#anti hotd fandom

[witheredoffherwitch]

Y'ALL CAN EXCUSE RACISM?

Let's get one thing straight: I have no part in this chaotic mess (infact, I have blocked all the accounts mentioned below), but it's grinding my gears how it's devolving into another petty fanfic drama: case 607. I know this drama is getting the attention for certain individuals who are demonstrating mean girl behaviour and gossiping about other writers behind their backs. However, I am solely focused on addressing the racist and discriminatory remarks made by these individuals in the leaked text messages.

For those not in the loop, there's been a huge drama in the fanfic community involving leaked text messages from a group chat of four prominent members. In these messages, two users - Fae and Bel - have admitted to sending hate anons and talking smack about other writers behind their backs. Two other members left the group after it was revealed that B tried to make amends with someone who these two, Em and Ange, don't particularly care for. As a move to clear their names, Em exposed all the texts, trying to prove that Fae and Bel are the real villains here.

But wait, there's more! In these same chats, Bel not only mocked fellow non-English speakers but also bragged about sending rat emojis to an 18-year-old Pakistani writer who was already receiving racist anons. While everyone is focused on getting back at these two women for being shady af, it's mind-boggling how Em and Ange are suddenly jumping on the anti-racism train.

These two ladies stayed in the same chat as a fellow Pakistani writer was driven away because of racism, knowing full well that one of their own was contributing to it, and said NOTHING! Zero discouragement, no condemnation - they only hopped off when things got personal.

So here it is… I've had it with all of you hypocrites. You praise and encourage these women at every turn, feeding their egos like they're the second coming of Beyonce. But let's not forget who's always stirring up drama in this fandom - hint: it's these same people with a sense of entitlement the size of a planet. The issue is groupthink and y'all have all jumped on the bandwagon. You're worse than HBO's marketing department because just like their shitty teams, everyone involved here SUCKS ASS. You don't have to pick a side because they are all petty, mean losers. Bel and Fae are facing the consequences of their actions, which they rightfully deserve.

However, Em's exposé on Bel's racism seems more like an opportunistic move and it's disappointing that so many of you are supporting it. It's a predictable cycle now; there will be a half-hearted apology, an announcement of a hiatus, and then tons of people will flock to their inboxes to shower them with praise and excuses. It's ridiculous! I know there are many who feel the same way as me but are afraid to speak up because they don't want to upset the "village elders" and risk losing their connections and engagements. It's a joke atp!

Instead of taking responsibility for their own wrongdoings, they will come up with a list of 10 different cyber crimes by others to divert attention from their own nonsense. These very same women have confessed to creating multiple fake accounts, secretly stalking servers without mods noticing, and constantly harassing individuals through anon messages.

Yet, we are supposed to consider them as examples of moral integrity and ethical behavior? 😒

#fandom racism #fandom critical #house of the dragon #aemond targaryen #hotd #asoiaf #anti hotd #anti hotd fandom #fandom drama #racism #daemon targaryen #hotd fandom #fandom bs

[the-daily-dreamer]

Reminder that if your feminism revolves around propping up women that partake in traditionally masculine activities/roles and shitting on or even hating women who embody traditionally feminine roles and enjoy feminine activities you’re not really a feminist.

It sets the precedent that women are only valuable and valid if they have traditionally masculine traits, which feeds a narrative that masculine traits are better simply because they are associated with men who are the ideal. It perpetuates the idea that things that are feminine and traditionally associated with women are in fact inferior to men/masculinity and should be looked down upon and belittled.

And, it alienates so many individuals that feel more comfortable in femininity, regardless of gender identity.

I think people in the ASOIAF fandom really need to learn this because feminine characters are so despised on the basis that they are not “better” women. Simply because they don’t embody traditionally masculine things like conquering or fighting.

Much of the hate comes from stans that love characters like Rhaenyra, Daenerys, and Arya (and do not get me wrong I love Arya), who are women and girls that are in positions that allow for more traditionally masculine behaviors and tomboyishness. And they will say incredibly sexist things about how the other women in media are inferior and directly contrast these women to their faves negatively by pointing out that they’re “too weak” or “subservient”. They reduce femininity to weakness and bowing to patriarchy instead of considering that some people have a different, more feminine nature. And that is OK! Just because a woman isn’t wielding a sword or fighting on the front lines or pursuing leadership roles in masculine ways (because historically women exacted and sought power in different ways than men) doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable and strong characters. Do not use feminine characters as a negative comparison to show how “feminist” and great your fave is. Because it’s just so blatantly sexist.

Don’t fall into the trap of reinforcing patriarchal rhetoric!!! Don’t reinforce narratives that traditional masculinity is superior to femininity!! Don’t belittle feminine activities and act as if they aren’t valuable!!! Girbosses are great but so are gentlewomen.

#This may not make total sense but I hope the point gets across anyways #Masculinity is not superior to femininity #And if you actively say that your female faves that are masculine are better than feminine characters… #You feed the narrative that those behaviors are inherently better simply because they are associated with MEN #anti team black #anti targaryen #anti rhaenyra #anti rhaenyra targaryen #anti daenerys targaryen #anti daenerys #anti Arya stans #anti dany stans #anti rhaenyra stans #anti got fandom #anti hotd fandom #team black’s feminism is insanity #feminism

[thesunfyre4446]

can you stop making alicent's relationship with her children about rhaenyra?

even if alicent is \ was in love with her, it doesn't mean every single aspect of her life is about her. she doesn't love helaena because her silver hair "reminds her of rhaenyra", she loves her because she's her daughter. she loves her for the person she is, and not because she reminds her of someone.

(and i'm not seeing any "rhaenyra only loved jace and luke because their brown hair reminded her of alicent" posts)

#house of the dragon #hotd #hotd fandom critical #anti hotd fandom #alicent hightower #pro alicent hightower #rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenicent

[alicentsgf]

i think peoples understanding of alicent very much hinges on whether or not they have enough empathy and self-awareness to overcome that first scene we get with older alicent.

we are reintroduced to this character as this callous, passive agressive woman who apparently plots to snatch newborn babies from their mother's arms, someone who lashes out with her tongue and eventually a knife, a far cry from the 'inoffensive' sweet pro-rhaenyra girl that she was. and then like.... we never see her again. not really. because every other scene we get after that walks it back a little, giving us new (or maybe renewed) reasons to understand her point of view; she's frantic. she's scared. she's angry. she loves her children. shes scared for her children. she still loves rhaenyra. she's a caring wife. her husband doesn't love her. her husband barely acknowledges the children he forced on her. she wants peace. she abhors violence. she thinks of the smallfolk when no one else does. she expresses an ability for genuine self-reflection and regret, especially after her own loss of control at driftmark (something we see in absolutely no one else btw, except for rhaenyra once). and i think having your entire view of her dictated by that first scene with her in the Princess and the Queen and never exploring the character further because you've already decided she's not worth it is such a huge mistake.

it speaks to an ability to change your views when presented with new information and reconcile the fact victims can also be perpetrators. because the alicent we meet in the Princess and the Queen is still Alicent. people will say 'oh younger alicent was innocent but older alicent is just a bitch' to justify their hatred of her and it stresses me out because how can you have seen what younger alicent was subjected to, empathise, and then see that she is STILL being subjected to it, and yet not understand and empathise with the woman shes become? is it just because she is now expressing her pain in uglier, more outwardly damaging ways? expressing it in ways that hurts others and not just herself. ways that hurt rhaenyra and her children.

victimhood isn't always going to look like a timid young woman with bleeding nail beds whos easy to feel sympathy for because she doesnt make life difficult for your faves. sometimes its seething, spitting, and wielding a knife but that doesnt make it any less worthy of acknowledgement.

#hotd #alicent hightower #pro alicent hightower #hotd meta #alicent meta #anti hotd fandom

[alicenttully]

this fandom's insistence that there was nothing absolutely harmful about an almost thirty-year-old man marrying an 18-year-old girl will never not be amusing. or unsettling. the fact that some of y'all seem completely incapable of understanding that even if alicent hightower had wanted to marry the king, her opinions are ultimately irrelevant. it was her father who would decide for her. and funny enough there's nothing in fire and blood about ser otto consulting her or viserys asking her himself and respecting whatever choice she made. alicent's future was decided for her, and i will never ever fault her for putting the children of that marriage before her stepdaughter in the end. i will never ever fault her that because alicent hightower at 18 was never asked if she wanted to become a stepmother to a girl who was close enough in age to her, they could have been sisters.

and the way y'all use aemma arryn in this conversation is truly disgusting. y'all incapable of discussing how she was let down by so many people who let her become a child bride and how viserys treated her without demanding that we refuse that same sympathy to alicent that in your mind only aemma deserves. nobody is saying you have to like aemma arryn more than alicent hightower. nobody is saying you have to like her at all. but the fact that you refuse to engage with alicent being a victim of patriarchy because it disturbs your narrative won't change that she was.

#alicent hightower #aemma arryn #anti viserys i targaryen #house of the dragon #hotd #anti hotd fandom #anti team black #also these are two different adaptions like

[henriettadreaming]

I find it pretty funny how such a huge portion of the HOTD fandom insists on Show!Criston being an evil woman hating incel, because he hates one woman. So if I hate one man does that make me a misandrist?

He feels used by Rhaenyra and he holds a grudge about it, and I don't approve of him calling her a cunt, but she's the only woman he's disparaging about.

Daemon calls Rhea Royce "his bronze bitch", Mysaria "a common whore" and Alicent a "a whore of a queen" and yet he's, checks notes, a devoted malewife?

#house of the dragon #hotd #anti daemon targaryen #alicent hightower #anti team black #pro alicent hightower #anti hotd fandom #criston cole #ser criston #mysaria

[starlight95tonight]

I'll never understand the whole "Alicent manipulated her kids into hating Rhaenyra" and that "if she didn't they would have a good sibling relationship" like are we watching the same show at this point?

Rhaenyra has literally never tried to bond with her siblings and she literally wanted her 10 year old brother to be "questioned sharply"... she literally wanted him to be tortured!!

Where did people get the delusion from that they would ever have a good sibling relationship??

#there are so many factors soured the relationship between #there are so many factors that soured the relationship #the siblings and one of the biggest was their father #people just love blaming alicent for everything #and never take into account how much of their #sour relationship is viserys fault #also any kind of relationship worls two ways #you gotta put in the effort to make it work #and rhaenyra or the green siblings put any effort into their relationship #they all hate eachothers guts #hotd #house of the dragon #anti hotd fandom #fandom critical #anti viserys i targaryen #anti team balck #pro team green #team green #anti rhaenyra targaryen

[lady-green-sleeves]

If Alicent had slept with Viserys the night of Aemma’s funeral like Rhaenyra and Daemon did the night of Laena’s funeral you all would be calling her so much worse than Alicunt and going on and on about how awful and gross and evil she is even more than you already do. But when Rhaenyra does it she’s a girl boss and you’re cheering her on bc somehow that makes her a feminist…..🤡

#alicent hightower #rhaenyra targeryan #viserys ii targaryen #daemon targaryen #laena velaryon #aemma targaryen #this isn’t anti-rhaenyra btw just anti-fandom #I like Nyra as a character but her stand are so annoying (not that Alicents aren’t tho) #like you don’t have to love alicent but you can’t be a hypocrite #also the fact people see this as a girl boss moment and not all of Desmond grooming finally coming to a head here #it’s not romantic it’s sad bc he cares about the throne not her #anti hotd fandom #hotd fandom bs #asoiaf fandom bs #anti team back stans #just to be safe

[ride-thedragon]

Nettles, Rhaenyra, Laena, Mysaria, and the Prize that is DAEMON TARGARYEN

Now, I'm not going to sit here and police shipping. I'm also not going to act as though better writers and thinkers long before me haven't talked about the same phenomenon of centring men in women's narratives as a way to value the women. However, as a person in this fandom, I do want to apply this thought to the shipping discourse of Daemon Targaryen because it has become exhausted.

We treat this man as though he's the prize to gain when these women are in relationships with him. In the sense that when Daemon picks these women to have a relationship with they gain a value and devalue the women he leaves behind. We see this with him going:

from Rhea and Mysaria to Laena.

He finally has a Valyrian bride who matches his spirit and can give him Valyrian children. They get along and are of equal standing.

From Laena to Rhaenyra.

He moves on, finds real happiness, finds his true family, becomes the Targaryen he was destined to be with his Targaryen bride at his side, and their Targaryen children with his real family

From Rhaenyra to Mysaria .

Rhaenyra became mournful and wasn't as she once was. Him and Mysaria just have this connection, and Rhaenyra approves.

From Rhaenyra and Mysaria to Nettles.

Daemon finally found someone he could look past himself for. The singers say they end up together. He does all of this and leaves the Rhaenyra to her death because Nettles left. He's finally ready to settle down and grow old. She saved him.

All of this is an overgeneralised hyperbole of conversations I've seen, but they always centre Daemon choosing these women to be in a relationship with as their biggest accomplishment in the narrative. Him at their side is the biggest deal, and when he leaves them, they are discarded and replaced by his new love interest.

The issue with this

Prioritising a man, this man, as the main factor in these relationships, discredit the women who exist outside of him and make it seem as though he's the only thing that adds value to them. The language being used, in short, dismisses their personhood and equates them to something he can own, discard and replace at whim, and he alone adds value to them. It's icky language especially with his game card.

Lady Rhea: wasn't even her choice. She hated him and refused to give him an heir to inherit Runestone. In the show, she makes sure he returns and kills her by insulting his sexual prowess.

Mysaria: is complicit and involved in his worst action but always ensures she pulls herself up with it. Being his courtesan made her wealthy, almost made her his wife. Then she's complicit in blood and cheese and gets herself promoted to the Lady of Whispers to the Queen, eventually putting an end to him.

Laena: CLAIMED THE LARGEST DRAGON IN THE WORLD AS A TEEN. Is quite literally the mother of the girls that survived the Dance. Her blood inherits her house's seat.

Rhaenyra: Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Had men avenge her death, and her son sat on the iron throne after her.

Nettles: created the religion that forged the most dangerous tribe in the Vale of Arryn. Claimed a wild dragon and committed alleged treason and escaped.

I'm not saying Daemon isn't important. I'm not saying he doesn't play a part. I'm saying that when we have these conversations about him and these women and the progression of his relationships with them, I hope we can reach a place where the idea that he leaves them isn't a jab or joke against one woman for the sake of the one he chooses. It's getting strange.

Women don't lose value because of a man. Ever.

This also applies to Baela and her adaptation in the show. She isn't uninteresting because she isn't a tomboy or like Daemon. They make her a political girl in the show and like Laena. That's not a loss. She's modelled after Rhaenys as well. She's just reflective of the women in her life. I'm sure she'll have a relationship to Daemon as well, but she's the Ward of Driftmark. That's quite interesting. We also have tomboys like Alysanne and Sabitha, so we aren't in a deficit by any means.

#hotd #house of the dragon #nettles #nettles asoiaf #netty #rhaenrya targaryen #queen rhaenyra #laena velaryon #lady laena #rhea royce #lady rhea royce #mysaria #lady of whispers #hotd discourse #hotd meta #anti hotd fandom #daemon targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #anti daemon Targaryen being valued more than he should be #daemon should pay for his sins #baela targaryen #hotd baela

[saltywinteradult]

today’s winner of team black’s braindeadest hot take

#because larys strong doesn’t exist i guess #harwin strong #anti hotd fandom #fandom fuckery #alicent hightower defence squad #pro alicent hightower #anti team black #anti team black stans

[wandering-scavenger]

Friendly reminder that actors are actors and are not the fictional character they play!

Olivia Cooke shared that she was depressed and couldn't leave her own home after seeing people hating on her because of her role as Alicent Hightower. Just another example of how toxic asoiaf/hotd fans are, who've bullied even Kit Harington, Rose Leslie, Sophie Turner, and Lena Headey over opinions they've made about the story or simply playing characters that they dislike.

"Obviously. I had a scroll on Twitter. It’s awful. It’s hideous. People are so mean. That’s the thing, no one has anything nice to say. No one, who goes and has the gumption to commit thoughts to a tweet, has anything nice to say. So I was a bit depressed, and didn’t want to leave the house for a little bit. But you have to, it's weird. You have to pick the scab. You have to see what people are saying. I haven't been on it for a very long time since just 'cause people are wild. I'm an evil hag in so many people's eyes. I had no idea that that's what people would come away thinking. " - Olivia Cooke

Go ahead and hate the characters you hate, but please don't forget that the actors are human beings who are just doing their job.

#anti hotd fandom #anti got fandom #olivia cooke #alicent hightower #kit harington #sophie turner #rose leslie #lena headey #jon snow #sansa stark #ygritte #cersei lannister #emily carrey

[bohemian-nights]

I’m not team black or green, and I’m also only watching this show for nettles - but I have to say that the only racist comments I see are coming from team black. They are so racist it’s insane.

1. They treat the velaryons like Rhaenyra & her (white) son’s cheer squad . They can’t fathom the velaryons being their own people with their own thoughts and opinions.

2. Their treatment of vaemond. They justify his murder for daring to speak up against their fav. They gaslight anyone who supports vaemond’s right to be angry that his house is being stolen by a white kid and claim that Luke “legally” isn’t a bastard and that we are misogynistic.

3. Their treatment of laena - they either claim that she was Rhaenyra’s lesbian (?) lover or that daemon never cared about her - they refuse to acknowledge that daemon was happily in love with her.

4. Their treatment of nettles.

I’m so done. I’ve just had a conversation with one of those insane stans, and they said that I’m “playing the victim” for pointing out their racism. I’m so sick and tired of hearing that I’m “playing the victim” or that I’m being “over dramatic” for wanting actual black representation and calling out performative activism.

Team Green has its moments(I don’t love how some of them treat Nettles), but Team Black is indeed objectively worse.

I have yet to see any other sub-fanbase go on rants about how there are too many Black people on the show so it’s fine to cut the only in-canon Black character(Nettles), that they are glad the n-word died(Laena), claim that a Black woman’s Afro-hair is dirty(the leaked photo on the beach), calling people monkeys(again Laena), comparing characters to animals(Laena and Nettles), the legally biracial fiasco, denying that there is racism in the books and that their fave is one of the perpetrators, saying that Daemon sleeping with Black women is a detrimental character trait…It’s a mess.

Honestly, most of the viscerally racist stuff that has been said had been geared toward Nettles or Laena(Vaemond’s a close third) because they are perceived as a threat.

Which shows you how f*cked up these people are. They are legitimately willing to resort to racism to attack fictional characters over a fictional ship.

And the kicker is, they don’t see anything wrong with their behavior because: I’m not racist. I have no problem with good Black people(aka the ones who kiss up to my fave), ignore me saying how a white woman (who I hate cause she's a Green 🥦, but she's still white) with less plot development is somehow more relevant than the girl who shows that you are more than the blood in your veins. That's not relevant. You wouldn't like her if she wasn't Black!

Let's not get into the fact that they only like Baela, Rhaena, Corlys, and Alyn because they haven't/don't do anything. The moment we see them have a personality and it’s not solely about worshipping Missy Anne they'll turn on them.

If the show ends Rhaena’s arc marrying a Hightower they'll call her a whore and a traitor. If Baela calls out Missy Anne for not being motherly towards her and her sister they'll call her ungrateful. When Corlys puts his blood first he’ll be treated just like Ser Vaemond. Alyn will be hated not for saving the psychotic white woman(who arrested his father and tried to arrest his brother) in her hour of need.

If what they said about Rhaena taking Nettles’ place actually happened, do you know how upset they'd actually be with Daemon even putting his actual child first before Miss Maegor? She'd become enemy #1. He is not allowed to love anyone more than her.

They also love to defend their deplorable behavior by saying the characters they are attacking are fictional so it doesn’t matter.

B*tch it’s no longer just fictional when you call someone(even if it’s a fictional character) the n-word.

When you are actively trying to take away what little representation we do have and hurling slurs and stereotypes used against Black people in real life for centuries to attack characters you don’t like, you’ve gone past fiction and gone straight into a Klan rally.

There is loads of evidence of their demented behavior. Anyone with a working brain knows they aren’t right in the head and what they are saying is wrong.

Hell, they themselves know what they are saying is f*cked up, which is why they try to gaslight you into believing they are the innocent victims and you've just lost your mind. When that doesn't work and you provide them with the receipts for their bullcrap it’s crickets cause they’ve gone crying in the corner 🦗

They keep crying and bemoaning about Miss Maegor being called a whore. That isn't exactly nice, but you can't flip things around and make yourself look like the injured party when you are a f*cking racist.

For Christ's sake, these people are just all-around hypocrites. Some of them have called Nettles a whore(the worst is yet to come with her) yet they spaz out when you say Miss Maegor and start yelling about misogyny.

They are the same ones who mocked Laena dying(and her son) yet they cry when you call a dragon baby a lizard.

You can't claim that it's all fiction and then start crying when your fave who is also fictional is “attacked.”

There is a good reason she's being “attacked” considering she's an awful character with next to zero redeeming qualities(which is probably why she's attracted the worst fanbase).

You can't claim misogyny and perpetrate it yourself. You can't claim to not be a racist and then overtalk Black women when they call you out on your behavior and then call them crazy for defending themselves. You can't force Black women to overlook your faves racism for the sisterhood and then spit in our faces when we don't. That's not how this works.

I could go on, but I'm going to stop here cause it's pointless. You just have to laugh and bow out cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.

#bnask #bnasks #anti hotd fandom #anti team black #nettles #laena velaryon #they deserve better than this fandom #you guys are the worst #hotd fandom misogynoir

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

Everyday I wake up more ashamed of being a part of this fandom - Apparently Olivia Cooke had a random stranger come up to her at a bar to say “ You’re that girl from house of the dragon - Your character is a Cunt - I hate you!”.

Like why are y’all this fucking deranged and unable to go outside and touch some grass. If I was Olivia I would never interact with anyone in this fandom again.

Funny how in a show about how misogyny affects women - the people dealing with the most hate in real life for their portrayals are Olivia, Emily & Emma & Phia.

Meanwhile Monarchist Matt Smith is revered and adored for his depiction of child grooming, wife murdering and wife beating “bad boy with a heart of gold because he’s so hot” 🥹🥹

Along with all the Paddy adoration on a depiction of a man who kept his 1st wife suffering and pregnant because he wanted a SON and brutalized her against her consent, just to repeat the whole process on another teen girl.

It’s time y’all stop pretending you care about misogyny or women in general and just admit you hate that HOTD for all it’s faults tried to expand on a character like Alicent. Robbing you of your entitled rage to call her a cunt and bitch like you wanted to do without feeling guilty.

So entitled mind you that you’re going up to an actress portraying a character to let her know what a cunt she is and how much you hate her because you can’t stand it.

Team feminism though right?

#anti hotd fandom #olivia cooke #house of the dragon #hotd

[alicentsgf]

as i remember it most GoT fans at least had this grudging respect for people who were "playing the game" like we all pretty much agreed littlefinger was a shitstain of a human being but there was respect because he played like a pro. and its because there was this general consensus where we'd all agreed to register that these characters absolutely have to maneuver through their world as it exists. that they ideally should be aware of the pros and cons of their social circumstances, never ignoring that the game MUST be played, always looking ahead and moving their pieces into position.

but people are mad at ME for applying these same conditions to HotD. for recognizing how poorly Rhaenyra plays the game, and judging her for it. I enjoy Rhaenyra a lot, but she is totally politically inept and im going to continue to vent my frustration about it. Having obvious bastards was a bad move. Not preemptively making alliances or involving herself in governing was a bad move. Being hostile toward her siblings was a bad move. Idc if you think her defying social expectations was just so girlboss of her. It put literally everyone around her in danger, especially her own children.

Some fans are only too happy to suspend their modern social lens for all the incest, grooming, and marital rape yet they apply it to literally everything else, especially rhaenyra and alicent's characterisations.

#hotd #anti rhaenyra targaryen #*sighs* im not tho but... you know #alicent hightower #anti hotd fandom #hotd thoughts

[alicenttully]

i know its a fairly popular take that "aemma would hate alicent for calling her grandsons savages" and it seems to stem/be partly influenced from this idea that like viserys, aemma would turn a blind eye to their obvious bastardry. but like, if you actually think about it - the reality is that as soon as it became apparent to her who jace and luke's biological father was, aemma would have stepped in meaning it's unlikely joffrey would have even been born in the first place.

not only like the majority of westeros aemma would have been the practioner of the faith, but she grew up in the vale which i think after the reach/highgarden is the most pious. she would have been raised/conditioned to believe in certain expectations for noble women like her and her daughter. in fact the first and only conversation we see her have with rhaenyra on screen centres around this idea of duty. i'm not saying she wouldn't have felt sympathetic to the pressure rhaenyra was under, but i honestly think some of y'all deluding yourselves if you think she would have tolerated rhaenyra's actions like viserys because it suited him. as i said the reality is as soon as aemma realized the truth, she like most people would have wanted harwin removed from his position and kicked out of the red keep. which brings to my next point. being the kind of place that westeros is, most parents would have seen harwin's affair with their daughter as dishonouring her.

like ultimately i don't really care what aemma arryn would have thought about alicent and or her fighting for her children's claim over her rhaenyra's. i don't really care if she disliked a teenage alicent, even though she would have only known a girl that rhaenyra was close with. if she's the type that would have blamed alicent for going to viserys even though she clearly didn't want to and even then was only kind to him, similar to how viserys has the audacity to blame alicent when he finally clocked that she actually wasn't in love with him, then i guess she's just a bad person like her husband was.

but it's the way y'all treat aemma arryn by automatically assuming she would have supported what rhaenyra and harwin did, and never considering that she idk might have had thoughts and opinions that don't always align with her husband and daughter. what's more, in her limited screen time we actually see her disagreeing with rhaenyra and viserys. she doesn't like rhaenyra flying while she herself is pregnant. she doesn't take viserys' "dream" seriously nor is she confident like him that she will give birth to a son.

#aemma arryn #alicent hightower #house of the dragon #hotd #anti hotd fandom

[melodymidway]

Jaehaerys: *chooses Baelon over Rhaenys despite the law saying that a niece inherits before an uncle*

Fandom: She was usurped! Rhaenys should have been queen!

Viserys: *chooses Rhaenyra over Aegon despite the law saying that a son inherits before a daughter*

Fandom: He has no right to the throne! Usurper!

#how does it work guys? the king's word is law but only when i want it to be? #not to mention that the very same people who say that jace would have been a great king despite being illegitimate and thus having no claim #are likely the ones supporting daeron over daemon blackfyre simultaneously #btw aegon the unworthy favoured daemon blackfyre over daeron ii so why isn't the fandom hailing daemon i blackfyre? #fucking up the succession system never did the targs any good #anti targaryen #anti team black #anti hotd fandom #for safety measures