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Alot of the plots were good - but some aspects just really made the season overall awful . How dare they do that to Max. I'm livid about that. You really had venca's curse represent su*cidal thoughts- which we see Max overcoming in part 1 . Then part 2: bam vecna k*lls max- the girl who str*ggled with ab*se, a horrible home life ,and throughout the season overcame her su*cidal thoughts but got an awful ending . And while dying she says over and over she doesn't want to d*e. It's cruel. Even if she does wake up from the coma - is she blind and or paralyzed and never able to skate again? Play videogames?And for what- vecna is alive , and hawkins was still destroyed. Her sacrifice wasn't worth it. And Eddie's death was not only cruel but pointless too. He didn't even save anyone during the scene. And he literally mentioned how he did not want to become like his criminal dad . They kill him and the whole town thinks he's a worse criminal than his father. And he never graduated - it was "not his year". Aka part of his last words.The erica and lucas scenes of being attacked- honestly deserves it's own post. Also the romance is still low key one of the worst cringe parts of an otherwise great show.

I'm sorry m*leven is still so sus to me. Like besides all their relationship issues, it's weird s1-s4 parallels m*leven to family members. Like seriously side eyeing the Duffers just for those weird family parallels- if m*leven is romantic endgame. I mean ...nancy called herself "ruth" and el was in "Ruth, nevada" (and that's like 1 of 20 examples). Just to name one of many of those weird family parallels. Like why do that?? And yeah if it's an actual romantic declaration - you'd think they'd kiss like they did in the beginning of s4 . Not even getting into retcons like mike saying meeting Will at age 5 was "the best thing I've ever done". But now he says his "life started" at age 12 when he met el- cause "love at first sight" bs trope. Love at first sight isn't real. And wow glad Will could hear mike's confession about how the worst day of Will's life was the day mike's " life began". Mike be like : "I knew Will for 7 years , before I met el . And all my friendships prior to meeting el- meant nothing to me- because my life only began when I fell in love with El instantly and rushed into a relationship after 1 week of knowing her (and when we finally Date- we just fight for 2 seasons straight). True love. "

Honestly they parallel robin/vickie/her bf to will/mike/El - which is also sus. Given how (supposedly straight) Vickie and her bf breakup- and Vickie seems into Robin at the end of s4.

But regardless I'm so sick of just getting "crumbs" whether byler is a queer bait or s5 makes byler canon. I'm just tired- especially after how the socials /cast and crew constantly pumped up byler during pride month- before part 2.

Not to mention the fact we have to just see Will lie to mike to help m*leven. Even though he hates lying to mike. Like no that was Will's painting -el thought it was for a crush of Will's (she didn't commission it for Mike at all)! He was just trying to be a good friend and brother by trying to fix m*leven (and lying to mike to fix m*leven's failing romantic relationship).like think about it- mike literally thinks that d&d painting /"heart" metaphor was El's creative idea and something el made as a gift for him . When it was all Will!!! That "heart" line Will says to mike is used again later by Will- to encourage mike to confess he loves El. Will literally uses his own romantic words for mike- to encourage mike to confess to el instead. Gross. If m*leven is endgame- could they do it in a less awful way to Will? Not to mention mike finally says he loves el- but part of the reason is because he's moved by Will's painting (he thinks is from el). Which is also messy for m*leven endgame. All those words in the car to mike were Will's confession (he literally just replaced his pronouns for "El" and "she/her" ). Even jonathan saw it that way. Will to mike: " you're guiding- inspiring . That's what you do. you're the heart, without the heart (i'd) fall apart. These past few months (i've) been lost without you.(cough mike said the "lost " line to Will first) .When you're different from other people ... when you're different ... sometimes you feel like a mistake. But you make (me) feel like (I'm) not a mistake at all. And that gives (me ) courage to fight on. If (I) seemed like (I) was pushing you away. It's because (I'm)scared of losing you. "

And the fact we're just left with Will sulking in the corner - and being a trope of "sad gay character in love with his (supposedly straight) best friend". And have Will low key fix that the dysfunction het couple - who have trivial convoluted drama/dysfunction every season they date. But never actually resolve any of their fundamental issues - lying, spying, neglecting all their friends for eachother ,etc. Because you know the trope: gays always have to step aside and sacrifice the romantic love they have for a friend -so that same friend can instead live " happily ever after" (in a het relationship). Even if that het couple is dysfunctional and poorly written. I'm gay ... and just so tired of this type of stuff , repeated over and over and over again in media. Do writers not realize bad-rep is much worse than no-rep?Like if byler isn't canon these scenes right here are literally just rubbing salt in the wounds of Will and other gay/queer fans who empathize or relate to him.

It's like i've mentioned in the past a lot of straight writers LOVE the 'sad gay - trope' . Alot of those straight writers don't empathize with us as people, they infact "romanticize our pain" and find it "beautiful" . And just find our suffering "dramatic and angsty" decoration to their story- where they can also add bragging points of being "inclusive". They don't actually care about how problematic the queer rep is -and how it negatively affects us.

Even Will said he'd rather "pull the bandaid off" in regards to romance drama between him and mike. But duffers didn't do that- or give any closure for Will. Nah they forgot his bday and did this instead. Heck, no romantic closure for Will or even the whole st*ncy/j*ncy drama. Which is a whole other can of worms in itself (i'm saying this as someone who doesnt ship either st*ncy or j*ncy). Regardless of what could happen in s5. I'm just tired of how poorly some (frankly most) of the romance is handled in the series.

If m*leven is endgame they did it in the most reductive , stereotypical, predictable, and also hurtful way possible to lgbt fans. Without actually fixing m*leven's real issues to make us like them together as a couple. Heck (not only do they have problems that were never fixed ) : like lying /spying/ mike still hero worshiping her - which were never fixed ). They're now just a cliche ("love at first sight couple", who ever since they started dating have artifical convoluted drama every season ). Literally s3 and 4 are the same: m*leven neglect their friends for eachother, lie to eachother , fight with eachother, then say they're in love. There's no change , no progess they just repeat the same problematic pattern. Forget mike saying in part 1 this was a fight the pairing "couldn't get past" or mike nodding to Will saying maybe he's afraid to tell el the truth, cause she may not like it. Ummm - part 2 doesn't connect to that, why would El not like his confession? Not to mention mike only can say he loves her in s3 and 4 when her life is in danger (and in s4 when Will encourages him to keep talking)- not sus at all. The whole season Mike shares dialogue with brenner - even in the love confession (ick). And lol after his love confession- el won't talk to him. (purposeful hinting it won't work out ? or just horrible writing for an awful romantic pair who always have had poor communication?) Straight-mike narratively just makes mike a sh*t friend too- going from a great , considerate,and observant friend in s1 and 2. But , then the second he starts dating El in s3 :he neglects his friends for 2 straight seasons in favor of El (all while being a not good bf to her for 95% of their relationship). And also he literally said his life didn't begin until el (this is literally insulting to all his prior friendships which were established long before meeting el ). Straight-mike isn' t the "heart" of any party as Will claimed - not anymore (he straight up says his other relationships don't matter. Will, lucas, dustin- pfft his" life didn't even begin " until el . The worst day of Will's life - pfft mike, his bff, doesn't care about Will's tra*ma cause it gave him the chance to meet el. And he'll say it -right infront of Will. But in the end, both seasons his friends are the ones who have to help mike retain this supposed perfect romance. And let's get real they have no chemistry as a pairing- Mike just doesn't seem genuine in his love . And the confession incorporating mike's desire to be "needed" and having mike call her a "hero" and "superman'.yeah- hero worship from mike and dependence from el (winning romantic combo) . Also yeah , weird how El's "hero' is her dad and mike's is El. Given again all the family parallels. Heck terry(mom)/ mike saying "I love you" to El- is what gets her to defeat vecna.

And If byler is endgame in s5 - the duffers are overestimating how much bs they can put queer fans through- before they give us a happy ending . Like wow thanks for ending the season with mike & Will standing together, in between 2 other romantic pairings. After you made Will suffer through a bunch of problematic queer tropes (that you may subvert in s5- in like... 4 years). I'd say that framing at the end is a hint of byler- but they did the same framing in s3 only to do this in s4. So they may just leave those hints in the show to string and queer bait us longer. But honestly even if byler is canon in s5 (i actually think it has a decent chance of being endgame ): the Duffers sabotaged themselves. Becuse now bylers are less engaged in wanting to watch s5, and in s5 you'd piss off the m*levens . Cause mike would have lied to El and led her on (or just said it cause he didn't want her to d*e/ he meant he loved her in a non romantic way). But also when mike did his romance speech to El- he said the most messed up stuff right infront of Will ( aka the day Will was k*dnapped is when mike finally felt alive- cause he met El) . THAT'S SO MESSED UP. most bylers probably won't even bother to watch s5 - assuming the worst again too.

So my point is - regardless of whether mike is straight, gay or bi (they wrote themselves into a corner where mike looks bad either way). And his relationships with both of them are messy af.

[bylerlovers]

fellas is it gay to be unable to tell your girlfriend you love her, then go to your homie for advice and tell him that the town you both grew up in isn't the same without him and that the two of you work better together but you feel like you've lost him

[bylerlovers]

this scene>>>>

#byler #mike wheeler #will byers #stranger things #byeler #byler season 4 #stranger things 4 #st4 #byler is endgame #byler is canon #byler is real #will x mike #mike x will #stranger things spoilers

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everyone on stranger things outacting themselves to get an emmy but noah's out here trying to get that glaad award

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Big brain moment for me: is realizing one of the main reasons Mike dislikes Max is because she’s (subconsciously) a constant reminder that he isn’t straight.

Dustin and Lucas are immediately into Max . And Mike questions this (since they don’t even know her). Mike“awesome??!you haven’t even spoken a  word to her! ” Dustin (already crushing): “ Hey! I don’t have to . I mean LOOK at her.” 

*MIKE LOOKING HELLA CONFUSED XD

Troy (the homophobic bully, talking about el): “her head’s shaved . She doesn’t even LOOK like a girl.” 

(Not to mention all the people who also thought she looked like a boy and specifically thought she was Will- aka hopper, benny, and the diner customer).

We also know Dustin is remarking about Max’s physical appearance in that ep1 scene since this videogame-scene  also occurs in s2e1 (the same ep Max is introduced) . This videogame- scene has  lucas and Dustin fight over princess Daphne -and Lucas mentions how “princess daphne” is his. Foreshadowing the ending of  the love triangle between the 2 boys (in relation to Max) .

 What’s interesting is that historically dragon’s lair (was a nototriously difficult game)- and they used princess daphne’s attractiveness to convince straight-boys to continue playing the difficult game and waste their money .This is because, if the player finished the game- they would save and also marry  princess daphne. 

 But what’s interesting is - Dustin plays it, and it’s implied Lucas has played the game the most (and even finished the game to get Daphne). However, we never see Will or Mike play the game or get sucked into Daphne’s …appeal. In fact (right after this) Mike instead puts his arm around Will and suggests they get the top score in dig dug TOGETHER (and beat madmax’s top score instead). Not to mention in s1 Mike wrote a whole d&d story for Will-inspired by star wars/the events of s1 and replaced  princess Leia with a king (aka Will). The king has a medal ceremony for the heroes since they k*lled the 7 headed monster for him ( Will: ”it was a 7. The demogorgan it got me″). Mike is not into princesses (he literally replaced a women crushed upon by nerdy/star wars fan boys) and replaced her with a king. connecting it even more to his lack of interest in the princess videogame/girls in general (and interest in Will) .

* These little details in ep 1 show how Mike isn’t like Dustin or Lucas. He doesn’t understand Lucas/dustin’s immediate attraction to daphne or Max in ep 1 (based on their feminine looks). Some people may claim he was attracted to El in Nancy’s dress/his grandma’s wig but i think this had more to do with the fact at that time El looked like the blonde popular girl jennifer hayes (who Lucas/Dustin were into). And so the idea of a girl who liked him (who looked like the most popular girl in school- who his friends were into )was appealing to his ego. Lucas (to Mike, referring to el while she is in her wig,dress, and makeup): “you’re just blind. Blind cause a girl isn’t grossed out by you.” Mike  in s1 even later specified he preferred her without the wig/makeup. He says in the wig/dress she’s “pretty” but when El removes all of it she asks “Still pretty?” And he says YEAH! pretty. REALLY pretty.” And sorry his compliment to her at the snowball seemed pretty rehearsed/forced. Just like how he refers to her fem look in s3 as “cool” (like how Hopper says El’s new punk look is “cool”).  In s3 we even have Lucas dress like the karate kid (cause max has a crush on him), nancy dresses based on ‘new age’ music (jonathan likes), so why does max imply El dresses in baggy male clothes for mike ? Saying about picking clothes “ chose stuff that feels like you…not mike.” Maybe cause mike prefers her dressing in a more masculine way?

Anyways, back on topic.  s2e1 shows Mike doesn’t understand his friends immediate attraction to Max and Daphne’s feminine appearances and this ties back to Mike’s animosity to Max in the following s2 eps.

 Later mike yells at max “hate you? How can I hate you? i don’t even KNOW you!” (Mirroring what Mike said earlier to the smitten Dustin -when Dustin remarked on how he doesn’t really have to know her to think she’s awesome because he found her physically attractive). Mike says this comment to Max- when in canon Mike knew both el and Max for the exact same amount of time -a week . So somewhere in his subconscious he realizes crushing on el (who he ‘doesn’t even know’) based on her then “boyish” look /will like appearance (after only knowing her a week) means something. Cause his straight friends (at least initially) are into Max for her more feminine appearance (after also only knowing her for a week) .And Dustin and Lucas were never into the boyish looking El (in s1- like they were with max in s2). So yeah every time Mike sees her - he’s reminded that (in canon) he unlike his friends has never crushed on a single girl (except one who resembled a boy/ his male bff). Which (at least subconsciously) agitates him to think about. Max in response to him saying he doesn’t hate her. Max: but you don’t want me in your party! Mike: correct! Max: why not? Mike: CAUSE YOU’RE ANNOYING!To mike- max’s very presence is a constant reminder he’s not straight. Her presence makes him at least subconsciously start to think about things- he’d rather not. Like why he was attracted to the boyish looking el (who resembled Will) but not max, princess daphne, or any girl prior?

In s1 we know Mike knows what “gay” , 'fairy’, and 'queer’ is- all words he heard as insults towards Will. And eventually Mike snaps and attacks Troy for a specific  hom*phobic comment making fun of Will being dead. Where Troy says,  “Will’s in fairy land now. flying around with ALL THE OTHER FAIRIES. All happy and GAY!” (cough next time Mike saw Troy he literally flew from where Will ‘died’. Troy even told Hopper Mike “flew” . That is another  Mike is gay hint ) . So he probably doesn’t even want to fathom the possibility he may be gay or in love with his male best friend (when taught it’s something 'bad’ by his peers and 80s society as a whole ). Especially when he sees how people already malign Will over such rumors.

So to Mike - Max is the personification of the thing he lacks - the ability to be attracted to girls-the innate ability to be what most deem 'normal’. The ability to be like his friends. And he sadly resents her for this.

Then in s3 max encourages el to dump him ( and says to Mike it’s not just a break). And constantly points out how mileven just isn’t that great- she yells at Mike about how he doesn’t trust el nor respects her ability to make decisions. And tells el that he lied to her. And she also points out to Mike- how el was the one who decided to spy on him (and disrespect his privacy/boundaries). And even worse for Mike’s straight facade with El (max gives El a feminine makeover in s3). Something he’s not genuinely attracted to.  

 To Mike(at least subconsciously)- she is a constant reminder that he’s not straight (in s2). And in s3, she points how the flaws of his comp het relationship with el .Which infuriates him .

So when Mike starts to accept his queerness- I suspect their relationship will improve.

I also think Mike was a bit jealous and initially thought Will was into her too. But I think the reason I just discussed was actually the main reason for the animosity.

#mike wheeler #byler #facts

[bylerlovers]

byler is canon and no, you can’t change my mind.

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referencing the swings scene from dawson’s creek because yeah

#This is so cute helppp❤️

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Watching ST1 right after watching ST3 is such a trip, for lack of a better word. The disparity is significant in all areas, but especially in relation to the aesthetics/color scheme. It makes me wonder what the aesthetics of S4 will be…I don’t think they’ll bear much resemblance to S3. S4 has been described by many cast members as being “the darkest season yet,” which doesn’t lend itself to the peppy color scheme found in S3. However, I don’t see them picking S1/S2 colors either, as those seasons took place in late fall. It seems likely that S4 takes place in late March, so I think the color scheme will fall somewhere in between the two extremes. Does anyone have any thoughts?

Also please read my tags because I had another semi-related idea which also (in my humble opinion) should be talked about!

[bylerlovers]

this.

what if when byler kisses for the first time they play the song “The First I Love You” as a diss on Mileven because when Mileven kissed in the finale the song “The First I love You” played.. notice how the ‘love’ isn’t capitalized. So they make a new version which is the exact same song but instead the ‘love’ IS capitalized and is played during the first byler kiss because this time the love is real

MY MIND...

#byler #endgame

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I love how the first 2 chapters of the st d&d comic are super byler heavy-read about it my prior post here. While just this 1 page from ch3 shows everything wrong with mileven and right with byler.

It establishes like the whole chapter/s3 Mike is pretending to be someone he isn’t . (All macho and sh*t) to impress El. When he really is just a nerd (who’s strength is intellect and kindness). His fake bravado doesn’t work to impress El. El walks away to be independent without him cause she’s “always strong”. And frankly she’s better off on her own, not dating right now. And as El leaves it’s Will who comforts Mike (as El strides away confidently). We see her silhouette stride away from the 2 pairings. Mike says his insecurities to Will -not El. And Will has to be the one who says how valuable Mike is to the group and tries to quell Mike’s insecurities- while El just walks away from Mike.

*Also (before this scene) is a hint Will also has powers like El. Cause when El plays. Will says there can’t be 2 magic user.s Also love the sass of him saying “does this look like a cleric’s outfit to you?” We know Mike- you said Will was a cleric cause in d&d clerics bring out the best in paladins and understand paladins the most. But - my boy is still a wizard. 😆

Also this mirrors the whole- can’t be more than 2 Venkmans argument. Will in s2 said “why can’t there just be 2 venkmans?” Mike then says “cause there’s only 1 Venkman.” And then in s2, Will’s storyline mirrors Dana’s storyline (Venkman’s love interest).so…you can pick up the subtext of Will now saying there should only be 1 magic user. Cause Mike can only have 1 magic user love interest. Similar to the venkman argument .

 ch1 is pre s1. ch2 is pre s2. And ch3 is pre s3, before the mileven breakup. I don’t consider it super Canon cause el didn’t get that outfit until s3 but they said Dustin hadn’t been to camp yet in this ch. But still fun to read- since it may have hints or easterggs. I wonder if ch 4 is pre s4?

[bylerlovers]

I'm pretty sure Will turned around because he needed to tell Mike what was going on, because Mike is the only friend he trusts...(?)

That's why the script says "turns toward Mike and El" and not just "turns around"... Idk honestly. I just need byler

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Matthew Modine spotted on set of Stranger Things 4!

#stranger things 4

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#Aww

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i kinda hate this drawing but oh well

ew im sorry will

#i love this

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Exactly! It really seemed like the question was whether byler will happen...

That was my reaction... It may seem too exaggerated, but it's a normal reaction for a byler shipper.

He knows something.

(first clip via: wclfhrds.aep | IG)

#come on #byler #endgame

[bylerlovers]

That was my reaction... It may seem too exaggerated, but it's a normal reaction for a byler shipper.

He knows something.

(first clip via: wclfhrds.aep | IG)

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[bylerlovers]

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