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Drunk Book Club: Aprilynne Pike's Wings
Special thanks to Jester for commissioning this episode! You can find out more about commissions on our Patreon.
Hmm, a 2000s-era supernatural love triangle YA novel by a Utah-raised author with a lot of extremely unfortunate implications baked into the lore….this all sounds familiar, but we can’t put our finger on it. Maybe it’s just Pike specifically name-dropping Stephanie Meyer all over the place. If only this protagonist had as much going on internally as Bella Swan.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of disordered eating and fatphobia, ableism, racism, anti-vax rhetoric/alternate medicine, eugenics, body horror, sexual harassment, and misogyny
Alex’s YA Recs
0:30 Commission!
2:00 Content Warnings
5:00 Drink Recipe
8:00 Stealth Mormonism
11:00 Our Stunning Perfect Heroine
18:00 Mmm, Gender Politics
23:00 Missing Body Horror
27:00 The Bad Boy One
32:00 Fairy Biology and Cosmology
41:00 Holy Eugenics Batman
47:00 A Climax Allegedly Ensues
56:00 The Shadow of Homeopathy
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i don’t LIKE watching movies just for an actor who plays a secondary role but i have to. it’s my job
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PRIDE MONTH: Itty Bitty Titty Committee - Bush-Era Activism
Our summer celebration of Pride comes to a close (with many apologies for the delay) on a return to a familiar face: Jamie Babbit, best known for the landmark lesbian film BUT I’M A CHEERLEADER. Today we look at her 2007 follow-up, its deliberate attempts to introduce young viewers to the world of queer activism, and how well it achieves those goals. Also, the fact that you’ve probably never heard of it.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of misogyny, body-shaming, fatphobia, homophobia and gaybashing, transphobia, racism, infidelity, age-gap relationships, and war crimes.
RAFIKI
OF LOVE AND LAW
1:00 Wolfe Media
10:00 “Clits in Action”
17:00 Generational Activism Divide
32:00 The Act Three Problem
39:00 The Ghost in the Film
44:00 Theory vs Accessibility
49:00 Bonus Recs
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PRIDE MONTH: Nowhere - Gregg Araki and New Queer Cinema
Listen, this is a queer podcast 365 days a year. Pride Month won’t be stopped by a little thing like June being over. It’s time for the 90s, and the film its director describes as “an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 on acid.”
On the board for this episode: the difference between “queer representation” and “queer cinema,” the queer reclaiming of mainstream genre work, and the pros and cons of making intensely of-the-moment art.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of suicide, racism, child sexual abuse, homophobia+biphobia, religiosity, gore/animal death and body horror
Variety Interview
Black Is, Black Ain’t
Disclosure
Poison
1:00 Intro to Araki + New Queer Cinema
12:00 24 Hours of “Nowhere”
14:00 Ethics and Young Actors
17:00 The Teen Soap Gang
22:00 Alien Invasion
26:00 At the Party
32:00 Nihilism and Vulnerability
37:00 Pop Culture Time Capsule
40:00 Fuck Harmony Korine Corner
45:00 Queer Cinema Recs
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PRIDE MONTH: Female Trouble - John Waters and the Art of Filth
It’s time at last to spotlight the patron saint of this podcast, the pope of filth himself: John Waters. While he’s better known for Pink Flamingos, Female Trouble is the most potent and maybe the best of his 1970s work, a razor-sharp satire of heteronormative culture that can only flourish because it comes from such a tight team of collaborating artists and weirdos.
But it’s also worth asking: what happens when an outsider artist becomes a public figure? What does that new element of privilege do to their art and how they relate to the marginalized community they come from?
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of sexual assault, incest, homophobia, transphobia, child abuse (physical/emotional/sexual), cults, and ableism
I Am Divine (Documentary; also on Netflix)
Female Trouble Theme
Shoes
John Waters Interview (2015)
John Waters Interview (2018)
1:00 John Waters and Filth
9:00 Divine and Gender
11:30 Content Warnings
13:00 The Life and Times of Dawn Davenport
26:00 Queer Satire
31:00 Modern Waters and Serial Mom
38:00 Should You Watch This
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PRIDE MONTH: Bride Of Frankenstein - James Whale, Openly Gay Director
Happy Pride Month, listeners! It’s time for our annual four-episode journey through the history of queer film, and this year we’ll be looking in particular at camp and outsider cinema.
While Bride might be quite famous, it’s also a perfect starting place for our discussion: director James Whale’s camp masterpiece, which those who knew him spent years after his tragic death denying as a queer work (possibly, we suspect, because they feared it would be pigeonholed as “gay art” rather than cinema for everyone). Which leads to an even thornier question….how are queer artists pushed to define their audience?
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of racism, sexual assault, homophobia, and suicide.
The Hollywood Blacklist (The Code etc)
“Bela and Boris” Miniseries
1:00 Pride Intro
2:30 The Code Era Returns
10:00 A MORAL Sequel, Dear Viewer
16:00 That’s Pretty Gay, Bro
29:00 Craving for Legitimacy
41:00 Listener Question
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Magic Mike - Use Abs to Market Toxic Masculinity Movie, ???, Profit
The sequel’s still better.
We revisit the weird double image of Magic Mike, a “quiet lives of desperation” dance movie that was marketed almost solely based on its five or six minutes of male strip revues. Which both sells the subtler moments of the script short and disguises the unmasked contempt that the film overall has for women. It’s…well, listen. There’s a reason we’re covering it here.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of toxic masculinity, misogyny, sexual assault, racism, whorephobia, classism, biphobia, and Matthew McConaughey
1:00 Production Info
12:00 Class in 2012
15:00 About That Misogyny
25:00 SHAME SPIRAL feat. Biphobia
32:00 Toxic Masculinity Central
37:00 The Alleged Happy Ending
47:00 Should You Watch This
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Go Crows! The Internet’s Only Smallville Podcast – Season 2, Episodes 1-4
We’re back, and not a moment too soon; there’s a twister in Kansas! As season two kicks off Clark gets boner powers and Pete finally gets a role in the plot, while Dr. Hamilton continues to mosey through his episodes being both inscrutable and delightful. Oh, and Lionel is blind now. It’s handled as tactfully as you’d imagine.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of sexual assault, rape culture, misogyny, ableism, toxic masculinity, racism, and nationalism.
2:00 Bite-Sized Summaries
6:30 Monsters of the Week
31:00 Heart of the Show
34:00 And That’s Terrible
42:00 The Jukebox
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Showgirls - Satire Requires Clarity of Purpose
Today we were set a daunting challenge: find something that hasn’t yet been said about infamous cinematic trainwreck Showgirls. As the modern conversation swings from “reclaimed camp” to “was it in fact Good Actually all along” following the release of the documentary YOU DON’T NOMI, it felt like time to wade into those claims. What the hell was Showigirls trying to do, anyway?
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of racism, ableism, homophobia, misogyny, rape culture, sexual assault, whorephobia, fatphobia, drug use, ageism, and auteur bullshit.
Showgirls! The Musical!
You Don’t Nomi
0:30 Commission Stuff
3:00 Content Warnings
5:00 In Summary
18:30 Some Notes on Camp
24:00 Eszterhas v Verhoeven
29:00 A Second Bite at Flashdance
40:00 Versayce (The Characterization Problem)
48:00 Showgirl History
52:00 Failed Satire
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Return To Oz - Tracing a Beloved Terror from Book to Film
For our 100th mainline episode, we decided to look in on one of Dorothy’s childhood favorites, a cult hit that inspires a mix of terror and deeply held affection in all who remember it. And since Dorothy is also a megafan of Baum’s books, it also provided a chance to talk about how the Oz series has been adapted over the years. Thanks for 100 episodes, listeners, and here’s to 100 more.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, medical horror, body horror, the House of Mouse’s Bullshit
1:00 Showing Our Age
5:00 Production Notes
15:00 From Book to Film
41:00 Many Adaptations
46:00 100 Episodes
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Drunk Book Club: Dennis Cooper's FRISK
Special thanks to Anile for commissioning this episode! You can find out more about commissions on our Patreon.
This month we stretch our muscles by getting into some ~literary fiction~! More precisely, the work of Dennis Cooper, a big name in queer outsider art who influenced previous DBC alumni Billy Martin (aka Poppy Z Brite) and Chuck Palahniuk and whose published alongside inevitable future subject Brett Easton Ellis.
FRISK, the story of a dude who has a lot of sex and even more fantasies about violently murdering his partners, is considered his most intimidating work so….let’s plunge right into that deep end! Pack a bag, because we did a LOT of extra reading for this one. Also, all the content warnings. My God, all of them.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of sexual assault, pedophilia, coprophagia, water sports, snuff, necrophilia, graphic descriptions of gore/dismemberment, racism, queerphobia, transphobia, grooming, ageism, and misogyny.
The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction
The JT Leroy Scam
William S Burroughs’ Nike Commercial
Cooper’s Formalism and The Sluts
Interview w/ Cooper’s Biographer
Article BY Cooper’s Biographer
Personal Relationships in Cooper’s Writing (Salon)
On Cooper’s Mother (LA Times)
BOMB Magazine Interview
Not Like Other Gays (Honcho Magazine)
1:00 Content Warnings
4:00 Drinks
9:00 A Helpful Timeline
14:00 OH Shit, it’s the Frankfurt School
26:00 Sexual, Not Erotic
30:00 The Sad-But-Not Ballad of Dennis Cooper
42:00 “In Your Lane” vs “Blinkers On”
57:00 Interview Diving
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Boku no Sexual Harassment - 90s Corn Yaoi
Yes, the actual name of this anime is either "My Sexual Harassment" or "Boku no Sekuhara," but we wanted our title to briefly capture the extremely mangled naming convention from the height of this title's memetic fame. Because anime fandom is, has always been, and will always be an embarrassment. We're looking at you, "Boku no Hero" people.
For this year's horny Valentine special, we dove into the infamous yaoi OVA and how its creation in the 90s and popular English-language distribution in the 00s ended up having a ripple effect on how Western fandom conceives of BL even up to today.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of sexual assault, dubious consent, graphic sexual descriptions, and queerphobia
Minotaur’s Sex Tips for Slash Writers
Gentlemen Behold, Corn (AMV Hell)
Twittering Birds Never Fly
1:00 Content Warnings and Production History
15:00 Bone Your Way to the Middle
28:30 Behold, Corn
32:30 Bad Porn Physics
38:30 Trailer Porn
45:00 Generational Market Shifts
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Soooo, dear listeners, this is the situation as it stands now:
Our whole house has tested positive for coronavirus. This likely happened either due to one person's job (which involves contact with the public), or another person's decision to do the shopping at an unfamiliar grocery store which turned out to be full of people who refused to keep an appropriate distance.
We're doing well, comparatively speaking; nobody has been hospitalized, and we can all work from home to some extent (because capitalism is hell). We have plenty of food and no need to go outside.
But the biggest symptom getting in our way is fatigue, which unfortunately is impacting our recording and editing speed. We apologize for the erratic schedule.
~Dorothy 🖤
I really hope that this is just a cold.
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Go Crows! The Internet's Only Smallville Podcast - Season 1, Episodes 18-21
We made it to the end of season one! And then they left us with a cliffhanger! Rude! There continue to be Vibes we did not request. But on the bright side, John Glover came back to chew some more scenery, and that’s always a fun time.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of police brutality, sexual assault, racism, incest
1:30 Bite-Sized Summary
4:00 Monsters of the Week
30:00 Wisdom from Pa Kent
34:45 Heart of the Show
40:30 And That’s Terrible
54:00 The Jukebox
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Jack Frost (1997) / Jack Frost (1998) - Zombie Snowman Double Feature
Our holiday gift to you, our dearest listeners, is a second bite at the meme, the myth, the legend: that terrifying dead-eyed snowman puppet animated by the trapped soul of Michael Keaton. And also a microbudget slasher. We figured we’d watch one basically watchable movie and one deeply uncomfortable one, and that’s sure what we got!
Also feat. cameos by all of the Zappa children, for some reason.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of sexual assault, existentialism/morbidity, graphic depiction of car crash death, grief, parental neglect, body horror/gore
“Jack Frost” Fangoria Interview (Pages 34-37)
1:00 Battle of the Budgets
7:00 Absent Dad Films
14:00 Never Try, Kids
21:00 Best Bully Ever
26:00 The Sweet Release of Death
31:00 When Camp Fails
41:00 Framing and Audience Expectation
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Drunk Book Club: Carry On
An academic specializing in fan studies and a trans media critic walk into a Harry Potter fanfic. Chaos ensues.
Special thanks to Ceslatoil for commissioning this episode! You can find out more about commissions on our Patreon.
In which we unpack the different structural needs of fanfics versus standalone works, the problem of only thinking through the implications of your bad guy twist halfway, and why all the most interesting characters are dead.
CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of racism, queerphobia, transphobia, JK Rowling (the redundancy is noted), misogyny, ableism, and domestic abuse
Russell Howard Reads 50 Shades of Gray
Ursula K Le Guin Roasts JK Rowling
Racism in Eleanor & Park
1:00 The Harry Potter Connection
6:00 Drinks!
8:00 Limited Scope of Fandoms Highlighted
21:00 Our Off-Brand Cast
30:00 Ladies and Queer Stuff
38:00 “The Worst Chosen One”
45:00 It’s About the Implications
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Star Trek (2009) - JJ Abrams Makes a Star War
Special thanks to Roisin for commissioning this episode! You can find out more about commissions on our Patreon.
In which two Star Trek fans — one casual, one Deep — reckon with a Star Trek movie made for people who hate Star Trek and pay homage to all the good fanwork this movie spawned before digging into the messy postmortem of the project itself.
CONTENT WARNING for discussion of genocide, homophobia, and misogyny.
Star Trek by Apple (the Dyson hand dryer shot)
Choice AMVs
Tik Tok
Hurt
So Close
1:00 Trek History
12:00 JJ Abrams, Avowed Trek Hater
15:30 The AU Angle
22:00 Our nuCast
30:30 Enterprise by Apple
35:00 Insert Emotions Here
43:00 About Vulcan
48:00 Compliment Sandwich
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