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abybweisse · 2 years

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Las leyes de la Iglesia cambiaron para que las personas que se suicidaron no fueran al Infierno ( yo no sé en qué año), así que los Gream Reapers solo tiene que esperar hasta que el Vaticano cambié la ley. Entonces, todos las parcas son cristianas. Pregunta para Undertaker,¿ tú crees que Victoria se irá al Infierno?¿Crees que Claudia está en el Infierno?. Undertaker, lo siento, pero tus acciones dicen que te vas a ir al Infierno, pero estarás con Claudia, así que vale la pena.

This one was harder for me to catch, but here’s the translation:

Q: Church laws changed so that people who committed suicide didn't go to Hell (I don't know what year), so the Gr[i]m Reapers just have to wait until the Vatican changed the law. So all the Grim Reapers are Christian. Question for Undertaker, do you think Victoria will go to Hell? Do you think Claudia is in Hell? Undertaker, I'm sorry, but your actions say you're going to Hell, but you'll be with Claudia, so it's worth it.

Do beliefs make the reaper?

A: You are making a huge assumption about grim reapers always being Christians. Numerous cultures have folklore about grim reapers that predate the invasion (because it’s invasion) of Christianity. In the Kuroverse, becoming a grim reaper is the punishment/chance of salvation for suicide, but is that regardless of one’s personal religious beliefs? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sascha talks about suicide being the punishable act but says nothing about religion. Sebastian says “god of this world” but doesn’t specify the religion. Our earl wonders how “god” (the statue in the church) can peacefully smile upon heinous acts of abuse and rape. I mean, how can demons be summoned inside a church? Even abandoned churches are supposed to be on hallowed ground. This could be one of those situations where “the god of this world” isn’t the benevolent, loving entity being marketed to us in the New Testament. The god of the Old Testament is full of wrath and jealousy. To the Jews (and some other cultures), the only “hell” is on Earth, in the living human realm. But Christians aren’t the only ones with a concept of a physical Hell, with a realm of its own, either.

In the Kuroverse, it could be that the realm of the Afterlife has several sections, like Heaven, Hell, Limbo, an Underworld (that isn’t good or bad), and so on. The god of the Kuroverse might accept various forms of worship, so then the Afterlife might accommodate various beliefs, as well. You might get what you get, specifically based on your beliefs and how closely you followed the tenets of your beliefs. I’d say the majority of reapers are Christians who committed suicide, but there might be others who became reapers for other reasons, based upon their beliefs and where they had once lived as humans.

I’m not sure what gets you a one-way trip to Hell or a trip to Heaven, let alone how many versions of Heaven and Hell there are supposed to be. The reaper realm sounds like a Limbo of sorts, where you have a chance to right your wrongs, giving you a chance of salvation before you get plunged into the pits of Hell. More like it’s one of myriad Limbos, with each one “catering” to a particular type of wrong that needs to be righted.

So, I have no idea where Victoria will go and no idea where Claudia/Cloudia went, since we really don’t know all the criteria. Nor do we know all of their potential sins.

I’d hate to think Undertaker would end up in Hell and find out that’s where Claudia/Cloudia ended up, too. If they were both there, do you think they would actually be allowed to enjoy each other’s company? I doubt it. 🤔

I’m hoping Undertaker finds “salvation” (for whatever it’s worth) before his reaper existence ends. He’s got a chance, despite deserting his post. Even despite all he’s done since then! Again, this really depends on the true criteria, and Yana-san has so far kept that a secret. We know what certain cultures expect, but we don’t know the absolutes of their universe.

We need more information. But it doesn’t make sense to send Christian-based suicide-created reapers to collect the souls of individuals who don’t believe in Christ, nor does it make much sense to turn suicides into reapers if they were raised without the idea that suicide is a sin. And we saw Grelle collect the soul of Agni, a devout Hindu who also treats Soma as a personal god. I like to think of the truth about reapers, angels, demons, and gods as existing a bit outside any human concept of religion. Or it encompasses all religions and beyond. Humans are not expected to comprehend the true natures of these supernatural or preternatural beings. They are unknowable to mere mortals. And we don’t know their endgames, we just know what we’ve been taught to believe… which largely depends on where we grew up.

Which might be the true importance of reapers having different branches — the importance of international borders — and why it bothers William so much that they have to travel across those borders to deal with Undertaker.

ETA: Yana-san once said that she sees demons as inter-dimensional beings from another world, like aliens. And the xenomorph in ch5 was a nod to that. Angels could be something similar, and the gods could be another alien race. Only Yana-san knows… for now.

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