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victorie552 · 3 months

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Ok, so Noldolantë, "The Fall of the Noldor" is a lament composed by Maglor about what happened before, during and after First Kinslaying at Alqualondë. It's such a good song that it's played regularly in Aman and Valar listen to it often (I swear, I swear it was in the Silmarillion I just can't find it now).

It's also a more or less common fanon that Maglor continues writing Noldolante through the whole First Age. Makes sense - it's about fall of the Noldor, and Noldor did a lot of falling back then.

Headcannon time: So my first thought was that Noldolante must a long, long, long epic of a song. So it probably has many parts, right? Iliad has 24 books/parts, somehow I think Noldolante would be at least just as long, and there are longer epics. And again, just like Iliad, unless you're a scholar, in the daily life you don't really listen to/read the whole thing, just reread and repeat the most dramatic fragments. What I'm trying to impress upon you all is that the story would have different segments, or chapters, if you will.

And if Maglor continues to write the story during the FA, there would absolutely be a moment in the lament where the OG Noldolante becomes Noldolante 2, and even Noldolante 3. There may be the same musical motif or something, I decided that Maglor IS that good of a bard to keep it all consistent enough so you know it's all the same story, but the style changes a lot - it's been 400 years in the making, let The Music Elf have fun!

So, Point 1: Many, Many Parts, basically Maglor's FA WIP

My second thought was that, while Feanor invented his alphabet, elves learned their history mostly through oral tradition aka songs and spoken stories. Noldolante is definitely a historical record, where a historical event was archived for future generations.

(It was a also a way to deal with grief, guilt and blame Maglor and all Noldor have faced regarding First Kinslaying - free therapy! But that's not what this post is about)

Archived.

My 2.5 thought was that Noldolante isn't just recallings of how pretty and horrified the beach looked during the murdering or how mad and sorrowful the sea was at everyone during the voyage or even how awesome and charismatic Feanor looked during his speeches that every single Noldo was ready to fight Morgoth barehanded in his name - no, this is a record of who killed who, who got killed by whom, and how.

Noldor and Teleri knew each other (were friends, even!) before the First Kinslaying, so I'm confident that after a lot of interviews, detective work, and cross-referencing, Maglor could and would create a very good... name list. Practically every Noldo and Teler present during First Kinslaying would get a stanza in a song, more if he killed someone, most if he killed many people. Killers and killed would show up twice, first in a fragment listing the killers and their victims, then in a part listing the victims and their murderers. Basically it's the same thing twice, but from different POVs. With when, where and how included.

(It was seen to be in bad taste to compare kills during Maglor's Regency, when most of his interview-part work happened. People did it anyway. There were a Saddest Kill, Funniest Kill, and Weirdest Kill discusions. There was a Tier List. These were weird times to be a Feanorian Noldo.)

(It WAS in Bad Taste, but at least people talked about it. I cannot stress enough how much free therapy this lament provided)

(Little did they know, when Teleri started getting reembodied in Aman, they had very similar discussions, but more in a "I can't believe he killed me like THAT" way. Long, long, long after the First Age. Noldolante is a gift that keeps giving)

So, Maglor had all the historical grith and no common shame to create a "We Killed All These People And We Feel Bad About It" banger of a song, and every Noldo had a very personal reason to at least remember the fragments they are in. It's a hit on a scale never seen before.

(I'm not sure how to tackle the issue of Nolofinweans and Arafinweans learning about Noldolante after crossing the Ice. But there were discussions. There was anger, there was "????", there was controversy. Basically, the song got bigger and bigger rep no matter what your opinion on it was. By the time of Mereth Aderthad it was an important cultural and political piece and at least Fingon's forces were included in the main song. It had parodies.)

Point 2: Archive Function/Kill count storage. Cultural phenomen, every Noldo included

This is where my personal nonsense begins: Main Noldolante was done, there was nothing more to say about First Kinslaying, all killings and deaths were well documented.

But the Siege started. And the Noldor kept dying.

It was less dramatic than it sounded - between the big battles the siege was maintained, but orc raids also happened and sometimes one to few Noldor died in skirmishes. The legal procedure was to document the death of a fellow elf and send a word to king Fingolfin. The cultural procedure, technically started by Feranorians but adapted by many more, was to send the name, common characteristics and cause of death to Maglor's Gap. After few months, King Fingolfin would send reinforcements, short condolences and financial compensation if they had family. After few months, family of an elf would also receive a personal lament for them and a place for them in a Noldolante.

Yes, every lament Maglor created in that time was technically part of the Noldolante. Noldolante 1.5, if you will. Laments make in that time were very customized, and simpler than Noldolante Main, but were still considered a part of the same song. Of course, nobody was expected to know and remember laments for every single Noldo, younger Noldor born in Beleriand could even only know fragments about their family members. Only Maglor would ever know Noldolante in full, but it was understood that everyone had their place in The Song.

The results of Great Battles were harder to document, but Maglor did that. Of course, Dagor Bragollach was hard on him personally, but he worked his way through.

(High King Fingon forbade creating laments for his father. There were no songs for Fingolfin. Apart from in Noldolante, of course. Of course. Maglor did not share the lament with anyone, but he sat long hours and many nights with a blank paper before him, looking at the candle flame and thinking of the past and the future. The song unsung, but there)

Nirnaeth was... Maglor was never more hated and more approached at the same time than then. Still, Noldolante grew and grew, as if people knew the end was near.

It was Second Kinslaying that destroyed the myth of Maglor's song. Feanorians didn't know the Sindar they killed, but surely, they couldn't just left their names unmentioned like they did with orcs? So, Noldor talked, but the battle happened in caves - it wasn't uncommon to find dead bodies in empty rooms, with no witnesses to what happened. Surviving Sindar didn't want to share any names, even when Maglor strong-armed some into talking with him, and good for them. Maglor made a big lament anyway. Maglor, wild, with no shame and dead brothers, with legacy crumbling around him. Noldolante, with holes.

After Third Kinslaying, Noldor didn't want to talk. Lament for Sirion didn't have any names. Clearly, songs weren't a way to go anymore, it was always about live witnesses. And so Maglor raised the twins.

Lament for Maedhros was sung repeatedly. There was no one to hear it.

Point 3: Only Maglor knows Noldolante in full. But that doesn't matter, because everyone knows the important part: the Noldolante is finished. The Star of Hope rises in the West and the story goes on. The Fall has ended.

#silm #silmarillion #noldolante #maglor #yet another post that went in different direction than I planned #started with meta went into headcannon and ended with fanfic angst #I wanted to end it with crack!!!#I mean. I mean #it all makes kind of some sense if we're talking about elves here #but guys Noldor had Men and Dwarves as allies #Maglor would want them in his Historical Record song #I think with Dwarves they would mainly refuse when he asked them if they wanted a part in Noldolante #so maybe he would only get some allies and personal friends of Maedhros in #but Men #guys Men. they would agree and they would make lists and it would become Clown City so fast #but Sons of Feanor aren't known for their ability of knowing when to quit #so Maglor has a Noldolante 3.0 Standard Version with 254 Parts that has Elves and an Occasional Dwarf Only #and Special Version Noldolante Deluxe Extra Edition with 547398134 Parts that includes Men #everyone is included you don't have to die in battle #all common causes of death have a dedicated jingle to them #to the point you know a man's cause of death after 3 notes #these parts of Noldolante well the music bit actually survived into the Fourth Age #the words are gone but the music is played at funerals in some places #The Noldolante Main survived only in parodies though #actually Finished Noldolante is a very good thing huh #as in no more Fall of The Noldor #they can finally catch some break #I believe that during Maglor's Regency Era all Noldor did was Processing. and breeding horses.#Noldolante? more like Maglor Finally Discovers Shame: A Story #I think some personal revelations on legacy and connections between children and life's works would be made

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amathris · 3 months

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#art #artists on tumblr #fanart #the lord of the rings #silmarillion #lotr fanart #tolkien #tolkien elves #maedhros #maitimo #the silm fandom #silm #silm art #feanorians #noldor #noldolante

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melestasflight · 1 year

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Finrod and Maglor compose the Noldolantë

An illustration of a scene from Voices That Were Once Ours created by the amazing @wombywoo. Fic snippet below the cut.

Perhaps it is that very realization of the briefness that dictates life in these lands. That joy must be snatched from fleeting moments before they float away like withered leaves down the Sirion.

At long last, his heart misgives him, and when Makalaurë’s invitation arrives to journey east, Finrod accepts.

He has not seen Maglor, as he is now known, since the feast of the Mereth Aderthad, and even that encounter lacked the intimacy of friendship. What little he knows has come from Angrod’s visits or Celegorm’s letters, almost all having to do with enemy movements or breeding horses from Maglor’s herds. All valuable knowledge for a King in times of siege, but not what Finrod wants to know.

What does the Lord of the Gap sing about these days? Are there songbirds in the flatlands to rest upon his finger?

From Voices That Were Once Ours

#finrod #finrod felagund #maglor #fingolfin #lalwen #fingon #celegorm #noldolante #mithrim #maglor's gap #inspired by art #wombywoo art #my writing #the silmarillion #silmarillion #lotr #tolkien

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autailome · 4 months

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on fëanor, making and unmaking

from splintered light by verlyn flieger

#e #splintered light #verlyn flieger #tolkien #silmarillion #silm #feanor #feanaro #jrr tolkien #y'all seem to like the splintered light quotes soooo have more #noldolante #lotr #tolkien studies

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solmarillion · 1 year

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i personally think maglor didn’t commit enough war crimes. he needs to commit twice the number of war crimes so he can release his next album. i’ve been waiting for too many ages for even his next single. let me make him worse

#maglor #makalaure #silmarillion fandom #silm shitpost #feanorians #noldolante #silmarillion memes

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maironsmaid · 1 year

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Folks, is it problematic to sing the Noldolante?

#it's a rubber #silmarillion #maglor #jolkien rolkien rolkien tolkien #noldolante #ai

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thepinkseat-askthemoonbunny · 1 year

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Noldolantë is basically “We Didn’t Start The Fire” elf version…except Maglor and his family did start the fire.

#headcanon #noldolante #fall of the noldor #Maglor #makalaure #billy joel #we didn’t start the fire #except we did #silmarillion #Tolkien #jrr tolkien

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ettelenethelien · 2 months

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Beleriand Dashboard Simulator • part 3

Part one, part two

🔆 hador-lomin following

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wait, are @turin-deactivated4841207 and @outlaw-neithan-deactivated4880911 the same person as @mormegil?

⚔️ adanedhel

Not really my business to say, seeing as I'm neither of these, but people have reasons for changing blogs/names/URLs. If this was true and if I was that person I would be very annoyed at whoever posted such a thing for everyone to see.

#please take it down for general safety of people who might need it

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⚓ nenil-noriel

I am sick and tired of Gondolindhrim complaining they're bored. How about you try living here and fighting orcs for a while? I'd be glad to switch.

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I'll let you know we fought alongside everyone in the Nirnaeth.

⚓ nenil-noriel

Sure, do pat yourself on the back for doing the bare minimum.

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👰🏼‍♀️ celebrin following

Guess who got engaged today?!!! 💕💍🥰

#no one even got ordered to bring a Silmaril lol #so I dare say it went perfectly #!!! #can you tell I'm excited?

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🎼noldolanteyy following

thinking of changing my url (for pretty obvious reasons)

#doriath kinslaying

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🎼musiquendil-former-noldolanteyy following

No, really, this is the worst time ever to be a musician. I'm not pretending that the way he let us down is in any way worse than everything else Maglor Feanorion has done, but...

Can we separate art from the artist when the art itself is so interwined with the artist's deeds? Can we appreciate the noldolante itself ignoring that it was entirely a lie, regrets that apparently didn't stop him from committing the same evil over again?

But it is impossible to cut oneself away from all influence Maglor Feanorion has had on our music. And even keeping to the apolitical pieces, should we ignore the person of the artist? Does it help anything?

It's like the famous Fëanorian lamps debate all over again. Do we change the name since we're uncomfortable using it? Do we try to forget who was their creator - but is that even ethical, no matter what evil he wrought? Or is that maybe wrong? Maybe, if we use the lamps, we should be discomforted?

#I really don't know how to approach this

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👰🏼‍♀️celebrin following

So, we've arrived at the havens. I thank you all for the condolences, thoughts and prayers... I still don't know what to do from now on, but I guess maybe I can finally rest a bit. And mourn.

To all the people asking, yes, my husband and son are thankfully okay; this is the one silver lining. My son seems to have made a friend already...

#personal #gondolin

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🕊️queenelwing-unofficial

putting this under cut so I can delete this later, but please have a passionate rant about how a girl actually feels about receiving missives from the people who killed her parents.

#honestly why do they presume I might want to actually meet with them #though tbh now that the anger's worn of I'm mostly afraid #and of course my husband *has* to be gone right now... #I'll probably delete all this tomorrow but I couldn't help myself

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isilwhore · 10 months

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@tolkiengenweek Day Four: Solo/Work and Craft/Language

Maglor writing the Noldolantë

A difficult memory to revisit, though expressing it in words becomes somewhat therapeutic. He hides this work from his brothers to spare them additional grief.

#tolkiengenweek #maglor #noldolante #the silmarillion #Tolkien #sons of Feanor #silm art

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marhelf · 2 months

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The Eagle Wing.

An eagle and an elf

2024

#tolkien fanart #tolkien elves #silmarillion #watercolor #my art #silmarillion fanart #tolkien #maedhros #noldolante #elf

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nevermindigotthis · 1 year

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Maglor the Mighty Singer

#my art #portrait #maglor #silmarillion #sons of feanor #feanorians #makalaure #silmarillion art #noldolante #tolkien

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thethirdtreeofvalinor · 1 year

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This took me daysss but here’s a condensed version of all Middle Earth books as

We Didn’t Start the Fire

Kanafinwë, Elenwë

Dorthonion, Manwë

Mordor, Númenor, Gondolin Falls

Barahir, Idril, Mîm

Rescue at Thangorodrim

Last Alliance, Valaquenta, Rohan’s Mighty Halls

Dagor-nuin-Giliath

Celegorm, Morgoth’s Wrath

The Fellowship of the Ring

Gil-galad is High King

Fëanor, Maedhros

Darkening of Valinor

Helcaraxë

Alqualondë

Namarië

Goodbye

We didn’t start the fire

It was always burning since the world’s been turning

We didn’t start the fire

No we didn’t light it

But we tried to fight it

Maeglin captured, Durin’s Bane

Pippin is the Shire’s Thain

Arnor, Bilbo, Celebrimbor, Noldor, Túrin

Rivendell, Samwise

Underhill disguise

Mirkwood, Radagast, Smaug, Húrin

Red Book of Westmarch

Wizards sent as old men

There and Back Again

Thuringwethil, Théoden

Doriath, Nargothrond, Finrod Felagund

Mablung of the Heavy Hand

Down goes Beleriand

We didn’t start the fire

It was always burning since the world’s been turning

We didn’t start the fire

No we didn’t light it

But we tried to fight it

Boromir, Bregolas, Nerdanel, Legolas

Aulë, Anduin, Misty Mountains, Bruinen

Beleg, Ancalagon

Galadriel, Ecthelion

Eärendil is a star, Children of Illúvatar

Frodo Baggins, Elwë, Beregond Eonwë

Carcharoth, Faramir, Aredhel poisoned spear

Turgon, Goldberry, Pelennor, Teleri

Grey Havens’ Shipwright

Bombadil Barrow-wight

We didn’t start the fire

It was always burning since the world’s been turning

We didn’t start the fire

No we didn’t light it

But we tried to fight it

Lórien, Haleth

Indis, Minas Tirith

Elwing, Déagol, Silmarils, Sméagol

Nienor, Thorondor, Caranthir, Gildor

Treebeard, Fingon, Melian, Daeron

Arwen, Celeborn, Boromir, Gondor Horn

Trouble at Amon Hen

Glorfindel lives again

We didn’t start the fire

It was always burning since the world’s been turning

We didn’t start the fire

No we didn’t light it

But we tried to fight it

Kalimac, Lúthien

Annatar’s back again

Dúnedain, Elros

Helm’s Deep, Rauros

Shelob, Tulkas, Vinyamar

Doomsman of the Valar

Sharkey in the Shire, Narya: Ring of Fire

Isildur, Erebor

Wormtongue, Durin’s door

Haradrim, Draughlin

Nazgûl, Éowyn

Elves departing from the shore

Beorn, Third Age Post-War

A Elbereth Gilthoniel

A tiro nin, Fanuilos!

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