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ongreenergrasses · 2 years

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🔥 yeah TOG shipping why not

oh BOY oh boy

you know when i saw this, i was like i need to make a three part series or something because holy shit. a lot of you have been around for everything. i got into tog fandom in August 2020 and uh. so much shit has happened. but then i also figured, that’s been belabored to death and i’m tired so i’m gonna pivot

tog fandom shipping is so absurdly misogynistic. and it’s a problem in every single ship. Every. Single. One.

now i’m not saying this is a insurmountable issue and that changes haven’t been made, because they have! people are getting better about this. but by and large the women in tog get sidelined in favor of the men, and the women in tog are constantly used to push shipping narratives forward, AND to add insult to injury, both andromaquynh AND book of Nile are treated like rarepairs. rather than being yknow. ships for the movie’s main characters.

and i don’t want to hear any nonsense about preferences etc, that’s not what i’m talking about here. it is a fact that there are very few fics that explore Nile’s internal world, and it is also a fact that even fewer of those focus on Nile and her own growth and her own self and aren’t using her as a lens to prop up other ships.

it is a fact that there are SO few andromaquynh fics, despite Andy being a main character and Andy clearly being extremely distraught about losing Quỳnh, to the point where it visibly affects her 500 years later. she can’t even be in the ROOM when they discuss Quỳnh. Now normally just that would be enough to create an enormous ship and spin off for thousands of fics but in this case that just. hasn’t happened. i’ve been in the Sherlock fandom. the Les Mis fandom. those are enormous groups of people that take CRUMBS, far less than what aq was given, and create incredible worlds and stories where there has never been and never will be anything for them in canon.

andromaquynh has the substance but people have sidelined that pairing for another ship (and lord help me i’m not going to specifically say it bc i don’t want that coming down on my head) and honestly?? i don’t get it. (also there’s a lot to be said about how people are desperate to shoehorn both andromaquynh and the other into “gender roles” but i don’t feel like getting into that here.)

i get the joy of having an out queer couple. i love this fandom, i love meeting new people and the cool friends i’ve made and i am so glad i stuck it out and made it through the drama. i am also SO nervous for 2o2g, because if that movie doesn’t focus on this fandom’s main ship, i have no idea what people will do, and i do not want to see the amount of brain dead misogynistic and decidedly racist takes that are going to show up as a result of the “main ship” being “sidelined”. it’s gonna end up where the amazing main female characters that we got are once again getting shit on and i’m tired of that.

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#ask and you shall receive #sindirimba #what can i say 🤷🏻‍♀️#the old guard #lord help me if anyone says anything about preferences i’m gonna go nuclear

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nevermindirah · 2 years

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🔥 anything quynh related

I'm so glad you asked!!

Unpopular opinion related to Quynh but less about fandom than the grand scheme of mental illness research and treatment: complex PTSD is 100% a thing. I shit you not, I googled "CPTSD definition" just now to double-check something and google told me "did you mean PTSD". 😑 Anyway Quynh absolutely no question would experience severe long-term mental illness as a result of allllllll this shit she's experienced:

(ID in alt text and below the cut)

We don't know what her childhood was like but jfc she saw and survived and did so much violence for such a very long time before drowning constantly for 500 years.

CPTSD or whatever you call it can present in a lot of different ways (I'm not a medical professional just have a lot of research and personal experience with this stuff) and basically all bets are off in terms of what kinds of symptoms she might be experiencing in that 6-months-later and 2O2G.

It's totally feasible she's one of those traumatized people who lashes out at other traumatized people and would call Booker weak for being suicidally depressed over what she might perceive as a lesser trauma. It's also totally feasible that she'd be relieved to have someone who understands. She might very well cling to Booker and avoid the others — maybe out of shame, or if she sees them again it'll all have been real, or or or. Andy herself checks a shit ton of those trauma boxes and my personal read on her is a nihilistic depression and not CPTSD but lots of readings are valid, the point is Quynh might cling to Andy or avoid her or do that "leave me alone come back" thing or be angry that Andy can't heal her or spend more time comforting Andy than herself or any number of different things.

I'm down for all of the above, as long as the storyteller takes this shit seriously, understands that mental illness is never the fault of the person experiencing it, and doesn't let the text agree with shitty harmful things that flawed human characters might say or do even when they do them as a result of their mental illness.

Because of my own stuff I need to avoid certain depictions of romantic relationships between trauma survivors, so I basically can't read any significant Andy/Quynh angst. I'm sure I'm missing out on all kinds of beautiful shit as well as some things I'd have some arson-y opinions about. But speaking from what I have read (and real talk, what I've written, bc as much as I love Quynh, I don't think about her near as often as Nile or Booker), some of my, uh, lighter? unpopular Quynh opinions:

evil dragon lady trope is racist and it's absolutely necessary to avoid it — and it's possible and worthwhile to respectfully explore Quynh as a three-dimensional character who's committed a lot of violence, in her context alongside others who aren't targeted by the dragon lady stereotype but have also committed a lot of violence

her personality might be unrecognizable to Andy Joe and Nicky, and/or recognizable but upsetting or, even worse, repulsive to them. that would SUCK but that happens sometimes and it's worth exploring in ways that are considerate of all those characters

similar to what I talked about here with Nile, the way some people write characters named Quynh and Andy who have their faces but none of their depth in Before the Drowning fics 🤮

it's possible she was monogamous with Lykon for a while and/or not romantically involved with Andy and as much as I desperately need canon Andromaquynh in 2O2G there's an important place for these other depictions in fic (provided that they're motivated by exploring other Quynh ideas and not queerphobia)

ok actually on the lighter side! what if she's trans!! that could be fun and beautiful and not a source of trauma for her!!!

Quynh and Booker's hot girl summer is a fun joke or whatever but I WANT FIVE SEASONS AND A MOVIE OF THEIR FRIENDSHIP! throw Nile in there too, the potential for Quynh's friendship with Nile is so interesting! chaotic honorary-youngin' Quynh a three-dimensional character doing hedonism to cope my beloved!!!!!!

To wrap up this heavy post I'm gonna call myself out on a fun thing! Hot take @ Dirah: write that Quynh/Nile fisting pwp before 2O2G comes out will you!!!!?!??!??!??!

[ID: screenshot of the UK mental health charity Mind page about Complex PTSD. Text: "The types of traumatic events that can cause complex PTSD include:

childhood abuse, neglect or abandonment

ongoing domestic violence or abuse

repeatedly witnessing violence or abuse

being forced or manipulated into prostitution (trading sex)

torture, kidnapping or slavery

being a prisoner of war.

You are more likely to develop complex PTSD if:

you experienced trauma at an early age

the trauma lasted for a long time

escape or rescue were unlikely or impossible

you have experienced multiple traumas

you were harmed by someone close to you."]

#dirah.txt #fandom friends #quynh #my beloved #tog meta #tog #ptsd #mental illness #suicide cw

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