#orv ss

[kisatoto]

Lee Hakhyun teaming up with Han Sooyoung to kill god is what I read orv for

#orv side story #orv ss #orvss #omniscient reader's viewpoint side story #lee hakhyun #han sooyoung #orv spoilers #lhh #hsy

[occassionalfanficwriter]

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[red-gtech]

Episode 1: The World After Conclusion

From JuuHachi on NUF

※LHK is Lee Hakhyun (OP made a mistake in the abbreviation) 

※ JEY is Ji Eun-Yu

"This is a story of unread despair"

LHK attends the fanevent with JEY. The reader who gifted him the tickets was called "CEOKimDokja" the two of them wore nametags of their username/online name and enter the venue which had 30 people. LHK overhears that this was the 12th event for KDJ's bday and concludes that the previous ones must have been filled with people until it dwindled down to this point. A guy resembling LHS in mannerism(?) asks to sit beside him with the nametag Judge Heewon. LHK assumes that he must be a JHW stan.

The two talk about ORV without LHK disclosing he was the writer. And then the fan event starts just as LHK was about to share who his favorite character was after a long pause and a misunderstanding from Judge Heewon that LHK's favorite character was the entire cast. LHK mentions how the MC wore a black suit and white coat (KDJ cosplay) and begins the event. (SS-nim probably saw the KDJ CSEs held around the world)

Comments left by the readers were shown on the screen. And the adverts left by the fans on the subway was also shown (Reference to Naver's Subway AD for KDJ's B-Day last year) and there was also a reference from that one event where the proceeds were donated to an KR organization for victims of domestic violence under Kim Dokja's name but in the story it was donated to an orphanage.

From MTL:

"It's Kim Dokja's birthday" "It really snowed in Seoul that day, too."

-

LHK then becomes inspired from seeing the comments of his readers he wanted to continue the story for them. And then the MC announced the writer's presence shocking LHK and his editor who both knew nothing about it. The entire audience gasps as the writer steps on the stage.

-

From MTL:

A spot of tears on one's white skin, short hair tied tightly to the back. Without explaining who she was, there was no one here who didn't know her.

The real author of Omniscient Reader's View was there.

HSY appears on stage and LHK concludes that it was a made possible through virtual motion (like VTuber 3D) Everyone was shocked. LHK shrugs it off as he remembers KDJ's story.

From MTL:

Well, you were all readers too, by the way to go.

-

"HSY" then proceeds to talk and says "I recently sent a short story to the cloud, have you all read it?"

LHK is shocked as HSY goes on says, that the "foreign war" is going to start soon (i.e. the paid service just like in ORV) HSY then goes on a monologue saying that of course all of them (the readers) have read it.

-

(Not sure whether this was HSY or LHK) From MTL:

No, wait a second. You can't say that when you don't have stockpiles yet. Give me the manuscript right now.

So please continue to take good care of me. Finally, I take only one question.

So a Q&A proceeds. Everyone asked a joke question until one reader goes and ask the question "Did Kim Dokja wake up?"

HSY's answer wasn't revealed but LHK says that it was the answer everyone already knew. (Once again SS-nim leaves that up for us to interpret. Continuing the story without removing ORV's open end) Crowd energy gets hyped up as the video got cut off before HSY's answer and the MC (KDJ Cosplayer) proceeds to smoothen it out by saying, "Let's all check out whether KDJ is alive or not"

LHK comments that the MC was as good as KDJ in improvising. The event continues and finally it comes to the last part, a trivia quiz about ORV. The MC says that winners who answer correctly have a prize behind the curtain.

SS-nim confirms that the theory about YJH's regression number was a reference to the year the first train station was made. and then reaffirms that every number in ORV has a meaning. As the quiz goes on, LHK remains unable to answer until finally he was the only one left.

The question he receives from the MC (I asked a friend to TL this for me) was:

Who is the Heroine of this novel?

And LHK answers with his favorite character. It isn't revealed who it was but from the clues left behind (i.e. a character made for KDJ, appearance rate isn't high compared to other main characters) it maybe Jang Hayoung.

The MC asked why and LHK answered not from the perspective of a reader ,because he wasn't one, but from a writer and says: "Because I wrote it."

The MC asked, "What?"

and then LHK answered with a bitter smile, "Because he's my favorite character." LHK admits that he doesn't know whether it was the right answer or not but the MC applauds him.

-

From MTL:

Along with the host's words, he walked down the stairs of the theater and went down to the stage. Along the road that the readers walked down first, the empty seats caught my eye.

The phrase [The Fourth Wall] was glimmering on the screen.

Suddenly, readers who were walking down while stealing the snow and looking back once in a while smiling came to mind. Only then did I know how they felt. They didn't cry or laugh because they were happy to get the quiz right.

This was because this is the end of the Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint.

I'm finally going down the road that I should have gone down long time ago.

It occurred to me.

The readers reached the end point in their own way, and now it was my turn. The host was waiting for me as I went up the stage. We looked at each other for a moment on the stage.

The host looked at the nickname used on my name tag.

[⬛⬛⬛]

"That nickname is very difficult to pronounce."

LHK wanted to ask the EMC if he was "CEO Kim Dokja" but didn't because he felt undeserving. As he walks through the curtain, LHK looks back. (The words used in this part is similar to the scene where YJH and HSY looked back on the train as if they have left something important behind) and LHK thought of wanting to write a story for the person left behind him. He sees the MC standing in the center of the empty auditorium waving at him.

He waves back at the MC (who he previously commented that he (LHK) couldn't see his (MC's) face properly.

-

From MTL:

It was time to live in the post-completion world.

"Are you really going to end it like this?"

But then,

"What about the rest of the people if you finish it on your own like that?

The host was heard.

As soon as I tried to answer, I heard a squeaking sound somewhere, I held my cellphone reflexively. It wasn't a cellphone vibration.

"So please take good care of that story"

LHK ends up on the train carriage. He hears the words KDJ heard on the prologue. He has entered the world of ORV.

At this point, we can assume that the MC KDJ Cosplayer was probably KDJ.

Prologue || Table of Contents || Episode 2: Rewrite

#omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader's viewpoint side story #orv #orv ss

[selkiecoded]

times yoo joonghyuk got a little silly with it:

when kdj was going through it in peaceland/during the 24hr vacation and then he turned and looked and yjh was over there chilling making Delicious Food

when he and hsy scammed anna croft that one time

surely he had to have done at least one silly bit to get out of a movie in the theater master dungeon

when he was bantering with hsy over Space Google Docs during the epilogue

when he was beating up kdj and said it "was for making [him] eat dirt"

when he used kdj as a surfboard

#add on more if you remember i havent reread it in a while #beyond the possibility of him being an entertaining streamer (ehhh considering what we saw from him in the mia ss) i think hed wear cat ear #headphones and never really acknowledge them. thats his kind of bit to me. #orv

[k4uo]

me after orv

#omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv #ss is kufothewriting on ig

[orvcoded]

why is it that every time the sentence "Yoo Joonghyuk had a thought" appears in orv it's always followed by the most tear-inducing moments. like if i didnt know that yjh is already sooooo doomed by the narrative i sure as hell got it from reading those. i need to study this phenomena thoroughly actually

#orv #yoo joonghyuk #ss: yjh had a thought #me: here comes the waterworks

[bidokja]

I was joking a while back that the actor they have playing KDJ for the orv movie was too handsome for him and a friend who's read orv was like "KDJ is actually secretly attractive!!" And I just felt my soul leave my body right then

SIGHS...

Okay. Buckle in. I'm gonna finally actually address and explain and theorize about this whole...thing.

I'm not gonna cite any exact chapters cause it's like 11:30 and I've got an 8 hour drive in the morning but I'll at least make an approximate reference to where certain things are mentioned. Also, this post is just my personal interpretation for a good bit of it, but it's an interpretation I feel very solid about, so do with that what you will. Moving on to the meat of things:

There is one (1) instance in the web novel that I know of which describes specific features of Kim Dokja (especially ones other people notice). This takes place when members of KimCom are trying to make Kim Dokja presentable to give his speech at the Industrial Complex (after it's been plopped down on Earth). This is when they start really paying attention and focusing on Kim Dokja's appearance since they're putting makeup on him; I still don't think they can interpret his whole face, but they can accurately pick out and retain more features than usual. If I remember correctly they reference him having long eyelashes, smooth skin, and soft hair. These features can be viewed as (stereotypically) attractive.

Certain parts of the fandom have taken this scene and run with it at a very surface level, without realizing (or without acknowledging at the very least) that this scene is not about how Kim Dokja looks. This is, in part, due to not realizing or acknowledging why Kim Dokja's face is "censored" in the first place, and what that censoring actually means. I think it's also possible that some people are assuming the censorship works like a physical phenomena rather than an altered perception.

I'll address that last point first. The censorship of Kim Dokja's features is not something as simple as a physical phenomena. It's not a bar or scribble or mosaic over his face. If that were true it'd be very obvious to anyone looking at him that his face is hidden. But his face is not hidden to people. They can look at him and see a face. If they concentrate on his eyes, they can see where he's looking. They know when he's frowning or grinning. They see a face loud and clear. But what face are they seeing? Because it's not really his, whatever they're seeing.

No one quite agrees on what he really looks like. And if they try and think about what he looks like, they can't recall. Or if they do, it's vague, or different each time. We notice these little details throughout the series. Basically, Kim Dokja's face is cognitively obscured. Something - likely the Fourth Wall, though I can't recall if this is ever stated outright - is interfering with everyone's ability to perceive him properly. This culminated in him feeling off to others; and since they don't even realize this is happening, they surmise that he is "ugly."

Moving on to the other point about what the censorship means: To be blunt, the censorship of his face is an allegory for his disconnect from the "story" (aka: real life, and the real people at his side). The lifting - however slight - of this censorship represents him becoming more and more a part of the "story" (aka: less disconnected from the life he is living and the people at his side). The censorship's existence and lifting can represent other things - like dissociation or depersonalization or, if you want to get really meta, the fact that he is all of our faces at once - but that's how I'd sum up the main premise of it. (The Fourth Wall is a larger part of the dissociation allegory, but that's for another post).

So you see, them noticing his individual features isn't about the features. It's not about the features! It doesn't matter at all which features got listed. Because they could describe any features whatsoever and it would not change the entire point of the scene. Because the point isn't what he looks like. The point is that they can truly and clearly see these features. For the first time. They are seeing parts of him for the first time. Re-read that sentence multiple times, literally and metaphorically. What does it mean to see someone as they are?

This is an extremely significant turning point dressed up as a dress-up scene.

---

P.S. / Additionally, I'm of the opinion that Kim Dokja is not handsome, and he is not ugly. He is not pretty, and he is not ghastly. Not attractive, nor unattractive. Kim Dokja isn't any of these things. More importantly, Kim Dokja can't be any of these things. The entire point of Kim Dokja is that you cannot pick him out of a crowd; he is the crowd. He's a reader. He's the reader. Why does he need to be handsome? Why must he be pretty? Why is him being attractive necessary or relevant? He doesn't, he doesn't, it's not. He is someone deeply deeply loved and irreplaceable to those around him, and someone who cannot even begin to recognize or accept that unless it's through a love letter masquerading as a story he can read. He is the crowd, a reader, the reader. He's you, he's me. He's every single one of us.

#orv #orv analysis #orv meta #orv spoilers #mine #ask #there's also the meta that he is described with these (stereotypically) pretty features as they are about to try and 'sell' him to a crowd #which feels to me like a very pointed way to convey how 'beauty' is commodified. how audiences like 'attractive' characters more #note: made some edits to add in a couple of sentences my brain forgot in the moment so make sure u reblogged those if u do #tag edits for further commentary that isnt strictly relevant to the point i was making: #do i think that this face censorship was executed as well as it could have been? nah. #not that it was like. done Badly. it's followed through to a certain point. its established enough for me to make this post at least. #but i do think it is the one thing in the web novel that SS didn't capitalize on. #like. they still stuck the landing but it was not as picture perfect of an execution as the rest of the metaphorical stuff in orv #also. this (not the face censorship specifically but the 'hes just some guy' point of it all) is one of the big reasons i think that- #-visual adaptions of orv can never quite work. they can do the best that they can with that medium but a lot of nuance is lost- #-simply by virtue of it being a visual medium #i personally think the only way a visual medium could work would be one where they commit to the power move of not showing kdj's face #(until a certain point (of view) that is) #his face is always facing away or out of frame or hidden by someone or something else in the way #commit to the fucking allegory or simply perish

[mae-i-scribble]

I'm doing a very slow reread of orv with some friends, but since I can't talk about my spoilerous rambles with them too much I have decided to make a post here to get my thoughts out. Up to chapter 25, I've been surprised by the amount of little hints we're already getting for larger plot points and the things that are recontextualized now that I'm looking with hindsight rather than experiencing it for the first time, which really speaks to how phenomenally written orv is on a fundamental level. By the time we get to the 3rd scenario, we've had Dokja mention his mother once, when he briefly worries over her safety. Then we get this line:

"I looked around at the people. The first scenario was original sin. Thus, none of the people here were innocent. That made it more disgusting. Those who trampled on someone else to survive, who couldn’t even bear responsibility for their own life."

Of course it's firstly talking about the lack of morality in this world, when faced with the truth that between the major and minor groups of Gumho station, one fact makes them equal: they are all murderers. The use of the phrase "the original sin" caught my eye because when looking at Dokja's life, murder is his original sin- the murder of his father. That is what sparks the events leading up to this point. It is the true original sin of this world. However, that being followed by "That made it more disgusting...who couldn't even bear responsibility for their own life," is rather hypocritical in that regard. We have no way of knowing exactly how much of that night Dokja remembers at this point of the story, so there are 2 ways to interpret this in regards to his father's murder. 1) Dokja does not remember that he murdered his father, but remembers that his mother had taken responsibility for her crime and served her sentence. In regards to here the people of the minor are far inferior because they cannot adapt the way Sookyung did to their crime. 2) Dokja does remember that he murdered his father, and this disgust is equally leveled at himself, because he knows his mother is innocent but that she took responsibility from Dokja. Thus Dokja of back then is just like these people, unable to take responsibility for his crime.

Then, later on, we see the text, and Dokja specifically, focus on this particular pairing in the minor group.

"The people started to move. All in all, they were people who had already killed. “M-Mother!” “Dayoung, come here! Do this! Just like what you did on the subway with Mother!” Children and mothers."

Then in Chapter 25 we have:

"I honestly admired that the mother and child survived the bloody fight. If she had that much strength, they might be able to survive without going with us."

The English translation doesn't exactly lend itself to identifying the gender of the child, and I am miserably monolingual so I'm not sure if the original text specifies Dayoung's gender, but for thematic reasons I'm choosing to imagine them as a mother/son paring. In that regard, Dokja choosing to notice them out of everyone else, when he's an extremely apathetic person in these early chapters who doesn't care much for those not directly related to him or the story/his survival is very notable. I can't help but think he sees himself in that, as both the son of a murderer and a murderer himself. It's also notable that when complimenting the pair, he only focuses on the mother's strength. Which like. The subconscious projection is so real. To Dokja the child didn't do anything it seems, it's only because of the mother's strength that they will be able to live on. I'm sure I will be back to add more info on this as I trudge through the novel because Dokja and Sookyung's relationship makes me mentally ill all the time but for now I shall simply lay down and ponder(tm)

#orv #orv spoilers #kim dokja #lee sookyung #i think the manhwa has covered this but just in case #anyways holy shit ss went way too hard with this novel #the fucking layers #IVE HAD SO MANY DISCORD CONVOS ABOUT THE FIRST 20 CONVOS ALONE #thats how fucking dense this novel is #maybe i'll put more of the thoughts here on tumblr because sometimes i do have good thoughts and opinions actually #and my friends' viewpoints are very fun to get since they all focus on different things

[navaratna]

korean webnovels with found family trope is always superior

#orv #ss classes i raised #lotcf #debut or die

[just-a-fragment]

I feel like we don't praise SS enough for how they handled YSA's character.

Sure her role kinda falls off in the later chapters but her character arcs are *chefs kiss*

She was initially introduced as a potential love interest like in most action/fantasy novels but then she was just a friend, a co-worker that turned into a friend and their dynamics as a co-worker is something unique to both of them, and for a while it's what kept both of them sane and in that moment they knew each other the best. And honestly the whole library scene could've been a perfect set up for sangah getting a tragic ending, ik it was probably always meant to be that kdj got such a "tragic ending" (only talking abt the inital ending cuz i believe he comes back in the epilogue but anyways) due to the amount of foreshadowing the novel has, but like in another novel both of them couldve met a tragic demise or sangah honestly could've sacrificed herself for him if it was written by any other author where orv has a romance as a subgenre.

But because SS wrote ORV the way they did, she doesn't get a tragic ending, her tragedies weren't just for the sake of being tragic that most writers usually give to characters that were introduced as "a nice person". Her tragedies were more due to how her potential is constantly hindered, her tragedies isn't just for the sake of tragedy but because the system itself is inherently gruesome.

It was never about how she had to toughen up or admonish all her morals, it was never about her, her femininity, her talents. It was about how she was constantly undermined by the people around her and how it's incredibly harder to maintain that sense of self under a cruel system. But she did anyways because SS wrote her with such nuance. They easily could've gone the typical nice girl to girlboss route and it would've been fine with how they write female characters. But subversing a subversion makes her so much moreee complex. I love her

#orv #orv spoilers #yoo sangah #singnshong #SS the goats #ysa meta

[lee-hakhyun]

So I don’t know much about the side stories but I had a nightmare that the side stories were about processing grief. Like Kim Dokja met HSY and YJK and convinced them he was happier ‘dead’/fragmented and that basically all they were doing was for nothing. PLS for the sake of my anxious heart could you let me know what the narrative of the side stories are like??

ultimately kdj's fate is still up in the air right now, but he left a note promising he'll come back - and kimcom are still ceaselessly hunting him down ^^ don't worry too much, i have a feeling he'll find his way back

#ss isn't completed so i can't clearly say what the purpose of the side story is #kimcom are more in the background though - we have a new cast of readers #ask #orv side story #orv spoilers #side story spoilers

[kisatoto]

I just realized...

41!Heewon more or less has no emotional baggage. What the fuck.

Since the ORV girls used the bug loophole on her, she wasn't forced to kill someone for the first scenario.

And her second source of trauma was completely circumvented due to Lee Hakhyun's influence.

And the one that we discovered recently was her daddy issues, which thanks to a certain reader get resolved in a send. (I said more or less)

Heewon is litcherally just feral and like that™.

Literally the only mentally stable Jung Heewon in all of Star Stream. Like in WoS she becomes the murderer and in ORV she becomes dependent on Dokja to the point that it ruined her relationship with Hyunsung. Like the main reason why she feels like she has to help Lee Hakhyun is because he's helped her resolve so much of her trauma. also because motherfucker is fragile as hell. (Seriously, he spent like a third of the scenarios so far knocked the fuck out)

#41!Heewon #orv ss #orvss #orv side story #omniscient reader's viewpoint side story #lee hakhyun

[righteousenjoymentofthunder]

stage transformation really bringing out the big guns!

also future me spoiler: yjh throws kdj ACROSS the bridge this time, and steps on his back as leverage to make it across. tough break for kdj huh.

#chapter 497 #this is ss so its out of order but! my thoughts #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #kim dokja #yoo joonghyuk #liveblog #posts

[lialox]

Thinking about the Oldest Dream!!

Like... what are you LOL. Are you living in your new story without your mom? Do you just accept that she's gone? Do you even remember her, or did you just get kidnapped by the characters from your fav webnovel?

KDJ seems to think there's more to him than just what he seems to be. He uses language like "presumably my younger self" and "acted like a constellation" and I think 'mass of subconsciousness' was thrown in there to describe him too.

#I have thoughts!! #Many many thoughts about this #there could be more to the OD than just that and it would fit the narrative lol #but too bad so sad #its just a big hole for us to fill #SS your lazy writing will never cease to infuriate me #fml #orv #orv spoilers #omniscient reader's viewpoint #oldest dream #lialox writes #apostrophe

[jjangghao]

no but why does she look so good blooded with that costume

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #PLS DONT CHANGE HER CLOTHES FOR THE SS FERAGINI ROADTRIP LJAVLAVBAV #manhwa

[bumpereatspants]

a collection

#gayass #they are soo mb!corpsebur coded #just ran into some ss from this and forgot how funny it was #orv #incorrect quotes #omniscient readers viewpoint #omniscient reader's viewpoint #mangoball #mangobaii #mangoball edits #yoohankim #kim dokja #kdj #yoo junghyuk #yjh #han sooyoung #hsy #anywhos #txt