#quentyn ball

[atopvisenyashill]

DAEMON BALLFYRE THEORY

it’s an unserious name but a serious theory!!!

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT QUENTYN BALL

If Daemon had ridden over Gwayne Corbray . . . if Fireball had not been slain on the eve of battle . .

-small mention from eustace in the sword sword

For his hot head and red hair. Ser Quentyn Ball was the master-at-arms at the Red Keep. He taught my father and my uncles how to fight. The Great Bastards too. King Aegon promised to raise him to the Kingsguard, so Fireball made his wife join the silent sisters, only by the time a place came open, King Aegon was dead and King Daeron named Ser Willam Wylde instead. My father says that it was Fireball as much as Bittersteel who convinced Daemon Blackfyre to claim the crown, and rescued him when Daeron sent the Kingsguard to arrest him. Later on, Fireball killed Lord Lefford at the gates of Lannisport and sent the Grey Lion running back to hide inside the Rock. At the crossing of the Mandel, he cut down the sons of Lady Penrose one by one. They say he spared the life of the youngest one as a kindness to his mother.

-egg says this in the mystery knight, bolded parts mine

Daemon was the name Daena gave to this child, for Prince Daemon had been the wonder and the terror of his age, and in later days that was seen as a warning of what the boy would become. Daemon Waters was his full name when he was born in 170 AC. At that time, Daena refused to name the father, but even then Aegon's involvement was suspected. Raised at the Red Keep, this handsome youth was given the instruction of the wisest maesters and the best masters-at-arms at court, including Ser Quentyn Ball, the fiery knight called Fireball. He loved nothing better than deeds of arms and excelled at them, and many saw in him a warrior who would one day be another Dragonknight.

The king sent the Kingsguard to arrest Daemon before he could take his plans for treason any further. Daemon was forewarned, and with the help of the famously hot-tempered knight Ser Quentyn Ball, called Fireball, he was able to escape the Red Keep safely. Daemon Blackfyre's allies used this attempted arrest as a cause for war, claiming that Daeron had acted against Daemon out of no more than baseless fear. Others still named him Daeron Falseborn, repeating the calumny that Aegon the Unworthy himself was said to have circulated in the later years of his reign: that he had been sired not by the king but by his brother, the Dragonknight.

-these are both from TWOIAF, again bolded and italicized parts mine.

WHAT STICKS OUT TO ME

Quentyn is married, a landless knight, and clearly older than Daena - it’s not just about a man “spoiling” a young, royal maiden but imo also that Quentyn specifically would get in a LOT of trouble because he is low class (see: Bonifer & Rhaella) and married to boot

He was master at arms, which gives him the ability to be in Daemon’s life without arousing suspicion from anyone, and also proximity to Daena to allow for an affair, even with her on the Maidenvault.

He’s name dropped SEVERAL times and he’s clearly very important to the founding of the Blackfyre Rebellion despite being both very lowborn and also dying in a kinda lame way (not even during the battle, just by a lone archer)

He wanted so badly to be on the kingsguard he forced his wife into the Silent Sisters, only to be denied by Daeron

He seemed to be on good terms with Aegon IV

Everyone seems real sure that the daddy was Aegon and we’re not given a reason why

Aegon doesn’t claim Daemon as his bastard until after (presumably) Daena has died

Also, Aegon doesn’t claim Daemon as his bastard until after all of the Great Bastards have been born

EYE think that Aegon IV was purposefully trying to have a bastard that could challenge Daeron, and that his affairs weren’t just like lust, boredom, wanting to disrespect Naerys & Aemon, etc. There is, imo, a shift in his mistresses being just, any woman he has access to - Falena, Bellegere, Cassella, and Meg - to woman who are highborn maidens from powerful families in Westeros - the Blackwoods, Brackens, and Lothstons. Even Serenei fits in here, given that Targ-looking wives from Lys & Volantis are not uncommon before or after Aegon IV. He’s even mentioned as still having a role in Aegor’s life by visiting him, potentially trying to groom him to rebel. But then everything with the Brackens blows up in his face (which is his own fault tbc), and Brynden is an emo fuck with red eyes, and Shiera is a girl. Then Daena dies…..and an opportunity opens up. Daemon looks like a Targaryen, no one knows who the father is, but for some reason everyone already suspects him (imo this is due to Rhaenyra’s boys looking like Harwin - like just a misogyny thing that SURELY Daemon couldn’t get his look from his mother alone, look at Rhaenyra’s kids vs Alicent’s), so publicly claiming Daena’s child at last gives him the perfect rival against Daeron.

ALSO, we have a few times in the story where someone joins the Kingsguard to be closer to a woman they want to protect - Aemon & Naerys, Jaime & Cersei, and Loras & Margaery. I think Lewyn & Elia likely fall under this as well. I think it makes sense Quentyn would see joining the Kingsguard as an opportunity to be closer to both Daena & Daemon especially given his low class status; skilled knights can rise to the Kingsguard even from lowborn or baseborn backgrounds. ALSO ALSO again, our only evidence of Aegon IV being the dad is, ya know, Aegon himself. Daena stayed silent her entire life on the subject. I like to think she had a reason for this - not that she protecting Aegon, but that she was protecting Quentyn.

#thank you very much i’ll be here all week #valyrianscrolls #quentyn ball #daena the defiant #daemon blackfyre #getting on my soap box

[lotreckk]

some sketches with the great bastards because aegor rivers is one of my favourite characters

#sketch #aegor rivers #daemon blackfyre #brynden rivers #asoiaf #the world of ice and fire #quentyn ball #my art

[aegor-bamfsteel]

Quentyn Ball has big “wears a Hawaiian shirt in Braavos” energy and Aegor Rivers has big “wears a hoodie in Tyrosh” energy no I will not elaborate

#quentyn ball #aegor rivers #shitpost

[faeporcelain]

How I imagine the men of ASOIAF

Blackfyre Rebellion

#asongoffireandice #asoiaf #game of thrones #house of the dragon #got #headcanons #hotd #asoif/got #targaryen #a song of ice and fire #fireandblood #blackfyre rebellion #daeron ii targaryen #duncan the tall #dunk and egg #quentyn ball #alys cockshaw #aegor rivers #bittersteel #lord hayfield #maekar targaryen #baelor targaryen #then blackfyre rebellions

[nanshe-of-nina]

Posthumous Characters GIF Sets → Daemon I Blackfyre

Daemon was the name Daena gave to this child, for Prince Daemon had been the wonder and the terror of his age, and in later days that was seen as a warning of what the boy would become. Daemon Waters was his full name when he was born in 170 AC. At that time, Daena refused to name the father, but even then Aegon’s involvement was suspected. Raised at the Red Keep, this handsome youth was given the instruction of the wisest maesters and the best masters-at-arms at court, including Ser Quentyn Ball, the fiery knight called Fireball. He loved nothing better than deeds of arms and excelled at them, and many saw in him a warrior who would one day be another Dragonknight. King Aegon knighted Daemon in his twelfth year when he won a squires’ tourney (thereby making him the youngest knight ever made in the time of the Targaryens, surpassing Maegor I) and shocked his court, kin, and council by bestowing upon him the sword of Aegon the Conqueror, Blackfyre, as well as lands and other honors. Daemon took the name Blackfyre thereafter.

#asoiafedit #valyrianscrolls #daemon blackfyre #house blackfyre #house targaryen #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf gifs #nanshe's graphics

[racefortheironthrone]

Is Quentyn Ball a true knight? On one hand, he is described in a very good light by many, includind Duncan the Tall. On the other, forcing his wife to join the Silent Sisters is, well, very bad, to say the least.

He may have been a true knight, but a bad husband.

[goodqueenaly]

What do you think was relationship between Daemon and Daeron's sons were like before the first Blackfyre Rebellion. Daemon being knighted before them probably stunned Baelor and Maekar, but receiving Blackfyre must haved been humiliating for Maekar. And to have Daemon revealed be their uncle certainly didn't help.

It's a very good question, and almost certainly something that will be explored in Fire and Blood Volume 2 (and maybe alluded to in future Tales of Dunk and Egg). We know of extremely little in the way of interaction between the sons of Daeron II and Daemon Waters-then-Blackfyre: Yandel reports that "Prince Baelor ... [won] his famous victory at Princess Daenerys's wedding tourney" in 187 AC by "defeat[ing] Daemon Blackfyre in the final tilt", while Egg notes that Ser Quentyn Ball "taught my father and my uncles how to fight. The Great Bastards too". While Daemon would very likely have been a familiar guest at Daeron II's court - Daemon was granted land near the Blackwater on which to build a castle, and Yandel explains that Daeron "did what he could to keep the Great Bastards close" - it remains to be seen how often he was there (especially following his marriage), and to what extent he interacted with the next generation of princes.

However, what I will note is that I would not assume immediate animosity from Baelor and/or Maekar (and they would I think have the most opinion here, compared to their own brothers) toward Daemon Blackfyre. Indeed, both Baelor and Daemon were noted for their open, charming personalities: Baelor was, according to Yandel, "a man who could win respect with ease and was as open-handed and just as his father", while Daemon (according to GRRM's description of him) wore "a warm smile" and "made friends easily", someone who even managed to stay on good terms with both Bittersteel and Bloodraven. Nor might they have been terribly surprised by Aegon IV revealing that Daemon was his son and bestowing on him a knighthood and the sword Blackfyre (to the extent, at least that Maekar cared, being all of four to eight years old when the event occurred): Aegon IV's careless, self-serving, often cruel generosity was no secret by this point (since this was the same king who had given the Blackwoods Bracken lands as part of a joke and paid a dragon's egg for the right to sex with the daughters of his Butterwell host). It is also worth reminding that there were 12 years between Daeron II's accession and the First Blackfyre Rebellion, years in which Daemon might have appeared as a perfectly chivalrous, perfectly loyal bastardborn relation to the reigning Targaryen king - and so, in other words, not a suspicious or much-disliked individual in the eyes of Baelor and/or Maekar.

So it's possible, and I would say plausible, that the relationship between Daeron's sons and Daemon (before the First Blackfyre Rebellion, obviously) might have been not terribly antagonistic - if not quite fraternal, say, something like a friendly rivalry. They would learn the same martial lessons from the same master-at-arms, compete in the same tournaments, participate in the same royal functions, all, perhaps, shining as the bright young stars of the court. If Daemon got a knighthood at 12, well, Baelor and Maekar earned their knighthoods soon enough (and Baelor was enough of a success at knighthood to unseat Daemon in that wedding tilt, undermining at least in that moment any thought of Daemon as the superior knight). If Daemon had been granted Blackfyre by the late king, well, Maekar certainly seems to have told himself (and subsequently Egg) that "Daemon was a swordsman, and Daeron never was", and that to give the sword to Daeron would have been to "give a horse to a man who cannot ride"; he and Baelor may have simply felt that the gift was no more than a reflection on both Daemon's martial prowess and Aegon the Unworthy's follies (a point perhaps underlined when Daeron II gave Bloodraven Dark Sister). If Daemon had been recognized as the late king's son and legitimized, well, Baelor and Maekar may well have been sure of their places as sons of the reigning king, ahead of even a legitimized bastard in the succession.

In turn, I think such a relationship underlines GRRM's favorite theme, the human heart in conflict with itself. How much richer and more painful a story might it be to have Baelor and Maekar genuinely like Daemon Blackfyre, to have them treat him with friendship and warmth, and then to have to go to war against him and ultimately try to bring him down (and succeed in doing so)? How might they have felt by such a turn of events - disappointed and hurt that so talented and apparently chivalrous a knight had turned against them and their father, confused as to how he could have been led astray by (so they might have thought or hoped) "false friends and evil counselors" (to borrow a turn of phrase from the Lords Declarant), angry at his treason, sad at the circumstances that forced them to war against him and eventually kill him (or, rather, see him killed by Bloodraven)? Just as I think it adds much depth and richness to the story of Bloodraven to have Daemon be that "brother I loved" to whom he alludes in ADWD, so I think it would be very interesting to see Baelor and Maekar have a friendly relationship with Daemon turned antagonistic in the First Blackfyre Rebellion.

#asoiaf meta #fire and blood volume 2 #daemon blackfyre #baelor breakspear #maekar i targaryen

[asongofsilks]

ASOIAF FANCASTING –> EVERY NAMED FEMALE CHARACTER ABOVE THE AGE OF FIVE, PART XXIV

Gwyneth Yronwood (b. 287 AC): Youngest daughter of Lord Anders Yronwood of Yronwood. She hopes to marry Quentyn Martell, son of the Prince of Dorne, once she has flowered. Fancast: Willow Shields.

Gysella Goodbrother (b. approx. 278 AC): One of the twelve daughters of Lord Gorold Goodbrother of Hammerhorn in the Iron Islands. Fancast: Maisy McLeod-Riera.

Hali (d. 298 AC): Spearwife who accosts Bran Stark in the godswood along with Osha and two deserters from the Night's Watch. She is slain by Bran's direwolf, Summer. Fancast: Natasha Culzac.

Hanna Harroway (d. 44 AC): Sister of Queen Alys Harroway, one of the wives of Maegor the Cruel. She was slain by Maegor's Kingsguard trying to protect her sister from Maegor's wrath following accusations of the queen's infidelity. Fancast: Sezgi Sena Akay.

Harma Dogshead (d. 300 AC): One of the captains in Mance Rayder's army, she is known for hating dogs and kills one every fortnight for a new banner. She is killed in the battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces at the Wall. Fancast: Natalia Tena.

Goodwife Harra (d. 299 AC): One of the servants of Lady Shella Whent's household in Harrenhal. She is later executed by Roose Bolton after he takes Harrenhal during the War of the Five Kings, for telling the other servants to serve the Lannister forces. Fancast: Donogh Rees.

Hazel Harte (c. 110-132 AC): Wife of Daeron Velaryon, grandnephew of Corlys Velaryon of Driftmark. Her only child, Daenaera Velaryon, married King Aegon III following her appearance at the Maiden's Day Ball of 133 AC. Fancast: Elizabeth Lail.

Helaena Targaryen (109-130 AC): Only daughter of King Viserys I and his second wife, Alicent Hightower. She was married to her older brother, who later seized the throne as Aegon II, and had three children with him. Both of her sons were cruelly slaughtered during the Dance of the Dragons, and she committed suicide by jumping from her window in Maegor's Holdfast. The very night she died, the smallfolk of King's Landing rose in riot against Queen Rhaenyra and the "black" faction of the Dance, thinking that she had been murdered and demanding justice for her and her sons. Fancast: Holliday Granger.

Helicent Uffering (b. approx. 171 AC): Sister of Ser Rolland Uffering, who was the fourth husband of Lady Rohanne Webber of Coldmoat. She came with him to Coldmoat and remained there after his death. Fancast: Nicola Coughlan.

Helly (main series era): A serving girl at the Peach in Stoney Sept in the Riverlands. Fancast: Szandra Asztalos.

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#asoiaf fancast #valyrianscrolls #helaena targaryen #helicent uffering #hazel harte #harma dogshead #helly #hanna harroway #goodwife harra #hali #gwyneth yronwood #gysella goodbrother #allfancasts #asoiaf fashion

[atopvisenyashill]

i am a “daemon blackfyre’s dad is quentyn ball and aegon and daena didn’t fuck anywhere near when she got pregnant so aegon knew damn well that wasn’t his kid he just hates daeron, naerys, and aemon that much” truther and i will remain a daemon ball truther even if george looks me dead in the eyes and tells me aegon is the daddy.

#getting on my soap box

[finitefall]

Hi! Love all your takes. Sorry to bother you, but I saw that allegedly George responded “this guy gets it” to a 2013 blog post about Dany becoming the Mad Queen? Have you heard of it? I admit I’m a bit worried.

Hi nonnie! I’m glad you find my posts interesting, and you're not bothering me at all :)

GRRM referred to the Meereen storyline in A Dance with Dragons as "the Meereenese knot" because of how complex it was to write. He talked about it in an interview:

Now that we know how the "Meereenese knot" played out, what was the problem with this? For example, was it the order in which Dany met various characters, or who, when, and how someone would try to take the dragons? Now I can explain things. It was a confluence of many, many factors: lets start with the offer from Xaro to give Dany ships, the refusal of which then leads to Qarth's declaration of war. Then there's the marriage of Daenerys to pacify the city. Then there's the arrival of the Yunkish army at the gates of Meereen, there's the order of arrival of various people going her way (Tyrion, Quentyn, Victarion, Aegon, Marwyn, etc.), and then there's Daario, this dangerous sellsword and the question of whether Dany really wants him or not, there's the plague, there's Drogon's return to Meereen… All of these things were balls I had thrown up into the air, and they're all linked and chronologically entwined. The return of Drogon to the city was something I explored as happening at different times. For example, I wrote three different versions of Quentyn's arrival at Meereen: one where he arrived long before Dany's marriage, one where he arrived much later, and one where he arrived just the day before the marriage (which is how it ended up being in the novel). And I had to write all three versions to be able to compare and see how these different arrival points affected the stories of the other characters. Including the story of a character who actually hasn't arrived yet. (source)

Someone wrote a series of essays called "The Meereenese Blot", which is also the name of his blog. They were written in 2013 (ADWD was published in 2011), and the thing is that many people thought the Meereen storyline was a mess, while the author of those essays made some good points about its relevance, the major storylines within the whole Meereen's storyline, the themes GRRM explored. Now, it’s been a very long time since I’ve read all of this, and I don’t remember it very well, but Adam begins his "Untangling the Meereenese Knot" with:

Meereen. The mere word probably makes you groan. It’s considered to be the weakest, most frustrating plotline in ADWD, and perhaps in in the whole series. It’s thought to be where GRRM lost the plot and spent endless chapters on pointless filler. The solutions seem so obvious, the villains seem obviously evil one-dimensional caricatures. And many fans see it as the plotline that ruined Dany’s character, revealing her to be a naive, incompetent, lovesick girl.

Because that's how people saw it, even some Dany fans were frustrated. And I can't find the link, but yes, GRRM did say "this guy gets it". However, is he approving literally everything Adam said? I don’t think so, I’m not sure he’s read all of it. He could have been saying that this guy understood the importance of the plotline. Without reading the whole thing again, it’s clear the peace wasn't real and that Dany chosing Fire and Blood in the end only means she understood the peace she tried to make in Meereen wasn't working. She will be darker in The Winds of Winter, like literally every character, but saying it’s her giving in to her selfish and darker impulses? No. So I have very mixed feelings about The Meereenese Blot, because making good points and getting people interested in the storyline isn’t a bad thing, but there are more accurate metas that have been written and aren’t used by antis for their Dark!Dany foreshadowing.

Edit: I’m adding the comments from nonnies on this post as I believe they’re relevant to your question:

GRRM complimenting The Meereenese Blot was so obviously him being happy someone wasn’t dismissing the subplot outright, not a full scale endorsement of a fan theory. People are so desperate to have Dany go mad that they will just ignore logic. Like yeah GRRM is gonna go out of his way to confirm 1 (one) single major fan theory as absolute fact despite him never doing that before or ever again. He even later denied parts of that theory outright (Dany burning the water gardens)

My understanding was that GRRM didn't even read Feldman's essay, he just heard about it from Linda, and who knows how she described it to him 😭 I'd be very surprised if he agreed with those essays because Feldman seriously mischaracterizes Arianne and Melisandre as well. On the whole, it's a bunch of misogynistic crap. Brideoffires has a really good, in-depth debunking of the whole thing.

#ASOIAF #Daenerys Targaryen #George R.R. Martin #answered

[aegor-bamfsteel]

hello aegor-bamfsteel, you have blessed us with so many metas about Daemon/blackfyres and asoiaf in general. I’m curious if you have any about Elaena’s twins, they are rarely talked about, I mean it’s understandable as we know nothing about them outside of Jon’s descendants forming their own house, beside Rennifer Longwaters saying about Jon that “he grew to be a great knight, as did his own son, who put the 'Long' before the 'Waters' so men might know that he was not basely born himself…" sooo do you have any headcanons about the twins Jon and Jeyne?

Thank you for the kind words about my Blackfyre metas. It’s says a lot to me that you consider yourself blessed when I write. I actually do have headcanons about Elaena’s oldest children, although I’ve been hesitant to share them because I’ve gotten hate from Blackfyre antis for speculating they and their mother had a positive relationship with Daemon Blackfyre. All my Waters twins related headcanons are based on the fact that Elaena remarried when they were 6 years old at the most and would be unable to take them with her to Plumm lands. After that time, where would they be raised? The Velaryons are an option, but I don’t like that considering how Alyn treated Baela, by having an affair with a recently released captive young enough to be his granddaughter (plus she apparently hoped to marry him, which depending on if Baela were alive was disrespectful). Basically I don’t think Baela’s children would want much to do with the twins, and probably didn’t foster them at Driftmark immediately. But there was one person, someone Elaena deeply admired, who still lived in the Red Keep and had a child approximately the same age as the twins: Daena Targaryen. So I like to think that the twins were raised alongside Daemon in Daena’s household, and this had a great effect on who’d they become as adults.

Daena wasn’t someone to set strict rules for the kids with their future in mind (Jon and Daemon must train at arms to earn their living by the sword, Jeyne must learn etiquette and writing to become a lady in waiting); rather, she’d encourage them to pursue their interests, after her male relatives had denied her the opportunity. Her household would’ve been an unusually open spot in Aegon’s deadly, exploitative court. Their childhood with Daena would’ve represented something not unlike what Winterfell represents for the Stark kids: a time of innocence, relative lack of responsibility, friendship and honest love…though try as Daena might, she couldn’t protect them from anti-illegitimate prejudice or hearing of many of Aegon’s abuses. Nor did she prepare them for the danger when less well-meaning authority figures looked after them.

So I imagine that Daena died very soon before the tournament where Daemon won his honors, because she was no longer able to refuse Aegon’s claims to be his father. Daena, who as a sportswoman was always in fine health, didn’t imagine that she’d pass away before the children were of age (in fact some of her supporters believed that Aegon had poisoned her to get her out of the way). She wanted to marry Jeyne and Daemon, only a year apart in age, to prevent them from being used as marriage pawns in some political game, so they and Jon could keep the United front as they did in childhood. Nevertheless, Daena had a few supporters who wanted her on the Iron Throne that might agree to take in the children. The Master of Hull, Daemion Velaryon (who had once proposed marriage to Daena and later wed one of her companions from the Maidenvault, Maia Stokeworth) agreed to see to their needs. While Jeyne and Jon were able to reach Driftmark, Daemon had been held back by Quentyn Ball due to a possible squireship. Upset at the loss of their friend’s son, Daemion and Maia took in the Waters twins and tried to see them reach a more standard level of education.

I have fewer headcanons for Jon. In their youth he and Daemon resembled each other from the back, though he stayed lean whereas Daemon broadened. He inherited the thin, angry mouth of his mother, though he tended more to melancholy silence than outright rage. He had none of Elaena’s wit or Daena’s easy manner, and while he quietly admired his aunt and adopted her approach to honor, he considered Elaena lacking in strong morals. What he did have was a solid work ethic and sense of duty to protect his family, especially his sister Jeyne, who had a harder time conforming to societal expectations. He was also prone to self-criticism. He was grateful to Daemion for taking him in and hiring a master-at-arms (Daena’s former sworn shield, Gareth “the Grey”) to see to his training, and was indulgent with his foster sisters. He and Daemon were good friends in childhood, and Daemon often was a go-between in Jon and his mother’s strained relationship. He feared Aegor Rivers as a dangerous radical who’d disrupt the social order (and he was right), and also resented how close they’d gotten when Aegor was never part of Daemon’s life until recently. In a generation of famous knights, Jon was certainly good, but not among the best, not helped by his social awkwardness (borne of living in someone’s shadow/treated as an inconvenience). Living amongst Daena’s old supporters—and considering his childhood with her to be his happiest memories—he of course would’ve supported Daemon. However, Elaena—noting the tension of court—had him sent to Braavos as part of Michel Manwoody’s escort, and the war was over when he returned to Westeros. Jon was furious that his mother—who he’d felt never bothered to understand him, but treated him as a minor inconvenience rather than a son—would go over his head and soil his honor, rather than let him fight and die as he chose. Elaena did not wish to see any of her children die needlessly in a war she felt was pointless and unwinnable, and believed she was saving him from himself. Shamed, Jon did not go to Tyrosh to join the exiles, as he felt that they would attempt to kill him as a traitor and Red ally. While not technically a Blackfyre supporter, Da3ron II knew that was only because of Elaena, and for his service to the crown in Essos granted him the hand of Gemima Waters, the illegitimate niece of Clarence Cargyll and heiress to half his lands…which “happened” to adjoin the salted lands of the exiled Blackfyres, so Jon could contemplate the mistake his cousin had made. While Jon feared what would happen to him should the Blackfyres return to fight for the throne, he passed away before he could find out. His son Allar ruled the lands jointly with his mother, and having won honor fighting the ironborn, changed his name to Longwaters and erected a new keep.

I have more headcanons for Jeyne. She was tall and lanky, yellow-haired and purple eyed. Daena insisted on Jeyne learning to defend herself with spear and bow. However, her passion was for science, and she would spend time reading and speaking to the “wisest maesters”. Jeyne was friends with Princess Daenerys, who would join the Waters’ in their games. Yet she felt like the princess had what she lacked, being charming, witty, beautiful, and brave. Squires would give Daenerys a lot of attention while Jeyne (who had read about romance in her books and had a crush on one of those admirers) was relegated to “the ugly friend”. Jeyne was more aware of her uncertain future than the boys and tried to focus on becoming a good lady-in-waiting, as Daenerys was certain she’d be allowed to take Jeyne with her when she wed. She accepted her mother’s nameday gifts with more grace than Jon, and as she got older had a better relationship with Elaena, who found her intelligent and “occasionally sensible”. When she got to Hull, she came out of her shell more, being able to explore the sea, learn to keep accounts, and even was romanced by another ward, Titus Peake, who promised to be one of the greatest stewards in their generation, and the Heir to Dunstonbury besides. Following her mother and aunt, she declared her intention to marry him, only to be told that he was too high of a match for an illegitimate child. Titus’ grandmother understood the value of a marriage with Targaryen and offered Titus’ brother Domeric. The Velaryons agreed without even telling Elaena, who legally had no claim to dispose her hand. Jeyne gave birth to her first child at 14, a son named Desmond, just a year younger than Daemon’s twins; at 17, she had a girl named Danna. Jeyne often also tended to her goodsisters’ children, who in exchange taught her better how to keep a castle. She experimented with different types of fertilizer to make the gardens grow better. Jeyne’s marriage gave the Peakes closer access to Daemon, and consequently were one of his biggest supporters to the point of offering Danna as a match for Aegon (noting the importance of Valyrian blood in a brides). Perhaps to reassure the Peakes of a betrothal, Daemon legitimized Jeyne as a member of House Targaryen (and thus implied, according to the Peakes, that Jeyne’s line could succeed his own on the throne). When war broke out, Jeyne rode with her husband and young son to use her skills as a healer and weapon maker. She was part of the maesters at the rear of the Blackfyre army at Redgrass. When her son was threatened by a mounted Reachman, she grabbed the reins and plunged a spear into the horse’s neck, giving her son enough time to draw his sword and kill the rider. With the Blackfyre army survivors either going home marching to exile, and her husband slain in battle thus unable to offer protection, Jeyne had a choice: either to join the exiles in Tyrosh with her son (where at least her skills as a scientist would be better appreciated) leaving her daughter behind, or to surrender her son to the Reds and pretend the Peakes had forced her into supporting Daemon. Jeyne chose exile, so Gormon Peake gave her a small escort for protection. She and her son were attainted and Danna became a hostage in the Red Keep; she was treated with enough courtesy thanks to Elaena that she was not forced to become a septa, but instead betrothed to a Gulltown Arryn, which probably saved her life (the Vale was untouched by the Great Spring Sickness). As for Jeyne, she eventually remarried to a Tyroshi alchemist in order to become an unofficial member of their guild. She was helpful in securing their support in making weapons for the Third Blackfyre war effort. Her family would play a fairly significant part in the Bamfsteel version of the Third Blackfyre, as it struggles to heal itself after a generation of loss and forced separation.

This is much less organized that the headcanons on the Blackfyres, maybe because there’s more of them since the Waters twins have a more set story role. I thought that since the Targaryens were all United and never lost any relative to a Blackfyre (which certainly doesn’t make me sympathize with them, since the Blackfyres lost nearly everyone) that it’d be interesting to have Elaena’s older children be close to their cousin and want to fight for him, or even choose him in a way that cut them off from their mother. I’m not saying I expect GRRM to write a story exactly like these headcanons (tbh not even I would), but I’m interested in thinking up character dynamics that create emotional resonance and compliment the themes of the main series. I have even more headcanons on Jeyne at least, but this post has gone on long enough.

Thanks again for the ask and the kind words about my metas.

#ask #asoiaf headcanon #jon waters #jeyne waters #first blackfyre rebellion #daena the defiant #daena targaryen #long post

[redrobbrivers]

reading about the guy grrm based quentyn ball on and man how do you try to overthrow the guy you just overthrew the last king with less than five years ago 😭😭😭

[proyectocdhyf]

Opciones de Ambientación

Saludos! Que emoción que estés leyendo esto, agradezco tu atención. Para el futuro foro tengo en mente tres ambientaciones, que enlisto a continuación:

Primera Rebelión Fuegoscuro: comienza en el año 196 d.C., después que el Rey Daeron trata de arrestar a Daemon y éste huye junto a Quentyn Ball y Aceroamargo.

Rebelión Greyjoy: corre el año 289 d.C. y Balon Greyjoy, lord Segador de Pyke y de las Islas del Hierro, piensa que el reinado de Robert aún es débil. En un intento de ser independiente y restaurar las Antiguas Costumbres, se alza en armas.

Guerra de los Cinco Reyes: año 299 d.C.. Robb Stark, el Joven Lobo y Rey en el Norte, ha roto el sitio de Aguasdulces, deteniendose en el hogar de su abuelo para pensar los siguientes pasos. Al sur, Renly Baratheon ha sido coronado Rey con apoyo de los Tyrell y todo el Dominio. En Rocadragón también hay otro rey, Stannis Baratheon, con apoyo de los señores del Mar Angosto y las Tierras de la Tormenta. En las Islas del Hierro, Theon ha llegado a su hogar como emisario de Robb para sumar a los Greyjoy, pero lord Balon tiene otros planes. En Desembarco, Joffrey y los leones también piensan en futuros planes.

Mas adelante, dependiendo lo que opine la comunidad, haré ambientaciones mucho mas detalladas.

#asoiaf #roleplay #foro rpg #juego de rol #juego de tronos

[warsofasoiaf]

Considering Fireball trained Daemon, Maekar, Baelor, etc., he must have been pretty damn amazing at his job, right?

I think that's a safe assumption.

Thanks for the question, Anon.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

#quentyn ball

[nettlestheedragonrider]

On Kingmakers

What I love is that Fireball and Criston Cole went out in the same way - bland and unceremoniously.

No proper last words, no heroic last minute fight. Just an arrow or two to send them to the Seven.

#quentyn ball #fireball #criston cole #the kingmaker #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #fire and blood #the mystery knight

[joannalannister]

Quentyn Ball was the master-at-arms at the Red Keep. He taught my father and my uncles how to fight. The Great Bastards too. King Aegon promised to raise him to the Kingsguard, so Fireball made his wife join the silent sisters, only by the time a place came open, King Aegon was dead and King Daeron named Ser Willam Wylde instead. My father says that it was Fireball as much as Bittersteel who convinced Daemon Blackfyre to claim the crown, and rescued him when Daeron sent the Kingsguard to arrest him. Later on, Fireball killed Lord Lefford at the gates of Lannisport and sent the Grey Lion running back to hide inside the Rock. At the crossing of the Mandel, he cut down the sons of Lady Penrose one by one. They say he spared the life of the youngest one as a kindness to his mother.

The Mystery Knight

#asoiaf quote #quentyn ball #dunk and egg #the mystery knight