#fan/creator interaction

[elizabethminkel]

Since the WGA strikes began, the studios have been trying—and failing—to turn fans against the writers (and now the actors). I reported on a very strange SDCC this year, which was full of labor conversations and solidarity along the full spectrum of the fan/creator divide. As one member of SAG-AFTRA told me during an awareness-raising demonstration across from the convention center, “The people that I have met today have been all thumbs-up, V for victory, hugs. We love it, and we’re very pleasantly surprised.”

#wired #fan/creator interaction #sdcc 2023 #san diego comic con #wga strike #sag strike #wga strong #labor #entertainment industry

[fansplaining]

Episode 223: The End of the Flourish Era

After nine years of collaborating on Fansplaining, Flourish and Elizabeth mark Flourish’s final regular episode by casting back to the state of fandom when they first met on a panel at San Diego Comic-Con in July of 2015. A decade ago, we were at the height of Hollywood’s “Geek is Chic” arc, facing the rapid mainstreaming of fandom and the beginnings of the “creator-ification” of fanworks. What’s changed for the better—and what’s gotten worse? Plus: in the ultimate ironic twist, Flourish accepts their own personal journey into lurkerdom, a truly fitting end to a podcast run that nearly ended during a fight on the subject 215 episodes ago… 🥰

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#fandom #fansplaining #fan/creator interaction #hollywood #entertainment industry #media #fanfiction #tagging #discord #creator economy #franchises #BYE FLOURISH!!!

[theslowesthnery]

artists, please block liberally. you don't have to put up with people being rude or overfamiliar or inappropriate or otherwise weird in the comments of your art, block anyone who even mildly annoys you

#i mean this goes for everyone but artists especially #someone tried to guilt trip me about blocking another person once #because 'what if that person is a really big fan of yours and really loves your art and now they can't see it anymore' #'you're horrible for depriving them of your art!' well then maybe that person should've not been a fucking dick to me #you don't have to put up with assholes just because you're a creator #if people want the pleasure of seeing and interacting with your content they can learn how to behave

[the-worms-in-your-bones]

Being in podcast fandoms is so weird. Like yeah we’re obsessing over someone who we only know by voice but that’s not going to stop us from making copious amounts of art with varying designs that we all somehow Know are of the blorbo and inevitably adding something that has to do with fucked up eyes. Also the creator of said blorbo is on this site watching us do all those things

#I know some creators interact with fan content less than others but isn’t still like #they can see us #they know we’re insane about the little gay people from the sound waves #tma #hfth #red valley #malevolent podcast #there are many other podcasts but these are the ones that I know of who have a tumblr account or the writer is on tumblr #podcasts

[botlabyrinth]

the percy jackson tv show is actually great when there isn’t a little shit in your ear telling you it’s not “book accurate”

#it’s book accurate enough FOR ME #god can we just try to enjoy something for once #it’s an ADAPTATION. it is not gonna be copy and pasted from the books #but they have the tone and the humor and the CHARACTERS and the themes right #isn’t that what really matters? #and some of yall are acting like they changed the entire plot when really it’s just small changes that service the tv format #and deepen character relationships and interactions #seeing book fans say the movies are better is the most absurd thing i’ve heard in my life… like did we watch the same movies #every single thing the show does wrong is still light years better than every single thing the movies got right #can’t we just enjoy that please #can you tell i’m sick of the nitpicking😭 #anyways maybe try to have fun for once in ur life idk #also ur allowed to have constructive criticism that’s so valid. or criticism at all #ofc u should critique the media u enjoy #but saying it’s not a good adaptation is kinda crazy to me idk #when it’s so clear how much thought was put in by the creators and cast to get it right this time #pjo tv #pjo tv show #pjotv #percy jackson #pjo #percy jackson and the olympians #pjo spoilers #percy jackon and the olympians #ruch rambles #sorry to hide all that in the tags but it feels very angry and i don’t want to be mean😭 i have the crit tag filtered for a reason lol #i’m choosing joy #but i just wanted to put these thoughts out there

[pro-sipper]

What do proshippers generally believe about shipping real people? Stuff like creator x creator or celebrity x reader?

That it falls under the umbrella of "you should be allowed to write anything you want". Once again, it's not my personal thing. There's no real life pairing I read for, and the whole "blank x reader" is not appealing to me at all.

But I have no problem with people writing that stuff, or knowing it's out there. I saw someone a while back say that it's basically just writing about another character, and I agree with that. No matter how much a creator posts or how open a celebrity seems with their personal life, we're still only seeing a tiny snippet of their lives. We have no clue who they are when the cameras aren't recording because we just don't know them. And whatever someone chooses to write about is mostly stemming from that particular persona that they happen to put on for the world and that's it. It's completely separate from our reality because they're basically just writing about another made up character

The problem I have, and it's what I imagine most proshippers also take issue with, is when people start blurring the lines between fiction and reality. To me, there's a world of difference between posting something on ao3, and speculating on secret relationships in the comments of someone's youtube video. Or between talking about something on tumblr, and tagging the person directly on twitter.

I just don't understand people who condemn rpf and talk about how gross and invasive it is, but think it's funny to tag celebrities on twitter to bring up (what they think is) cringe-worthy fanfic tropes that people have written them into. Or people who print out fanworks to shove into an actor's face at a meet and greet and ask them what they think about it. That's where the lines get crossed, to me.

I think ao3 and tumblr still have an air of mysticism to them. A little secrecy, a little privacy. In the sense that someone in the public eye would have to put in a little work to find this stuff for themselves. They'd have to go to the site and search themselves up to find anything. As opposed to just about anyone in the world being able to force this content in their line of sight with a simple @ on a site like twitter.

So to me the problem isn't that this content exists. The problem is when people don't know how to keep fandom stuff private. Write all the rpf you want but remember at the end of the day these are real people, not your blorbos. You don't know them. It's inappropriate to say these things to them personally (which yes, also includes tagging them on twitter or in the comments of their videos). But it's also inappropriate to run up to them with other people's content just to say "look what these FREAKS wrote about you!!" And I think people either forget or just genuinely don't care about the latter.

#proship #proshippers #pro ship #proshippers please interact #proshipper #proshipping #rpf #real person fiction #asks #anonymous #sip rambles #i know its so much crazier in this day and age than when i was a kid #with social media and stupid stuff like tiktok basically being a requirement of the job it seems #and celebs posting constantly and having a quick way to interact with fans #or content creators whose entire brand exists on social media apps like tiktok #who seem to be posting 24/7 and broadcasting their whole lives #and i know most of those types of creators mostly have younger followers who probably do very easily get sucked into #feeling like they know that person like thats their friend #and i also dont think that type of creator really discourages those feelings bc... they want followers and $$$ #but idk just write your fic and read it or dont do either and just leave celebs alone irl please please please

[carnivalcarriondiscarded]

if you have some, do you have any headcannons for barnaby?

honestly! not really! i don't have hcs for any of the neighbors!

#the way i interact w/ welcome home is uh... slightly differently than how i interact with more mainstream / company-produced media #like if you compare how i talk about the neighbors/wh to how i talk about characters on say... my dc blog #there's probably gonna be a notable Difference! #with mainstream/company stuff i go Hog Wild with hcs and aus and i form my own version of everything in my head #(while still understanding & respecting canon as the true source) #but wh is Different! i can't really do that! #it isnt some big production created by a team & mass released #where the actions of some fans just fuckin around and having fun won't directly affect anyone or even reach the ears of the creators #and where upon releasing it everyone Knows that its gonna be dissected & torn to shreds & played with like barbies #wh is more... personal? there is one main creator. these are His characters. its Their story. #i can't in good conscience make headcanons and honestly? id much rather stick to canon trivia & facts than create my own #theyre not my facts to create or believe in!! #sometimes ill make a post saying 'hey this would be cute / neat' #but as soon as i post im tossing that thought away. i dont let them stick or become hcs #(NOTE THAT I AM NOT BASHING ANYONE WHO MAKES HCS. THIS IS ALL MY PERSONAL OPINION!!! MY OWN PERSONAL INTERNAL RULES!!! FOR ME!) #rambles from the bog #like even with the lights out au im being careful with it. im trying to be faithful & respect the characters and the source #its an... exploration i think #ive never approached making an au this way bc usually im just flinging characters around and treating canon as a chew toy - scrap for parts #but i cant do that here! im Not Complaining At All im simply stating! i cant! #sorry you probs weren't expecting a lil mini rant in tags my b <3 #this has just been in my head since i first discovered welcome home #i remember feeling myself start getting really attached & interested #and i recall telling myself 'ok. we cant approach this the way we would other things' #and i have done my best to Stick To That. ive relaxed a lil since then but im still standing by my one rule #Be A Little More Normal About This Than I Would If It Were Mainstream / A Company-Made Production

[sonknuxadow]

my feelings on sonic boom (the show to be specific, im not really familiar with the games. #fakefanalert) are so complicated these days like there are things i like about sonic boom. i wouldnt revisit it every time i cant find anything else to watch if i hated it . but sometimes the characterizations in boom really bother me . like i dont think their personalities being a bit different is an inherently bad thing i understand its an alternate universe where the characters have been living completely different lives, and its also a comedy show so things are often gonna be exaggerated for the joke. but i hate how some of these characterizations that do not work well for the mainline characters impact peoples view of those versions of the characters anyway and sometimes even bleed into the games themselves

basically every time i see someone call knuckles a himbo or amy a girlboss mom friend i look at sonic boom and go THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#like (game) knuckles isnt stupid youre ignoring all context of his actions if you think he wa sjust being stupid #amy doesnt have to be ''mature'' to be a good character let her be a kid for the love of god #and maybe its not really fair to blame sonic boom's impact on the show itself because the creators of the show had no control over that #but. i do think there are times in the show where it feels like whoever is writing the episode #doesnt really have much respect for the characters or source material. i cant think of any specific examples off the top of my head though #it definitely doesnt help much that sonic boom came out in that really weird 2010s era where sega was acting like. #embarrassed of themselves and trying to appeal to people who hate sonic instead of actual sonic fans #and the official sonic social media accoutns were basically just meme pages where they would make fun of their own games #and interact with the game grumps and be like ''lolll remember sonic 06. that game sucked so bad'' #because it was funny and trendy to hate sonic. i mean it still kinda is but it was a lot worse back then

[aquaquadrant]

if you haven't seen it yet PLEASE check out tango's latest vod ("Hermitcraft - GREAT times with Scar!") timecode 00:17

there is an (unintended) htp reference im going crazy about rn

[transcript:

Tango: Impulse named his horse Bdubs Noodle? He thought I could name my horse Skidoodle? That does rhyme, Noodle and Skidoodle... I thought you're say he uhh... named his horse Dbubs. Which is my new nickname for him. Dbubs.]

HAH i did actually hear him do that on a stream last month, so it’s nice to see he’s keeping up the trend 😂 between that and joe suggesting “bx” as a name for an xb alter ego i’m like damn…. i shoulda chose more inventive names for my helsmits hagajdhahs

#hels to pay au #HTP ask #the jumpscares are real #i’m not someone who wants the creators to interact w my fan work #so thank god tango is scared of tumblr LMAO

[fansplaining]

Episode 215: The Broken Contract

In Episode 215, “The Broken Contract,” Flourish and Elizabeth look at the sorry state of television in 2024, where the streaming revolution has devolved into sudden cancellations, deleted or shelved shows, opaque viewer numbers, and very little stability for audiences—and especially fans—to get invested in something new. How can fans build fandoms—and, for that matter, how can TV creators build the works themselves—when executives are constantly pulling the rug out from under them? Plus: they respond to a pair of letters about the previous episode, on AI and dealing with a negative AO3 comment, respectively.   

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#fandom #fansplaining #television #entertainment industry #streaming era #fan/creator interaction

[anti-spop]

i never really thought of this but like... the way nate interacts with the spop fandom is kinda weird

#idk how to properly explain this #but like #he seems a little immature #y'know like #validating every single headcanon the fans have even though it might contradict the show #nate acts more like a fan of the show than the creator if that makes sense #like compare him to dana terrace or rebecca sugar #i mean it's cool to see creators interacting with fans #but there needs to be some boundaries y'know? #(AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD i don't mean this is like predatory) #(i mean like. dude you're a grown adult. act like it) #anyway i hope this made sense lmao #i post

[warningsine]

No one on "GLOW" was even remotely kidding around when it came to Ruth and Debbie, huh?

Alison Brie calling them the "central will they, won't they" of the series.

Calling their season 3 relationship an "affair."

"Any heightened romantic moments between them are my dream!"

"[The new romance for Ruth] made me very uncomfortable, and I think I was just very protective of the Ruth and Debbie relationship."

"In season 1, the love story was Ruth and Debbie."

Liz Flahive and Carly consider Ruth/Debbie the "will they, won't they" of their series. Also, like Alison Brie they called Ruth and Debbie's relationship the "affair of season 3."

Betty Gilpin saying that Ruth is the love of Debbie's life.

Ruth should find it in her heart to accept Debbie's proposal.

BG: The moment that Debbie sees Ruth get on that plane, she's like, "Oh, the most magnificent thing I did with my life is loving her. And I didn't know that until it was over."

Also BG:

"Couple's therapy."

“I think that Ruth and Debbie's friendship ran deeper than Debbie’s marriage did.”

(x)

Victor Quinaz (the coproducer/actor who portrayed Russell Barroso and wrote an episode):

#debbie x ruth #ruth x debbie #glow #betty gilpin #alison brie #victor quinaz #and this is only scratching the surface of their interviews #and then you have so many professional critics/reviewers calling them the 'romance of the series' like yes validation #I do think sometimes fans read too much into scenes/interactions etc. bc of wishful thinking but this is a 'no smoke without fire' case #the romantic undertones WERE there and the creators WERE aware of them #(no I'm not implying they did this maliciously)

[horse-head-farms]

I am crossing my fingers hypno and xb base together or be neighbors or something in this season 10 starting village. I mean they probably won't since they just did that in vault hunters and have already sorta done that in a previous season (hc 8) BUT I am still holding out hope. I have gotten too used to seeing them together on a weekly basis because of vault hunters. I will get withdrawal symptoms

#there are some other pairings I would love to see more this season: gem + hypno and cleo + xb for sure #i also think it would be hysterical if xb and keralis were to base together. the innuendoes... imagine. they deserve to be roommates #just to be clear this is being dramatic (though I do like their interactions for obvious reasons) and whatever they do idc as long as #they're having fun and not getting burnt out. i hate fans who are dicks to a creator for not doing what they want #but I am just very hyped! woo! #would love to hear what everyone else is hoping for #hhf

[yeehawfolk]

So something that really bothers me about the current creative world (idk a better word for it, I've seen a bunch of places where its prevalent, from fandom to games to books to shows) is this insistence from creators/fans that they HAVE to engage with negative posts about them. Like, I don't mean people going up to them and sending asks/reblogging/retweeting their posts about it, but I mean people who otherwise aren't doing anything to the creator, just talking about frustrations on their socials.

There's this like. Idk what to call it except shared point of view that its ~cool~ to dunk on people who don't like your thing. And like, if someone is coming directly for the creators, its different, but its almost like you can't complain on your social media sites about things you don't like because otherwise the author/mod/creator will troll the tag and get up in your face about it? It's kind of weird and invasive for creators to do that to people who aren't actually seeking them out, ya know? It's like. Why do you even care if someone doesn't like it or they disagree with someone on the thing? Why do you feel the need to interact with negative views of your thing instead of just letting them fall to the wayside?

Now that its becoming more of a widely-accepted Thing, it really puts me off interacting with fandoms at all. I'm going to preface this by saying: I am autistic and I have ADHD. This results in poor emotional regulation, and sometimes when I get annoyed/mad/upset or something, I make a post about it on my blog. It's a way to deal with the struggles I face with my emotions as an autistic person that (if you don't go looking for it) doesn't hurt anyone. You can argue its not pretty, but when I'm talking to myself, on my own social media account, then I don't think you can make the argument that I'm targeting whoever I talk about. Unless they decide to hop up on my post, which is what I've seen a lot of creators nowadays doing.

And you can argue its their job to look at the online communities centered around them, which is totally fair! But what ISN'T their job is finding people in those communities that disagree or have negative opinions on the creator, and putting them on blast to fans. Just leave them alone if they're not directly coming for you. They're not hurting you if they're talking about it on their personal social media sites.

Like. I feel like in creator's haste to interact with their fans, its created this weird social dynamic where they can't leave things alone. They HAVE to release a statement about That One User. They HAVE to try and clown on someone who doesn't like them. And its just. Very frustrating for people who have more of the autistic/ADHD traits that are considered "ugly" (poor emotional regulation, anger as a first response, not being able to articulate, etc.) that are trying to keep it away from others and in their own little corners. And this current Vibe fandom has about it is very, very disappointing. So many people act like its perfectly fine for creators to do this because they, too, like to clown on someone who doesn't like their faves.

I think creators need to leave disgruntled fans alone. It does nothing for the creator except increase engagement with that particular post, but opens up the person they interacted with to whatever rabid fans would like to bite them that day.

#cas talks #the vivziepop post bothered me and i finally figured out why #it's because its becoming a big thing now for creators to dunk on fans who dont like them for engagement with other fans #and its. kind of bleak ngl #why should i have to worry about my post being put on blast for die hard fans to get mad over? #because the creator has some moral imperative to prove disgruntled fans wrong??? #call me crazy but i dont think that should ever be a thing ever #and the fact its becoming a thing is making me feel like i would rather die than interact with creators in their own fandoms #¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I might just be overthinking things but. im v sad about how its been catching on the last few years

[yesimpletonyt]

Intro

What's good, Tumblr?

YourEverydaySimpleton, here. Welcome to my blog!

If you don't know me yet, I'm an Ace Attorney content creator on YouTube, who makes some stories using objection.lol . I currently have an ongoing series called Phoenix Wright: Courtroom Clownery, and I created this blog to post updates and releases of my episodes.

What exactly is Courtroom Clownery?

Courtroom Clownery is an Ace Attorney fan series I made with objection.lol, including YouTube videos and playable cases alike. The last episode I have released as of right now is the penultimate episode of season 2. If you'd like a brief synopsis, look no further!

Season 1, The Survivor's Forest Case: Phoenix Wright has seen his fair share of absurd cases in this timeline, but a development on a missing persons case from his past tells him that it's far from over. Through the power of sheer nonsense, he must reforge old bonds, investigate the unknown, make his case, and prevent a scheme to erase the past as he knows it.

Season 2, Game of Secrets: In the aftermath of the Survivor's Forest Case, Phoenix Wright learns that the truth comes at a cost. When a former defense attorney becomes the subject of a new missing persons case, the lawyering world is on edge. Little did they know that they would be next, as Phoenix Wright and his colleagues find themselves kidnapped and taken to the set of an alleged "game show." Now with their memories locked away, they realize that the past isn't done with them yet. Now with playable cases, and new episodes dedicated to unlocking the true past of Courtroom Clownery, you're coming along for the ride.

"It gets better with every episode!" - Something along the lines of what my reviewer said to me.

Here's the link!

#ace attorney #objection.lol #fan series #youtube #interactive novel #visual novel #ace attorney fangame #fangame #content creator #writing #new project #mystery #comedy #fan creations #yes season 2 is inspired by what you think it is

[star-mum]

If i had a nickle for everytime a loved 2000s/2010s latino show was rebooted by Netflix for American/english speaking audiences, I’d have 2 nickles.

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it’s happened twice

#this isn’t hate for either one of the new shows #specially JATP because the creator/producer/idr is a really big fan of the OG show and cast #ngl i was a bit bitter when it was first announced but seeing interviews with him made me feel better #but there’s just SOMETHING about the OGs #also — what triggered this post actually — WHY DO THESE GRINGOS GET FANFICTION FOR THIS MEDIA BUT I DONT ???? #like there’s literally ONE og Rebelde x reader fic #and i have never seen any Julie e os Fantasmas fics - specially x reader things #and i dont wanna read about these new bitches (respecfully) I DONT KNOW THEM #*sitting here kicking my feet waiting for my (1) brazilian mutual to see this and interact :3 #this was also prompted by me watching Rebelde for the first time #it’s really good yall #netflix did yall dirty by not adding it to the catalogue