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hed-romancer · 1 year

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strange world (and farming)

So, this might be extremely obvious, but I'm not sure how much this is talked about outside the midwest so??

Strange World's environmental message is a direct reference to monocrop farming, the use of pesticides, and other farming practices that produce more crops but harm soil and the Earth.

The fact that the entire society relies almost entirely on one crop to sustain it? The fact that the second that crop becomes useless or harms the Earth to a degree we can't ignore anymore, our society is going to have to start anew? The fact that the people in charge actively ignore damage to the environment until their own lives are visibly at risk?

That's all us.

The director, Don Hall, is from Iowa and released an introduction before the movie to Iowa theaters where he talks about how much of Iowa is in the film, and how Searcher is a lot like his dad, an Iowa farmer.

Searcher is the protagonist. He's shown to be a likable guy. And yet, his farming practices are harming the Earth, he's not listening to his son about living harmoniously with nature, and he doesn't become a good guy (imo) until the end where he's destroyed everything he's worked for for the sake of the planet.

This movie is a fantasy but it's directly grounded in concrete parallels to our own world, and I love it

#strange world #don hall #searcher clade #environment #farming #iowa

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dcau-incorrect-quotes · 1 month

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Wonder Woman: While I'm gone, Dove is in charge.

Hawk: I should be in charge, I'm the oldest brother.

Wonder Woman: Do you even want to be in charge?

Hawk: No, but I'd like to be asked.

#source: arrested development #justice league #dc comics #dcau #justice league unlimited #jlu #dc #incorrect quotes #incorrect dc quotes #incorrect dc comics #wonder woman #diana of themiscyra #diana prince #hawk #hank hall #dove #don hall #hawk and dove

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nitpickrider · 1 year

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Every superhero team buries its dead. And the thing is. Not a single one of them would have done a damn thing differently.

#dc #dcu #dc comics #dc universe #superhero #comics #cassie sandsmark #wonder girl #donna troy #aquagirl #tula #starfire #koriand'r #dove #don hall #golden eagle #charley parker #teen titans

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harrisonstories · 1 year

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George Harrison turns his amp back on after police attempt to stop the rooftop performance. (Get Back, 2021)

George Harrison v.s. the police

“In Cleveland, without asking us, two senior police officers marched on stage and stopped our show completely because they said the crowd was getting out of hand. The safety curtain was pulled down, and we were ordered to our cars. With the cops shouting, ‘The show’s over, fellows, this is where we take over.’ It’s never happened to us before. But that’s the trouble with American cops – they’re over-enthusiastic, whether it’s for stopping shows, hurling us into cars, baton charging the crowd or just asking 30 autographs at a time." - George's column in The Daily Express (1964) [x]

"We've been and played here in Sydney, and it was the biggest drag of all time. The stage revolves every three minutes and we have to walk right down the aisles like boxers to get to the stage. At the first house I punched a policeman because he was shoving me like mad and some kids had a hold of me all at once and I was trying to get off the stage. I was swearing my head off at one policeman (sorry), and later the chief came and apologised to me." - George in a letter to his parents (1964)

“I noticed a police car. It says, written on the door, ‘To serve and to protect’, and that really sort of buzzed me. I was starting to wonder like, who are they serving, and who are they protecting? I mean that’s where it’s really at because maybe they do serve and protect, but you know…themselves or? Like, who? […] That’s the trick you see. They say, ‘It’s not me. It’s somebody up there telling me what to do,.’ and you can never find like, who is the guy at the top? Because they shift the load, you know? Take a load off Annie.” - George interviewed by Don Hall and Charles Laquidara (1968)

“George arrived home, with Mal Evans and Derek Taylor in tow. All the detectives instantly leaped from George’s settees to converge upon their quarry as he stormed, ranting and raving, into his kitchen. 'The foxes have got their lairs,' George shouted, 'and the birds have their fucking nests, but man doesn’t have anywhere he can fucking go without people breaking into his house!' Ignoring this tirade, the Drug Squad, charging him with possession of cannabis, produced two pieces of incriminating evidence. 'That one’s mine!' George snapped. 'But I’ve never seen this one before in me fucking life! You don’t have to bring your own dope to me house, I’ve got plenty meself! And you didn’t have to turn this whole fucking place upside down, I could have shown you where the stuff was if you’d asked me!' Their only response was to ask George to accompany them to the police station. 'Well, I don’t care where the fuck we go,' George retorted, 'just so long as you get all these fuckers out of my house!'" - Pete Shotton on the 1969 drug bust at Kinfauns [x]

"The prosecution had stated then that Harrison drove his car on to the busy junction of Wigmore Street and Orchard Street blocking traffic. When stopped by the Pc, Stephen Gardner he drove the car forward with the constable walking alongside and twice refused a requestion to drive to the offside of the road. Pc Gardner walked forward and stood in front of the car and Harrison advanced the car slowly and it hit the officer's knee. He drove against the officer three times. Police spent 15 minutes trying to get his name and address, but Harrison, who was heavily bearded, was finally recognized. Mr. Polden told the magistrate yesterday that Harrison was trapped in the boxed area. He was driving his wife's Mercedes, and drove slowly forward. He heard a hammering on the car roof. ‘Mr. Harrison's lot has been to find people hammering on the roof of his car and he did not associate it initially with police action.’

The policeman believed the driver was taking no notice of his signal. Harrison had the car radio on and did not hear the officer speak to him. When the policeman ran in front of the car Harrison realized for the first time he was being requested to stop ‘for reasons quite obscure to him.’ He decided to pull in to the near side and started to turn not realising he was being discourteous. ‘He should have stopped, but it stemmed from a misunderstanding. That is why he pleaded guilty.’ ‘Mr. Harrison's nature is such that the arrogant level of driving does not really enter into it. As far as a man in his position can have, he has a sense of humility. He is not capable of deliberately driving into a police officer, causing him to hurt. He took the whole business impassively rather than arrogantly.’” - Guy Rais, Ban on Harrison (1971) [x]

"George gives me a souvenir as I leave -- a baton belonging to the Chief Constable of Liverpool, which GH took off him at the Liverpool premiere of A Hard Day’s Night!" - Michael Palin, Halfway to Hollywood: Diaries 1980–1988

"I was 15 and then uh...had some little run-in with some policemen, and he told the policemen to fuck off. And that was when I realised he was actually cool, on my side, and not just a scary dad, y'know?" - Dhani Harrison, Living in the Material World

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goldenboyreturns · 7 months

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“CALL”

(Or, “It Turns Out Xavi Can’t Count! Weird.”)

#bruce wayne #batman #batober #batober 2023 #dick grayson #oswald cobblepot #owlman #lex luthor #joker #raven #dinah lance #don hall

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waitingforthet · 1 year

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Check my Patreon out if you’d like to support the comic, even a little bit helps. Or just to check out the reward tiers, there’s some neat bonus stuff and I tried to make them fun: https://www.patreon.com/waitingforthet

#Speedy #roy harper #aqualad #garth #dove #don hall #hawk #hank hall

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disneytva · 3 months

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Moana's Hei-Hei Is Next On Getting Paul Rudish and Asia Ellington Redesing For Walt Disney World Passholder Magnet.

There's a line where the sky meets the sea and it calls me, but no one knows how far it goes, one day I'll know, how far I'll go!.

Consider the coconut as Disney Television Animation, Walt Disney Imagineering and Disney Yellow Two Shoes Team team up for another Walt Disney World Passholder magnet this time featuring everyone's favorite rooster Hei-Hei from Moana in honor of EPCOT's Journey of Water, Inspired by Moana.

Walt Disney World Annual Passholders can head over to EPCOT for the latest magnet in their growing collection from January 29 to February 23, 2024

The redesing is done by Asia Ellington ("The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse" Franchise) & Paul Rudish ("The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse" Franchise) with animation by Mercury Filmworks.

#Moana #Asia Ellington #Paul Rudish #John Musker #Ron Clements #Chris Williams #Don Hall #Walt Disney World #EPCOT #Disney TVA Rides #Walt Disney Imagineering #Disney Yellow Two Shoes

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dccommies · 4 months

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DC LEFTIST INFIGHTING CAGE MATCH: ROUND ONE - SET 7

DON HALL:

"The guy represented the anti-war movement in the 60s More likely a liberal but his pacifist schtick opposite to his brother's warmongering was his whole thing."

OLIVER QUEEN:

"he's like your really embarrassing dad except he's actually pretty... based? Unlike what people seem to think in fanon he DID lose all of his money, actually, & always continues to do what he can politically to help people in need--though he can be annoyingly preachy or hypocritical sometimes."

"It's basically his middle name."

#dcleftistinfightingpoll #round 1 #don hall #dove #oliver queen #green arrow

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covertblizzard · 1 day

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Teen Titans Chronology

Era 1: Superhero Names & Funky Nicknames

The Brave and the Bold (1955) #54 The Brave and the Bold (1955) #60 Showcase #59 Teen Titans (1966) #1-20 The Brave and the Bold (1955) #83 Teen Titans (1966) #21-22

This is the peak silly era. Goofy nicknames, (mostly) goofy one-off villains, occasional team-up, etc. As far as I'm aware, none of their real names are ever mentioned within their own title and it's just their superhero names.

It starts with Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad (in the first Brave and Bold), with Wonder Girl being the first addition when they are officially first called the Teen Titans (in the second Brave and Bold), so I'm counting the Fab Foursome (Cool Quartet? Fantabulous Foursome?) of them as the starting point. They're a team up to #18 with occasional guests from Speedy (#4 - with notes that there were an "avalanche of mail" asking for his inclusion, #11), Beast Boy (#6 - rejected by the Teen Titans and apparently previously the Doom Patrol for not having a guardian's permission slip, interesting note that he already had movie offers here), and Starfire (#18 - definitely not who you're thinking of and instead a Russian boy).

Issue #19 is when they become "Fab-Four-Sometime Five" where Roy joins and Garth takes a break, so the main four changed. There are then two more team ups with Jericho (#20 - also not who you're thinking of but some boy name Joshua) and with Hawk and Dove (#21).

I think only Mad Mod became a long-term villain (?) but the list includes: Mr Twister, the Astounding Separated Man, Beast-God of Xochatan, Akkuru, Ding Dong Daddy Dowd (Demon Dragster), Diablo, The Ant (less villain and more blackmailed by Mr Krask), Mr Baltzer, Mad Mod, Honey Bun (and a spy Karl Larner), Captain Tiger, The Scorcher, The Gargoyle (who makes a reappearance in #35), Captain Rumble, The Dimensional Caper (from Dimension X), Le Blanc, Punch (Sylvester Sepastopol), Fat Cat.

Era 2: Real Names, New Teammates, Mr Jupiter, and Solo Storylines

Teen Titans (1966) #22-31 The Brave and the Bold (1955) #94 Teen Titans (1966) #32-34 World's Finest Comics #205 Teen Titans (1966) #35-39 The Brave and the Bold (1955) #102 Teen Titans (1966) #40-43

This part of the story starts to have a bit more personality and it is a lot more character-driven as opposed to (short) plot-driven stories. Their real names are finally used and they're shown to hangout as civilians and not just superheroes.

This starts at the end of #22 when Donna Troy is given a name, a backstory (one of many), a new apartment, a roommate Sharon, and a makeover. Dick and Wally was previously named in #83 of The Brave and the Bold, but Roy gets named in #24. In a way, this makes Donna feel very much like the living center of the Titans for me, her development begins with the Titans and she's intrinsically tied to it very personally (and this also feels reflected in how Garth views Donna as the "TITANS FOREVER" among all of them). After all, at this point, there's no separate comics she is in unlike the other 4 main titans. She is also the only single character that appears in every single comic with no exception (other than the very first, but they weren't known as Teen Titans then either).

There aren't so much guests as much as two new permanent members - Lilith who joins right before Mr Jupiter comes into the picture in #25 and Mal who joins right after in #26. During this time, 6 of them are mostly all there and are led and trained by Mr Jupiter. The longest disappearance is when Dick goes to college (from #25-32 except for a single appearance in #28) and occasional disappearance when they stay behind to take care of Mr Jupiter's lab (sometimes it is unexplained but I chalk most disappearance up to this). From #26 onwards, all but 6 issues are not related to Mr Jupiter (#28-29 led by Garth, #31 led by Wally, #34 and #42 led by Donna, and #43). This era also seems to establish Wally (and Donna) as de-facto leader when Dick is not around.

All other guests are really more part-time members such as Hank and Don who do their summer stint from #25-#30, Gnarrk who first appears in #32-33 and comes back in #39, and Garth who appears in #28-29 and #40.

For the first time (as far as I'm aware), a known villain gets brought into the story - Ocean Master (Orm) and an alien leader Mofo in #28-29 with Garth going after him. This part also established the easy-to-get-into-fights, easy-to-get-out-of-fights (among themselves) dynamics that I associate with the Titans. They start to place more importance on their insecurities and friendship.

There are also 2 main "friends get brainwashed" (for extended period) type storyline during this period of time (which later seems to become quite commonplace among the Titans): once with Donna (#34 which Wally doesn't see) and once with Garth (#40).

This is also the only era which has quite a lot of additional separate solo storylines. It start with Donna if you count "The Origin of Wonder Girl" in #22 (although it's kind of more like an additional story where everyone appears), and then Wally and Garth (with Tula) in #30. Garth (#30, #35, #36, #38) and Lilith (#36, #38, #41, #43) have the most with 4 each, Roy (#35, #38) and Hank&Don (#31, #39) have two each, and Mal (#35) and Dick (#36) have one each (like Donna and Wally). Superboy (young Clark) actually also has two - one with Dick (#36) and one with young Ollie (#37) that doesn't even have any of the Titans in it.

Crucially, contrary to how modern comics love to portray Batman and Robin's view on the Teen Titans, Batman actually fully supports the Teen Titans in the original and has never been shown to do otherwise almost at all. In fact, he is the one with the most team-ups with the Teen Titans and the team-ups almost always happen because he needs helps "relating to the teens" and he specifically calls on them, with full respect for them (even purposely allowing Wally and Donna to punch him real hard that one time to solidify their cover). The only mentor who does show disapproval is actually Aquaman (in Era 3), who does so because Garth gets mysteriously sick which he blames on the Teen Titans (sort of half-correctly).

Interestingly, up to this point there are actually more team appearances of what I'm calling Alternative 5 or Alt5 (Wally, Donna, Roy, Lilith Mal) than of Fab5 (Dick, Wally, Donna, Garth, Roy). In fact, up to this point there were 12 appearances of Alt5 over 5 appearances of Fab5. This is mostly because Roy and Garth actually have very little team-ups because Roy became a permanent basically the same time that Garth stopped being a permanent member.

Titans Villains (other than Ocean Master hat one time) in this era: Hell's Hawks, Harry Tout, Dr Pauling, Councilman Buckminster (Santa Claus), Demoness possessing Magda Drachwyck (Miss Wickersham), Calibano Della Loggia (x2), Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Black Earl of Moray, Captain Barstow's Phantom, Lord Beetle

Era 3: When Fab5 was Defined, More Teammates, Teen Titans West, and Splitting Up

Teen Titans (1966) #44-53 The Brave and the Bold (1955) #149

There was a more than 3 years gap from the last issue #43 in February 1973 to issue #44 in November 1976 which translated to a 2 year in-comic hiatus of the Teen Titans. There's also a change of regular writer from (mostly) Bob Haney to Bob Rozakis. All this culminated in a change in tone of the characters being a bit more aggressive and antagonistic towards each other, especially with Roy (note: Snowbirds Don't Fly happened in 1971 so it's not because that occurred in between the break since it actually happened before the break). They fight a lot more this era and the storylines are longer and bleed more into one another.

Another obvious change is that Wally is shown to be way more into Donna than before (in his thoughts especially) instead of their more casual flirting. Wally does eventually confess to Donna who rejects him in this era. The other "official" relationships are Mal/Karen and Lilith/Gnarrk (funnily because Mal/Lilith was a thing for a bit).

In story, Mr Jupiter decides to close shop (unknown reason) and so they broke up, with Mal taking care of the labs and the rest pursuing their individual careers instead as they agreed upon (but Mal is unhappy about). This... doesn't really make sense because I'm not sure what "individual career" Donna has, but never mind.

Lilith is no longer in the main team (later explained that she settled in the West Coast with Gnarrk which is very contradictory to her last statement in #43 that the Teen Titans is her family). Garth comes back from #45 when he is mysteriously summoned by Mal's horn and it's like he never left. He wants to resign in #51 because his insecurities making him physically sick, but he agrees to finish the mission and they all ended up disbanding anyway. Karen appears first in #45 as Mal's girlfriend and joins as Bumblebee in #49, but Duela joins the team first in #46. Because of these lineup changes, Fab5 appearances started to catch up to Alt5 until eventually Alt5 (15 appearances) just barely edges out Fab5 (13 appearances). Interestingly, Dick-Wally-Donna-Roy-Mal actually end up appearing most (17 appearances).

They (it's honestly mostly Dick, Wally, and Donna) discuss the idea of a new headquarters first suggested by Donna in #45 (like I said, she's very much the living centre of the Titans). Dick makes the decision (because he is Leader-Man and Bruce is funding it) to have their headquarters as a restaurant front, Gabriel's Horn (named after Mal's horn given by the angel Gabriel in #45), run by Mal and Roy (the jobless duo apparently) in #46 and they set it up in #49. Mal and Roy also started forming the rock band The Great Frog (a job!) in #45 which plays in their restaurant.

Teen Titans West first meet up and is established in #50 with some familiar faces (Gar, Hank, Don, Lilith, Gnarrk) and some complete newbies (Bette, Ch'al) to the roster. Issues #51 and #52 have the East and West team up, resulting in basically every Titans ever joining with the exception of Tula (but then again, at this point she only appeared in Garth solo story and never in the main storyline). At the end of which, they have a big feast (sponsored by Dick) and decided to part ways to improve and work towards eventually becoming the future Justice League (as they were always meant to).

The final story #53 establishes their origin and formation story which includes Roy, but had Roy basically saying he wanted to be involved only whenever he wanted and not permanently (ahem commitment issues), establishing Fab5 as the clear founders of the Teen Titans in the last issue.

There is a third "friends get brainwashed/used" (for extended period) type storyline with Lilith (#50-52), except she's not evil, but her powers are manipulated for evil. With Duela, there is also the first instance of villain's children in the Titans (in future there is Joey and Rose most prominently), setting up the stage for Titans raising villain's children. They actually brought Two-Face in to visit Duela at least once (right after a crime too???) which is... interesting?

This era has many more appearances of known villains including Dr Light, The Fiddler, Two-Face, and Mr Esper (Captain Calamity). The final issue is where Antithesis first appear (he is a recurring villain or at least comes back in future issues), and the remaining unimportant ones are: The Wreckers, Flamesplasher (x2), Sizematic (x2), Darklight (x2), and Rocket Rollers led by Brian the Brain.

Finally, there are some unexplained mysteries. Where the hell did Mal's horn go since it went missing in #49? Who is the blonde "Little Queen" that Garth meets from #36 (because I don't think it's Nirka McDuff from #40)? Who are Lilith's parents? What's up with Mr Jupiter? Is he Donna's dad (#35)? Do they ever make use of the possibly haunted mansion and fortune they inherited in #43? Why did Mr Jupiter not bother to make Roy, Wally, and Lilith face their fears (#38)? Does he think redheads have no fears? Are we going to address the fact that Lilith is apparently Juliet reborn (#35-36) and decided to give up Romeo (who she was very enamored by for a while) for Gnarrk?

To be continued~

Some Statistics (For Fun)

Most to least appearances, we have:

Donna (60) - only missing from the very first story before they were coined the Teen Titans

Wally (58) - missing from 3 stories all during Mr Jupiter era (twice unknown reasons and once because he is watching the lab)

Dick (54) - missing from 6 issues for his college

Roy (41)

Garth (37)

Mal (28)

Lilith (22)

Mr Jupiter (12) - not a Titan but I was curious so I counted him

Hank and Don (11)

Karen and Duela (8)

Gnarrk (5)

Gar (4)

Bette and Ch'al (3)

Tula (1)

Most to least trio appearances (within Fab5):

Dick-Wally-Donna (50)

Wally-Donna-Roy (38) - the love triangle lmao

Dick-Donna-Roy (33)

Dick/Donna-Wally-Garth (32)

Dick-Donna-Garth / Dick-Wally-Roy trio (31) - DWDG and DWDR limiting factor

Wally/Donna-Garth-Roy (14) - Roy/Wally-Donna-Mal/Lilith have more than this (25, 23, 19, 18)

Dick-Garth-Roy (13) - Fab5 limiting factor

For quartets, Dick-Wally-Donna-Garth (DWDG) quartet (31) ends up exactly equal to Dick-Wally-Donna-Roy (DWDR) quartet (31).

Special note that because of Lilith separation in Era 3, even though Garth is brought back, the Rebirth "OG" line up (Fab 5 + Lilith) actually only has 3 appearances together. On the other hand, Alt 5 + Dick have 9 appearances (but no Garth). World's Finest line up (Fab5 + Karen) have 7 appearances but only 4 of which Karen is actually Bumblebee and fighting with them, while the Silver Age Final line up (Fab5 + Mal) has the most with 10 appearances.

Ultimately, Lilith does still make more sense to me than Karen to balance the team with more girls, because she definitely was there earlier, had more appearance than Karen, and also doesn't have the additional association of joining because of Mal since she predates Mal. That said, the girl with the most Fab5 teamup might actually be Duela who also has 7 appearances with Fab5, all of which she is on their side (although half their issue was trust which wouldn't make so much sense if she was with them from the beginning). The person with most Fab5 teamup is unquestionably Mal though (10). It's curious to see what is more "valid" but my personal opinion is that there is no point in making a Fab6 just let leave it be and acknowledge it as product of its time.

If you want to have a look at the data out of curiosity, it's here.

#teen titans #dick grayson #wally west #donna troy #garth of shayeris #roy harper #garfield logan #hank hall #don hall #lilith clay #mal duncan #karen beecher #duela dent #john gnarrk #bette kane #ch'al andar #tula of atlantis #robin #kid flash #wonder girl #aqualad #speedy #mypost #dc thoughts #uhhh donna and wally both having more appearances than dick somewhat surprised me #i started tracking bcos i got curious whether ultimately someone else will dethrone dick with more titans appearance #which i NEVER expect to be the case especially right from the start but i actually think donna will reign titans supreme #i think new (teen) titans will be when roy dethrones wally but will he dethrone dick? possibly!#i didn't bother with pairs comparison cos there's SO many BUT its def donna&wally > dick&donna > dick&wally #also hank complains that they never called him back after re-forming the titans which is never explained but you could put on robin lmao

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tzigone · 7 months

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Bette Kane relationships that are important to you? Ideas for new supporting characters that would suit her?

For my headcanon reboot, I'm sourcing opinions. I have an idea of what kind of character I want Bette to be (she's been several different things in the comics), but am much hazier on who I want her to interact with and have strong, long-term relationships with.

She's the former Tennis star who left the gig early (leaving money on the table) because she got bored of it after a Golden Slam. Was going to have her study sports medicine at UCLA, then become an orthopedic surgeon (she's pretty much amazing at anything she attempts). She's been playing tennis competitively for years, so would have millions, but not tens of millions, of dollars at this young age. But if you really like, I guess she could keep up tennis instead.

For the record, in this universe Kate Kane debuts as Batwoman in her late 20s, and Dick is only 4 years younger than her. If I keep Bette the same age as Dick (as I was planning to), then Kate as mentor doesn't work for me.

I was thinking about a Titans West sort of thing with Mal and Karen and maybe later Don Hall and Holly Granger. I'd like at least one more member, though, so Bette isn't a third wheel before Don and Holly arrive and after Hank leaves (when Don "dies" - it's a whole thing). Of course, if she's continuing to pursue a career in tennis, this could be less of a thing.

Hank's in D.C. and Gar in New York at this time, so that puts the out as her daily companions.

I love the idea of characters (especially non-team characters) having civilian supporting casts - ordinary people - around them. But I'm not too good at inventing characters.

#Bette Kane #Betty Kane #Flame Bird #Bat-Girl #Kate Kane #Don Hall #Hank Hall #Holly Granger #Karen Beecher #Mal Duncan #Karen Beecher Duncan #Teen Titans #Titans West #Titans

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dcau-incorrect-quotes · 1 year

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Dove: If you don't learn how to control your anger your anger will control you.

Hawk: Put it on a bumper sticker, Don

#source: blue bloods #justice league #dc comics #dcau #justice league unlimited #jlu #incorrect quotes #dc #incorrect dc quotes #incorrect dc comics #hawk #dove #hawk and dove #hank hall #don hall

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joeysmuttonchops · 7 months

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What is the appeal of Hawk and Dove?

i ask myself that every day.

okay serious answer, lets give this a good old college try

Hank and Don

introduced in the 1960s and very much a product of their time, Hank and Don were initially characterized as the two arguments of the Vietnam War. Don being satunchly anti-war/violence and Hank. uh. not that.

here's an incredible panel of the cerebral and nuanced arguments between hawk and dove:

it doesnt get more nuanced than this.

the bickering is almost entirely the point: it's pretty rare to see them actually agree with each other, but despite all their arguing its pretty clear that they trust each other.

their superpowers are theoretically just meant to enhance their preexisting dynamic, which ive already discussed, and i think theres a LOT of potential in the idea that some power looked at them and was like "Your Super Ability Is Codependancy" i think more heroes should have that power thats hilarious

Hank and Dawn

an interesting take on legacy! really often in comics a legacy mantle is passed to family or a partner of some kind, and by having it instead taken by a complete stranger who still wants to uphold that personal legacy (by being the team Hawk and Dove) is unique

do you like snark? do you like stubborness? then dawn granger might be for you! (terms and conditions may apply)

so the "violent angry man is calmed through the Power Of Love" is legitimately a hugely successful trope, and we could discuss the politics of that trope for a very long time, but regardless of that argument it has spawned countless romance novels worth probably millions of dollars. so some people have gotta be into it

i havent dont any holly reading so i couldnt say for her sorry :((

#this were my best guesses?#hawk and dove arent really for me but #yknow. every character is SOMEONES favorite #if anyone has propaganda i am listening <3 #askbox #hank hall #don hall #dawn granger

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sasstrash · 4 months

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absolutely no one:

me: anyway it's really cool that hawk and dove are being included in the movie adaptation of crisis on infinite earths since that crisis is when Don Hall died and Dawn Granger became the new Dove. It's pretty easy to notice in some of the screen shots that while Hank and Dawn are standing near eachother they are not doing anything with one another, Hank in particular is facing away from Dawn with his arms crossed. It's quite possible in the animated movie this is happening extremly close to Donny (or Don Hall) death and may be the first time these two have met. Even though I know they won't be main characters, and may even not have speaking roles I think its going to be really cool to see how they interact.

#i have a problem and its called i tried to keep my blorbos in my head #they dont want to be #hawk and dove #dawn granger #hank hall #don hall #justice league; crisis on infinite earths #sass speaks

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