So yeah had the chance to sleep on it and gonna give my full thoughts on the (unannounced) new dialogue for Minthara when Durge makes the decision to reject [SPOILER]. Gonna keep it under the cut but also read @shoddynomenclature's flashfic about it, it echos a lot of my feelings on the subject.
I think this had the potential to be something that makes her character even more nuanced and interesting by showing an uglier side of herself. Yes she has been abandoned by gods before, and the pain of that can't be understated. So seeing Durge reject Bhaal, to walk away from an inheritance when she was taken from Lolth against her will? Must feel frustrating. Seeing a character work through those emotions and fucking it up could be really good. COULD be.
This one conversation, where she throws everything about her relationship with Durge aside and turns her back on them with just a single non-critical response and no follow up? This ain't it.
I hate to say it, but this addition has all but killed my interest in playing Durge, if this is what it does to her character.
I'd LIKE it if there will be future additions, conversations you can have back at camp after the stress of the day has passed, to ask her what's really going on here. Yeah it WOULD be nice if there were some follow up where we can talk to her about our reasons for rejecting Bhaal, with the option to reconcile. Which could even lead neatly into her post-Orin speech, y'know some of her best writing in the game where she realize that Bhaal is no different than Lolth, or the Absolute.
Or, the chance to refuse to get back together with her after that. The only other way to break up with Minthara currently is cheating, which sucks, whereas having a big ugly argument and deciding "We've both said our peace, and understand each other better now, but we can't be together. Not after all this." THAT'S Really Good.
But unlike others, I have no confidence that any such addition is coming.
Because (if I understand it right) this dialogue was datamined from release, but was always inaccessible until the recent hotfix. So it was easy to ignore, treat it as cut content like the pregnancy plot (which I still don't get and frankly at this point I don't wanna know).
By deciding to make it accessible, Larian has made it clear that they want this to be a part of her character. But unlike this dialogue, there isn't any follow up sitting in datamine waiting to be turned on.
As far as we know, this is it. It's useless to speculate on what they could add (why add to her writing so piecemeal like this anyway?) because they didn't wait until they HAD more, to make this a part of her writing. Hell, it wasn't even worth mentioning in the hotfix notes!
Loving her partner to the degree she's willing to put aside her thirst for power is such a key part of Minthara's character that this dialogue completely abandons. What Larian is saying here is that her love for Durge was just a ruse to entice someone she could control into acquiring power, even at their expense. And if that's Larian's vision for Minthara's character, then why stop with Durge?
Why does she break up with Durge for rejecting Bhaal, but not with Shadowheart for rejecting Shar?
Or Astarion if he remains a spawn?
Why shed all those real tears for Karlach if she'd rather die than return to Avernus?
Why continue to share Tav's bed if they refuse the Astral Tadpole? Why offer no real objection if they destroy the brain, though she's rooting for them to take control of it right up until the moment? Why can she find power enough in the two of them with the Absolute gone to continue their plans for conquest, but Durge refusing to become just like Orin, her tormentor she swore to kill, is a dealbreaker?
If she tells my Tav the bond they share is called alurlssrin, can I even believe her, when she said the same to Durge only to call them stupid for believing in love right after?
Do you see the problem here?
Do you see why people would rather this dialogue not exist, if this is what it does to her character?
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One more thing before I'm closing the "It's in character for Minthara to break up with redeemed Durge because she's all about power": oh yes she WANTS power, but that's why it's in character for her to want to be The Absolute, to become a god and build a world to "ourselves". Why would she wanna be a god's slave again, and Bhaal of all of them? That's NOT an ambitious goal lol, it's a pathetic and narrow-minded one at best, the kind that someone who has never been betrayed by gods would wish for, the kind that doesn't have a Grand Design in mind (and trust me Minthara is a great schemer). What is the point of being a "ruler" (puppet at best) when Bhaal can just yank the chains at any given moment? Who wants the kinda power that can be taken away when there's literally a way to become a god in the first place? If anything a redeemed Durge with the power of the Netherbrain can kill the god of murder themself, which I'm very certain Minthara would approve because "killing one's parents can be an important rite of passage."
My woman is way more ambitious than what people give her credits for.
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me, who can never do anything bad to anyone irl: this durge will be the evilest there ever was. minthara will fall in love, and we will raze the world together. nobody will know mercy.
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durge/minthara thinking..... each of the chosen had an influence over one of the goblin camp leaders; ketheric with dror ragzlin, gortash with priestess gut. if orin had never managed to depose her sibling and take their place, would they have been the one whispering in minthara's ear instead?
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Here are each of my Tavs/Durges so far and what I believe their sexualities are:
Disclaimer: I am not straight and therefore do not tend to make straight characters when I play so like all of my Tavs/Durges are queer in one way or another
Nyx is definitely Pansexual. This girl would probably date any of the companions. She's kind of a flirt tbh. However, she ended up with Astarion. They complete each other tbh and she encouraged him to do better
Scarlett is 10000000% a Lesbian. Miss girl is Gay as hell. I know there's a whole history that is hinted at between Durge and Gortash but tbh Scarlett would NOT have loved that man LMAO.
Miss Lyssa is definitely some kind of fruit. I'm not decided on what but likely bisexual/pansexual. Butttttt Her, Astarion, and Halsin are definitely a throuple.
Lillith is Demisexual and had a really hard time with relationships before Gale. She honestly likely thought of herself as Asexual before actually getting to know and fall for gale
I'm not 1000% set on Willows sexuality but I would say she's likely queer with no specific label. I honestly feel like she'd be one to not give af about labels and just roll with it.
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