance was disastrous?

Olivia's speech contained miltiple red flags, but sadly it was the same one that she has always pushed; I am aware of how everything became even worst the moment the cast & crew joined in the stunt promo to finish off the situation, but what sparked the fire were those 2 or 3 interviews in which various statements from Holivia mixed gasoline and flames... (following a non-stop number of pap-walks that stopped from the sudden to gaslight everyone who have eyes and that lead to Venezia, etc.)

Bottom line: I can consider disagreements, new negotiations and adjustments (as you mentioned) bts because of an unexpected turn of acceptance & exhaustion from the GP/fans, but if "those clauses" had been key and could have brought this BUA timing & “friendly” exit wouldn’t have they immediately stopped any damaging line of speech before getting worst as the first step. Not only they didn’t stop any of the narratives but they continued to feed them. Don’t you think?

Thank you,

N.

Hey, love!

So, I think to understand what I mean when I say “when things went belly up”, you have to think of the weight of the ramifications in terms of the impact on Harry as a wider brand, as opposed to the impact of Harry within his own fandom.

You see, HSHQ expect a certain amount of backlash from within fandom, but, unfortunately, it’s often seen as negligible, because we’re already loyal and converted. If we don’t like Harry’s “girlfriend”, it really doesn’t matter, because we already love Harry and continue to support him.

Where the tides really turn is in the court of public opinion (the GP) and while you’re right in saying Olivia’s narrative never changed, public opinion did the moment Florence decided to speak out against her. That was the first time the GP really stopped and thought “Wait a minute, maybe this isn’t just about Harry’s fans not liking his girlfriend. Maybe there is validity to their dislike.”

That’s when fandom discussions began to gain traction outside of fandom, and then gain even more credibility with the physical evidence that was being attached to the drama (Shia, Shia, Shia; miss Flo; Florence and Chris refusing to do promo; no one taking the time to interact with Olivia at VFF) until it was undeniable that this was absolutely going to damage Harry’s wider reputation.

And, while it seems like a small thing, their “cool off” at Venice and her subsequent disappearance from his shows in September were a direct effect of that, and showed me that HSHQ were desperately trying to regroup and put out fires.

The thing is, the most Harry’s team can do to stop Olivia is threaten to end the stunt, but I believe at a certain point, that threat had no real teeth when she knew he would still need a beard for MP anyway. So, it’s likely the morality clause was breached and Harry got the most he could out of it, while still being able to somewhat “salvage” the two years he invested into the stunt by keeping her around for the shortest amount of time humanly possible.

TBH, it’s still not all clicking in my head, because the one part I can’t figure out is why Olivia had this much power and say that allowed her to push the envelope as far and as long as she did, but this is the most logical theory I can come up with at the moment.

I still would have ended the stunt immediately (and at least spared Harry Olivia’s desperate attempt to stay in the spotlight with the Nanny Diaries), but I guess HSHQ perceived My Policeman as a huge enough threat to insist Harry weather Cyclone Olivia for a little bit longer.

#iaw ask #iaw anonymous #stunt tw #stunt discussion #BUA discussion #holivia tw

[gurugirl]

Do you have any strong thoughts on Harry as a partner?

I was really disappointed with how he acted with Olivia and then Emrata after. If they are really friends I think that's such a dick move from him, really gave me the ick tbh. Anyone not famous I would be like what a twat, but because he's Harry Styles it's like he gets a pass. I just think he's become a bit of a fake and he's actually not respectful of women at all.

Even if Holivia wasn't real, it still made Olivia look stupid and caused tabloid fodder between two women AGAIN and anyone who does that to someone else is a bit off in my book. And yeah she's done problematic stuff too, but not enough to deserve shit in my opinion.

Idk, I'm not expecting any defence or otherwise from you, guess I just wanted to get my thoughts down. It just made me sad to see because I've been a fan of Harry's since I saw him on the X factor when I was 15.

He's still a man I guess, don't know why I continue to be shocked by men's behaviour lmao.

Sorry this is ranty, I love your writing and I think you're so super talented! Sending you love ❤️

I don’t have strong thoughts on Harry as a partner. I feel like he’s very much a man who puts his job (music) first - above a relationship. And I would imagine that anyone he gets with would be forewarned of this.

I think he’s not someone I’d want to be in a relationship with (that’s not to say I wouldn’t roll around int the sack with him for a bit of fun) because I need to be a priority and I need attention in a relationship. Like with Olivia, I agree - that whole thing was a disaster and she wound up looking like a fool and he did nothing to stop that.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say he doesn’t respect women because we don’t know what’s going on behind everything but he certainly puts himself first and like you said he’s just a regular (hot and famous) dude who probably likes to get his dick wet from time to time.

In the end I don’t know him and I don’t know what’s going on in his personal life because anyone who knows him doesn’t talk and he is so vague… we can only make assumptions about him.

Thank you for sending me your thoughts on this! It’s fine if it’s ranty - we all need to rant sometimes! Thank you for the kind words too 🖤🖤

Xoxo

#ask

[goongiveusnothing]

Do you get the feeling that his team and him is kinda lost on how to move forward and they don’t know what image he’ll pretend to be for HS4? He’s going viral for all the wrong reasons and his readymade fanbase is aging out.

i do!!!! yes.

i think they'll keep doing the same thing. vaguely queerbaiting, i'm just very pro peace and love nothingness, and then his album will be the exact same as the last one with his dick rubbing all over us through his pants like he did to emrata. but i do feel his own people are realizing he's boring people.

i feel like the first pleasing drop did really well for him because it was when he still had the massive tour fandom, before the holivia disaster DWD and my policeman stuff, before the emrata kiss which i think grossed people out, before his grammys embarrassment, and before being renown as one of the leading celebrity zionists. i feel they produced a lot of product and got these pop up shops expecting the same kind of interest and sales. before fans were lining up around the block for his stuff. are they still? i'm just not seeing or sensing that degree of interest or excitement. did he end up trying to create too much stock and now it's not selling like he hoped? that's how it feels right now. nothing really sold out. his merch/pleasing accounts not really getting the interest they used to. probably worrying his people a little bit.

[blackandwhlteaesthetlc]

So after some of us were discussing how Harry has had a huge image change since The Grammy's and he seems to have got rid of his womanizer image and it's taken years to do that, and the gp seem to be questioning his image and his sexuality... do you the LNT music vid is going to undo all that? I really don't understand why they spent years changing Harry's image (interviews, seeing more of his goofy side, Holivia (long term relationship) etc) just to show an orgy in bed with women, like old times. It wasn't but that's how the gp will see it and it's how it will be promoted, and will take even more years to get rid of it. They were on the right track and ruined it.

Hi, anon! No, I actually don’t think it will undo that progress. The few headlines I saw describing it as an orgy are to be expected. That doesn’t make it right, of course (in fact I grossed myself out just typing that 🤦🏻‍♀️) but I see it as nothing more than tabloid fodder. Easy click-bait, you know? People will expect something salacious then get Harry in adorable Gucci pjs having a pillow fight, eating pasta with a cute boy, and officiating a marriage ceremony between two women.

To your point about Holivia though, I do wonder if there’s some push back on that now (from Harry) considering how that’s proven to be a complete disaster. I think the intention WAS to make the album about her but he’s all but said in interviews it absolutely isn’t. And now, as you said, we have a video of him in bed with headlines about orgies. The bts photo he posted to Instagram, surrounded by other women, doesn’t exactly promote the image of a monogamous individual in a serious, long term relationship either. Of all the photos to choose, Harry went with that one. Hmm.

I’ll be honest, my thoughts aren’t completely formed on that particular point at the moment. To give you a more direct answer, @twopoppies actually just answered a similar ask too. As always, Gina worded her response better than I could so I’ll direct you there. ❤️

#lnt mv #harry’s image #anons

[alarrytale]

No one has seen that dog at all all that time she’s been in London and now all of a sudden Harry and brad are out with them and 2 days later we get pics at soho farmhouse with that same dog?? And why is Harry walking it again and not her? Funny how some PR person saw him in a pub in London on Sunday around 4pm so they just drove up to that farmhouse for a photo shoot and then he came right back to London. They’re so predictable and pathetic and now again use Deuxmoi instead of pap pics

More dog asks and Hussell shenanigans under the cut.

I really do think Harry and Taylor will hard launch this.

Sadly we Larries were wrong and it is Taylor's dog. The UAs have a new pic of Harry & Taylor walking it on their own.

1. Tay was at vogue office met the editor. Days later, her and Harry were with the vogue designer and Harry lambert. For a vogue photoshoot. Her meeting the editor already means they did an interview with her.

2. Harry with JW Anderson again. Deuxmoi confirms they had lunch earlier last week. Which confirms he’s most likely will team up with Loewe He’s probably going to Paris fashion week.

My theory he will attend the Loewe fashion week at Paris with Taylor. Which will hard launch their relationship. And that will be the perfect timing cause Vogue October issue will release around then.

Again, I don’t think they have a joint photoshoot together. But I do think she’ll talk about their relationship for the interview.

No one is buying his stunts anymore. After the Holivia disaster, everyone called out his playbook. And no one believes his relationships are real anymore. So, what do u do to convince fans and the gp? You hard launch the relationship. Ppl well believe it more cause Harry has never done that before.

Hi, everyone!

We were talking cats just days ago, and now dogs? What in the world...

I don't know if's her dog or not, but we are probably supposed to believe that it's hers and the effect is the same either way. Of course deuxmoi is involved. I'm totally surprised *sarcasm*.

I don't know if they will do a 'hard launch' as you call it. They might, but I don't care. It's a stunt. I've been here too long and seen too much to be convinced otherwise. So we just got to endure it as long as it lasts. I also can't answer asks everyday about what shenanigans hussell are up to or speculate on what their next move will be. I simply do not care, why would i, and want nothing to do with it. Everytime someone types her name it's registered as engagement by their teams statistics nerds, and she earns money and gets more opportunities from it. I'm not contributing to that, and neither should you if you can help it. I get that there is not much else going on in the fandom right now, and this is a hot topic, but please refrain from sending me hussell asks. I'd rather talk about anything else and i'm happy to answer asks on any other h or l topics.

#i'm traveling for work tomorrow and i'll be back on thursday #so if i don't answer your asks that's why #hussell for ts #stunting #bearding

[butterflyrry]

He and his team chose her because they know or hope she won’t be trolling on insta like the others before did. And they hope she won’t call the paps all the time. The connection to Loewe and that she’s an actress and younger and poc isn’t so coincidental either. It’s well calculated and his team hopes to keep his name out there as well as cleaning his image after the Holivia disaster and bonus is that Cockburn has to back off now if she doesn’t wanna look like an even bigger loser now that he’s linked to another female

I know nothing about her so I have no opinion on how she is or will be.

I can only hope that no one could be as bad as the human toilet brush that was OW.

But I’m also not planning on spending much time focusing on whatever this is.

[twopoppies]

Olivia, the studio, AND Harry and his team share that blame for the absolute mess that holivia was. Yes, Olivia was a disaster attention monger, but you know that Covid wedding launch was 100% Harry’s team and he absolutely knew a lot of the shit angles that promo was going to take. I love Harry, but that was a really big miscalculation on his part and boy, did he pay in spades. I don’t blame Flo for a second. Completely agree with her avoiding and condemning all of it. As much as it pains me, Harry did himself zero favors and deserves the snub.

Huge miscalculation. But I still think that Harry/his team were too naive to anticipate the way Olivia was going to try to command all the attention and ultimately turn everyone against her/them/the film because of her behavior. I also think everyone involved must have been completely hoodwinked by Olivia's ability to sell herself because that script was AWFUL. I can't believe any of the actors signed on and that Shia LeBeouf was the only one who could see how bad it was. And as far as the way they promoted the film... I don't know that the sex angle was agreed upon outright, but it's possible it evolved as a result of Harry signing on. I just can't see anyone pushing sex scenes with Shia as a selling point.

So, yeah. I agree that he made some huge missteps with DWD and Holivia and he paid a huge price for it. However, I stand by my thoughts that it wouldn't have been even 1/10th as awful if Olivia hadn't been the person he'd signed that agreement with.

#don't worry darling promo #don't worry darling #holivia #stunts

[daydreamrry]

I'm so confused with all this right now. Like what is happening? Did florence and shia have any problems or what? God, this entire movie is messy as hell and let's just get over with it. It's tiring and honestly? Not needed at all. This movie could've been the talk of the year if ANYTHING that has happened hadn't occurred. Harry Styles's fans are literally divided in half just solely because of this holivia situation. Half is pressed about florence, half is pressed AT florence. We could've gotten best friends harry and florence but noooooo. Whatever the reason was. We don't know what happened behind the scenes at all but whatever it was, it wasn't good let alone best. So to hell with this movie. Harry Styles isn't gonna be affected by this movie or circus if you will because he has My Policeman to 'establish' him as a serious actor and he's always a musician first. Florence Pugh isn't gonna be affected because hell she's one of the best in the business at the moment. She has already made her place in the industry and one movie isn't going to change it at all. She's an oscar nominated actress for god's sake. Gemma Chan doesn't need this to do good either. She's big in Europe and with her involvement in MCU, she's just gonna grow further. Chris Pine is one of the most appreciated actors of our generation. He surely doesn't need it either. And as of Kiki, Asif, Nick and Sydney, they aren't even talked about in this movie at all. Not even a little bit and honestly? Kiki can still have better options, and Asif is a stand up comedian (if I'm not wrong) and idc about Nick Kroll considering his shady background. So yeah. To hell with this movie because people who are in it aren't appreciated one bit so I'm not going to either (:

Okay, rant over. Love you tho. Bye (:

-🧣

you're good babe all of the press surrounding this movie is veryyyy messy and confusing but you're right, none of this is really going to effect anyone's career except for olivia's since she is the director and doesn't have any upcoming projects, so people will always remember this disaster when they see her name pop up in the future. i'm just waiting for september to be over, so we don't have to deal with this drama anymore 😭

#🧣 anon

[talkingharrystyles]

Not to be rude but I don't feel Gemma and Anne's support for MP sincere, they have completely ignored the movie. I think they're reacting now to MP to overcompensate the criticism DWD/holivia received the last two weeks and because they realized that MP prestige can benefit Harry's reputation in the film industry and cover the media disaster that holivia has caused but low-key they're hoping that DWD will be more successful than MP because it means more money for them, Harry and his team.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[cuddlerlouis]

Cant decide what’s more embarrassing. People thinking Harry spit on a co worker at an event? People believing a bad source claiming Holivia broke up (same people who will probably be mad later)? People being mean about Harry and thinking it’s fine because they dislike Olivia? Who knows!

yesterday was a disaster and i honestly can’t understand harry’s own fans celebrating how tense everything was, celebrating a so called break up or taking harry’s poor answers as him being petty and plotting for olivia’s movie to flop. now everyone is calling him dumb as shit and bashing his acting career. even the harmless kiss was criticised left right and centre. i just wish for all drama to die down and for non fans to stop having opinions on harry. and i also wish harry’s own fans would stop setting him up for hate just because it pleases their agenda against olivia.

#asks #anonymous

[fallingsunflower]

her facade is crumbling now which is great for us. I've noticed that holivia and olivia stans have remained silent which is to be expected. i mean the woman that they thought was so "good" has been exposed to be liar and manipulator of narratives to put herself at an advantage. it pissed me off that she's been going around at interviews singing god's graces about flo and was talking about her in the way that she did to shia. i mean there are so many sides to her and she's progressively getting worse and worse. h needs to get away asap because the future doesn't look bright. i mean it never did but it's looking worse now. i feel sorry for everyone who has to be dragged down and about by her bs.

this is a disaster for both of them and tbh I don’t even care. I hope Harry gets out of this asap

[maybeweshould]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion. I think sometimes fans get so wrapped up in the bubble that is Harry Styles, that there is no perspective of the outside. All I’ve seen is, “the films going to flop”, “no one cares”, “the acting is shit”, but I’ve seen people that have no connection to Harry Styles fans say “this is really anticipated”, “the trailers are incredible”, “I’m really excited for this now”, “the chemistry between the actors is off the charts”. They are going to get a shock when it does well. Although, I think Harry and Olivia are doing this for publicity, and I really don’t like Olivia, I also really don’t care how well this film does.

This is probably not such an unpopular opinion. I'm sure DWD won't be a flop.

If I did not know that Holivia is a circus and the DWD movie set was a disaster and I would have seen this trailer- I would probably go to the cinema to see this movie or watch it on a streaming service. And no, it's totally not because of Harry in DWD. I was also at the premiere of Dunkirk, although I had no idea who Harry Styles was... GP doesn't care that much about Harry Styles as fans think tbh especially if it comes to movies. If something about that movie is interesting for people outside of the Harry's fandom it has to be the movie itself, Flo, gossips, drama with Shia and Holivia, not Harry Styles himself.

I liked the trailer, but after watching it, you don't know what the whole movie is about ... maybe that's a good thing, because viewers will not immediately think of The Stepford Wifes. Personally, I like the aesthetics, scenery, shots. It's nothing new, tho. It reminds me a bit of an aesthetic from an episode of Black Mirror, I think it was called Nosedive, mixed with shots from Suspiria and Black Swan (with dance theme). Flo is insanely talented and without her this trailer wouldn't be as interesting. I'm not as thrilled as the comments you wrote, but this trailer may be enjoyed by a lot of people. I showed the trailer to a few friends, that doesn't care about Harry, and most of them said the trailer was very good. A good trailer is the basis for gaining an audience whether the movie is actually good or not (apart from of course the known actors/ director/ rumors related to the title/ reviews and general promotion).