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LMFAOOOOO I love it!

Danny narrowed his eyes as the Uber arrived at the church, and he finally remembered the occasion.

“Wait, Mom? Did we just pregame Vlad’s funeral?” Danny asked. Maddie scowled.

“Shut up and act sober. For some reason, your dad loved that miserable creep,” she told him.

“It’s the only way to get through the day,” Jazz agreed, fumbling to open the door and step out.

#danny phantom meme #danny phantom art #danny phantom #vlad masters

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Controversial AtLA opinion?+headcanon

Iroh was never misogynistic/ignorant towards Azula and her mental health.

Yes, in B2E9 Bitter Work, he tells Zuko that she’s crazy and needs to go down when Zuko thinks Iroh would want them to get along. But Iroh’s interactions with females in the show have never been misogynistic. Yes, he’s pretty creepy towards Jun but he doesn’t think she’s ‘lesser’/‘not worthy’ or whatever. He believes in Yue when they had to save the moon spirit. He’s nothing but grateful to the earth kingdom mother/daughter that heal his rash and feed him and Zuko. He talks with Toph and even says ‘I didn’t pour your tea because you can’t, but because I wanted to’. He knows Toph’s not an invalid and is nothing but polite to her. He does accidentally misgender Smellerbee, but after she snaps at him, he immediately apologizes and corrects himself so I wouldn’t really say that’s misogynistic.

I HC that Azula SAID something horrible to Iroh which caused him to cut ties/stop trying to help her. During the Zuko Alone episode, we see flashbacks of Zuko and Azula (who appear to be 11 and 8ish respectively). She talks about Iroh dying in the war nonchalantly and burns a doll he got her (cuz she didn’t like it). Being around 8-9 or so and casually mentioning family members dying isn’t normal so I think she vocalized her opinions to Iroh (or at least enough for him to find out). I think Iroh would try at first to get through to Azula, but Ozai just had too much influence over her. He stopped trying to help her completely when Zuko and Ozai had the Agni Kai and the former was banished, choosing to support his nephew (since it’s clear by this time that Ozai favored Azula).

He was able to redirect Azula’s lightning and throw her off her ship in B2E1 and he’s able to hold her and a bunch of Dai Li agents off w/ Zuko long enough to escape in the B2 finale. He even held Azula, Zuko and the Dai Li agents off to help Katara escape w/ Aang’s body as well. I definitely think that whatever happened between them, happened vocally/with words. Iroh can stand up to Azula’s bending (while Zuko had to train) so I think Azula would know that the way to get to Iroh would be with words (like how she baits Sokka w/ Suki in the Black Sun eps).

So yeah, I guess that’s it. The gist:

Iroh isn’t misogynistic/ignorant towards Azula and her mental health, but rather, something happened between them that caused Iroh to cut ties (Azula saying something incredibly awful to him seems most likely).

A lot of things with Azula seem open to interpretation but based on Iroh’s interactions with other females, he doesn’t seem like a misogynist, so if he’s only ‘like this’ with Azula, I feel that’s more of a personal issue with Azula herself and not ‘females’ in general.

#Iroh #iroh-critical #anti iroh #avatar the last airbender

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Am I'm the only person who thinks Azula's love language is really, really clear?

Like, what does she do?

Hugging her friends when she's sees them again.

Telling Mai that she's very glad to see her again.

Humiliating her friend's awful, abusive, neglectful parents in front of her.

Giving her (distinctly non-royal) friends seats on a throne.

Making the impossible happen and sacrificing her status as heir to the throne so that her brother can come home.

Openly telling her honor-obsessed brother than he's restored his honor in her eyes.

Repeatedly trying her best to comfort her super-angsty brother whenever he got worried or stressed or sad.

Using physical touch to try to make her brother feel better.

Getting her brother invited to a party.

Doing what she can to try to prevent Zuko from doing something stupid that will get him banished again.

When she screws up and makes her best friend cry, apologizing and using physical touch to comfort her in order to make her feel better.

Risking her life in order to protect her defenseless father.

This is not an ambiguous list. It's probably more clear and straightforward than what we see of Toph's love language, for instance, and if any character less demonized by the narrative than Azula did what Azula does, the fandom would have zero doubt about how deeply she loves people.

And sure, Azula is a bad friend who does plenty of other things which badly screw up her relationships, but I don't think Mai or Ty Lee or Ozai ever doubted for a second that she cared deeply about them. Zuko was the only one so oblivious he couldn't notice, and I'm sure it was blindingly obvious to both Ty Lee and Mai that Azula loved him very deeply.

And all this clarity of love language came despite Azula not having a single family member who ever showed her clear and unconditionally love and affection.

#Azula #Azula meta #avatar the last airbender

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Azula had Ba Sing Se's ultimate police force at her beck and call. No matter how that cave fight turned out, the Fire Nation already conquered Ba Sing Se; capturing Aang that day would've been a plus but Azula had no reason to worry that Be Sing Se would be lost to preemptively recruit Zuko in hopes of him being a fall guy.

Azula essentially won the war before she brought back Zuko. Even on the last episode of the series, Katara says that the Fire Nation basically already won that day. Azula did not need Zuko for a victory nor did she need him to somehow take the blame.

In the bedroom scene that you keep referring back to, not once did Azula actually confirm that was her plan all along.

Like I said, if you want to argue that she made it up later then whatever (it still doesn't make sense with how much kindness she showed Zuko since he returned) but there is no way for her to have come up with that plan when she first recruited Zuko. It's impossible.

You keep saying that Azula returned Zuko to "his abuser" as if Ozai wasn't BOTH of their abusers. Ozai abused both of them in different ways, so stop trying to justify demonizing Azula for bringing her brother home by phrasing it that way. Keep in mind, that Zuko had agency during that decision. He chose to come home just like how he chose to leave. Also, Ozai not wanting Zuko back doesn't mean that Azula didn't recognize that Zuko wanted to come back.

As for Azula somehow treating Zuko worst than he treated her, there are plenty of posts made debunking this. I don't have the time right now for that so just look into it.

Friendly reminder that Azula captures Zuko in canon, and not only does she not harm him, she finds a way to use the opportunity to restore her brother's status as crown prince and get him back into favor with her father, sacrificing her place in the line of succession and diminishing her own accomplishments in order to do so. That's a level of "mercy" that it's basically impossible for Zuko to match post-canon, even if he's not being a dick to Azula.

#avatar the last airbender #atla #pro azula #zuko critical

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Unless Azula can see the future, she welcomed Zuko to her side before she ever shot lightning at Aang. It was impossible for her to have this "contingency plan" in place when she first offered Zuko a way home.

Even if you want to argue that she made the plan later, it doesn't change the fact that her initial motivation had nothing to do with glory or needing a fall guy.

Ba Sing Se was already conquered at that point. She didn't truthfully need Zuko's help nor did she have any reason to worry that things would go wrong to need someone to blame.

Friendly reminder that Azula captures Zuko in canon, and not only does she not harm him, she finds a way to use the opportunity to restore her brother's status as crown prince and get him back into favor with her father, sacrificing her place in the line of succession and diminishing her own accomplishments in order to do so. That's a level of "mercy" that it's basically impossible for Zuko to match post-canon, even if he's not being a dick to Azula.

#yall hate to admit that Azula loved her brother but he didnt love her #zuko critical #not anti Zuko because I still like him #azula #avatar the last airbender

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Hey, as a long viewer of your anti iroh posts, which, as a person who just recently watched ATLA, I have a very controversial theory/headcanon based on my knowledge of general psychology (not a psychologist so disregard if incorrect) and perspective of Iroh's character and by the attitude of his fans that can possibly get me hate messages and even death threats. So I came to the conclusion that Iroh expresses an uncomfortable character of NPD or particularly a certain "sub" that you will, being Benevolent/Vulnerable Narcissim.

Iroh loves to present himself as "wise, kind and fatherly," but his actions showcase the total opposite, and his supposed identity appears far more shallow and self-centred. He never properly mentors or shows to really know Zuko. Instead, he simply uses Zuko to serve as his act of penance, which is why he never meaningfully teaches Zuko to become a better person or to realise that his father is at fault and that his sister is not his real enemy. But no, instead, he lays off to do the bare minimum. He shows less to no remorse for Zuko's predicament that was caused by him for not standing up to his brother when he was banished. Nor does Iroh show any for Zuko's victims. Instead, Iroh operates under the mindset that supporting Zuko and making him Firelord will accomplish his penance. His lack of care for Azula is precisely because she is an obstacle not just for Zuko but for his "penance" as well.

It's also interesting the lack of self-awareness that Iroh has. He calls Azula crazy for doing what he did for decades. The only difference is that Azula genuinely cares for her nation while Iroh doesn't really care except his glory. He sent his son to the front lines to fight his own battles for him, which isn't that different from Ozai's treatment of Azula and Zuko. Oh, and at the finale, what does he do? Send Zuko and Katara into danger while abandoning them to satisfy his selfish desire. Of course, as you mentioned, he also doesn't live up to his own "wisdom" instead using that wisdom to appear smart and confuse others. Because in all honesty, Zuko NEVER applies any of Iroh's suppose wisdom because Iroh doesn't ever think to teach BLUNTLY to Zuko, like any basic teacher can look at Iroh and already have their hands in their face, but of course the further issue is that instead of applying basic healthy logic, Iroh instead utilises the toxic sibling rivalry to manipulate Zuko into becoming his "perfect" son. Zuko becomes a better person despite Iroh not because of him, Zuko's "metamorphosis" (aka breakdown) is the best example of how unhealthy Iroh's parenting is.

Iroh is also shameless when it comes to his mistakes. He never feels guilt or apologises to June for his blatant sexual harassment. He has no shame for being friends with the Rough Rhinos or assisting Zhao in the further conquest and bloodshed of the Northen Water Tribe. He never thinks or comes clean with his crimes against the Earth Kingdom, instead choosing to profit off the very same people he victimised. He never apologises to Zuko for being a shitty mentor/Uncle.

Iroh reminds me of ALOT of narcissistic so called "benevolent" or "vulnerable" people who will appear kind and even express self hatred but only for further validation and without taking risks or responsibility whatsoever for their mistakes, instead blaming others or doing "good" little things to create a narrative that they are "saints" and that people who disagree or despise them are "crazy or evil".

This might be far-fetched, but when you consider that to this day, the majority of ATLA fans have been juiced in this narrative that Iroh = 50 year old warmonger is a Saint who should be worshipped and that Zuko should be "thankful and grateful" of said Iroh, and that Azula = 14 year old abused child soldier who did the least messed up things and is the youngest member is demonised for being "crazy" and even Aang gets treated inferior to Iroh, well it already feels right at home with typical narcissistic narratives

I've had similar thoughts myself, but I really don't like applying medical diagnoses to fictional characters living in a very different society, so I never quite articulated them. Certainly Iroh seems to be an extraordinarily self-centered person who puts major effort into pretending not be so self-centered.

#anti Iroh #anti-Iroh

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atla stans genuinely believe that 11 year old azula smiling at zuko getting burned (not even confrimed) is worse than iroh (an experienced general) letting 13 year old zuko in a war meeting and doing absolutely nothing to prevent ozai from burning him

#azula #zuko #anti iroh

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I just need to say this:

I was anti-Iroh as a child, and I recently finished watching ATLA again as an adult, and I'm still anti-Iroh, possibly even more than when I was as a child.

The most blaring issue with Iroh for me is his sexism. I cannot overlook it, even for a second. It affected me as a child.

As a literal child who didn't know words like misogyny or sexism, I still knew that he made me uncomfortable, and that was enough to make me hate him.

As an adult, I'm now able to verbalize why he made me so uncomfortable as a child and it has only made me hate him even more.

Now, I'm not going to go off into a rant about why I hate Iroh (the anti iroh/iroh critical tags do that for me) but I just literally had to get this off of my chest because this fandom's near worship of Iroh was suffocating.

Y'all can never make me like Iroh ❤️

#anti iroh #mr. i killed thousands on my siege to Ba Sing Se but my 14 year old niece is the crazy #mr. its wrong for brothers to fight each other but older brothers fighting mentally ill younger sisters is just destiny #mr. lets grope this paralyzed young woman 2x younger than me who clearly doesn't like it #mr. im a better firebender than my younger brother but i still let his 13 year old son enter an arena with him and did nothing to stop it

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I find it hilarious how Tory haters claim that they hate Tory but then turn around and say that their favorite season of Sam is season 4 (aka when she was acting exactly like Tory).

The math is not mathing LMFAOOOOOO

Y'all don't actually hate Tory's personality, y'all just hate that she does it best 😘😛

#tory nichols #cobra kai #peyton list

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Maternal Tory isn't talked about enough.

Big Sister Tory isn't talked about enough.

The way Tory be taking people under her wing when they're sad or upset about something (Miguel, Aisha, Robby...) isn't talked about enough!

Ugh. I love her.

#It's loving Tory Nichols hours #Tory is literally mama bear personified #She backed Kenny off of Hawk but made sure Hawk knew she would throw hands if he didn't leave Kenny alone #(Yes i know Kenny started the shit but Tory didn’t know) #tory nichols #cobra kai

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When his whole family plus friends (and teacher) just casually blow up in a fast food restaurant because of extremely spicy hot sauce and he becomes so depressed that he seeks his 40+ year old arch nemesis for comfort (the same man who tried to murder his dad and sleep with his mom) only for said arch nemesis to rip his ghostly alter ego from his chest and for him to end up killed by that alter ego 🙃

#danny phantom

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Doing this art Style Challenge thing with Val and started with Chris Hong's style and what I learned from this is

Water colors hard/everything bleeding even in digital

soft ™

#danny phantom #Valerie Gray

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small town charms

#danny phantom

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I hate the internet for really gaslighting me into thinking the Vampire Diaries was better than Twilight.

Don't get me wrong, Twilight is ass but the Vampire Diaries isn't even that much better in comparison.

#yall really hyped this show up as the best of the best #comparable to walking dead and game of thrones??? Hell naw!! #And for the record I don't even think season 1 to 3 of TVD was any good #everyone hypes those as the best of the series and those season were still weak as hell #anti the vampire diaries #the vampire diaries slander

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So let me get this straight…Klaus’s daddy issues justify his actions but Marcel fully being enslaved doesn’t? Make it make sense.

#anti klaus mikaelson #anti the vampire diaries #anti the originals #clock it!!

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The argument that TVD being a "vampire show" excuses when the characters act like shitty people doesn't really make sense when even the non-vampire characters are complete ass.

#the vampire diaries slander #anti the vampire diaries

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Watching TVD fans argue over who's the worst character makes me feel so vindicated that I don't like anyone.

They be like, "How can you hate Elena when Caroline has done that too" or "How can you hate Damon when Klaus does the same thing" etc etc etc

And I'm like, "You're absolutely right. They're all shitty people. Every single one of them. Case closed 😛"

#the vampire diaries slander