#I hate jin guangyao (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

(Submission) Why do people feel so sorry for JGY and NMJ again? I enjoy both of their characters but it’s so plain that they both made their bed (the coffin) and must lie in it.

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Hello there. I think because many prefer to approach works and characters less from an analytical and outward standpoint,and more of a "well this is what I would do if I were in this situation instead". Which then of course leads to where I can sympathize with these men, despite the surrounding context from the story that lessens that sympathy, very much on purpose.

Yes, Jin Guangyao had a very difficult childhood due to the cruelty of classism, yet he still had a mother that loved him and wanted the best for him, and tried within her means. His love of her though did not mean he had to torture older women still living in brothel life and killing them, he did not need to condemn an entire clan to death because they called him the same as Wen Ruohan and use them once again to claim they killed his son out of hate, when it had been his own hand because of his own obsession of appearing saintly kind and untouchable to the masses of gentry he wanted to be part of fully and idolized.

He is not a working class hero that his fans try to say he is. He didn't do a thing to help civilian life within text, that is actually still pointed to be something only the Lans participate in, and Lan Wangji's own students even more so. He wanted to erase everything about his beginnings because he was ashamed and thought lesser of them, he states that he is better than those he came of.

He also manipulated his own friendship with Lan Xichen to start poisoning Nie Mingjue into Qi deviation and on page confirmation of true demonic arts. Whatever prior to his rise to power, is not an excuse for his continued desperate hold for more even after he was on top especially when he very much tried to kill his nephew who he had raised from birth twice on page. And through all of this displays no remorse for these actions other than miming very weak reasons that even a very naive Lan Xichen can see with nothing but terror at this lack of taking claim for one's actions from malice and manipulations.

As for Nie Mingjue, there is another idolatry with the idea of a strict, but kind righteous brother. When he is not even that. His own traditionalism blinds him from the actions of sympathy and he condemns an entire group of people based on hate of people that have already died, while hypocritically he sits in the same room of those that once had it. While he is proud of his own name, he does not allow the surviving Wens even that because of his hate that has no place after the war he won. He is not even kind to his own brother who he doesn't understand and mocks for not wanting to be anything like Nie Mingjue, partially out of yes, love and worry, but also because his own way of life is the only way of life. That is not tolerance and he wouldn't be even if there was some change to the external plot details.

His hate is the reason he is a mindless dumb corpse unlike Song Lan and Wen Ning, who at their core were always kind people that were strong because of their faith in kindness. Nie Mingjue did not believe in kindness but righteous zealotry and when he thought one was not adhering to his form of righteous zealotry, they were unworthy of basic humanity.

He himself has no qualms with calling Jin Guangyao as he is due to being born from a whore as if that's why Jin Guangyao is evil and cruel. He is a hypocrite in his own words as he is offended that Jin Guangyao views himself as better than lesser class individuals, yet is quick to say it's the reason Jin Guangyao is what he is. That is classic classism in verbiage. It also isn't due to the cruelty that Jin Guangyao exhibits that he cares about, it's what he views as a disgrace to any sort of "righteous" tactics that should be employed instead.

Yes, these men are very nuanced and very deeply layered, but nuance does not mean they were well meaning, kind, tolerant in action, especially when the text implies they are like many many politicians that exist in the world, and even get these same long winded metas cooing over them and making up reasons as to why they're men to be admired, loved, and coddled. Ironic really, from a sociological look into the ways of fandom speech and underlying bias from world wide isms that permeate societies.

#submission #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #I hate jin guangyao (｡･ω･｡) #nie mingjue #jin guangyao stans don't try me

[plan-d-to-i]

You know, I think I should stay away from mdzs Twitter for a while, after just witnessing a bunch of asinine excuse towards characters like JGY and JC. I know JC stans are a special kind of nut cases that I shouldn't be bother with them anymore, but holy shit, JGY stans are like another types of nut cases, kinda like the Ted Bundy obessions. They either bring up all JGY's misfortunes and hardships along with his so-called good deeds to justify all the atrocities against many victims while bashing WWX's "some questionable" (torture your fucking enemies who destroyed your home and threw you into hellhole is unhinged now) to prove that WWX is no better than JGY. Not to mention they called us having double standards for justify WWX's actions but not JGY's actions. It's getting worse when we pointed that their takes weren't in the novel, they liked: "I don't care what's in the novel" and "why are you guys hating JGY?". Bruh, we don't want to excuse his actions or claim "JGY did nothing wrong" no matter how sad his back stories were. What happened to JGY stans who liked him as a villian and antagonist?

It's interesting because I don't mind Jin Guangyao as a character. I think he's very convincing, does exactly what he's supposed to do in the narrative, and isn't as irritating as jiang cheng. But I had some JGY stans hop on some of my posts in the pasts and tbh they're doing their fav no favors. Often it's their treatment of him that makes ppl pissed off w the character, esp when they go bashing WWX. No matter how much one wants to pretend JGY is just a victim of circumstances... just read Villainous Friends Extra. Same w Xue Yang. And why try to make him just a misunderstood, sad boi? What's the point of running every character through the fanon trope machine until they're all identical?!??

xx Hope you feel better. (´,,•ω•,,)♡

#mdzs #answers #canon jin guangyao

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Jin Guangyao building a whole shady temple, filled with lacky monks in what is supposed to be Jiang Cheng's territory and province, says all it needs to that Jiang Cheng does not actually give a shit about any of the settlements and cities he supposedly is supporting.

Also says exactly what Jin Guangyao was comfortable doing right under a sect leader's nose and knowing just who he can go right under because of their apathy towards civilians only.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #canon jiang cheng #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Submission:

A lot of people think JGY and LXC’s relationship parallels wangxian’s—but it feels almost like JGY and WWX are opposites. Many people thought wwx was evil as the Yiling patriarch but he was actually good. Many people thought jgy was good as the chief cultivator but he was actually evil.

"A lot of people think JGY and LXC's relationship parallels wangxian's"

I think too many get caught up in trying to make these relationships on a level of romance. When that is just not it in essence or intention. That is not to say it is any less as a platonic one only. I heavily support AND ENCOURAGE to view relationships other than romantically as the pinnacle of depth.

In that way, I think it's a discredit to some of these relationships to compare them to the genuine romance and through the lens of shipping only. Why not let it stand as its own? A betrayal of friendship is just as harmful hurtful and traumatizing to the self and your faculties and foundation of life you are certain with that the person you got along with as well as trusted was not or had never showed their true self to you once as well as actively manipulated you to help hurt others all for their own benefit.

To tell yourself and convince yourself a person is "good" despite the signs is something that exists without a comparison to romance. We can all understand that no matter the contextual truth of a relationship.

In the end, the relationship between these two is not what hurt Lan Xichen the most, it was his ignorance and his horror that he let it continue. I wouldn't say his reaction was heartbreak for what happened at all for Jin Guangyao as he realized and admitted the depths of the evil in him he couldn't deny in front of him he let continue.

#submission #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #lan xichen #I hate jin guangyao (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

No I won't ever stop saying Jin Guangyao should reincarnate into a worm and Nie Huaisang gets to feed him to a bird

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I still don't feel bad for Nie Mingjue's fate. He was just the other extreme side of how claiming to be "righteous" can make a person evil too. Jin Guanygao is scum of base humanity while Nie Mingjue is the scum of hypocritical righteousness. Self-serving and sanctimony, are one and the same. To love an evil, does not make that evil any more sympathetic. As is the lesson of Lan Xichen and Nie Huaisang.

Neither of those men, are any more "valid" in their revenge or sorrow than the other for who they put their trust in when the ones they cared for where simply the same side of a coin.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡) #I hate nmj too #or his fanbase makes me with trying to ask sympathy for him proxy of NHS

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Submission: Whom do you like the most and least out of JGY, NMJ, and LXC?

LXC (my stupid boy, I don't fuck with the obsession of wanting to torture him or show him his place in post canon fic scenarios if that's what you got out of his arc you missed a point and probably reread how cruel revenge is bad)

NMJ (I only like him in context of Niecest and Nieyao)

Jin Guangyao (绿茶婊。Deserves to be a worm in his next life)

#submission #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #lan xichen #nie mingjue #I hate jin guangyao (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

JGY stans don't follow me, I only allow the only real JGY stan here, and that's @ladypfenix

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#don't do it bros #i hate the cockroach #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Saying because of your class you have the excuse to compromise basic morals, sure is a thing that comes out of this fandom for trying to say Jin Guangyao is the same as Wei Wuxian...

Yet Wei Wuxian didn't actually compromise his own morals or basic decency morals to benefit HIMSELF, unlike Jin Guangyao. Both were effected by the bias of being seen as lower class, but one did exploit his previous class as an excuse to hurt and cause distress while he eventually profited from a rise. While one did not exploit his situation and was continually condemned without sacrificing his morals that in no way profited himself.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #my gosh the classism is dripping from his apologists in the worst ways #class doesn't equal morality nor is it an excuse to say it had to be compromised for survival #fuck you sincerely from a previous poor family 💕 #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

My undying hatred of X-yao is forever. Any blip of it and I'm gonna be that bubble popping hater as to why Lan Xichen would always drop Jin Guangyao like a hot potato and hence why his thing for him was never romantic or sexual in meaning at any point.

It was an obligation towards someone who saved him only for that part of him to never be a resounding trait, just a matter of Jin Guangyao finding it more helpful to himself than a jeopardy at the time. And as soon as it stops being a convenience to himself, he has no problem at all to hang the ones he supposedly likes as bait when he's a rat on a sinking ship.

Lan Xichen had his doubts and is proven resoundingly right when he should have listened to his instincts and others. Everything else is gaslighting and that side of Jin Guangyao is shown as soon as he tells Lan Xichen that Lan Wangji was obviously manipulated by Wei Wuxian, all while he is planning to kill those ones he told to lay a second siege.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

9 & 13 for that Ask Game

9: worst part of canon

The entire relationship of Jin Guangyao and Lan Xichen, not because it's done badly, the opposite actually. It's just so uncomfortably spot on to abusive and a gaslighting friendship it makes me terribly uncomfortable.

13: worst blorboficiation

Jiang Cheng, hands down. When his own fanbase reads like an Onion Article but none of the actual satire, we lost this braincell. There is just so many times you can call a homophobe the light of life and deserves hugs and cuddles, and I'm wondering if your spine needs some tylenol for that reach.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #lol jiang cheng stans #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

hi

I'll start this by saying you can ignore this ask if it's too annoying bc valid

but I just saw some absolutely bullshit takes when I was scrolling through mdzs posts

some people claimed that:

- jin guangyao and wei wuxian are the same and both killed for revenge so if wwx isn't evil then jgy can't be either (I- excuse me??)

- jgy did so much good for people and wwx just........ saved some wens (lmaoo???)

- jgy killed nmj out of self defense (ok so why did he keep coming back and acting nice playing/poisoning him for probably weeks if not months then????????)

- (this one is just crazy) wang lingjiao was just some poor commoner woman who couldn't fight back so wwx is awful for what he did to her

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I'm sorry am I the crazy one here because these takes sound straight up INSANE to me like did the people who wrote it read the same novel I did??

"wwx stans are so hypocritical how can they say my baby's evil while they stan this cruel murderer who doesn't let his corpses reincarnate :((((" bitch????

I'm fairly new to the fandom and I can be wrong so can you tell me if I'm missing something (I doubt that i do tbh) but you seem very sensible and I just needed to get it off my chest

I'm not even saying people can't enjoy characters that are evil/morally gray bc some of my faves from other works are just that... but if you have to pretend these characters are some saints who didn't deserve what they got and drag down the main character just because you're salty then I don't think you like your "fave" all that much tbh

I hope you don't mind me ranting in your askbox, if you read my message then thank you for your time! Have a nice day! (I hope I didn't ruin it too much haha)

Hello anon! No I don't mind at all for this, rant away if you need to as I make my inbox open for it.

As to the idea that Wei Wuxian are similar, in terms of their status they had been born to, yes. But that's about as much of their similarity as they get. Just as how Jiang Cheng and Lan Wangji are literary mirrors due to similarities in circumstance, but not mind or ideals. Yes, Wei Wuxian did kill in revenge, but he never denies this. He fully admits to this unlike Jin Guangyao, who continues to say he had no choice but to kill those that wronged him. The difference there is that, Wei Wuxian had been tortured, his guardians killed cruelly, his own sect almost was decimated by the ones he killed. Where as with Jin Guangyao, he killed many that endangered his political position or, verbally insulted him in some way. Between the two one's actions of revenge was foremost for the ones that had been wronged. For Jin Guangyao it was concerning his own ego.

Jin Guangyao never did anything for the common people. We are told several times in story that Lan Wangji, and the Lans are the outliers for this sort of thing. The watchtowers are nothing more than a repainting of the Wen's Advisory Offices and keep in mind, it was still under the approval of Jin Guangshan that they even were created. From a Jin Guangyao who wanted to please his father foremost. He also burned down a brothel of prostitute women, where in that, shows he cares for commoners of his own background?

A scum of a person, can be human and sympathetic, but it does not change that they themselves are in the end selfish, cruel and manipulative. That's what makes them terrifying, they use that sympathy to cause more hurt. Wei Wuxian never holds others hate of what he had done as unfair, just that he would not take rebuttal for what he never did and stands by what he did. Jin Guangyao never takes any sort of responsibility towards the ones he drags into his schemes and continues to say he needed to with no sympathy for the ones who had been innocent, saying that he should be the one pitied and forgiven.

You can like and enjoy an evil, just don't paint it as a saint when that is what the very work is against and criticizing. We are told that Wei Wuxian is meant as an ideal of morality, who this is still argued about and he is labeled "morally grey" and "just as wrong as the others" is just wrong from a literary and plot point of the book.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuixan #is our moral ideal and compass #no matter how bad you feel for yhe antagonists #they are still shown to be awful despite the circumstances #they had an excuse once but once they hurt innocents that's irrelevant #and Jin Guangyao would never be different as he would always be resentful since his mother still raised him #and even her memory didn't stop him from being a scum man #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡) #i hate jin guangyao

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

"We should all understand and be sympathetic to what made Jin Guangyao into what he was"

Literally, no, he had at one point been sympathetic, but he lost that when he admitted it wasn't his own mother being degraded after death, but his own self and being ignored by his trash of a father, that set him to ruin others. He didn't have any reason what so ever to rape the prior prostitutes he once knew, or killed the CHILDREN of the Tingshen He clan, all of which was to show his dominance of power over them and humiliate them before they died.

He is nothing like Wei Wuxian and the only thing sympathetic out of his death was that it still is rooted in classism and feeds into the same thing that hurt Wei Wuxian.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡) #i hate jin guangyao

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Am I a hypocrite? I am perfectly happy to let JGY die (I don't hate him as an antagonist, at least not until the mass rape, but I like to really dislike him and find ways to detach him from LXC) and even more happy for JC to end up still bitter and miserable and alone (the fanon JC is actually a dreadful bore) but NHS I look for all sorts of excuses and happy every afters for.

Thematically the book heavily works with the frame of karma. Specifically what that means for Chinese Buddhism and how it incorporates into Daoist philosophy. Specifically, 因果 (yīnguǒ) the cause and effect you earn from actions and your karma you have made from those actions. And, for Daoism, every action is supposed to be natural. There is a preordained nature of karma from the gods that deem what an individual has. It moves on to inherited karma of the ancestors and self, which ordained why and how you reincarnate in a cycle of Samsara. Finally we get the concept of merit to improve your karma.

That last point is significant as Jin Guangyao built Guanyin Temple to elevate his mother's "karma" she died with for a better samsara. On a philosophical level of daoism, there is no good or evil action, but there is balance of how those effect life. Revenge vs forgiveness vs effect of either. To be doaist, is to be above the worldly sufferings of the world, to follow the natural path of action effect without turmoil.

In that way, Nie Huaisang, was an effect of Jin Guangyao's karmic debt he had accrued. What is hypocrisy and what is forgiveness is human nature a part of that karmic fate. Personal suffering is a consequence of that and what is strived to be above. What may seem evil in intent as humans doesn't necessarily mean it is in karmic retribution to natural ways of the world.

Do I see Jin Guangyao as worse in human nature as well as karmic action, yes, that is expounded on as each of his actions are uncovered. Is Nie Huaisang also evil, depends I suppose on what moral personal level someone has due to what his actions did to others. But on a karmic level he balanced a wrong in the order of the world. Regardless of good or bad. Personally, I wouldn't WANT to deal with either man.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡) #i hate jin guangyao #nie huiasang

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Sorry I saw one of your posts saying petty reasons to hate Jin Guangyao and I can’t accept it. There are absolutely no petty reasons to hate that man! Every reason to hate him is valid. My first thought when I saw him in the animation (without translation or knowing the story at all) was that the man was the biggest bastard there is, such a punchabable face, he should have been punched in the temple...

This is very true, lu cha biao to the core it just oozes that aura.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #i hate jin guangyao #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Why are JGY stans?

I ask that as well every time I log on this site and see "Jin Guangyao and Wei Wuxian are equally morally grey".

Well, in order to BE morally grey, you kind of have to want to do good for others in the long run, against the socially accepted laws of your community. Jin Guangyao never wanted to do good for others, and only wanted to further himself. Which makes his crimes pile up as he drags in many that are not needed to assert his power.

At the barest definition, to the cultivation world, Wei Wuxian can be considered "morally grey", if not for the fact that the audience itself is not supposed to question Wei Wuxian's position as what he does is usually always for the well being of others, that the world despises. We are supposed to be horrified and angered along with Wei Wuxian as to what is done to the Wens, and the hypocrisy of the Jianghu making excuses for their immorality.

In turn, Jin Guangyao is the cover of grey morality for the Jianghu world as a whole personified.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡) #i hate jin guangyao