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heathersdesk · 2 months

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When I was investigating the Church, I told the people around me I wanted to get baptized after I'd only been to services a few times. I hadn't read much of the Book of Mormon. There were many things I didn't know or understand. But I had felt the Spirit of God and knew that this was the place where I would find God. I knew I was supposed to be baptized.

What was the response?

"You can't do that."

They didn't have missionaries. They didn't have anyone to teach me the discussions. I was coming to Church in a different place from where I lived because of where my friends, who were members and who had invited me, were living.

It got bad enough that I set a date for myself to get baptized and told them they had that long to figure it out and deal with their scruples. And they did.

Then I found out about patriarchal blessings in one of the lessons I had in Young Women. I wanted mine. I went to my branch president and told him that.

"You can't do that."

I hadn't been to church long enough. Could I wait a year? Six months?

But that's not what the lesson I was taught said. It said that if I felt like I was ready, then I could have one. So I showed up outside of my branch president's office every week for over a month to ask again. Finally, he talked to the stake president, who told him there was no rule or timeline mandated in the Handbook of Instruction that prevented me from receiving my patriarchal blessing. I finally received it 4 months after I was baptized.

Then I went to BYU. I was in one of my favorite wards I've ever attended. Everyone around me was so kind and supportive. They helped me deepen my knowledge of the restored gospel and the scriptures. And when all the young men in my classes started receiving mission calls, I wanted to as well. I felt "called to the work," and the Doctrine and Covenants said that was enough.

"You can't do that."

They didn't let women serve at 19 at the time. I had to wait. Why? Because I might get married instead. The hypothetical possibility of reserving me for a man was more important than the calling I had received from God.

I had the opportunity to serve in the temple regularly for the first time in my life. I was from an area where the temple was two hours away, which meant I got to go only a couple times a year, at most. As the only member in my family, I had many names to do. And as the endowments started piling up, I could feel the weight of my responsibility to get the names done weighing on me. I didn't have a ward full of endowed people to rely on in my student wards. It was just me. And the more I went to the temple, the more I craved that divine closeness, the spiritual support for how much harder it was for me to be a member of the Church than it was for everyone else. I was totally on my own, no support from large extended families like they had. I needed more support to come from somewhere. So I started asking to receive my endowment.

"You can't do that."

I needed to be getting married (preferably, in their minds) or serving a mission to get endowed. That was the rule at the time. It didn't matter that I already wanted to serve a mission. It would be so much more special if I could go with my husband! Didn't I see that? My life was just supposed to stay on hold for him, whoever he was. The idea that I would have a spiritual development and progression separate from his was a totally foreign idea at the time, and wasn't reason enough for me to receive my own endowment. Meanwhile, as the ordinances in my own family backed up higher and higher because I was in student wards with no access to the endowment or other endowed people, I was just stuck and alone.

Then the identity of the mysterious young man I would eventually marry was revealed to me. Hurray! And we both went on missions. We were planning our wedding. And after years of alienating my family with all the milestones of my adult life they didn't get to witness because I was *IN UTAH* thousands of miles away, I wanted to have a ring ceremony so they could at least watch me get married.

"You can't do that."

And every reason I was given, especially the one that it took away from the validity and the sacredness of my temple sealing, was later disavowed when they did away with this rule.

ALL OF THIS TO SAY, I've been in the Church for almost 18 years. I have seen so many changes come into the Church and its culture in that time. The things that were impediments to me as a young believer and convert are no longer there, in part because I left so many bloody knuckle prints on heaven's door, pleading for these things to change. Heaven bore witness to how many times I was told "You can't do that" by my own community—with shallow, indefensible reasons for why my journey needed to be so much harder and lonelier than it needed to be.

Changes like these do not come about simply by waiting. They come because the faithful, especially those who are most affected by the lack of change, keep praying and pleading with heaven for change. The hurt goes on the altar because it never should've been mine to carry. Let God witness it. Let him see, feel, and know the burdens I bore in his name, solely at the behest of my community whose reasoning for it was poor and indefensible, because it all came down to a single failure: they couldn't begin to imagine the impacts of their choices were having on me. And until they could begin to understand it, they could never conceive of why their status quo needed to change. Their ignorance and desire to remain in what was familiar and comfortable was a form of bondage to me. That was true.

But what was equally true was that there was nothing wrong or evil in pushing back against all of that, with all the strength I possessed. I would live to see so many of these stumbling blocks I encountered change for those who came behind me. Young people in my church community today don't have to make many of the same choices I did anymore—and thank God for that! I called down the powers of heaven to me to witness these burdens so no one else would ever have to carry them again! I have been witness to the power that these prayers—my prayers—have had to build the kingdom of God on the earth by affecting these changes.

And we're not done. There are many more such changes that need to come to fruition , including (but not limited to) making the Church fully accessible to everyone in our community. Our LGBTQIA+ and disabled people, our women and single Saints, our marginalized, abused, and forgotten in communities of color all over this world.

The kingdom of Heaven is not built, our work is not finished, until ALL are safely gathered in. That is, until they all CAN be safely gathered in. Until all that resists unity, diversity, equity, and inclusion that will define Heaven are removed by the Saints, whose job it is to build that kingdom. To never say again to someone who is trying to come to Christ "You can't do that."

Because with enough time, and effort from the Saints, you'll find they can, in fact, do that.

#mormon #mormonism #lds #tumblrstake #the church of jesus christ of latter day saints #religion #faith #queerstake

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garoujo · 1 year

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HOW LONG THEY LAST DURING NNN — TOKYO REVENGERS

feat : hanma shuji, haitani rindou, sano manjiro, sano shinichiro + sanzu haruchiyo

♱ warnings — f!reader, how long they last during no nut november, teasing, hanma walks in on you, lingerie in rindou’s, bonten timeline except shinichiro ofc. / note. snifle i feel like it’s been so long since i’ve done hcs 4 tokrev i miss it <3 ! jjk version / bllk version

・✶ ｡ﾟHANMA SHUJI — NOVEMBER 17TH

hanma did it just to push his own limits honestly (and yours), thought it would be thrilling — something fun to do after a long day of knocking peoples teeth out. but he was a little twisted in his own little way, edging himself and deliberately teasing himself (and you). he thought it was amusing to give his cock a few quick strokes before tucking it into his expensive slacks, a wicked smirk on his lips when he’s rolling his bulge against your figure a few moments later as he drapes himself over you, pressing kisses along the sensitive spots in your neck with a chuckle as he teases you. “you want me to fuck you, yeah? tell me how much, babydoll.” “so much..” you gasp with a particularly sharp thrust of his hips before he leaves you entirely. “ohhhh, what a shame.”

it almost felt like you were doing the challenge along with him, he’d broken you that way — unable to make yourself cum unless it’s under his touch and cock, digging the orgasm out of you. that’s when hanma breaks, when he returns from a particularly long mission to find you spread out on his sheets, fingers buried in your drooling little pussy as you whine and cry for him while he stands in the doorway — amber eyes wide with need before his signature smirk accompanies the look.

“you’re a cruel little thing, babydoll. didn’t know i was playing with such a little fucking tease. has my pussy missed me, ‘s that it?” hanma grits as he approaches you, already palming his rock fucking hard cock through his slacks as he takes in the sight of you — shaky hand laced with sin swiping away the first pretty tear that streaks down your cheeks before punishment accompanies yours between your thighs. “please shuji.. i miss you. wanna cum.” you gasp, a pretty plea before you choke on a moan with the first swipe of his fingers through your folds. “nuh ugh, gotta hold it in, doll. only place you’ll be cumming is around my fuckin’ cock.”

・✶ ｡ﾟ HAITANI RINDOU — NOVEMBER 14TH

both rindou and ran had agreed to do it, kind of as a joke but also just for bragging rights over the other if one didn’t make it. although when your boyfriend told you he was actually going to do it you almost laughed in his face, whenever he was around he was all over you constantly, palming at your body and nibbling at your skin as he teased the hem of your panties. so you knew he wasn’t going to last long.

but rindou was trying at least, he’d made sure to fuck as many loads into you as possible the night before — right up until 11:59pm because he’d convinced himself that would last him the month. until it’s a day in and he’s shifting uncomfortably on the couch as he watches you just breathe so pretty, making his cock strain and leak against his sweats before he’s groaning and going to the gym to try and distract himself.

ofcourse ran couldn’t help himself when it came to teasing his brother though, so you both had a secret little agreement that would come with you teasing rindou. you wait until you know the cracks are showing, he can barely stay in the same room with you without having to leave — panting like a dog whenever he gets you even a little close. so when he’s lying in bed before going to sleep, you take the opportunity to approach him in your prettiest lilac lingerie — making him snort before he’s letting his palm run across his face. “you gotta be fuckin’ kiddin’ me, princess.” he groans, cock already hard as he peeks through his fingers to look at you with a smirk. “fuck this shit, get over here you fucking tease.” turns out ran lost that same day because rindou also made a little bet with his gf.

・✶ ｡ﾟ MANJIRO SANO / MIKEY — NOVEMBER 9TH

mikey doesn’t know why he agreed to do it, some of the guys were talking about it and after you’d suggested it too — he was like “sure, i guess.” for any normal person looking in at your intimidating boyfriend, they’d think he wasn’t particularly effected — but you know him better than anyone so you know he is. he’s been spending less time at home, more time at work because he can’t deny the way his cock immediately throbs with even just a text from you — his eyes hooded and dark whenever he looks over you and it’s so shameless the way he lets them drag along your body, so fucking slowly so he can drink you up.

but mikey knows he can’t stay away from you for long, it doesn’t take much for him to be making his way through the door to find you still wrapped in your towel form your shower — your skin still damp as beads of water trail along the skin he’s missed so much. that’s all it takes for mikey to give in, to give up as he makes his way towards you — pressing his chest tight against your back as his fingers trail between the fabric that barely covers you anyway.

“manjiro? what about your—ah!” you gasp with the first press of his fingers against your clit, the sensation accompanied by a slow roll of his hips against your ass that makes him whine low against your neck. “don’t care, don’t wanna do it anymore.. it’s boring anyway.” mikey grunts, there’s a trembling undercurrent to his usual clean cut tone that makes your thighs twitch, making you melt into his embrace — content with the feeling of your boyfriend rutting his cock into your bare body as he lets the towel fall and pool around your feet. “gotta feel you.. come on already.”

・✶ ｡ﾟ SANO SHINICHIRO — NOVEMBER 5TH

ofcourse it wasn’t shinichiro’s idea, you really think he’s gonna give up the feeling of your pussy so easily? but wakasa and benkei had convinced him to do it, said they’d stop teasing him about you being out of his league if he managed to survive a month without you. but fuck—he is so fucking needy already and it’s been a day, he’d tried to spend more time at work but even just not having you around makes him yearn even more, his thoughts constantly wandering to the way you look beneath him or the feeling of your skin flush against his.

your visit to the shop is innocent, kinda, you knew shinichiro was doing the challenge because wakasa and benkei had told you, but you also missed your boyfriend probably just as much as he missed you. he almost fucking moans when he sees you walk through the door into the back shop, finding him spread out on one of the worn leather seats as a cigarette rests between his lips — not lit, he was about to until you stole all of his attention and made him rock hard just by being there.

“fuck, angel. look real fuckin’ pretty, ain’t fair..” shinichiro breathes, unsteady, and it’s almost instinct the way his hands reach out to grab at your hips — luring you onto his lap as he pants like a fucking animal, gaze so thick with want for you. but he doesn’t realise how wound up he is until he feels the first initial press of your warm cunt against his clothed cock, making him twitch before he groans and almost cums right fucking there in his pants as he lets his forehead rest in the crook of your neck. “you aren’t afraid you’re gonna lose?” “nah, they ain’t lyin’ ‘bout you bein’ outta my league anyway.” but he thinks he might pass out when you pick up on the desperate grip he has on your hips, urging you to rock your hips against his as a mantra of low pleas fall from his lips. “fuuuck, angel. d-don’t stop.. y’re gonna make me fuckin’ cum, need t’ so fuckin’ bad, ‘m so fucked.”

・✶ ｡ﾟ SANZU HARUCHIYO — NOVEMBER 19TH

sanzu had ended up roped into the haitani’s bet, after they’d teased him about how “he’d never make it because he’s whipped.” for days. but you’re pretty sure they’re regretting convincing him now more than ever considering he’s been spending more time at work to avoid you and the insistent throbbing of his cock. he’d become more brutal and even more merciless than usual, taking less time cleaning up traitors — less tolerant for peoples bullshit, which you’d learned when a particularly pissed haitani rindou had text you telling you to “hurry up and fuck him already so he’ll get off my ass.”

normally sanzu would slip home when you were already asleep, meaning he’s not being teased by the way you’d sleepily cuddle up against his chest as much as he craves it. but you’re waiting for him when he closes the door gently behind him, a teasing glint in your eyes as he feels heat burst along his skin immediately at the look you give him, but he swallows loudly before he clears his throat to speak — ignoring the way his cock is already twitching in his slacks. “you’re up late.” he rasps and you grin as you approach him. “i heard you’ve been working hard, haru.”

the way you approach him is seductive, letting sanzu’s bright gaze focus on the sway of your hips as you come closer, fingertips almost aching to reach out and take a handful of you. “come on, angel. fuck—don’t do this shit right n-now.” he breathes, hisses with how tight his jaw clenches when he feels your chest press tight against his. “but you’re so tense.. let me help you.” you drawl as you let your palms rest against his chest. “f-fuck, please.. quit. it.” but it only takes you pressing a few kisses along sanzu’s jawline for him to break, groaning before he pulls you in for a breathtaking kiss. “you wanna make me feel better, yeah? then let me have you, angel.”

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strang3lov3 · 27 days

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Edit 4/5/24 - Aya’s taken my fic down, and I promised to take down my posts about her plagiarism if she’d apologize to me for hurting me. She didn’t, so these posts are staying up. I blocked her and let her know she’s more than welcome to send an ask from a side blog apologizing. This behavior is unacceptable.

Update about my plagiarized fic/ayadrafts (original post here)

Tw-fatphobia, violent threats

First, I wanna say thank you to everyone who is showing up and sticking up for me. Eddie stans, Joel stans, writers and readers both. I love and appreciate you so much. I know a good amount of you have reported ayadrafts and that’s awesome. If anyone in the comments is able to let others know how to do the same, that would be greatly appreciated.

To be honest, I’m not entirely sure how to update this so I think we’ll just go through the timeline.

Explanation below.

Last time I talked about this yesterday where I wasn’t responding to an ask, I showed screenshots of ayadrafts’ messages with others, how she laughed at both them and me. I posted and reblogged with screenshots of countless deleted comments. That was in late afternoon. During that time, people repeatedly commented on Ayadrafts’ post calling out her blatant theft of my work and even alerted blogs that had reblogged/liked her post that it was stolen from me. Ayadrafts has admitted to stealing my fic, but simply does not care or feel bad.

What I did not see and what I do not have screenshots of is Ayadrafts telling individuals to k*ll themselves. It seems that she gets a comment, replies to it, and then deletes both within seconds. Multiple people, both friends and strangers have let me know that this was taking place.

As if she could not get any lower. Laughing in my face, mocking my work, and then telling people to k*ll themselves? Absolutely abhorrent and frankly, fucking cruel.

But apparently others who were defending me were cruel right back to her. From what I’ve heard, I believe people who were commenting remained fairly civil, even if ayadrafts herself did not like the comments. I’ve received asks about this and I’m disappointed to hear that people were in her asks calling her a fat cunt and other abhorrent things. That’s a low blow and does not reflect me or my values.

Believe me, I understand the anger. I’ve never met someone so antisocial and uncaring. I am angry too. Fucking livid. But that doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to say something just as heinously cruel back to her. I don’t condone anyone being sexist, fatphobic, homophobic, racist, or hateful on my behalf. None of these things will ever be tolerated by me, even if they’re being used to “defend” me. Not okay with that in the slightest.

Take the high road, don’t give this person any more ammo to be any more cruel and atrocious than she’s already being.

After this, ayadrafts disabled replies on her post of my stolen fic for the night and everything quieted down for the most part. Today, I see that she’s got those replies back on and is likely looking for another fight, blocking and unblocking people. Because, like I said yesterday, it is evident that she has a clear need for negative attention, and all of this is a game to her.

If you wanna participate in that game, you’ve got my consent. Spam the shit out of her, annoy her through posts like this and this. I don’t care, because frankly I am past the point of sympathy with her, and I think I’ve been way too forgiving up to this point. Maybe she’ll cave and delete my fic like I’ve repeatedly asked her to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But it’s entirely possible she won’t, and that she’ll double down even harder, and that by continuing to fuel the fire she’ll only debase herself further and in doing so make us all feel worse. Were you all drained watching this go down yesterday? Because I sure as shit was.

So at some point I might ask you all that we just drop it, for both the sake of my mental health and your own. I think we’re all unbelievably hurt and upset, but we need to be able to walk away at some point. The reality is, we can keep this going forever but hateful, spiteful people like this don’t often thrive long without something to feed on.

I’ve reported her post multiple times, tweeted at tumblr, and I’ve heard nothing but crickets. It is what it is.

#strang3lov3 #ayadrafts #Joel miller x reader #Eddie Munson x reader #Eddie Munson x reader smut #discourse #tw discourse

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chrkrose · 7 months

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Finally someone said this, Taylor has much more in common with Joe Jonas than with Sophie Turner. Swifties complaining about Joe Jonas behaviour while stanning Taylor is hipocrisy.

About Joe Alwyn, he loves life in England, away from public scrutinity, he has mental health issues, he was in a relationship with a singer and has less power that his partner. Dont this remember you someone?

Because hes a man people overlook the power dynamic between them, and lets not forget that when he met her he just left drama school, was shooting his first movie, she was already a pop star. Her songs often paints a woman insecure and jealous, acusing him of things he dont do, fighting with him until he is ''broken and blue". Imagine if the roles were reverse.

Taylor is in a rare position where even though she is a woman, she holds more power than MANY men in the industry. And she 200% held way more power in her relationship with Joe Alwyn than the other way around. And she didn’t hesitate in trying to paint him in the worst possible light, and weaponize her fan base against him. And now she’s inserting herself into the Sophie/Joe Jonas drama as if she hadn’t done the same and hadn’t used the same machine against her ex, much like Joe Jonas is doing against Sophie Turner.

But I suspect she’s using the situation to her advantage, especially after the Matty Healy fiasco. She’s how coming across as a “girl’s girl”, a feminist ally, the hero friend supporting a fellow woman against a shitty man. I wonder where was this energy when her bf was getting off on women of color being brutalized in p*rn but I think Taylor’s empathy extends only to white women and only when it can benefit her somehow.

There are several articles in big media outlets reporting their outing, and all of them with heavy focus on… Taylor! Her “stylish” outfit. HER relationship with Joe Jonas (as if a 3 month teenage relationship can be compared to a 4 years marriage with two children). How she is showing an stance against media manipulation and men trying to demonize women by supporting Sophie Turner. People Magazine even came out with a “Taylor Swift and Sophie Turner friendship timeline” filed with moments where Sophie showed how much of a fan she is of Taylor (and very little of Taylor showing support to Sophie btw).

It’s all very ridiculous. But at least Sophie is getting something out of this, and Joe Jonas is being dragged through the mud once more which is what he deserves.

#anti taylor swift #sophie turner #joe alwyn #Joe Jonas

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the-fandom-crossroads · 12 days

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Just finished rewatching Advent Children with bro and wow that explained a lot more than I thought it would. Bro had never seen it and I remembered the white void showing up there and that the 3 villains were sephiroth clones. I completely forgot the other hints towards Remake.

But Spoilers for Remake and Rebirth I guess?

I now understand why everyone insists Remake Sephiroth is Advent Children Sephiroth. Like the exact same monologue about going to space with cloud. And Advent Children was him revealing this new bigger plan to cloud. If Remake Sephiroth was the original VII sephiroth he should still just want to use meteor because it's "mother's" will.

But like all that is old news for folks who remembered Advent Children when playing through Remake 4 years ago.

I think the things Rebirth builds on about the lifestream is more interesting. The pond that forms in Aerith's church in AC is a natural mako spring like the countless ones we find in rebirth. Flowers are able to grow there long after Aerith's death because of this spring just below the surface.

When Cloud "dies" in Advent Children he meets Aerith and Zack in the white void before they decide to put him back. He's released from the lifestream in the natural mako spring now in Aerith's church just like how Tifa is tossed back out when she enters with the whale.

Again for anyone who's recently watched AC it's obvious the white void is meant to represent the lifestream. But that means Rebirth is confirming the Lifestream is a bridge between the different universes. Zack enters the Lifestream and runs into Remake cloud who's also been pulled in. AC is all about how Sephiroth is still in the lifestream and that's how Kadaj is able to be possessed by him once he has enough Jenova cells. Cloud kills Sephiroth putting him back in the Lifestream. The Lifestream that connects all vii worlds.

AC Sephiroth then uses the lifestream to start appearing before a Cloud that has only just reached Midgar. His Meddling summons the whispers which fight back to keep things to the "cannon" timeline. Sephiroth of course tricks team Avalanche into destroying the head Whisper allowing him to take control of them. Again old news for anyone that knew Sephiroth wanted them to break the bonds of Fate.

But if Sephiroth is using the lifestream to mess with other worlds. it shouldn't be a surprise one of the Aerith's also already in the lifestream got involved too. As other's have pointed out the Aerith that gives cloud the not empty White materia isn't remake Aerith. But another Aerith that pulled him into that universe to give him a functioning white materia. But somehow Remake Aerith knew the hand over happened? Because in the white forest she asks cloud for the materia and they swap so she has a functioning white materia. That part confuses me a little. How did our Aerith know the handoff happened?

Also Rufus and Kadaj have a conversation about how everything's a cycle. That Jenova "Mother" will always try to destroy the planet and the lifestream/humanity will always fight back. Made me realize AC Sephiroth wasn't going back on his timeline to make a new one but hopping into the next timeloop. OG VII and Advent Children's cannon is locked in. Remake is truely that a remaking of the timeline made possible by Cloud and Co defeating the whispers that enforce the timeloops. So now instead of one spiral after another and infinite number of spirals are forming while the remake loop is still happening.

That's why Sephiroth waited until the *spoilers* cannon event to appear in Rebirth. It's an all the stars a line situation. All timeloops have that moment, regardless of how it's different in different versions.

But Rebirth's cannon event was just a test run. Sephiroth wanted to see how much power he could gain just from multiple timelines merging at one point.

Sephiroth already told us what he really wants. The Black materia but not the one from the remake universe no the ultimate black materia forged from all the black materia. And what's the next big plot point that could be a cannon event? Cloud's breakdown at the northern crater after handing the Black Materia over to Sephiroth. If there's any point where the timelines would over lap it would be there. We already saw the power boost Sephiroth got. If that power boost happens to the black Materia yeah that's a multiverse destroying meteor right there.

Wow was that a long wall of text about stuff everyone else probably already knows. But I just had to put all the clarity Advent Children gave me about Remake and Rebirth somewhere. Expect a spiral timeline graphic in the future. Cause I feel like i'm forgetting to explain some of it right.

#final fantasy vii #final fantasy vii remake #final fantasy vii rebirth #ffvii #ffvii rebirth #ffvii remake #final fantasy vii advent children #ffvii advent children #rebirth spoilers #cloud strife #sephiroth #douglitheories

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totallynormalnotreally · 25 days

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Ok so here are my thoughts on the sneak peek or next week's episode:

Ignore the horrible quality screen-caps

The vibes. They went to a cute Italian place which feels very homey - nothing like where buck has been on dates in the past (mainly coffee shops and bars). They split a pizza, and ordered a pitcher. Possibly beer since that's what they discussed, but honestly could also be ice tea. The napkins are used, which suggests that Tommy is either looking at a dessert menu, or the bill. If he's paying for them both, I could see Buck not knowing what to do with that.

2. Tommy's face. When Buck says he's "not weirded out" Tommy gives him such a look. To me this means 'oh this man is freaking out'. I don't think Tommy realized that this was Buck's first date with a guy. Yet, Buck is smiling - so I don't think he's unhappy, just out of the comfort zone, which is to be expected. His little head shake when he admits that this is his first time seems almost embarrassed.

3. This is from the next clip, when Eddie and Marisol show up. I've seen some people speculate about a double date, but this is unlikely to me because they are sitting at a 2 person table, and have already eaten, when Eddie and Marisol just arrived. It is unclear if this comes before or after the other wide shot, because there is more pizza, but less drink. Also, body language. Tommy is open and happy to see Eddie, but Buck looks like he wishes he could hide under the table. His face, his hands awkwardly on the table...

4. In the clip from the call, the guy is choking buck. My screen-cap is horrible but its clear what is going on. My guess is that this is after the date, because Buck's shirt is open decently at the restaurant and it feels like the guy is latched on hard enough to bruise. Interesting choice to give Buck laryngeal trauma in the episode where he gets Italian - reminds me of Abby and the bread incident in S1.

My overall timeline for this ep goes like this:

Buck talks to Eddie about ankleggate and Eddie asks him if there's anything else and he says no

Date

starts off great

This is my first date with a dude

this was great

Eddie shows up

You're a little tense

semi-awkward ending to the date

Crazy hand call

Station awkwardness/Buck feels like hes lying to Eddie

Existential crisis with Maddie/Hen

Henren baby drama and Eddie's relationship drama

Going to go talk to Eddie

Eddie says he and Marisol broke up

End of ep

Of course with multiple scenes of Hen and Eddie's lives.

#911 abc #evan buckley #911 s7 #eddie diaz #buddie #tommy kinard #maddie buckley #hen wilson #911 spoliers #911 season 7 #911 spec #7x04 #7x05 #911 meta

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shadowgale96 · 9 months

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Clara’s Mom (Mrs.Valac) Was a Dem-dol

Evidence:

1) They look strikingly similar.

They both have green hair with similar volume and fluff.

They're cloths are the same color scheme of white and green.

The cloths are even the same style with the puffy upper arm sleeves.

They both are sporting a green bow.

Pointed ears (but sure most demons have pointed ears)

Similar completion/skin

Clara's mom has ram horns, but she could be hiding them under her hair or using magic to conceal them.

Plus, we've already seen that Kerori wears fake horns to hid her real ones in order to help conceal her identity.

2) Clara's mom constantly breaks out into song.

The show isn't a musical, but whenever the Valac family is on screen, it's almost a guarantee that a song number is about to happen. Breaking out into song seems to be a very normal thing for their family. She's obviously encourages singing and dance choreography. The fact that this family is so chaotic yet dances in sync is incredible.

The family even breaks into song on stages and preforms for everyone.

3) She has Dem-dol qualities.

She has cute and charming qualities that are expected of a dem-dol and speaks in a very calming manner.

She has 6 children, most of which are very high energy, but she holds their attention and keeps control over them almost effortlessly. Which would make sense if she's had a career as a dem-dol controlling hundreds of rowdy demons at once.

She also strikes poses when singing.

4) The timeline is plausible.

Time line wise, Kerori watched the green haired dem-dol preforming when she was a little kid. Clara is roughly the same age as Kerori so if it was a live performance Mrs. Valac would have had at least 2 kids at the time of that performance which is perfectly plausible. Plenty of female singers have kids and preform. if this is what happened she likely left around when her other sons where born, wanting to spend more time with her family.

Another possibility is that Kerori was simply watching a re-run with her grandmother of a performance, which would easily explain why the dem-dol looks so young if it is Mrs. Valac.

In summery, Clara is most likely the daughter of a dem-dol.

#mrs.valac #mrs. valac #clara's mom #welcome to demon school #welcome to demon school iruma kun #mairimashita! iruma kun #dem-dol #demdol #crocell kerori

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Local Man Uses The Cyclical 27-Year Torment Nexus To Try And Change His Fate [EPIC FAIL COMPILATION]

You probably guessed that this is the time-travel post I've been slaving over. You'd be right. This is the newest and most formal iteration of my long-standing time loop theory (I have drafted flowcharts back from February that actually predicted a dimension/time fuckery event in 1943 in relation to Brenner, which was made canon by TFS). So...Let's just dive right in. Note: I'm planning to keep calling TFS Henry "Henry" here just for simplicity's sake.

Now, fair warning: There are a few big "bear with me"s in this post. I promise they make sense, I just need you to hear me out.

It all started with Henry's self-proclaimed superhero name: The Stardust Spider.

Some of you may have seen my original post about The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders from Mars (here).

Before anyone says "Oh, but that album didn't exist yet", a reference in 1959 about a Bowie album that wouldn't be recorded until November of 1971 is in keeping with TFS's habit of directly referencing things from the '70s that "don't exist yet".

However, all that aside, there's a specific piece I want to return to, because it bugs the living daylights out of me.

There was a cut song that was meant to go on the album The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders from Mars titled "Shadow Man":

For obvious reasons in relation to Henry in The First Shadow, this song already stuck out.

Specifically, though, these few stanzas hit me weirdly:

You should call and see who answers For he promises to come running Guided by the truth For the Shadow Man is really You Look in his eyes and see your reflection Look to the stars and see his eyes He'll show you tomorrow, he'll show you the sorrows Of what you did today You can call him foe, you can call him friend You should call and see who answers (see who answers) For he knows your eyes are drawn to the road ahead And the Shadow man is waiting 'round the bend ('round the bend) Shadow man is waiting up ahead

The Shadow Man is you from the future. He's waiting up ahead to show you the the truth/the consequences of your actions.

Considering that the TFS version of Young "Henry" has a direct connection to both the Shadow and Dimension X from a young age, and he also experiences what seem to be Vecna-type visions, this becomes particularly interesting to me...Especially seeing as said fates are not only possible for future "Henry", but also canon for future "Henry". (See: Vecna guy vs Mindflayer guy)

So, when I see an almost comical number of lines in TFS relating to rewriting known, undesirable endings (here are a few of my favorites):

And when we revisit some of the on-film classics:

I start to think it's time we revisit the concept of time-travel and trying to change your own fate.

It's always hard to know where to start with posts like these, so I'm going to kick things off with the technical aspect: The Cycle.

Something I've talked about in the past year, mostly on Discord, is this concept of a time loop. Not just any old time loop, though. A 27 year cycle, specifically.

Not 20, not 30...

Now, we all know the TFS timeline is messy as hell and doesn't actually align with anything that's possible in filmed canon...or within its own time span, even.

For example, the attack on Mr. Newby happens both some point after October 1st, 1959 and before November 20th, 1959...but the papers for the incident report it on March 20th, 1958:

The timeline we're given also largely fabricated, as I pointed out in relation to the newspapers with dates that don't actually exist.

However, much like NINA, the sequence itself being fake doesn't mean the events didn't happen. It's just not happening in the time frame we're told it's happening in:

It's a set of real events, just portrayed on a different time scale.

So, with all that in mind, I want to lay out a timeline, starting from Season 4 and moving backwards in time:

— Vecna opens the rifts, and El opens a gate to Dimension X in NINA, both in 1986. The March 1959 Creel Murders occur exactly 27 years before the Rifts and NINA's Dimension X gate open in 1986...at which point the Mindflayer is shown to be active.

— Mothergate opens through to Dimension X at some point between November 1983 and October 1984, this being somewhere between 16-28 months prior the Rifts opening. The paper about the attack on Mr. Newby, dated March 20th, 1958, is released exactly 610 days, or 20 months, prior to the Creel murders on November 20th, 1959. It's not necessarily the exact dates that are important here (again, these dates are relatively unreliable), but the gap between the dates.

When put in accordance with filmed dates (i.e. setting the release of this paper exactly 610 days prior to March 22nd of 1959), the paper for the attack on Mr. Newby would have been released on July 20th, 1957. This would be in line with Edward Creel's move to Hawkins in the spring of 1957...while also occurring 27 years before July of 1984, at which point Mothergate is open, and the Mindflayer is active.

This July date is especially funny to me considering we get "throwaway" lines like this...with shots in filmed canon from summertime:

Top: Joyce and Jim beginning their investigation into the attic attack. Hopper Sr. is questioning why Joyce and Jim are investigating, rather than attending school. Bottom: Alice and Henry with the rabbit death scenes in filmed canon, the setting showing full foliage and both children in summer clothing. "Is it summer break?" I don't know. You tell me, Chief.

Per TFS, Henry went missing in a cave system near his home town of Rachel, Nevada (hold that thought) at some point in the year prior to the attack on Mr. Newby. We've been told that Dimension X was involved in this event in Nevada, something happened there that left "Henry" altered physically. He was also flayed at some point around this time.

This all coincides with Henry's dramatic mood shift from a "normal and good" boy to one suffering from Mindflayer-induced psychosis. This change happened in tandem with the Nevada incident, dating back 10 months prior to the attack on Mr. Newby:

If we set Henry's initial disappearance in line with filmed canon like before, it becomes September of 1956, which is just over 27 years before Will's disappearance in November of 1983, at which point we know at least one gate is open.

We also have 1952, at which point TFS Henry would be 7 per his age as a 14 year old/freshman in play canon. This exists in a 27 year interval against 1979, when El opens the original gate that sends One to Dimension X, where he subsequently shapes the Shadow into the Mindflayer.

Here comes the first "hear me out".

My questions are:

Since Henry/Vecna/The Mindflayer/etc. in general don't show any capability for opening gates before 1986, then how the hell is the Mindflayer possessing anyone in 1959?

How did "Henry" get involved with Dimension X in Nevada in the 1950s?

Unless, by some chance:

Dimension X exists all the time simultaneously (i.e. it's a space outside time)

The gates exist simultaneously across time and space in the Right Side Up in 27 year intervals. By which I mean: A gate that opens in, say, 1983 would exist simultaneously in 1956, so on an so forth.

There's the disappearance of Captain Brenner and the USS Eldridge in 1943, which would, interestingly enough, align with 1970, the supposed year of El's conception.

Then, 1952. Now, I'm not sure what's special about 1952, when TFS "Henry" was 7, because they don't actually say what happened to make that year important! They make a point to show it to us, though, meaning something happened...we just don't know what. All I can say is that 1952 does exist in a 27 year interval against El's 1979 gate. Hold that thought.

Those addressed, let's fast-forward 4 years: 1956/1983.

Now, to be fair, there is some uncertainty in my mind about whether this specific gate incident stems from Brenner's involvement with Project Rainbow in Nevada pre-1957*, or if it stems from Mothergate in 1983, or if they created some kind of wormhole between the two locations 27 years apart...but that's a concept I need to explore more thoroughly in a another post.

In short, though: Did a singular El open a singular Mothergate? Did El open mothergate? Did Mothergate actually open on November 6th, 1983...or are we just supposed to assume it opened the same night Will went missing/the demogorgon came through? We're never given a concrete date for when Mothergate actually opened.

* In TFS, Brenner claims he's dedicated his life post-1943 to Project Rainbow with the goal of finding Dimension X, and that he's doing so in pursuit of knowledge regarding the circumstances of his father's death in connection with the Philadelphia Experiment. The USS Eldridge, Brenner Sr.'s ship, disappeared into Dimension X briefly on October 28th, 1943. "Brenner Sr." was the sole survivor. "He" returned to the Right Side Up with a completely unique blood type, supposedly altered by his travels into Dimension X. This is what ultimately led to him succumbing to his injuries, due to his body rejecting all forms of blood transfusion. Brenner Jr. tells us that about 10 months prior to Henry's first stay in HNL, a scientist from Project Rainbow escaped Brenner's lab carrying a container of a dangerous material, and ended up near the same Nevada cave system Henry disappeared into. We don't know how or when this material was collected, or what it was, but we know they found Henry's Captain Midnight spyglass next to a body (identity unspecified) with no trace of that dangerous material. We get no further detail about the Nevada Disappearance.

Anyway, someone opens a gate in the fall of 1956 and/or 1983 (my money's on it being directly linked to an El in 1983 either way). No matter who did it, though, someone opened a gate at both time points, showing us this 27 year link between the 2 dates, 2 key locations.

"Henry" goes missing in Nevada in 1956, and ends up involved with Dimension X...Which aligns with the choice of song surrounding this version of the Creel family while they move into their new home:

Coincidentally, 27 years in the future, so does Will, in Indiana. Their experiences are linked across those two spaces via that 27 year period.

We know that regardless of the gate in Nevada...Mothergate, at least, stays open until from fall 1956/1983 to fall 1957/1984. That covers exact time frame that the adjusted dates for both Henry's accident with the boy in Nevada and his accident with Mr. Newby fall in (as well as Will's time between his disappearance and his flaying).

The closer we get to Will's flaying in 1984, and the closer the Mindflayer gets to crossing through Mothergate, the more TFS Henry sounds like One (post-1979) while he's possessed in 1957, the more strangely he behaves in general (almost as though the Mindflayer is more enmeshed in his everyday life/closer to the surface), and the stronger the possession attempts seem to become overall. He begins giving nightmare visions to other people, namely tormenting Virginia with spiders and her past. He has his final and most powerful "Vecna" vision on the night of the attack on Mr. Newby.

Any kind of reciprocal gate irt Mothergate in the '50s would have gone unnoticed, since the papers in TFS indicate that HNL wasn't established until Brenner showed up to take Henry in.

Mothergate closes briefly, only for a gate to open in July 1958/1985 in the underground location of the future Starcourt Mall. This, in 1958, is during our unaccounted-for 20 months between the attack on Mr. Newby and the Creel murders. (Something rattles about this and the scene where Henry nearly makes full contact with the Mindflayer, when he has a handful of duplicate lines re: his 4.07 monologue self, but I don't have sufficient evidence to make that claim with any certainty.)

That gate closes, until Vecna opens gates in Hawkins in March of 1986, and El opens a Dimension X gate briefly and simultaneously in both Hawkins/Nevada in September of 1979 (September of 1952) and Hawkins/Nevada in March of 1986 (March of 1959) during NINA, concurrently...at least one of which may have gone unnoticed, since the Rainbow Room and the surrounding labs seems to have been abandoned entirely after 1979, and HNL as a whole has once again been abandoned after the events of 1984 ("unnoticed" and "abandoned", I say as if the building isn't still being surveilled by Brenner/Owens et. al...I just mean that the building isn't in use by the government at that point in time.)

We're shown the Shadow activating all the way in Russia due to one or multiple of these events. 27 years earlier, in March of 1959, the Mindflayer once again becomes active, per TFS's adjusted dates. Chaos ensues.

At this point, "Henry" starts swapping between sounding like his young self and sounding like his 4.07 Monologuing Adult self again, doing that kind of "I've seen the future" foreshadowing talk with Joyce that his visions did with him:

Here, he also sounds distinctly like ST3 flayed Billy, specifically in the way of the scene with El in the cabin when "Billy" outlines the Mindflayer's plans for her, her friends, and all of Hawkins while crying.

The rest is, well...history. Whatever fuckery went on, it doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. After all, TFS is a "canon event", meaning it had to end the way it did.

Remember those thoughts I asked you to hold?

TFS being a "canon event" means it had to end with Henry in the lab alongside baby El...thus completing our loop, which starts again with the events of 1979/1952. A 27 year loop. TFS may be indicative of a time loop.

Hence:

Out of place dates from the 1970s start to bleed into the 1950s: - A town like Rachel, Nevada, which wasn't established until 1978, now exists circa 1952-1959 after El opens a gate to Dimension X circa 1979 in Nevada circa 1986 via NINA, which exists...about 40-50 miles from Rachel.

- An album like Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars (November, 1971) or a song like "Chuck E's In Love" (April, 1979) gets referenced circa 1957-1959. - An article about a "younger, more handsome" alien clone of Elvis appears in a 1959 Weekly Watcher paper about the Creel murders, despite Elvis having been 24 at the time...making this an article more likely to have appeared in the '70s or later, likely sometime around Elvis' death in 1977.

2. The Shadow is always depicted as the fully formed Mindflayer circa 1956-1959, despite the shaping event happening in the 4 years between 1979-1983:

3. Henry has Vecna-type visions, despite being the only vision-giver we know of circa 1957-1959.

4. 6 different guys later in the HNL massacre: 2 with the original baby El, 2 with teen El via NINA, and 2 in an as-of-yet unseen product of NINA's Loop (see: the final scene of TFS).

All this laid out, some questions remain:

Why do Henry's visions show him the genuine, terrifying reality of his future?

Why are these visions generally lacking in coercion?

Why are Vecna chime sounds heard before the major supernatural events that deal with visions, even though we never actually see the clock? (They're heard before Virginia in the attic, before the attack on Mr. Newby, before the Creel murders, and in the basement when Henry monologues at Joyce while viewing the corpses of his family.)

Why don't these chimes play when the Mindflayer alone is present, e.g. when no visions occur? (See: Henry contacting the Mindflayer in the lab)

And we don't really get an answer to any of these. Not an easily spotted outright answer, anyway.

But what's really fascinating, which I mentioned just a second ago and takes me back to the top of this post, back to the "Stardust Spider" and Shadow Man, is the fact that despite occurring concurrently with the possession attempts...none of these visions contain an ultimatum. There's no "If you don't obey me, I'll hurt someone you love", no "I'm showing you what's going to happen if you don't obey me", nothing of the sort.

The closest we get to coercion is the bathroom vision, when Henry fights off a possession attempt in the school bathroom and ends up in a vision regarding Patty. When "Patty" starts to talk to him about his future, about how Henry's going to kill her and so many others, Henry says "you're not Patty...what are you?" Then he gets into a physical brawl with her, which is surprisingly well matched. Vision Patty encourages him during that fight, saying things like "That's it!", "We want the same thing!", and "We can have her!"

Those seem like pretty straightforward "the Mindflayer's encouraging Henry to kill" encouragements, right?

Yeah, at first glance. However...lets read that back right quick, but with Moral Objectivity Goggles on this time. Henry openly, verbally identifies that Vision Patty is "not her, not Patty", but is, in fact, something else. He does this multiple times before he lunges at "not Patty", and he is subsequently encouraged by not-Patty...who tells him they want the same thing. That's not suspicious at all. The motives here are definitely crystal clear and totally aren't conflicting in any way.

There's the straightforward surface aspect, and then something else piggybacking on it, complicating it. Hold that thought.

Other than that instance, the negative parts of Henry's visions are all just...information. They're showing him what will come to pass...almost like they're motivating him to fight the Mindflayer. Hold onto that thought too, it buddies with the previous one.

Henry's freaking out about Prancer because he's getting close with Patty, and he's worried he'll hurt her?

His vision informs him that he's going to kill more, that he's going to hurt things, that he's going to kill Patty if he stays around her and/or gives into the Mindflayer's desires. And then it happens. All of it. He kills more animals. He hurts things and people, the pets and lab animals, Mr. Newby, and Inmate 58361 being prime examples. He gives in to the Mindflayer's desire to kill and kills Virginia. He does, by the extent of his perception, kill Patty in the accident.

The same goes for his vision in the attic. Henry's up in the attic using his powers to find someone/snoop on them, fearful of opening himself up for a possession attempt?

The vision version of Patty's mother catches Henry and tells him she "wants to tell him a secret" while his body is being puppeted to attack Mr. Newby. The next time the curtain rises to show us the inside of Henry's mind, he's seeing himself as Vecna, strung up on the tentacles and strangling people with them...just like the end of Season 4. Once again, he's seeing the future that will come to pass...should he fail to fight the Mindflayer off.

We can tell it's a vision, not what's physically happening in reality, because: a) Henry's watching himself in the attic from the stage below. b) It's got the messed up red lighting c) They show us reality just moments before, not a tentacle in sight and without Henry on the stage there observing:

d) The ending of the vision doesn't match with reality:

At the end of this vision, Henry passes out both in the void and IRL, while the vision version of Henry remains crouching. That is a different guy, entirely separate from IRL/Void Henry. There is at least one other person in the visions who is not a product of the vision itself.

Remember those thoughts from a bit ago that I asked you to hold?

Well. This also happens to be the sequence where we not only get Vision-Patty repeating Henry's own words from just after Prancer's death ("It's not real. It's not real. It's a nightmare") back to him, a phrase IRL Patty has never heard, but we also get:

Visions Patty telling Henry how to fight and evade the possession, as if she knows what she's doing ("It's your dream, remember? Anything is possible").

Vision Patty telling Henry she loves him as the last-ditch effort when his "good dream" memory of the real Patty fails to save him from the possession.

These are both things IRL Patty wouldn't know or think to say, since IRL Patty fully believed that Henry attacked her of his own volition out of malice, and she needed to be shown a drawing of the Mindflayer by Mr. Newby in order to abandon that belief.

IRL Patty's behavior is not the behavior of someone who a) knows the ins and outs of Henry's situation with the Mindflayer, and b) coached him through overcoming a possession attempt a little while earlier. It's just not.

Just like before, we're seeing contradictions and complications between vision-selves and IRL selves, along with a sense of piggybacking within possession attempts, wherein the vision serves as motivation for Henry to fight harder in resistance to the Mindflayer...while the Mindflayer is possessing him.

It's starting to become my favorite thing in the world: A pattern of behavior.

In summary:

Henry's are visions are visions of his future, and they're being shown to him by someone.

They are separate from, but piggybacking on, the Mindflayer's possession attempts.

The purpose of the visions isn't solely to torment Henry or coerce him into doing the Mindflayer's bidding. In fact, the content of the visions seems curated to make Henry fight harder in resistance to the Mindflayer.

So if, for example, Vision Patty ≠ IRL Patty, but she's acting against the Mindflayer's best interest/in support of Henry...then...

I think my answer to the questions of "who", "when", and "how" should be at least somewhat clear by this point:

Someone...from the future.

Specifically, someone from 1979-1986 who has access to the gates from the Dimension X side, someone with both vision-giving and time-related abilities who's directly connected to the Mindflayer/the Hive Mind, but who has a vested interest in countering the Mindflayer, saving Henry Creel, and trying to change the course of the future.

A traitor. A spy, if you will.

"A spy...from the future?"

[gestures at the Signs] Yeah, you heard me.

A spy from the future.

So, on that note: The point in this section wherein I ask you to hear me out.

I get the feeling TFS Henry is being told and/or shown what will come to pass in the future by himself...the Mindflayer.

And you're probably going "How do you figure that one, James? Isn't the Mindflayer a villainous force?"

I mean, yeah. Of course it is. However...

There are clearly multiple forces at play within the Mindflayer (hive mind!), and TFS shows us that Henry Creel wouldn't choose to be a villain.

Thus I think the visions in TFS are situations where, as in the 4.07 rabbit scene, things look really damning on first view. They play on our empathy using small, visibly-frightened, helpless victims and shocking, violent circumstances to guide us into making the assumption that everything about the situation is inherently malicious.

We're shown this poor little guy, "Henry". He's 14 years old, he clocks in at 5'5", he's skittish/scared of (ha) his own shadow, and he's geeky to the nth degree about comic books (just LOOK at that Captain Midnight salute? What an cute little nerd). He's immediately lovable. He's also, we find out rather abruptly, plagued by horrific visions and murderous fits of possession.

The immediate response is to go "He's being psionically tortured by some sick, sadistic son of a bitch who hungers for nothing but blood and control", just like Nancy and the ST fandom collectively did with Young Henry's rabbit scene...only to be proven wrong about Henry's intentions via TFS.

I mean, does anyone (anyone who's able to read this post, anyway 🤭) look at TFS Henry, filmed Young Henry, or even Orderly Henry and go "Yeah. He totally wanted what he got, and if he had the chance, he definitely wouldn't try to save himself from that fate"?

No.

TFS Shows us that "Henry" was a terrified, traumatized boy who wanted it all to stop. He's kind, brave, and stronger than he seems. We're also shown that he's capable of overcoming the Mindflayer to issue warnings to people he cared about (i.e. telling people to run, or prophesying dangers he'd seen via the visions). He was trying to survive with next to no help while causing as little harm as possible. He was a good kid, and he certainly wasn't evil.

So, all that said...I think that, via the Shadow's hive-mind capabilities, Henry's "fronting", in a manner of speaking, in order to show this version of himself the future. Probably as a warning, probably as motivation to fight the Mindflayer, and all with a nice side-dish of "here's how you fight this thing off so that my current future doesn't become our future" before someone else tapes over the figurative laptop camera.

[coughs, drops this Brenner-Mindflayer collage on the table in front of you, and then scurries away]

With that said, I'd like to loop all the way back to the top of this post: The "Shadow Man" may be Henry from the future. He's waiting up ahead to show his younger self the true outcome of his choices.

We all know how TFS ends, though. Hence:

[EPIC FAIL COMPILATION]

This brings me to my final "bear with me" point: The matter of the strange double-agent vibes from the UD in every season.

I'm not sure if anyone else outside the unholycule has noticed this, but in every season there's at least one instance of the UD just...offering up information.

"It does?"

Yup! Let me explain.

On first glance, we look at things like Nancy's vision and even El's vision with Billy in the cabin, and we go "Oh, it's because [insert "the bad guy's cruel/he wants to scare her/his hubris will be his downfall/all serial killers want to be known for their crimes" etc here]"...but maybe that's not the case.

For example: Vecna told Nancy his backstory, and then he immediately went

"Oh hey, so not only am I revealing my identity (Which may help you find out more about me via lab records later on, things like...maybe a list of my abilities, or my weaknesses, like the fact that I have a nut allegry. Allegedly.), but I'm also gonna give you a sneak peek of my apocalypse plans. For free. As a treat. Don't use these to prepare or anything. I'm totally not giving you a head start".

Terrifying, yes. A taunt and a threat on surface view, yes...but also showing his hand. "I want you to tell Eleven everything you see" Why. Why would he want that. He may be confident in his plans, arrogant, even...but he's not that stupid.

I'm serious, though. Check it out in comparison to Henrys visions of the future. The pattern is patterning:

We can track that back to El's cabin scene with Billy, wherein he tells her she shouldn't have looked for him, warns her that they all can see her, and that they're going to be coming after her...and he cries about it. That's vision Billy. That's someone else who piggybacked into El's mind from Billy's mind. That's not real Billy, just like how Billy in Max's vision wasn't the real Billy. The person giving El that vision warns her. Why on earth would he tell her that they can see her, that they're coming for her? That's sensitive information! It would be smarter to let her think she's safe and use that false sense of security to catch her off guard.

In fact, this pattern patterns so well that I'd like to argue this: Henry's TFS visions, Nancy's vision, and El's vision are all the same type of behavior displayed in NINA's chess scene, just in different contexts.

Henry ("Henry") gives some kind of scary prophetic information ("He and the others are going to attempt to kill you", "I would very much like to show you where I am going", "You're going to kill me, aren't you?"), and then we're left to question if it's a scare tactic, manipulative misinformation, or helpful inside information.

It's not that the Mindflayer or Vecna can't hide things from people (see: "Somewhere he didn't want me to see")...like, say, the fact that the Mindflayer is now able to see El, or that Vecna's planning to open 4 gates with his 4 kills.

It's always this miraculous "Huh! Weird info-dropping behavior from the UD's side. Shouldn't look that gift-horse in the mouth though. It's probably just a writing oversight or a shoehorned exposé, so really there's no need to question it." situation where it's just...information that's offered up with no real explanation.

Some of my favorite examples:

...and it's all topped off with Max's line:

"He's been telling us his plan this whole time".

That is to say...You're telling me:

The first message from the Upside Down isn't any of the messages that are concretely Will's, but instead it's the one that's a repetitive Henry line...and it's conveyed in a distinctly not-Will style? A message that saves Joyce, something that's definitely not in the UD's best interest given her tenacity in finding her boy...but is definitely coming from the UD nonetheless?

Will, who fell total prey to the Mindflayer in less than 3 days, was not only able to figure out how to defeat the Mindflayer, but was also strong enough to convey it in Morse code? The Mindflayer, who is able to keep secrets (see below), just...let that information slip?

El, who acknowledges that the Mindflayer is more than able to hide things from her, is suddenly released into Billy's memories and allowed to find the source unimpeded?

The Mindflayer, as Billy (Remember: not actually Billy, because Billy can't give visions or invade minds), is telling El that because he's able to see her now, she shouldn't have looked for him? The Mindflayer, which was supposedly building the Fleshflayer to track El down and kill her? Suddenly he's telling her she shouldn't have done the thing that allowed him to find her more easily?

Vecna's giving up all the information about himself and his plans before he's even gotten the 4th gate open, despite him being so secretive about it up until that point?

Henry's visions in TFS are going to scare him into resisting the Mindflayer, making it less likely that he's going to upgrade to killing humans, i.e. the very thing the Mindflayer wants him to do?

None of that makes any damn sense...until we hit this last point:

Orderly Henry is known for giving inside information about "Papa" to El with no clear motive other than getting her to leave the lab.

Now, if you know my page then you know Em's been talking about double meanings in phrasing recently (see: this post about "who"s and "what"s).

So, with that in mind, I'd like you to chew on this:

"He's been telling us his plan this whole time." vs "He's been telling us His plan this whole time."

By which I mean: "He's been telling us some other man's plan this whole time."

[Mike voice] Superspy.

As a parting thought, I made it all into a nice, neat set of collages:

Not to mention this final, parting bit:

#henry creel #time loop theory #st: tfs

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Wild theory time:

"The Fall of Shady Sands" (as pictured in this diagram) isn't the bomb itself that blew it up. It is an incident that happened in that year leading to Shady Sands' destruction. And that incident is:

The emergence of Moldaver.

Now, the people in Vault 4 who would've drawn the timeline, would teach it in her favor as they very clearly seem to worship her. Nonetheless, I believe she is the event that leads to the the idea that Shady Sands had fallen long before the bomb Lucy's dad dropped actually fell.

Moldaver is a weird character that we still are left with questions about by the last episode. She's also from before the war, everyone knows her as quoted several times, her followers are raiders and cultists who drink blood and call her "Fire Mother," they have the utmost belief that she alone can save them, she is smart enough to have come close to creating everlasting power in the form of cold fusion from before the war.

How has she survived this long? Why are her cultists Like That? Why does everyone know who she is?

We're never confirmed any real answers. Likely they'll be answered in season 2.

But I'd like to attempt to answer some of those questions.

I think in or around 2277, Moldaver emerged from her own cryogenic pod because Lucy's dad notably mentions that she's just like him. She came to Shady Sands, and due to the NCR creating a similar government to old America and her possible moral standing as a communist, she didn't really like how they were running things. Maybe she even saw that this way of life was collapsing for them already, what with how big they were getting, how other factions were fighting them for power, how resources were dwindling as they seemed to be as of New Vegas. And Moldaver decided that she would cause a sort of uprising in Shady Sands to take over and make things run her way. So starts her cult, this all happening concurrently in the timeline with things in Fallout New Vegas (because it wasnt retconned dammit!) Its a huge thing, huge enough that everyone will know her, huge enough that her revolt is effective. And life is good for the people under her cult for a while. People are happy with her rule, though maybe not everyone is in her cult, perhaps Shady Sands was split in two. NCR Shady Sands and Fire Mother Shady Sands.

She's a wanted criminal by the NCR, even in the present time in the show. (Because the NCR is still around and kicking and we even see them, I think. They just go by the government for now for intrigue.)

Anyway, Moldaver is the Fall of Shady Sands. And because she became "Ms. Steal-Your-Wife-and-Kids" to Lucy's dad, she's also partially responsible for the bomb that drops later.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

#fallout #fallout tv series #fallout tv show #fallout spoilers #fallout tv spoilers #fallout new vegas #fallout nv #fallout moldaver #fallout theory

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Thetis

I wanted to draw Thetis because I just adore her, so here we are.

Now I'm going to start chatting since this whole thing involving Thetis and Achilles is of great interest to me, so I'll separate this post into topics.

DIFFERENT COSTUMES

I generally design clothes based more on representations in amphorae or descriptions in Greek plays/poems from myths, which means that the clothes are not Mycenaean. However, I decided to try to make Mycenaean clothing (as it would be most accurate with the time of the Trojan War) at least on mortals. The gods will not necessarily follow costumes according to the timeline. For example, Athena will still have peplos and armor if I draw her.

In my drawings I intend to make Thetis in detailed Mycenaean costumes when living in Phthia, and peplos without adornments when not. I decided to make nymphs with a more "free" look of adornments or tied hair because I think it suits them, and this extends to the naiads and, therefore, Thetis. I intended to make this costume change due to the context of Thetis' story.

I'm following Argonautica a lot because I liked the portrait that Apollonius gave to Thetis. In Book IV, Apollonius shows us about Peleus interrupting Thetis as she tries to immortalize Achilles with fire. Because he interrupts her, the procedure doesn't work and she becomes frustrated and leaves [1], never to return. Achilles was a baby then. After this event, apparently she and Peleus find themselves in an even stranger situation judging by the way Hera comments on Thetis letting go of her anger and the cold interaction she has with Peleus despite this (I say "more" because it was already a situation tense from the beginning).

We also know, from the Hera lines, about how Zeus was interested in Thetis and tried to have something, but she didn't want it. And how Zeus was offended by this, declaring that she would never be the wife of an immortal, but still he continued after her. However, Thetis still never wanted anything to do with him [2]. Finally, Zeus is informed by Themis about the famous prophecy of Thetis' son being greater than his father and fears that her becoming pregnant by an immortal will end up giving birth a threat to him, and then forces her into a marriage with a mortal. Hera's part in this is that she steps forward to choose Peleus herself [3] and even holds the bridal torch for Thetis. Hera is an important relationship in Thetis' story.

In other words, Thetis was forced into a horrible situation against her will, which even involved her being a victim of abuse [4], for something she never had fault. Thetis even spent time on the surface with Peleus, apparently trying to come to terms with what reality should be. But the mere fact that she tries to immortalize Achilles shows that, in the end, she was never "ok" about it. And Peleus messing this up (accidentally. He thought Achilles was going to die for obvious reasons: fire) only made her even more frustrated at what her life had become. That was her limit and she returned to sea never to return to live in Phtia. The possibility of making her son immortal like her was what had been keeping her there, day after day discreetly trying to burn away Achilles' mortality. Without that being possible anymore, she left.

In Argonautica, we also know that Achilles is on Mount Pelion, being trained by Chiron and raised by naiads. He must still be a child (instead of a teenager, for example), considering that at the Chiron's wife holds him on her lap and shows him to Peleus before Peleus leaves with the Argonauts in Book I. Hera suggests that Thetis isn't a figure present in this part, so I imagine that Thetis must not have been frequent in Pelion. Still, part of the reason why she helps the Argonauts is precisely Achilles, so I think that even though she was far away [5], she still cared about him.

I think that, while living with Peleus, Thetis was, in a way, already trying to fit into a life that was not hers. The sea was her life. Hence the obvious difference in the way she dresses. While in Phtia, she focuses on dressing like a high-class mortal, as she's married to a mortal king. However, she still wears marine colors, wave patterns, and pearl accessories because I imagine that even though she can no longer be at sea, Thetis still wants to keep part of where she came from with her.

After leaving Phtia, I imagine that she goes back to wearing less detailed peplos and her hair loose like the other nymphs. Because she doesn't feel like she needs to look like a king's wife and prefers the way she was before.

SKYROS

The second drawing is basically the myth in which Thetis, fearing that her son will follow the part of the prophecy that says he will die young, ends up hiding Achilles on the island of Skyros. Thanks to this, Achilles is one of the last to be recruited by the Achaeans to go to Troy. I think that being one of the only moments where it could just be her and her son, I like to imagine that Tethys would be a relatively more frequent presence. Perhaps Thetis was even excited by the idea of having him away from everything and wanted to enjoy it, deep down feeling that the time would one day come. So I like to think that she actively enjoyed arranging his hair into intricate hairstyles and choosing what he would wear. After all, Achilles himself wouldn't know how to do this because he'd never done it before.

She loved Achilles very much. It's evident in every scene of hers in The Iliad. She always listens to him, demands a favor from Zeus to follow his wish, appears with her sisters to console him after the death of Patroclus, and then demands a favor from Hephaestus to make armor for him (Book I, Book VIII, Book XVIII, Book XXIV). In the Odyssey, it's also said that from the sea came a terrifying scream that made the Achaeans, even the bravest, start running in the direction of ships until they noticed that it was Thetis, coming out of the sea after discovering the death of Achilles. After that, she's one of the people responsible for his funeral and is the one who chooses the prizes for his funeral games (Book XXIV)

So yeah, seeing as she's, I think Thetis would enjoy Skyros for as long as she can. Unfortunately for us, there is no Greek play/poem on the subject, at most mentions in other literary works and representations in art. The other sources are Roman, not Greek.[6]

DESIGN

Finishing with the design. Achilles' design has already been explained here and here. The difference is that in those designs he's already in Troy and, therefore older. I'm following one of the versions given by Pseudo-Apollodorus, in which he says that Achilles was fifteen years old at the time of preparations to go to Troy. So I'm giving him fifteen on Skyros too before he's discovered (fourteen at most, but I imagine fifteen). Here he's less tanned because he didn't spend the 10 years in Troy, but he's still tanned because he spent at least part of his life in Pelion. Shorter hair because it hadn't grown as much. He's also shorter in height. My adult Achilles is 1,90 (6'3), and here I imagine he's still tall compared to the other girls on Skyros, but not as tall as he is as an adult.

Regarding Thetis, I imagine her tall because she's not mortal, very pale because it reminds me of the coldness of the depths of the sea, with black eyes since fish usually have black eyes and blonde hair because Achilles' blonde hair reinforces his demigod trait, so I imagine it came from Thetis. The sharp teeth are not fangs, just slightly larger canines, which even humans can have. I imagine her being just over 2 meters tall in her main form, but being able to change her height.

Her having more obvious fish features, like the fin on her ear, isn't accurate with Greek mythology. In Greek mythology, nymphs have the same appearance as others: that is, similar to mortals, just very beautiful. However, I took the liberty of bringing her closer to fish features as I see people doing with various characters in modern interpretations. But I imagine that she when in Phytia's palace, wore a more human appearance. In the first image, she's in the sea, so it isn't a concern.

NOTES (I think...?)

1. Fun fact: a similar scene is in Hymn to Demeter with Demeter (Thetis), Metanira (Peleus), and Triptolemus (Achilles).

Demeter, disguised as an old human woman, receives hospitality from Metanira while searching for her daughter Persephone, who had been forcibly kidnapped by Hades. As a way of rewarding Metanira for her hospitality, Demeter intends to immortalize her son Triptolemus, using ambrosia and fire to do so. Once, Metanira sees her doing this and is scared, thinking that Demeter is trying to kill her son. Metanira's reaction and Peleus's are written in an extremely similar way. Demeter then reveals herself as a goddess and is stressed by Metanira's interruption.

2. One of the reasons cited by Hera, along with her having raised Thetis, which is a detail that is also present in The Iliad, for her to like Thethis. This is mentioned in The Iliad in Book XXIV. Hera raising Thetis is also identified by Pseudo-Apollodorus.

3. In the same book of The Iliad (XXIV), there is a mention of Hera having chosen Peleus.

4. She transformed into different animals to try to escape Peleus, but unfortunately, she couldn't. Examples of them fighting: 1, 2, 3, 4.

5. It's consistent with Euripides' version in Iphigenia in Aulis. Clytemnestra asks Agamemnon if it was Thetis or Peleus who raised Achilles, and he responds that it was Chiron since Peleus gave Achilles to him when he was still young because he didn't want him to learn the customs of wicked mortals.

Apollonius and Euripides give us both Peleus and Thetis as absent parents in Achilles' growth, apparently Chiron being the central figure for Achilles. However, Homer apparently did not. Achilles is still trained by Chiron, just as his father was, and there are signs of the centaur in the narrative (such as the mention of Patroclus knowing how to heal because Achilles, having been taught by Chiron, taught him. And also the ash spear itself having previously been of Chiron. This spear is mentioned that only Achilles of the Achaeans can lift).

But we have Phoenix in Book IX describing how he participated in the education of Achilles, saw him as a son, and he told things in general that happened in Phthia. In turn, Thetis occasionally mentions that she raised Achilles (although, perhaps it's a matter of translation and in the original Greek it's more linked to giving birth? But in the translation I read it's in the sense of being present in the growth). There's the whole thing about Patroclus having grown up in Phtia with him and Peleus knowing him well enough to entrust Achilles to him.

Furthermore, it's said that Peleus sent Achilles to Agamemnon, not that he was found in Skyros (Book IX). But Skyros is still mentioned as the place where Achilles' son Neoptolemus is (Book XIX). So, for Homer, Achilles was still on Skyros and had a son there (I assume Deidameia is the mother since in later versions she is, but Homer doesn't give a name), but he was not discovered in Skyros. I've seen this interpreted as a lie, since the person saying this is Odysseus (along with Diomedes, he's often said to have discovered Achilles in Skyros) and he could be covering up the way Achilles was found, since there were other characters present in this scene. But in the end it's still an interpretation, we can't say for sure.

In addition to Greek mythology, the relationship of Achilles and Chiron is still an important relationship of the character of Achilles present in Roman mythology.

6. The best-known version of the myth is Statius's incomplete epic called Achilleid. But it's a Roman version, so I'll avoid considering it here since I'm only referring to Greek mythology and I prefer not to mix the two too much. Despite this, it's possible to know that it's a myth of Greek origin from a few Greek sources on the subject that have come down to us.

#ik #digital art #greek mythology #tagamemnon #the iliad #achilles #argonautica #peleus #phyrra #hera #thetis

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whumpster-fire · 3 months

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Rating the Overlords in Hazbin Hotel:

#10: Valentino. Bitch ass motherfucker supreme. I want him to die and I want it to hurt the whole time he is dying. Fucking scumbag. Also IDGAF if he's a moth I will always maintain the headcanon that the sleazy prick is a pubic louse.

#9: That one blue firey skeleton dude in the meeting who didn't say anything. Has literally no characterization.

#8: Zeezi (that one pink and green lady at the meeting): Has literally no characterization but that color scheme is eye bleeding and I'm here for it.

#7: Rosie. Man she's cool and all, helpful to Charlie, friends with Alastor, but she just doesn't capture my interest the way the others do. Being the overlord of cannibals is a really niche thing it seems like compared to being in control of major forces that are fucking up society, I have a feeling she maintains her position because (a) she's smart, and (b) the other overlords don't really want her domain because taking eating human flesh to the level of an obsession is kind of dweeb behavior.

#6: Velvette. Horrible cringe zoomer iPad kid (or Millennial, I don't know). I absolutely love the fact that she showed up at the meeting and literally everyone else in the room was like "What's with this sassy... lost child?" Has so much potential though for her character to embody the absolute worst of internet culture. Next season I want to see Velvette trolling, going "L + Block + Ratio," and doxxing random sinners and getting them killed for her own entertainment.

#5: Carmilla Carmine. Awesome. I like seeing people in hell who are still people and not obsessed with becoming the most cartoonishly evil motherfucker possible because "hey we're already in hell, might as well get crazy." People can have friends, family, etc. and still do shit that gets them sent to hell. I'm getting "was leader of an organized crime family in life" vibes. Also has vibes of being one of the less horrible overlords to work for because she's emotional stable enough to know that being cruel to your minions for fun is bad for morale.

#4: Husk. Okay he's a former overlord but let's say Overlord Emeritus. He has my respect as an overlord for dying in like the 70s but choosing an absolutely classic vice to make his domain: drinking and gambling. Also the timeline here implies he rose to power when Alastor was already around. I wonder if there was a power vacuum because Al killed the previous overlord of gambling?

#3: Vox. I hate his cringey techbro ass but in a "I want to put this man in a jar and shake it vigorously" way. The fact that he actually enjoys Valentino's company is a major minus though. I kind of wanted to see a strained business relationship where he dislikes Val immensely but works with him because sex sells and Val has the market cornered. Also his voice is kind of... generic. I was really hoping for him to have a Mid-Atlantic Accent but of a more "mid-century TV anchor" type to make it extra clear how much he wants to rip off / replace Alastor and as a part of him that isn't as hip and modern as Mr. Died In the 50s wants to present himself as.

#2: Zestial. Hello Mr. Tall Dark and Mysterious. He is so fucking cool. I want so badly to believe that he and Alastor are genuinely friends and respect each other but also Alastor respects Zestial enough to want him to think he's cool, and when Zestial showed up Alastor internally panicked because of 'Oh shit my friend showed up while I'm being trailed by the lamest minions in hell, he's going to think they're mine this is so embarrassing!'

#1: Alastor. What a fucking guy. This man is being dragged kicking and screaming into character development and I am here for it.

#hazbin hotel #overlords (HH)#alastor hazbin hotel

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short-wooloo · 7 months

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Okay, one complaint I keep seeing about ahsoka (and to an extent the rest of disney SW) that I disagree with is this claim of "lightsabers don't kill anyone anymore"

Or "only Qui-Gon dies from a lightsaber"

Specifically referring to being stabbed by a lightsaber

And let's just examine this shall we?

First, all of the persons who survived a lightsaber stab were stabbed in the stomach/lower abdomen

That's a survivable injury irl

Here's some fiction 101 for ya: when you want to seriously injure a character, like near death injure, but don't want to actually kill them, you go for the lower abdomen

(for example: Weiss, Blake, and Hazel in RWBY)

Actually, a lightsaber stab to the lower abdomen might be more survivable, since lightsabers cauterize wounds

Now, let's take a look at our stab survivors specifically, we have Reva, the Grand Inquisitor, Sabine, and kylo ren

That's 4 characters, hardly "no one can die of a lightsaber anymore"

But why did they survive?

Well, out of universe the explanation is these are major characters, they can't die because that's the narrative

And for these 4 characters who survive, there's numerous minor/background/secondary characters who die from lightsaber stabbing

But let's examine the in universe reasons they survived shall we?

The Grand Inquisitor and Reva are dark siders, it is well established by now that through rage dark siders can cling to life even through worse injuries

But we can also assume from the "text" that Reva and the GI received medical attention rather quickly, the fact that Vader had the GI with him, alive and well, implies he personally intervened to save his life

And Reva was left alone in the Hidden Path base, which was established in Part IV to have a medical facility, she could have easily used it to self administer care

(And regarding her surviving Anakin's mass shooting, well rage keeping her alive still applies, as does medical supplies, but also it's possible that Anakin didn't take the time to make sure all the kids he killed were dead)

More importantly, Kenobi does a tremendous amount of legwork to establish that lightsaber stabbing to the lower abdomen is survivable

It starts by stabbing the Grand Inquisitor, a character who shows up later in the timeline (which everyone ignored for baseless stupid clone/zombie theories)

And when Reva is stabbed at the end of part V, the episode had already established in flashbacks that she had survived this injury before

Now let's cover kyle

He didn't actually survive

Because Rey healed him

Was it stupid that she did that? Yes, but not because it's impossible, it was stupid because why would she do this

And then we have sabine (rip to Rebels sabine, you weren't my favorite, but you weren't unbearable)

This one actually relates to why Qui-Gon couldn't survive

Sabine got medical attention soon after stabbing, Qui-Gon did not

Rewatch Phantom Menace, take note of what happens after Qui-Gon is stabbed

1. Obi-Wan and maul glare at each other through a force field for an undetermined amount of time

2. Obi-Wan and Maul duel for a few minutes

3. Obi-Wan spends an undetermined amount of time hanging over a bottomless pit

4. Obi-Wan defeats Maul

5. Qui-Gon has some last words with Obi-Wan

6. Qui-Gon dies

Maybe if he had received medical attention immediately he would have survived

And ultimately, the reason Qui-Gon dies is the same reason lightsabers are more fatal to minor characters

The narrative, Qui-Gon needs to be gone so Obi-Wan will be the one who trains Anakin, and thus he dies

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #lightsabers #lightsaber #obi wan kenobi #reva sevander #grand inquisitor #qui gon jinn #sabine wren #kylo ren #sw analysis

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Thoughts on Grahamfield?

Thank you for an interesting question. I'm going to split my answer into two parts - first my thoughts on Warren himself and then my thoughts on shipping him with Max.

I like Warren, if only for the fact that on two separate occasions he helped Max when she was in a tough spot.

The confrontation between Max and Nathan at the parking lot in Episode 1 could've easily turned out to be deadly. Most likely, Nathan was still armed. We know he didn't throw his gun away after running from the bathroom, because he had the exact same pistol on him in Episode 4. Which also goes to show he would go around campus armed.

So if Warren hadn't tackled Nathan to the ground, allowing Max to hop into Chloe's truck, it's very likely Nathan would've pulled his gun out to threaten Max with and then shot her, just like he had shot Chloe. Only this time there would be no one to rewind the murder.

The confrontation in Episode 4, in the boys' dorms, was even more likely to have a fatal result. We know for a fact that Nathan was armed. This time it was Chloe acting as a distraction, pushing Nathan away long enough for the cavalry, in the form of Warren, to come to the rescue. Had it not been for them, Max would've likely been murdered by Nathan.

I think it's interesting that on both of those occasions Warren acted in tandem with Chloe. I don't think that takes away from Warren's or Chloe's efforts. Helping others is not a zero-sum game, where only one person can get the credit. And I think it's only fitting that a kind person like Max, who cares about others, has other people coming to her aid when she in turn needs it.

I will always appreciate Warren for giving Nathan a well-deserved beating. Remember, the confrontation in the dorms takes place mere minutes after Max finds in Nathan's drawer the horrifying picture of unconscious Chloe, which Nathan kept as a revolting souvenir. At that point, neither Max nor the player (if you play for the first time) knows why Nathan went around drugging and kidnapping girls. So the implications of the picture were obvious and horrifying. When you heard Chloe and Kate tell about their encounters with Nathan for the first time, wasn't your takeaway that he attempted to date rape Chloe and date raped Kate? What other explanation there could be for a boy drugging girls unconscious and bringing them to a secluded location? And the revelation that Nathan "only" wanted to take pictures doesn't make his attempted kidnapping of Chloe any less fucked up. At that point he had already killed Rachel by overdosing her. So despite the crocodile tears he recorded in Max's voice mail, he didn't mind the possibility of overdosing yet another girl for the purposes of his "art". Why would he mind it? This time it wouldn't be his friend, just some "whore".

So I will always think kindly of Warren, if only for the fact that he gave Nathan a little bit of his own medicine. That the made Nathan feel just as powerless as Nathan did to his victims.

I guess you could say that Warren's fights with Nathan were motivated by his desire to impress Max (in the parking lot) and to avenge his wounded male pride (in the dorms). But I think it would be an extremely uncharitable interpretation. Even if the abovementioned emotions factored into his actions, that doesn't change the fact he did help Max on those occasions.

I always find it funny that the dynamic between Max, Warren and Brooke is a representation of the "high school boy is trying to win over the affection of a beautiful girl but is completely oblivious that a cute nerdy girl in glasses is totally into him". I love the fact that in this context it makes Max into the "popular girl". Honestly, the best case scenario would be Warren finally seeing the writing on the wall and realizing how lucky he is to have someone as cool as Brooke crushing on him. And for some reason he really has trouble realizing that. Even in the alternate timeline he's dating Stella. I ship Warren with Brooke, mainly for her sake. That girl is a go-getter. She set her mind on something and is reaching for it. That always warrants my respect.

A thing I like about Warren is that he can be a gracious loser and that's an increasingly rare talent. After Chloe texted him about Max kissing her, he texted Max saying: "Your friend Chloe txtd me that I'm out of the loop now. She sounds hot so I get why. Now I get why you didn't want to 'Go Ape' with me. You should go with Chloe". Seriously, he took that like a champ, on the chin.

Some fans consider Warren to be “creepy” or even “stalkerish”. The most convincing piece of evidence supporting this accusation is him waiting outside Max’s dorm at the beginning of Episode 2. If Max walks over to the window quickly enough, she can see Warren peeking from behind corner, looking at the dorm door, almost certainly in anticipation of Max walking out, to chat her up.

Honestly, I don’t think this is such a damning piece of evidence. Yeah, he wanted to invite her to the movies. Would it be any different if he sought her out during the day, at school? I also don't find his behaviour around Max in general to be inappropriate or creepy. Awkward, perhaps. We need to keep in mind that it's not like at that point he had been hounding Max for months, refusing to take no for an answer. At the beginning of Season 1, they had known each other for no longer than a month (Max had just moved back into town at the start of the school year and it was only October). Their interactions so far involved him borrowing Max his movie stash and them exchanging some text messages (well, at one point it devolved into him sending text messages and Max not responding). I really don't think that at that point him trying to ask her out is somehow inappropriate or pushing.

There's also the shrine in Warren's locker Max can find in her nightmare. In my mind the nightmare represents a twisted version of reality, shaped solely by Max's fears and doubts. The opposite of how Max truly feels and thinks. Just like we shouldn't believe the lies told about Chloe by "Other Max", I don't think that we should treat the shrine in Warren's locker as some revelation.

I think it needs to be said - an unrequited crush doesn't make you a creep. It seems that Warren has a genuine crush on Max (I hesitate to call it love, because in Season 1 they had known each other for a month and they hadn't even been on a single date yet). But even if you see Max didn't return his feelings (I sure see it that way, based on the totality of interactions between them), that doesn't make him a stalker or a creep. If you disregard BtS (where Rachel was equally as interested in pursuing Chloe romantically, if not more, as Chloe was interested in her) and only take into account Season 1, then it is clear that while Chloe was deeply in love with Rachel, Rachel only saw her as a friend. But it would be wrong and unfair to say that Chloe was a creep for being head over heels in love with her friend who didn't love her back. It would be wrong and unfair to say that Chloe's monthslong search for Rachel wasn't a proof of her genuine friendship, loyalty and commitment to Rachel, because she had unrequited love for her, which somehow tainted her motives. I think the same reasoning should apply to Warren.

Now let's move on to the ship itself. Having said all that, that I like Warren, that I don't think he's a creep and that I think his crush on Max was genuine, I see no way for Grahamfield to work, if we're sticking to the events of the game.

In the Bae ending, even if the love between Max and Chloe remained purely platonic (the last diary entry before the final choice is always, regardless of player choices, Max saying that Chloe is like family to her and that she's about to find out if what's between them is love or friendship - so let's consider a timeline where Max decides Chloe is like a sister, not like a girlfriend to her), then the Grahamfield ship still would have zero chances of ever floating, for the simple reason that one half of it is dead.

And in the Bay ending, I can't imagine Max ever ending up with Warren. Bay Max has just killed her best friend by pushing her back in front of a barrel of a gun. The friend whose last words were always that she loved Max ("I love you, Max. See you around" if you overdose her in Episode 4, "I'll always love you" if you sacrifice her in Episode 5, she always says that regardless of player choices). Max immediately seeking solace in the arms of a boy she barely knows, that she hasn't even been on a single date with, would be extremely out of character for her. And I don't think she would be interested in pursuing Warren at a later date. She would always have at the back of her mind that he's among the people she killed Chloe for. I think that would poison any chance at a relationship.

A few months ago I exchanged comments with another LiS player regarding the ending. They told me that they sacrificed Chloe, because they preferred Max to end up with Warren. Granted, they were more of a casual player - they admitted to not reading Max's diary, not even a little bit. But even if you disregard the diary and even if you interpret the relationship between Max and Chloe as purely platonic, at least from Max's side, I can't imagine Max ever thinking like that. Wouldn't that be a totally unhinged way of thinking? Sacrificing a life long best friend for a boy that you've met a month ago, that you haven't even been on a single date with? Who is basically a stranger that you know very little about?

In a timeline with no Storm or in which Warren survives the Storm, I can easily see him and Max becoming friends, if only for their shared taste in movies.

In a timeline with no Storm AND in which Max's feelings for Chloe are different from the ones she expresses in game (in her dialogues, internal monologues and diary entries) I can imagine Max and Warren going on dates. Whether that would result in a relationship or not is impossible to say, because we have never even seen them on a single date. Maybe they would immediately hit it off. Or maybe after fifteen minutes they would both be tired of each other. Who knows?

So back to the question of how I feel about Grahamfield - even though I don't ship that particular ship, it doesn't offend my sensibilities. The only ships that offend my sensibilities are those which pair up abusers with their victims, which is clearly not the case here. But I just don't see that ship happening if we stick by canon events. If we imagine some sort of alternate universe, divergent from canon in the ways I described above, then I guess that could work.

#max caulfield #warren graham #grahamfield #brooke scott #grahamscott #chloe price #nathan prescott #life is strange #lis

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wildglitch · 1 month

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More ideas for the What if...Zombies Spidey X DC AU

I wanna expand from this a bit cause I thought of it the other day and it wont leave me alone 💀

Anyways, these are just some points I have decided to add to this AU starting with Peters background and what I think he went through. Since this is mostly Marvel stuff, you can even ignore the DC aspect of it

Buckle in cause its a long one

-The Zombie apocolyps started when Janet got back, and canonically, that was about a month before Bruce showed up. So we have a month to play with and get everyone together, but honestly, that too little time for me man. So Im changing the timeline so that everything started 7-8 months earlier. That gives our heros time to find eachother at diffrent times and overall really let Peter live in a full blown Zombie apocolyps

-Peter, totally spent like a full month and some alone. He was told by Tony to "stay put and help the little guys" and just never saw him again. Poor guy.

-All his friends and familly died within the first week. Some lasted a bit more then others but all of them ended up getting infected. So by the second week Peter had lost everyone he ever knew and loved

-Peter spent his month alone searching New York for survivers. He was so deaspreate to find people and protect his city that he would go days on end without sleeping or eating.

-In his attemps to find any living being, he made all of Queens and later the rest of New York into his web, so he could know whenever anyone got caught in it ( like how Andrew Spider-Man tracked the Lizard in his movie but way bigger) He also has help from all the surviving spiders helping him in his search

-Adding to that- his webs? Zombies dont like it. Peter upgraded the formula to make some that dont disintigrate, but Its not that it hurts them, they just avoid it. he thinks they can tell they shouldnt touch them.

-A month alone has gotten Peter to see things. Thing he wishes no other person has to ever whitness ("Holy fucking shit the rats got infected!")

- Peter made himself a guide for this like in Zombieland. Rule 7. Dont go into the sewars

- Peter killed 9 Zombies in his time alone and he hated it

-We could either do "Bucky arrives to the webbed New York and finds feral spider child who attacts him cause Peter hasent sleeped in many days and hes scared shitless of the first human he finds" or " Hope is informed by the others that they havent gone into New York cause something is guarding it. But when she enters to investigate, insted of finding some eldrict Zombie horror, she finds a small scared teen in his web that just wants a hug from a matrnal figure" pick your favorite, (it could also possibly be both tbh)

-Momma Wasp > Mother Potts (Im sorry but its true 😔, the content dosent lie)

-Peter was one of the last if not the last person to join the group before the episode happend and when he saw all of the people that were there, insted of being sad of how few they were, he cried tears of pure joy over the fact he wasnt the last person alive

-Peter Hugged happy and he didnt get pushed away :)

- Peter hasent showerd in weeks Parker: Im so happy Im not alone!

The adults, who havent had as nearly as bad as a time as Peter: Have you meet soap????

- Peter had already made the base we see in the episode long before the others arrived. He had hoped it would be one of many safe houses for the survivers he would find, but that quickly become a broken dream. He was so happy to be able to use it, and no ones had the heart to reject his base even though they had their conserns about the saftey of it. (the base never once fell due to Peters care)

- Peter was super deppressed even though he tried to hid it, so Kurt, being the only semi-normal person there, told Peter to make videos for future survivers they find. And thus, his guide become digital!

-I like to think the group had like 4 or 5 more people at the begining, but over the course of the months, they ended up dying and getting infected before the episode.

Possible characters could be:

Matt Murdock: survived cause he could tell when someone got turned (he's canon now so it counts lol)

Any of the Barton kids: They where pretty isolated, so maybe we could have one of them survive and be rescuede by a S.H.E.I.L.D agent and end up with the group (+2 angst points for losing their sibilngs)

Jack Lockly: And only him. The rest of the group see this random cabie surviver wondering "how tf?", while in reality, he was minding his own business at the back of the mind and is now forced to front 24/7 cause they are in constant danger with the Zombies and he has no idea what to do. (The others are not responding, he has a big ass bird yelling at him, and he has no clue what to do with the body or how to fully take care of it)

Darcy Lewis: She was in her 2 broke girls era when shit hit the fan and now she's here

Kamala Khan: *Looks into boxs grandma brough during visit* *takes bangle while running from Zombie* *Puts it on* *Survives* *Suprised Pikachu face*

You could posibly add other characters you like, but dont forget that these guys have to die by the time the episode rolls around so keep that in mind

-adding to that last to point:

1.Matt and Peter became close and would go on suplie runs together. Matt trained Peter a bit, and Peter would acompany Matt to church. Not cause he has too, but because he wants to be there with him. Something happend and Matt sacrificed himself to save Peter. Achevment Unlocked: The Sensei always dies

2.Peter, Becomes friends with the other Surviving kids: *Insert happy spider*

His friends end up dying: *insert depressed boi*

3. Pete: Sooooooo

Jake: ?

Peter:... Have you ever had to deal with this old Dominican lady named miss Sanches that lives between 7th and 8th?

Jake: Thats really racist, yk that

Peter: OH! No- I just

Jake deals with horibble passengers Lockly: But Yes! jfc she was the worst!

Peter deals with the little people Parker: RIGHT!?

4. Darcy Lewis: *determend to save this poor kids love life*

Peter fought his dates dad Parker: Boy do I have some bad news for you

5. And saddest one: Whenever one of them died, Peter would take their belongings and burn all but one thing a keep it on him to remember them by. I'll let you sit with that

Remember, That up there is in the gray bettween canon an non-canon. I'll let you guys pick.

-Hope became a mother figure to him. We always have the "Oh so and so is his dad" or "Hes totally *Insert characters* son"- NO! HE IS A MAMAS BOY! Look at Him! That boy was raised by a woman, to respect women and Im teird of people ignoring it! (Lmao)

He bonds with her over science, their experiences with super heroing, bugs, and their want to save those who they have lost. When she found him, he was so teird that he mistaked her for his aunt May and cried into her arms. they dont talk about it much, but Hope put in the effort so that he dosent have to do to many hard things.

-You ever seen any of the marvel cast interveiws? ya, thats Peter and Buckys relationship just more in character. sure, dose Bucky see a bit of Steve in Peter? Sure, but not enough to stop him from throwing that lil' shit to the wolfs (Zombies) . Remember how in another post I mentioned how Peter would be thrown out the window? Ok, now imagien them having to be roommates because of how the base is set up (Every one must share a bus with another).

Peter may have lived with the others. But Bucky was his Roommate, and they both know shit you can only learn by sharing a room. Its a constant game of blackmail and horror.

-Happy's additude twords Peter turns from Homecomming to Far from home In this time.

-Every Holiday was celebrated.

-And Finally, Every death hit much harder due to all of them being much closer

Do I have more? Yes. Is this post way too long? Most definetly. Do I regret it? Kinda, but its fine. Will I make another post focusing more on the crossover side of things? Of most definetly and that is a threat.

But for now, I give you Zombie! Peter AU "Content". (Not the comic, but thw What If episode) (Can you telling I'm having fun with this AU?)

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