#s5 predictions

[thecelestialsyzygy]

Episode 6 is directed by Shawn Levy. Get ready byler nation, im smelling rain fight 2.0 in episode 6 and a kiss by episode 7! 😌

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[thethingsweneversaid]

Am I crazy or did I just crack the mystery of the monologue scene????

Why did they lose against Vecna in season 4? What were they missing?

They lost the race against time. Time was obviously significant this season (The grandfather clock, Vecna's obsession with time, the UD being frozen in time). The time was simply up, they were too late. Who’s to blame? Mike Wheeler. 

Okay, let me explain, haha.

Throughout the whole series we all know Mike being late, or almost late to things is recurring. Every season in fact. S1: Mike’s campaign was too long, and he tried to get the party to stay past their curfew. S2: Mike was trying to get in contact with El on his walkie, almost making him late to the arcade. S3: Mike was almost late to the cinema because he was with El, making them almost miss the beginning of the movie. S4: Mike was reading El’s letter, almost making him and Nancy late for school... He begins every season with a race against time. Also worth noting that El was the reason for him being late in s2, s3 and s4. Also ALSO worth noting that in season 1, Mike begs his parents to let the party stay longer. The campaign took two weeks to plan! They need to finish it. He has no rush. While in all the other seasons (when he was late because of El), we get a "Shit! Shit! I'm going to be late"-version of Mike. He's stressed out and rushed. Not sure where I'm going with this last point, but I'm sure it means something and that it'll make sense in s5. The point is, Mike gets distracted by El.

Now for the monologue. This time, it's not Mike getting distracted by El. It's him distracting El.

Jason was obviously a key reason for them being too late as well. The scenes switch between Lucas fighting him and Mike’s monologue, comparing the two. Jason destroys Max’s walkman, destroying her connection to Lucas and the world outside her mind. Mike tries to get El to wake up by lifting her out of the freezer, taking off her glasses, Will shoves the radio away. They’re trying to get her out of Max’s mind and into the real world again. But El doesn't want to wake up. She is ready to fight for Max. The boys obviously tried to help because who knows what would’ve happened if they didn’t? They thought El was dying. When Mike begins his monologue, El looked away from Max and up “towards Mike’s voice”. She was listening to him now. Getting distracted. El continuously tells people throughout the series to be quiet when going into her “trance”. People talking distracts her, and she needs to concentrate. Mike also reminds the audience of the importance of the sensory deprivation tank. "It helps her calm down and focus on her powers". With Mike removing all the aids that help her concentrate (the glasses, the tank, the radio), while also talking to her, we can only assume that now, El isn’t only fighting to save Max, but also to stay in Max’s mind, further slowing her down.

At the end of the monologue, Mike reminds her she has to fight, and El’s eyes snap back to Max. That’s when she breaks loose from the vines. Whether you think El believes what Mike is saying and utilizes his loving words for strength or not, it’s still a distraction. I’ve seen a lot of people say that they felt impatient while watching this scene. Like «get on with it! Vecna is literally killing Max RIGHT NOW». And we're probably right to feel impatient! That's probably what the writers were going for! The audience was supposed to feel like that. El lost valuable time because of it. Mike is making them late this time too.

Will is also kinda to blame in this (I don't blame any of them, it's just an unfortunate set of events and they all did what they thought was best, but you get what I mean) Because in a way, Mike is distracted too. Distracted from the truth. That happened when Will lied to him in the van, disguising his own feelings for Mike, using El as a distraction for Mike to focus on instead. Will's guiding Mike towards a lie. He convinced Mike that El was feeling a certain way, which she WAS NOT. (For example: "You make her feel like she’s not a mistake at all, like she’s better for being different." cue Mike and El’s fight where she accuses him of thinking she’s a monster too, like everyone else.) (This also contrasts Will singling Mike out as the only person that doesn't treat him differently in season 2 in that scene with Will and Jonathan.) Mike doesn’t make El feel the way Will portrayed it in the van, though Mike is led to believe that she does.

Therefore, making the feelings that was the foundation for the monologue a lie. Both to Mike and El. It isn’t authentic. This doesn't apply to them. which brings me to my next point. 

 "A paladin swears to uphold justice and righteousness, to stand with the good things of the world against the encroaching darkness, and to hunt the forces of evil wherever they lurk. Different paladins focus on various aspects of the cause of righteousness (honesty=righteousness and honor for Mike), but all are bound by the oaths (promises, “friends don’t lie”) that grant them power to do their sacred work. Oaths, honor, and rigid rules define a paladin's everyday actions. Breaking these oaths (by lying) means their deity will revoke their powers."

This is why his monologue didn’t work. It was a lie (And Mike knowingly or unknowingly portrayed that lie to El). Without his honesty, Mike the paladin loses his powers. He couldn’t save them. 

Will’s selfless attempt to save their relationship sadly turned out to be counter-productive in every way, hindering all of them from seeing the truth. Will was also the one that told Mike not to stop, when in reality, maybe stopping and letting El be was exactly what he should've done. He's the heart. But he's Will's heart. That's what Will would've wanted Mike to do, seeing as Mike has saved him/snapped him out of his episodes multiple times by speaking to him: Of course Will thinks that's the right thing to do! Mike's doing what Will would've needed, not El.

It adds a new layer to El being upset with Mike in the cabin by the end of s4, because it isn't as simple as "she knows Mike is lying" or "She's just upset because they lost". She's upset because once again Mike doesn't trust that she knows her own limits (This being a huge reason for conflict in s3 between El/Mike/Max.) Mike worries because he cares of course, but it isn't what El needs ("Mike, I need you to trust me.") When Mike tries to help her, she fails. But she "redeems herself" when she's making her own decision, without outside influences other than love for her friends. She pushes her limits further than ever before, bringing Max back to life, trusting herself and her powers, without Mike knowing.

Mike is the heart, yes. The problem was - the heart was in the wrong place. They all got it wrong this time. They got confused and misunderstood each other. That’s why they lost. In the next season, I believe Mike and El are going to realize that they’ve both been focusing on the wrong things, and that is how they’re going to win. Still using love as their weapon - just a different kind of love that’s not distracting them from what they really need, not slowing them down. El coming fully into her own, reaching her full potential and using her powers the way she knows best, with the support of her loved ones making her stronger - not under the influence of Mike trying to stop her out of worry. And Mike’s heart being in the right place. With Will. 

I've seen other people talk about this next part, but I'm adding it in because it further proves the point.

Another indication that proves to me that at least SOME of the monologue is a blatant lie is the Romeo and Juliet parallel, with the word "Montague" spelled out behind Mike, and the "love at first sight"-refrence. "I knew right then and there, in that moment, that I loved you." That. is. a. lie. and there's just no going around it. Romeo and Juliet's romance wasn't actually real love, just infatuation. The Duffers also said they don't believe in love at first sight. For them to use that trope wouldn't just be wierd and cliché, but also contradicts everything we were shown in season 1. Are we just supposed to believe that Mike loved her, decpite them showing us otherwise?

More on the Romeo and Juliet thing in this post.

Conclusion: The Duffers are geniuses I’m never getting over this show.

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[byler-alarmist]

Just saw an "aspiring screenwriter" on this hellsite post the dumbest, shittiest ending that they think would be "perfect" for S5. Of course it's Will being reminded by Mike that they are best friends and Will beautifully, nobly sacrificing himself to the Upside Down for the good of all.

All I can say is......don't quit your day job, kid

#shit takes #maybe don't do that #maybe don't pull a combo slowburn rejection and bury your gays #maybe don't even think about becoming a screenwriter if you have zero media literacy #the GA is silly #they are not killing will to close out the series #you absolute walnut #byler tumblr #st tumblr #byler #will byers #stranger things #s5 predictions #st5 predictions

[considermeadream12]

And if I said that S1-Will survived the Upside-Down because S5-Will travelled back in time to help him? Then what? Then what?!?

#I just came to this conclusion and will hold on to this theory with my dear life #I'm convinced he will get his Back to the Future moments #S5 predictions #Stranger things #Stranger things theory #William byers #Byler #byler theory

[trashmouth-richie]

i need everyone who wears a foil hat for s5 theories to gather around, sissy zig has a story to tell (a theory) (i’m so delusional pls just humor me)

as we have all seen, there is more than likely a time jump in s5. BUT WHEN is it taking place? in episode 1? are they filming out of sequence? (not uncommon) ALTHOUGH Cara Buono (Karen Wheeler) gave a small “interview” if you will— saying they were filming episode two.

Anyway,

ross duffer shared this on instagram.

A Wrinkle In Time. and a simple wikipedia search will show that:

travel through space and time — intruded into several worlds. and don’t get me started on the rescue part.

now.

here is some general background information that we already know about Henry Creel:

has psychokinetic abilities

killed his mother and sister

was sent to Hawkins Lab with Brenner

his dad was accused of the murders

But. What happened before this?

According to the play, Stranger Things: The First Shadow

with this remember that the Upside Down was stuck in 1983, the day Will Byers went missing.

Along with the grandfather clock being a pretty key item in S4, is it safe to assume that Vecna can control/manipulate time?

Now, let’s look at the Kas Theory (my favorite)

Above it states that Kas served under Vecna for years, so if the upside down is stuck in 1983, and Eddie was never taken from there.. but S4 ended in 1986, by means of the upside down.. Kas could have been “serving” his time with Vecna for years by the time they entered Hawkins. (possibly idk)

or

If the time jump is to 1989, Vecna and Kas could be lying in wait, preparing to make their second comeback. Will himself said Vecna was weak, and he would probably need time to build his undead army.

BACK TO, A Wrinkle In Time.

!!!

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[shadowpeachyuri]

in my ideal world s5 will have more shots of ppl sitting on that damn cliff. swk and mk. mk and macaque. swk and macaque. mk and mei. pigsy and mk. all 3 monkeys. sandy and mo. literally anyone by themselves. i don’t care at all i just need it to happen

#s5 predictions

[yeahireallydo]

we’re all in agreement that something very bad is going to happen to mike's arm in s5, right? that this was foreshadowing?

we’ve all said this and seen this? cool cool cool

#this moment is objectively so funny though #will getting way too excited to deal damage #mike just staring at him #but more importantly #7 points of damage #7!!! #coincidence i think not #byler #s5 predictions

[bylertruther]

if brenner was always making eleven look for henry... and henry was tracking will both in the rightside up and again from the upside down... and she was inexplicably able to recognize will when she saw him in a photo at mike’s house, knew where he was hiding, and felt it was her duty to spend the entire rest of the season helping everyone to rescue him... and he was able to see and interact with her in the void when only people with powers have done so... and the scientists knew to check the byers’ shed after will went missing... and they were then able to construct a fake body with his exact clothes, measurements, and likeness to the point where his own brother and everyone but joyce thought it was real... and we saw eleven take out henry’s soteria but we never saw what happened to it afterward... and henry mentions that the soteria is what allows brenner to track him... and brenner let hopper and joyce go into the upside down after will had been taken to the library because they thought he was already dead/beyond saving... and will is the one and only victim of henry’s whose kidnapping and possession was entirely and completely different... will is the one human being that vecna hasn’t wanted to hurt (including eleven, because he wanted to kill her after she turned him down) and that he instead has sought more than once... and even though max feels vecna in season four she never feels it in her body but will, again, is the only victim that’s always touching and reacting in that same spot on his neck... the same spot where henry had his soteria implanted... and we know that will canonically has powers of some sort because he was able to call joyce in season one, saw her letters on the wall and where she was in the house even though that obviously happened after he went missing / the time that the upside down is frozen on, had true sight + his psychic connection to henry before he was possessed in season two, and likely shaped the upside down to look like hawkins as is suggested by the fact that it’s stuck on the date he went missing and the fact that henry has been residing there this entire time but wasn’t able to change it himself despite claiming that he wants to reshape the world... i’m just saying... the math is 100% mathing right now.

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[mikeslawyer]

s5 the party saying “we’re only fourteen for gods sake” and will quietly saying “i’m fifteen” and mikes eyes widening as he realises

#byler #byler endgame #mike wheeler #byler is canon #mike x will #stranger things #will x mike #will byers #byler headcanon #s5 predictions #the party

[itswhatyougive]

Once it's revealed that Steve likes more than just boobies in S5, you'll probably have to mute me since I will never, ever shut up about it

#bi steve harrington #bisexual steve harrington #st5 predictions #s5 predictions #stranger things #steve harrington theory #steve harrington thoughts #steve harrington stranger things #steddie tumblr #steddie fandom #steddie tag

[robbyykeene]

In season 5 Tory murders every single man in the valley and then tracks down Aisha and they share the most passionate, tender kiss the history of the world. And then everyone claps

#its real i was there #cobra kai #s5 predictions #ck predictions #torisha

[thecelestialsyzygy]

I've got a good feeling about S5 filming era when it arrives. I can see a lot of hype starting up again and I've got a good feeling about byler content during this time idk just a lil feeling im having

#byler #byler tumblr #s5 predictions

[byler-com]

Watching s4 with my dad & we just finished episode 5, he telling me all his theories:

He thinks Will is important somehow, he wonders why / how Will survived the upside down but others didn’t, and he starts wonder; who the hell is Vecna and how did he get to the upside down? What does he have to do with Victor Creel? How is the Hawkins lab tied into this?

THEN he gasps and he’s like “I GOT IT!!”

And he proceeds to tell me that he thinks one of the kids from the lab was sent into the upside down and became vecna, because vecna makes people see things like Kali did in s2 and he has supernatural powers.

HES LITERALLY SPOT ON!? HOW? WHAT?

#I need him to make predictions for s5 #literally what is this man on #stranger things #vecna #vecna stranger things #001 #henry creel #byler #< target audience #s5 predictions #upside down #stranger things 4 #stranger things 5

[byler-alarmist]

Willel working together in S5

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[runninguplenorahills]

I don’t think we have to worry about s5 not being set in autumn/winter because even if it’s fucking july in the show the ud will probably make it seem like winter anyway. Like, the clouds blocking the sun, Holly calling the spores “snow” and the fact that it’s cold in the ud? Hawkins’s gonna be stuck in a never ending winter next season for sure.

#lenora’s random st thoughts #stranger things #s5 predictions

[shadowpeachyuri]

in my ideal world nuwa would be like misako from ninjago. a decent person, an absolutely shit mother, cool as fuck, idk i barely remember her bc its been too long since i watched any ninjago seasons with misako in them this is just the impression i have of her. and i want nuwa to have that kind of deal.

#its starting to get late i dont have to make sense anymore #s5 predictions