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avidoro · 3 years

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Edit: Guess I’ll put this in here since everyone is just glossing it over to look for the negative parts. I never said you couldn’t ship SessRin. I never said I was anti-SessRin. I know I tagged it as such, but it isn’t because of my opinion. I have friends who ship SessRin. I love those friends. What I mean by these statements is that the community in general is toxic because of the people in it who have caused problems for others. Like, for example, the person who felt the need to jump me about my personal ship because it wasn’t with Rin when I wasn’t even talking about a ship. Or the people who harassed the English voice cast to the point that even they were calling the SessRin community toxic. Or the people who are fighting to have any Sesshoumaru shipping blog deleted if Rin isn’t involved. I am capable of peacefully sharing Sesshoumaru with other shippers if they could be civilized. But since they aren’t, then I feel like I have the right to speak my mind. And those of you who feel the need to fight me about it are just proving my point because you’re so worked up that anyone could have a different opinion that you absolutely have to argue. That being said, I also stated that I would never have said a word about this if it weren’t for the fact that Rin is underage in Yashahime. Sunrise is trying to lie about how much time passed. They clearly didn’t do their own math. And while I’m fine with SessRin shippers who ship her as an adult, I will not tolerate the people who justify her being underage in Yashahime. Also to those trying to argue about Yashahime being canon, I would love to provide the evidence to the statement I saw, but it’s gotten lost in the sea of people arguing about the show being canon. It was something along the lines of her saying the story wasn’t canon or wasn’t hers but the three girls were and that she was washing her hands of InuYasha and other’s could do what they wanted with it. Which kind of implies it’s not canon but she doesn’t care. If I find it again I will definitely share it. But if Rumiko steps up and actually says the show is canon, then I’ll accept it as canon. But that doesn’t mean I’m okay with Rin being underage. But go ahead and continue to comment with your ridiculous arguments. New edit: @tiny-foots It’s not what I saw but I was provided this where Rumiko stated InuYasha was complete within herself meaning the story was done. She left it up to Mr. Sumisawa to write. Take it as you will, but I see that as her giving the okay for a fanfic to be officiated. But I don’t see it as canon. I suppose that can be left up to interpretation. But my personal belief is that it’s not canon. Even before all this I never even saw the original anime as canon.

I am going to start off by saying that I always said I would never be anti-ship. But if this is what it's come to then I am completely against what is happening right now.

Let's just pretend my OTP isn't actually my OTP right now. What I ship has nothing to do with this. In fact I am a multi-shipper, so don't even think about that. This is beyond more than my personal shipping opinions. InuYasha was my comfort series during a very rough time and Sesshoumaru is my favorite character because of his massive character development and redemption arc. He is an astounding character.

The fact that Sunrise has "officially" (I refuse to say canon because it's not canon. Rumiko said so. Fight me!) paired him with Rin is the most disturbing and disgusting thing they could have possibly done. Again, I am not against people who do ship them. If that's what they enjoy then that's fine.

HOWEVER!

The SessRin community is toxic AF! They have been for a long time and now they've been given a reason to really be horrible people. And that's only one reason why I'm disgusted by this entire thing. And mind you, since Yashahime isn't canon anyway, I wouldn't have cared as much if they hadn't done it the way they had. Let me break this down for you. I'm going to list why SessRin is unhealthy, toxic, and morally wrong and I'll even list some of the justifying arguments shippers have tried to use to support it and explain why they're wrong too.

Pairing Sesshoumaru with Rin destroyed his character development and redemption.

Sesshoumaru's father had a strong desire to see his son learn compassion. Toward everyone! Humans and youkai alike. He learned that lesson through both a human and a youkai. Rin and Kagura. These were the characters who were meant to teach him to be compassionate toward others. By pairing him with Rin you have taken away that compassion that he learned. It's like sticking a giant middle finger up to all the humans he was supposed to learn to respect and say he only tolerates Rin and no one else. There goes his redemption! Way to go, Sunrise!

SessRin was never meant to become a thing.

Rumiko went out of her way to create a bond between Kagura and Sesshoumaru as well as Kohaku and Rin. It's clear who we were meant to ship them with. These characters were placed as a barrier between Rin and Sesshoumaru to avoid an improper ship. SessKagu is the ONLY canon Sesshoumaru ship.

No child in their right mind grows up to fall in love with the man who raised them from childhood.

And if they do then they need to seek counseling because that's not healthy. A normal child would grow up to view that man as her father.

And how about these lame and unjustifiable arguments that SessRinners are throwing out.

"He waited until she was an adult! She's 18!"

Do some research. She is not 18! Look at the the facts that have been compiled. She is 15 MAX. She's underage!

"This was normal back then!"

No it was not! Again, do your research! Nobility groomed children to be wives, yes, but it wasn't normal. Even then the girl wasn't bedded until she was an adult. Also, would you portray a black person, in media, as an abused slave in 1800s America by your story's "good guy" and say it's okay because it was normal back then? I don't think so!

"They were meant to be together! It was a given! It was clear!"

Again, no it wasn't! Kagura was placed in the story for this purpose! She was in love with Sesshoumaru and he was falling in love with her. They are the ONLY canon Sess ship!

"Well, you're forgetting about the original series being about a 15-year-old girl getting with a 50+ year old man!"

There are so many reasons why this is an illogical statement. - InuYasha and Kagome met when they were mentally the same age. Sess and Rin met with he was mentally a young adult and she was EIGHT! - Kagome and InuYasha didn't have an official relationship until she returned from her time after three years... WHEN SHE WAS 18! - Every moment in the original story where Kagome was in an inappropriate situation she got mad and did something about it! She didn't just giggle and let the men around her ogle or touch her! - And my personal opinion, I also believe InuYasha and Kagome’s relationship was toxic anyway, so don’t try to hold that one over me. There’s a reason I’m a multi-shipper.

And one of my favorites, even from pre-Yashahime

"NO ONE is shipping child Rin with Sesshoumaru!"

Yeah? Go do a Google image search, you sickos. Edited to include this little treasure in the comments:

Who’s putting words in her mouth? She stated, in an interview plain as day, that Yashahime was not canon! She didn’t write it. An official publication does not canon make! Not to mention “the woman who changed him” is such an incredibly vague statement. If it was meant to be Rin, she’d have just said Rin. As mentioned before, she was very adamant about pushing the Kagura x Sesshoumaru ship. And Kagura definitely changed him. Was it not his compassion toward her specifically that regained his arm and gave him a sword? I’m pretty sure “the woman who changed him” was meant to be a vague statement because the canonical intention was just to leave it open to interpretation and is probably meant to be some random village woman who bonded with Sesshoumaru and ultimately completed his change.

And if, by chance, she did mean Rin, she didn’t say it was canon. Just that she was his wife meaning that is who Sunrise set as his wife in the show. Think about it? She was answering the question of “who had his children in Yashahime.” If she meant Rin, she was avoiding spoilers and giving a hint to who Sunrise chose as his wife. That’s not saying she would have picked Rin, herself. She didn’t write it. So it seems to me that you are the one putting words in her mouth.

Now tell me, if your best friend from grade school who was adopted told you when she was a teen or even an adult, "My dad's hot. We decided to sleep together." would you not find that disturbing? That's SessRin right now.

Also:

HANYOU NO YASHAHIME IS NOT CANON! THIS IS PER RUMIKO TAKAHASHI HERSELF! DO NOT TRY TO JUSTIFY THAT SESSRIN IS CANON NOW BECAUSE IT ISN'T! IT'S JUST AN OVERGLORIFIED AND POORLY WRITTEN FANFICTION!

ONLY THE MANGA IS CANON! OG SESSHOUMARU IS THE ONLY SESSHOUMARU!! That being said, I still say if you do happen to be a SessRin shipper, then you do you. Enjoy what you want. But what is happening right now does not give you a right to justify any toxic behavior that your community is expressing. Again, I wouldn’t even be mad if Sunrise hadn’t portrayed Rin as still being underage. I won’t stand to see people justify this!

#InuYasha #Yashahime #Anti Yashahime #AntiYashahime #Sesshoumaru #Sesshomaru #pedomaru #loliconmaru #antisessrin #Anti sessrin #Yashahime is not canon #anti sunrise #sessrin is toxic #sessrin is unhealthy #grooming is toxic #I would sooner ship Sesshoumaru with an actual dog than I would with Rin #Sesshoumaru is Rin's father

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its-tie-kir-ra · 3 years

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you said in your SessRin video that you "dabbled" in SessRin? May I ask what does that mean or what your personal unfiltered opinions are about the ship?

I never saw it as parental like you did but i got the impression from the way you talked about it is that you still see it as Sesshomaru has power over Rin. How did you see the relationship then?

I actually had to go rewatch the video to see what I said, lol.

OKKKKKK strap yourself in. It's...it's... complicated.

So when I said 'dabbled' I mostly meant that when I read a fic about Inukag where Rin was Sesshoumaru's partner I didn't mind it. I also don't seek out Sesshomaru fics when I do read Inuyasha fanfiction (which isn't that often), because I don't find his character particularly interesting and I only became slightly interested in Sess x Kagura recently. I can only remember one SessRin fic that was mainly SessRin that I enjoyed. Like I just couldn't get into it? I actually went and read some SessRin fics to get a sense of how shippers saw the pairing when it became canon and most of them just made me feel so uncomfortable?

Rin never has the same personality (why would she, because again, she would've changed so much from the time she was 8 until she was 18) and Sesshomaru just turns into this sappy weirdo that is so far from canon that it's so obviously written by a person who thinks that Sesshomaru is a mushball who spouts poetry under all that pride, when what he really is is an awkward, feelings-constipated weirdo under all that pride. Or that's just my interpretation of the character, at least. (I AM NOT A SESSHOMARU EXPERT, DO NOT COME FOR ME).

Crack shipping (and I'd argue that SessRin was a crack ship until 6 months ago, fight me) is just not for me. I personally need to have a really good canon basis to ship a pairing, for a couple reasons, but mostly I need a character dynamic to interest me at the very least in canon and feel like the door is open for it to 'potentially' happen in canon (and by potentially I really just mean that I can trick myself into believing that it actually will happen). Like it needs to on some level MAKE SENSE that they end up together in canon. (And as much as Sesshomaru changes his mind about humans, for the life of me I cannot picture him marrying one, regardless of who they are. Having casual sex, maybe, not marriage. I also do like the idea of him being asexual.)

A good example of a ship that I'm not super invested into but I could see the appeal to explore is Ayame X Koga. Don't get me wrong, I am still very anti Koga, I think he's an ass in canon, but the relationship potential between him and Ayame interest me soooooo much. I mean, come on. Arrange marriage, one a rule breaker and the other a rule follower, politics, being in love with someone who doesn't love you back, sacrifice for your people, there's so much there. We only saw a few scenes of their relationship in the show (yes, Ayame is an anime only character, I'm aware) but it was enough to intrigue me, especially after Ayame expressed very little interest in Koga at their second meeting. And as a result, they interested me enough to want to explore them more, and I could wind up shipping them if I did. 👀

I never felt that with SessRin. While they start at an interesting base for a romantic relationship in theory, the dynamic never interested me enough to go 'hm, well, maybe if this happens then this will happen! Or look at the parrarels between them there! Or wow, they find each other interesting, what if?!" I also never felt the need to inject romance into it. Their relationship was interesting enough without romance; I enjoyed their dynamic how it was presented in the original. I was satisfied with it. Which is really the primary reason I don't read a lot of Inuyasha fanfiction because I was statisfied with where they left off with Inuyasha, while I have about 50+ GOT fanfics open on my phone.

That doesn't mean to say that couldn't potentially change or that I couldn't ship SessRin. As a writer of original fiction myself, my opinion will always be if the writer can make it work and they want to do it, they should do it, with very few exceptions. SessRin could theoretically be written into a beautiful, satisfying love story that would have me all over it. There was one SessRin fic I thought did this really well, but I just don't think Yashahime was capable of doing that because it would've been a story that required complete dedication to Rin and Sesshomaru as characters. The fic I'm talking about was a SLOOOOOOOOOW burn that wasn't explicit in the least and was very character driven and focused exclusively on Sesshomaru and Rin and their changing feelings. They don't do that in Yashahime; they can't because the show itself isn't about SessRin. In fact, Im suspicious of how they do it in Yashahime. Lemme grab my tinfoil hat.

The way it's presented now, Sunrise gave the writers just enough wiggle room that they could write themselves out of this if they wanted to (have creepy-cant-remember-his-name-hes-basic-wait-is-it-Riku? tell the story to the audience, neither Towa nor Setsuna really look all that much like Rin, etc). Which almost makes me think that they were testing audiences reactions to see what they said before commiting to it fully. Idk, we'll have to see have happens in season 2.

In terms of how I saw their relationship, I mean, I saw it as kind of '19 year old disinterested neighbour who helped the neightbour's child out of a tree against his better judgement and now said child won't leave him alone and oh fuck she's being bullied better actually take care of her and oh fuck I actually enjoy her now' but that's just me.

And yes, there is a power imbalance. Because he is (demon equivalence) 10+ years older than her. Like am I the only one who remembers being 8 and thinking that 13 year olds were the shit? Like that's what little kids do, they idolize and look up to people who are even just a little bit older than them. If older kids don't have power over littler kids, the entire industry of babysitting will collapse. So yes, Sesshomaru has power over Rin when she is 8.

The one argument I see all the time that proves he doesn't have power over her is that 'she can leave anytime she wants'. OK. But she's 8, and Sesshomaru is the first person to provide her with some semblance of welcome since her family was killed. She's not gonna think of going anywhere while Sesshomaru is doing that for her. Any 8 year old in that situation would have the same answer. And even so, WHERE WOULD SHE GO? Rin has no money, no family, no friends, no connections. The only people interested in her welfare are Sesshomaru, Jaken, and eventually the Inugang.

It's like if you and me were dropped into a foreign country and I'm the one who understands the language and the culture and the currency and you have nowhere else to go anyway because nobody wants you and I'm telling you things like 'you can leave whenever you want to!' like maybe that's a bad example, but that's what I hear when people say she can leave whenever she wants to. 1) why would she think of that and 2) WHERE WOULD SHE GO?

And even so at the end of the series when Rin lives with Kaede, she doesn't do it because she wants to, she does it because Sesshomaru told her to stay there. So...Rin only left him when he told her to. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't know, I hope that gives you a better understanding of how I feel about the pairing. No judgement of anybody who ships it! I have some ships that are a bit on the weirder side too, we all do, lmao. I'm glad your ship became canon, and I hope that next season Sunrise actually attempts to give people more than 88 seconds. #imstillsalty #isaidwhatisaid

(unless you're telling me to kill myself in my askbox or on my channel, lmao, then, yes, all the judgement)

#sunrise #ask #anonymous #yashahime #hanyo no yashahime #anti sessrin #anti sesshomaru #anti rinsess #anti hanyo no yashahime #sesshomaru #rin #inuyasha

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