#wei wuxian did nothing wrong

[bamboo-gdn]

Wei WuXian didn't fail.

Burial Mounds settlement with the Wens wasn't worthless. And I'm not saying this because Sizhui survived. Wei WuXian gave them a place to live together. It wasn't the best place but it was something, more than the cultivation world had allowed them. Because the Wen Remnants were doomed since the end of the war, they were destined to die. So what matters is how they died. They didn't die humiliated in a labour camp but fighting for the life they had a right to live.

Wei WuXian gave them time, time they treasured till the end and even after the end. Because of that, even after being killed unjustified and not being given a proper burial they were able to move on. Because of that, when they came back they decided it was more important to protect those they had left than to harm those who had killed them.

So, Wei WuXian didn't fail.

#wwx #wy #wen remnants #burial mounds #wei wuxian #wei ying #burial mounds fam #wei ying did his best #for the wens that was enough #wei wuxian did nothing wrong #the wens were masacred unjustly #forever bitter that cql didn't add the second siege scene #one of the bests scenes #wei ying found family #wen remnants did nothing wrong

[wutheringskies]

if I start posting more mdzs analysis I'm going to upset a lot of side characters enjoyer and tbh it's just a book and not that serious (except it is which is why I have a blog for it lmao)

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian did nothing wrong #whoever thinks otherwise failed to appreciate the canon themes #and that is okay you can have your own interpretations #but i personally think death of the author is a stupid concept #mdzs is very tightly written #you just turn a blind eye or develop 0 reading comprehension to get it wrong #other interpretations are cool and interesting but not canon #wei wuxian #lan wangji #wangxian

[agustdonewithit]

The Untamed was a nice show but gods, it did so much wrong to Wei Wuxian by making him do actual bad things.

The core of Wei Wuxian's character in the book is that he did nothing wrong. He made the right choice for the right reasons over and over again, despite what it would cost him, and it backfired because nobody helped. Because people demonized him, envied him. It is the same thing with Xie Lian in HOB

Both of them did the right thing. Wei Wuxian was right to help the Wen. Xie Lian was right to try to save his country. It was the moral thing to do. But everyone stood by and mocked them, and nobody really helped. So it failed. Because even if they are heros, genius, even if they try everything, they are only one person.

The moral of the story, of both stories, is that as soon as one person stood up and fight for them, fight with them, they won. The moral of the story is don't trust people bad mouthing others. But that's exactly what some fans do.

I am so pissed off when I see people talking about "what a wonderful flawed character Wei Wuxian is". He is not. That's the point. That's what makes the story interesting. He is strong and good and yet he fails, because people are cowards, people are mean, people are greedy, and you can't win alone against the world. You can be the nicest, and people will still find something wrong with you. People you are trying to help will still find things to complain about and will blame you for anything.

And it's even less subtil in HOB, clearly the author knew some people missed the point.

If you only saw the show, go read the book. That's a different character and a way better story.

And stand by people who try to do good even if you think they will fail. Alone, they sure will.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #wei wuxian did nothing wrong #hob #getting back from a year long leave just to say that

[thegreatgremlingang]

people hating on Jiang Cheng are actually insane

ALL HE DID WAS GET ANGRY LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN AND BE A LIL AWKWARD TO WWX (Who actually broke his promise first btw)

and before you say "ooooh but he committed war crimes" let me raise you with a "EVERYBODY WHO HAS PARTICIPATED IN SUNSHOT INCLUDING YOUR LOVELY POOKIES WWX AND LWJ HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS OK"

He did nothing wrong. He was just acting like a normal human from actual real Earth instead of a righteous and polished fictional character. And he got verbally shat on ALL THE TIME for it.

I like both twin prides its just kinda wild to me how WWX is so loved but JC is so hated by a lot of fans even though neither of them did anything wrong

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk kids see you next time

#jiang cheng #jiang cheng did nothing wrong #and neither did wei wuxian #twin prides of yunmeng #mdzs #just me and my thoughts

[ookamikabu]

I'm going to come out and say that the more I re-read MDZS the more I actually HATE WWX.

I know he's a protag so everything is supposed to be about "poor me I've done nothing wrong" but I can't stand those types of people. He would be a person where if he existed in real life I would not be able to be around him.

I've actually become more of a Jiang Cheng apologist (actually, no, because that implies that he's ever done anything wrong).

I read through all the main points and here are a few things that piss me off. Please add on if I missed something:

WWX is obviously favored by JFM and if JC brings up this concern, all WWX says is: "no he doesn't lol you're so silly I'm not his son" TBH WWX wasn't his child but JFM had a son and it wasn't JC

Golden Core transfer. Need I say less (and fuck you Wen Ning for saying JC didn't deserve the core and the power he had wasnt actually his. He cultivated it for YEARS to get it to where it is today. It is NOT WWXs core anymore. Fuck all yall)

WWX defecting from YMJ and going with the Wens when JC had NOTHING. No sect, no support, no family. He's a new sect leader and has no resources or money to do anything or go against anyone. And thanks WWX for defending the people that, you know, massacred his family but whatever. (I understand they were innocent but still, I can tell it would really hurt JC)

Along with the defecting, WWX and LWJ broke into Lotus Pier and BOWED TO MADAM YU AND JFM WITHOUT JCs APPROVAL. DISRESPECTFUL AS HELL I KNOW WHY JC WAS PISSED. WWX had NO RIGHT to be there after everything he had done.

WWX tells JC to leave everything in the past. As usual, he is running away and not accepting any consequences for the many, many, things he's done wrong. If I were JC, I would permanently ban him from Lotus Pier and kill on sight because if he wants to leave things in the past, then that includes WWX.

Lastly, WWX never once defends JC. Whether it be against LWJ, Wen Ning, or other people that say terrible shit to him because they're being petty. Not once does he come to his defense.

To end my rant, WWX is actually a very terrible person (and so is Lan Wangji. Fight me) with no sense and I finally realized it after re reading the book multiple times. Come at me if you want but this is my honest opinion and I get why JC is such an ass because BITCH ME TOO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE.

Hopefully I have some support here but I also know I'm going to get some hate.

#jiang cheng #wei wuxian #mdzs #lan wangji #anti wei wuxian #anti lan wangji #anti wen ning #jiang cheng is a good boy #i kin him #thanks for coming to my ted talk #bad parent jiang fengmian #jiang cheng support #jiang wanyin #jiang cheng did nothing wrong

[misrepresentedmorallygrey]

PROPAGANDA

Jonathan Sims

Half the fandom will vilify him and call him stupid or an irredeemable monster for his choices, which he made because he was a little sneaky. The other half will woobify and baby him and act like he had no agency or choice in his actions and every other character is to blame for the consequences.

The classic monster/human struggle of finding one's humanity after doing unimaginable harm, Jon Sims is often morally misinterpreted as being a "good" or "bad" person, instead of someone who has done good and bad things in his very human experience of having the world's most toxic workplace and being in his 20s.

Fandom constantly asserts he’s done nothing wrong and can do no wrong however the entire podcast is about how trauma fucks people up. 4th season of the show spends a lot of time on him having a crisis about the morality of feeding off people’s fear in a way that deeply hurts them. Fandom ignores this season apart from to talk about how mean the others characters were to him in it. Characters he’s hurt are described by the fandom as ‘whiny’, ‘self-serving’, ‘a tantruming child’. He has a female narrative foil with a story arc that mirrors his. She is hated by much of the fandom

Wei Wuxian

Sooo many people think he's God's Perfect Little Boy or something but like. This man killed. This man literally tortured someone to death. Was it due to trauma? Sure! Doesn't fucking make it okay! And it's not like he shows true remorse for it either. As much as I love Wei Wuxian, he's not exactly the example of morally good/okay. (Can't say he's evil either though. Like. Look at all the good he did and tried to do in his life.)

He tortured a guy but he also did his best and got a second chance with a new life

#misrepresented morally grey #round 2 #bracket a #did nothing wrong bracket #the magnus archives #jonathan sims #the grandmaster of demonic cultivation #mdzs #wei wuxian

[miiokae]

So I made an edit for the first (and hopefully last) time....it's kind of a wip?? Might polish it might not but ANYWAYS- this show has given me SEVERE brainrot like I've never had before.

#the untamed #wei wuxian #mxtx mdzs #edits #nie huaisang #nie huisang did nothing wrong. #jiang cheng #wen ning #lan wanji #wei wuxian x lan wangji #help meeee #what am i doing #in the fandom trenches rn #fan edit #glorb

[trans-xianxian]

as much as I love wei wuxian and slander against him is banned from this house I Do sometimes think that people forget he's like. supposed to be a morally complex person who did things that were bad. like the whole point of him and his story is that he was a good man who was pushed to do terrible things, and when we fail to examine those terrible things/completely ignore them, we're sort of doing wei wuxian and the points being made by his arc a disservice

#I think ppl get very defensive #and don't realize that bad actions =/= bad person #which is kind of the whole point of story #or even more so like. how justification works into all of it #like objectively mass murder is generally considered not great #but wei wuxian was practically forced through years of mistreatment and public ostracization #into the bloodbath and nevernight #like thats the whole THING thats the whole STORY #and part of his resurrection is him coming to terms with the fact that he did things he never wanted to!!!! #like aaaaadghfhhh shakes you shakes you shakes you THATS THE WHOLE POINT #like I love him we know this I'm his number 1 fan I think his war crimes are sexy etc etc #but when engaging in genuine thoughtful analysis of his character #it is a disservice to say he did nothing wrong #and loving his character Anyway is also kind of the point #someone can do terrible things and still deserve to be loved #ghost posts #text #wwx

[dazaiapologism]

bf was like. hey I heard about this show about like. chinese wizards? and I was in his face like untamed? is it untamed? before he could even ask if I wanted to watch it.

#wei wuxian who did nothing wrong ever

[bamboo-gdn]

Jiang Yanli's love for Wei Wuxian

It wasn’t Jiang Yanli’s job nor duty to protect Wei Wuxian from her mother, but her father's. Jiang Fengmian should be the one being held accountable on not doing enough for Wei Wuxian. Jiang Fengmian was a grown-up trained man, a cultivator, he was a sect leader and had power. Jiang Fengmian also was the one who brought Wei Wuxian in, he was the one who should’ve stood up for Wei Wuxian whenever his wife tried to abuse him physically or emotionally. He was the one who didn’t do enough, and the one whose duty was to protect his supposedly ward.

Jiang Yanli, on the other hand, was a physically weak girl who was always being berated and downplayed by her own mother, and she was only around three years older than Wei Wuxian. She was a kid too. It was definitely not her duty to protect him or stand up for him.

But she did.

She did try to protect him as much as she could till the end. She tried her best even when she didn’t have to because she wanted to, and she loved him as a little brother. She was the one who made him feel loved in his childhood, that’s why he loves her so much.

Also, I really think she protected him successfully. I don’t know why people expect her to be some kind of heroine or superwoman or want her to be one, but she doesn’t need to be that. Just loving him and demonstrating this love is enough. She just needs to be herself to make him happy, and making someone happy is a way on itself of protecting someone. She's more than enough.

Jiang Yanli didn’t fail, she gave Wei Wuxian all she could, and even died for him. It was her blood brother who failed. It was the mob who failed.

She loved him and made him happy, shouldn't that be enough?

#jiang yanli #wei wuxian #jiang yanli and wei wuxian #mo dao zu shi #mdzs #yes that making someone happy is a way of protecting someone on itself is borrowed from fruits basket #fruits basket just changed me in many ways #jyl #wwx #wy #wei ying #jiang yanli love #jiang yanli doesnt deserve hate #jiang yanli did more than enough #jiang yanli is wei wuxian's big sister #wei wuxian is jiang yanli's little brother #jyl & wwx #jiang fengmian #jfm #jiang yanli did nothing wrong #jiang yanli didn't fail #jyl and wwx the real yunmeng siblings

[starpros-sunshine]

sometimes I check mdzs twitter and get reminded that there's apparently people who don't realize that ''a victim of circumstance'' is an option in discussing various questions of guilt regarding the characters

#also that is written as a tragedy the whole point is that things could've worked out if people had just acted differently #You can say what you want but the fact remains wei wuxian didn't get himsefl his reputation for nothing #there is a reason people feared the guy #but you can also admit that he's a victim of circumstance and his story got exxagerated and he got demonized by the people #because that's how told stories work #everyone who tells them interprets them a little bit differently #you can say Jiang Cheng did nothing wrong ever but you can also say the guy is a complete asshole #which is right he is an asshole but he wouldn't have grown up to be one had he grown up differently #though personally I do think it's a little critical to say he always wanted the best for wwx when it has been explicitly stated that #he takes anyone he suspects to be the aforementioned with him and tortures them #that was the word used in german at least #you can talk a lot about jiang cheng actually he's very fun to discuss #<- he says. never having discussed about mdzs characters with anyone ever #but it's fun reading other peoples discussions and adding your own thought salt to the mix #have I mentioned that it's my favourite novel series? #I have yet to read tgcf I'm waiting for the books to be translated into german #which i hope happens sometime soon because I am slowly but surely getting impatient

[muqingapologist]

i think it’s interesting how people often characterize lan wangji’s perspective of wei wuxian during and after the yiling laozi arc like “free my man, he did nothing wrong.” but to me, i feel like this is just selling short his character and his devotion to wwx. the way i see it, when wei wuxian is at his worst and in the years after when wwx comes back, lan wangji isn’t condoning his actions of that era. it’s more like, “i know you were trying to do the right thing, and things spiraled out of control, and i failed to help you back then, and i won’t fail you again.” it’s not wei wuxian’s actions that lan wangji is so defensive of but his intentions. even if lwj didn’t know at the time (and even when he comes back, at first) why wwx chose the ghostly path and gave up righteous cultivation, he has an unshakeable faith in wwx’s moral code, that wwx will do what he feels is right. or at least, doing what he thinks he needs to do to survive. this doesn’t necessarily mean that lan zhan thinks what wwx did as his mental state eroded WAS right. we see this so many times when lan zhan tries to help him, hoping that wwx will return to gusu with him. it’s not until it’s too late, when wwx is truly breaking down, that he understands that that wasn’t the right way to help wwx. the right way is to just be there for him, which is what he does when wwx returns. letting wwx make his own decisions while showing him that there is still someone who believes in him. imo this is much more meaningful than the other interpretation that i see a lot that i mentioned above. it’s about being there for wei wuxian even if he does make the wrong decisions because at the end of the day he knows that wwx, at his core, has good intentions.

#mdzs #mdzs meta #mo dao zu shi #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #wangxian #lan wangji #wei wuxian #lily posts

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I think it is slightly overlooked that Lan Wangji, at first, had been upset that someone as unexpected (to him) as Wei Wuxian could embody everything he admired in what he saw as good and right in the world. He had a very traditional expectation of what that was supposed to present itself as. It wasn't supposed be anything like Wei Wuxian, detachment is what he was told was to cherish.

Yet everything he idealized was in Wei Wuxian. He was thrown off over this and I think this is what he has to come to terms with as he fell deeply in love. It's what made him hesitant in his youth about what propriety was and the conflation in the world that propriety means good as well. It's what makes his core frustration within Xuanwu Cave spill over as he was upset that everything he loved at the time was continually what he was told was the wrong way to be.

I also think it is at that point while not fully understanding Wei Wuxian as a person he accepts his own love of him, and why during the supervisory office he realizes his own assumptions of righteousness hurt Wei Wuxian and caused Wei Wuxian to wall himself up from him for many years. Especially because before Wei Wuxian had taken his surly interactions and harshness in good nature and affectionately until then. He had unintentionally insulted Wei Wuxian's own good nature by clinging to expected but cold proprietary.

He doesn't say what Wei Wuxian himself did to those he killed was wrong, but that he had the potential to lapse out or his chosen moral code. Which does wound Wei Wuxian emotionally as he also idealized what Lan Wangji was as a person and believed they would both see that they were nothing unwavering there. Lan Wangji's own hesitation to drop his assumptions of proprietary meaning moral is his own realization that he has deeply misjudged Wei Wuxian.

After that point he tries to be gentle and probing in his inquiries to Wei Wuxian but Wei Wuxian has already been hurt and put a barrier between them. One that doesn't fall until they are older and Wei Wuxian is revived for Lan Wangji to grow into his own comfortability in what he chooses to follow as his moral path and Wei Wuxian is able to also lower his defenses as he goes back to praising Lan Wangji as a good person and they are both able to stand as equals in meeting the others thoughts and knowing they are able to naturally gravitate to the other in shared moral understanding without fear of offense.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #lan wangji #wangxian

[tossawary]

As much as I enjoy "[Character] did nothing wrong" jokes, I really do enjoy the fact that the MXTX main characters and their love interests very much did some wrong things, actually. Like, yeah, some of their horrific crimes or even just mild wrongdoings are down to impossible circumstances and personal damage that was caused by someone else, but they all have agency and guilt and have to deal with the sort of interpersonal conflicts where no one is the winner. It is so, SO humanizing to have them be imperfect and rude and petty and selfish sometimes! They have hurt people unintentionally and intentionally! It makes their good qualities and efforts to improve shine all the brighter!

And also, I really love it as an aspect of queer romances specifically. If Wei Wuxian or Shen Qingqiu or Xie Lian had never done anything wrong in their lives, then the fact that they fall in love with men might carry an unintentional "look at these poor, innocent gay people who are being mistreated for no reason" message, which could carry the unintentional suggestion that queerness can be "earned" with good behavior. No, these characters have fucked up and have fucked up BADLY. There are such fascinating themes in these books about loving people who are seen as monsters or have done monstrous things, about having done unforgivable things yourself, about questioning what exactly is "sinful" and what you do with your life after your good reputation in "good society" has been utterly ruined.

This also brings up themes about "deserving". None of the characters are loved because they necessarily "deserve" to be loved, but because someone chose to love them. They get happy endings not because they "deserve" them - lots of characters in these stories "deserved" better and died anyway - but because they fought for them and were lucky. And I personally find that more interesting and touching than "[Character] did nothing wrong".

Keep the "[Character] did nothing wrong" jokes coming, though. They're often very funny. I especially love it when they're about characters who very obviously did many things wrong on purpose and aren't sorry about it in the slightest.

#tossawary svsss #tossawary mdzs #tossawary tgcf #spoilers

[hannigramislife]

Nothing confuses me like being in the mdzs fandom.

Sometimes, I feel like I misunderstand the story completely by some of the takes I see. As if my interpretations of the characters are backward completely.

Like, y'all do understand that one of the reasons Jin Guangyao never harmed Lan Xichen is because he simply never had cause to??? Lan Xichen was always in his side, but let me be absolutely clear, if he had become as much of a problem as Nie Mingjue was, I don't doubt Jin Guangyao would have sacrificed him for his personal safety as well. Not because Jin Guangyao didn't care, but because his whole thing is that he'll do what it takes to survive.

In addition, Wei Wuxian is not innocent in all that mess. He is not a misunderstood hero who was turned on because society didn't accept his cultivation ways or whatever. Wei Wuxian died because in his first life, he did what he thought was right...with absolutely no pre-planning and no care for consequences whatsoever. He never thought past his own perspective and didn't realize how his actions could affect others, and he definitely didn't realize he doesn't live in a vacuum. Lives were lost to his arrogance/ignorance.

I have other hot takes, some of which I've talked about before; like how Jiang Cheng is actually a phenomenal character, how Xue Yang's actions are the easiest to understand despite their nature, how Lan Wangji's fatal flaw is his righteousness and how Nie Mingjue did not at first judge Meng Yao due to his birth status—

However, I feel like that might be a can of worms I'm unwilling to open, battles I'm not willing to fight.

...

What remains an undisputable truth however, is that Jin Ling is the best boy, who has done nothing wrong in his life, ever—

#the untamed #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #jiang cheng #xue yang #nie mingjue #jin ling #jin guangyao #can you tell that jin ling is my baby?

[add1ctedt0you]

Jiang YanLi, “I’m… I’m here to tell you…”

To tell him what?

That it’s fine?

That I don’t hate you?

That everything is fine?

That I don’t blame you for have killed Jin ZiXuan?

It was impossible.

But she couldn’t say anything that was the opposite either.

[...]

Suddenly Jiang Yanli's eyes opened wide. Her hands conjured up an explosive current of strength from nowhere and pushed Wei Wuxian hard!

Wei Wuxian was pushed onto the ground again by force. The next time he looked up, he saw the gleaming blade of a sword pierce through her throat.

The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation, Chapter 78

"With his left hand, he [Jin Guangyao] whipped out another string and attacked Wei Wuxian! Jiang Cheng's pupils shrank to become just a point. With a flip of his wrist, he turned Zidian's direction to defend against the guqing strings."

The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation, Chapter 101

"You did all the best things, and yet every time you do the worst ones, it's involuntary! Forced! With some unspeakable grievances! Grievances?! You told me nothing, you played me for a fool!! [...] Can I not hate you?! Why is it that now it's like I am supposed to have wronged you?!"

The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation, Chapter 102

#I never see this kind of thing explore in fics but #I think it's kind of (???) the yunmeng sibs arc #'we love you but you hurt us in irreparable ways. You didn't do it intentionally but you did anyway. What should we do with our love?' #That's imo what jc's speech is about #*The yunmeng sibs bleeding from a stab wound they took for wwx*: what should we do with our love after all you did to us? #*mgifs #Like. They throw themselves between wwx and the danger. And they think/say these things... Because the love is true but the hurt is true to #jiang cheng #jiang yanli #Tbh so sorry for the quality of these gifs