#right because its not like a lot of us talk about how the proship community heavily encourages racism or anything..

[dyketubbo]

anon bud im not sure what worth you think sending that post about tiffany having a government position to me has. you'd think i would have made it clear enough i don't really support ao3 and that includes not wanting people to pay 10 dollars to be an otw member or whatever. it's already pretty fuckin clear the fearmongering adults who genuinely compare "antis" to christian puritans and racist queerphobic white supremacists have it in the bag on getting people not to vote for tiffany, i think as worthwhile as it is to note that she is in a position of power, it is also worthwhile to note what the post on the matter i already reblogged said about how people will clamor to talk about chinese spies regardless of what job tiffany has and i'm not gonna add to that.

also this is a dream smp blog and i'm trying to make a deltarune inspired au rn leave me be

#i am still reeling over that one person saying antis are racist white supremacists like #um #hello? #right because its not like a lot of us talk about how the proship community heavily encourages racism or anything.. #anyways im not that heavily involved in the voting on ao3 scene leave me out of it #the only ao3 related shit i talk about on this blog is how much i dont like it even #and how much i dont like proshippers because most of them are like. really gross people #i still get close to panicking thinking about that one person who tried downplaying the real ass grooming that happens in the proship scene #esp on ao3 which is probably one of the biggest fucking sites next to tumblr where due to the lack of moderation you can find real ass- #-pedos and minors who dont know any better getting groomed by them under the guise of 'anti censorship' and 'sexual freedom' #etc etc #basically: buddy im not the person to go to for this. go to someone who actually cares about ao3s political scene #i get theres problems with tiffany and all but im fucking 17 running a mcyt blog #also i heard a part of why it was banned was because there was rpf of an idol or whatever #like yeah china has problems with sex related media but maybe dont have fucking rpf on your site ykwim #not pedophilic media but it isnt exactly media that should exist either #anyways im done talking about ao3 now #mask mews #ao3 #discourse

[nothorses]

I noticed that you reposted something that is along the lines of proship

I agree with leaving media alone but I think its incredibly disgusting when people ship, for example siblings, because what it feels to me is that they have an incest fetish or something

I know just because someone writes about murder doesnt mean they support it, and I believe that. but usually when people write about murder it's in a negative context, obviously showing how it is so incomprehensible to outsiders about how someone could do that, or showing how we need to get these people help.

trying to apply this to, for example, incest, if someone ships an incestuous relationship then it seems like it would be in a good context, and it seems like they support it should it be in real life. that's how I view this all. (itd be different if they shipped siblings as a strange headcanon and talking about how it's bad... this reasoning I can understand the most to the point where I can let myself ignore it)

how am I supposed to learn to not care? especially when they are really outward about it?

okay.

I do not participate in shipping discourse because I do not participate in shipping. I'm not really In Fandom anymore like, generally. I don't... care.

Because of this I had literally no idea what you were referring to in this ask. I had to scroll. So far back. To get to this post, which also doesn't refer to shipping discourse.

I also have not talked about incest here, and the post in question doesn't talk about incest.

It's about murder. And gore. Which you say here is fine.

Literally why did you send me this ask.

And like... there's a fair chance this is just bait, and there's also enough of a chance that you're genuinely asking that, like, fuck it. I'm gonna get shit no matter what I do, so I may as well try to do a little good.

You use the words "feels" and "seems" a lot in this ask. And I'm really glad you did, actually, because I think it's honest; you're operating on your feelings and assumptions, and that's really important to keep in mind.

And your feelings on this are valid! It's normal to be uncomfortable with certain content, and it's normal to not want to see or engage in it. You don't need to feel any differently about those things. You don't have to consume incestuous content, you don't have to be okay with it, and you don't have to be around it.

But ask yourself: you assume that other people engaging in this content means they support it in real life, but what if they don't? What if you're wrong?

Maybe they're saying it's wrong in a way you're just not picking up on, or that you don't recognize. Maybe they aren't saying it's wrong; maybe it's in the context. Maybe it's in a genre trope in a genre you're not familiar with. Maybe it's irony or satire that you aren't picking up on. Maybe they aren't saying it at all, but that's still what they think, and they just chose not to put it in that content for... who knows what reason. Maybe they're literally just bad at writing.

What then?

Sometimes you're going to feel or assume that something is going on, and you're just gonna be wrong. And you could ask who's fault that is- did you fail to pick up on something you should have been able to, or did they fail to communicate it well enough?- but like, what are you going to do with that information?

Sometimes people are not very good at literary analysis, and sometimes people are not very good at writing, and that's just part of learning. Do we tell everyone not to attempt to talk about certain topics unless they're "good enough" to do it "right"? How do we know when someone's "good enough", and how do they get to that point without practice? Do we just ban those topics altogether? What topics do we ban- where's the line? How do we enforce it? How do we prevent that from being weaponized against marginalized people?

Anon, you asked me how you can "not care" about these things existing. And I think that's a valid question; you feel there is injustice, and you want to stop it. That can be a very noble impulse, and it can be harnessed for a lot of good.

But it can also be really, really toxic- not just to the people you hurt because you act on assumptions and impulses that are incorrect, but to yourself. You can't control everything. You can't control how other people feel, whether or how they engage in certain topics, or what they do or say. You just can't. And trying, or wanting to try, or thinking you should try- it's going to drive you nuts.

So here's how not to care:

Remind yourself that you might be wrong. Take a moment to think about all the things you don't know for certain, and the things you would need to know to be absolutely, 100% sure that you're right.

Consider how important this is to you. How close is this person to you? How important is this issue? What would it feel like to let this go- would it continue to impact you? Do you have other options? (removing yourself from the situation, blocking tags/posts/people, etc.)

Consider what you can do, and what you should do. Think about the tools at your disposal, the power you have in this situation, and how likely this person is to listen to you. Think about whether those tools are ethical. Again, what if you're wrong? Is there any reason you might regret your actions?

If you still feel like it's worth addressing, start by asking questions. Make sure you really know what's going on, and if (and when) the situation changes with new information, walk through this process again. Repeat back what you believe is happening until they confirm that you're right, decide again whether this is worth it, and then proceed.

Sometimes it's more effective to just vent to someone else, or to make a post about the issue generally without confronting that person- especially considering your assumptions might be wrong! Maybe it's worth it to talk about what you thought was happening, but you don't know that what you thought was happening is what was actually happening. You can still talk about it, just, y'know, without making it an attack on someone else.

And again, I don't give a shit about fandom discourse. This is important to me because these are themes that crop up in regular-ass media all the time, and disagreements that crop up in regular-ass relationships with friends and family and loved ones. I think it's important that people have the skills to navigate disagreements, unintentional harm, and perceived slights in healthy, productive ways.

You can't live your whole life demanding that everyone agree with you on everything, or blaming other people for everything you misinterpret or assume incorrectly. You cannot assume that everything that hurts you was designed to hurt you. You can recognize that these are assumptions and feelings, and that's great! And I hope you're being honest when you say that you want to learn to let things go.

[caughtonwebcam]

Aren’t you the person who doesn’t understand censorship

lmao what is my name getting passed around in the comshipper community? listen, my stance on it is that you can write about whatever you want however you want and nobody can stop or censor you because it’s free speech, even if it’s blatantly abhorrent (and not just to me, but to like thousands of other people.) That’s just the law. But just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You’re really gonna sit here and tell me drawing or writing nsfw of child characters getting incest raped for sexual gain is normal and fine because it’s “not real..”? ... okay. I personally don’t like it, but you can do that, but if you paint it as a ship or call it cute, I have the right to assume weird things about you. That’s just how it is and I’m not gonna change my mind on that. So with that being said, ig I’m “proship” in the sense that you CAN ship something cuz nothing is stopping you, but I REALLLLLY don’t think you should because you shouldn’t romanticize something like a child/adult relationship (and to those in the sp fandom or my followers, I’m talking to you randy/stan and kenny/his siblings shippers.) I know that there are many reasons people write about dark or gross topics, including trauma coping . It can be good to help shine light on a serious experience or topic, such as sexual content involving minors, rape, abuse or incest, which should not be left in the dark. It’s how you handle it that really matters, which can vary, as there is no one way to do it. The bottom line is that none of that stuff is “cute” or “romantic.” For example, let’s say you like the movie “Thirteen”. I believe that movie tackles serious topics in an honest manner that gets its point across without featuring child porn. Not to mention that the movie was actually co-written by a 14 year old girl sharing some of her experiences, which shows the purpose of the movie. However, if you are an adult and like the movie because you like the scene of Tracy and Evie kissing, two 13 year old girls in a heavily toxic friendship, and you find it “cute,” I’m going to assume weird things about you. Or let’s say you like the book “Lolita” for its insight into the mind of a predator. Now compare that to liking the book because you too find Dolores attractive, and you relate to the pedophile. I know these probably arent the best examples, but hopefully this clears some things up a bit. A lot of the time it’s not the media’s fault, it’s how people view it, so I don’t believe in censorship. Like banning “The Catcher in The Rye” because one guy read it and killed John Lennon is stupid. But at the same time, look more closely at the media you are consuming. Think of the movie “Cuties”. Sure, the director claims in was not made to exploit children, but definitely exploits children by using suggestive angles of their child actors twerking. And guess what? Pedos loved it, even if that wasn’t the intention. What I’m trying to say is be unapologetic, but don’t cater to those who gain a certain gratification from it either. For the love of god, normalize a topic, but don’t NORMALIZE IT in the way it’s viewed as okay.

(and before you call me a hypocrite for liking South Park, I am fully aware of the gross people in the fandom. i am fully aware that the child characters in the show are put in suggestive situations. But it’s so absurd that you can’t take it so seriously, and those who do have a problem. It’s done for comedy and satire. Just because it is normalized in the show does not normalize it in the real world. Don’t copy cartoons silly. But making shota/lolicon is trying to normalize other forms of child porn by using the work around of “it’s not real”. See the difference?)

#I hope this provides a better explaination #cuz if my name really is going around it might have not been the best phrased take #Either that or people are just mad lmao #I’ve had so many people in my inbox telling me how retarded and brain dead I am for my stance on censorship #So this is gonna (hopefully) be the last time I’ll talk about this #and If those who continue to stalk my page and send me those messages #womp womp to you ig #Inbox #discourse #comship #proship #censorship #anti censorship #anti proship #anti comship

[glitter-skunk]

major tw for proshipping, abuse/rape mentions, + lots of other bad stuff//

i think having media talk about subjects like abuse, rape, and other stuff like that isn't bad. it's good to spread awareness about this stuff, and it does in fact need to be talked about because of how common it is. however, it should not be romanticized. we should not have movies of where a pedophile gets a teenage girl to love him and they live "happily ever after". we should not encourage stories that involve graphic descriptions of children being forcibly raped/assaulted for erotic purposes.

this is what proshippers defend. they do not preach "don't harass anyone over ships", that's just what they tell people. they romanticize media containing abuse, pedophillia, rape and other stuff of that nature. and it is almost always in erotica material when it's being romanticized.

i agree, we should not send death threats to children proshippers as they're most likely the vitcims of grooming. whether proshippers want to admit it or not, there are a lot of children in the community and it does have a grooming problem. go on any platform(tiktok, twitter, tumblr, ect) and find children proshippers, they will most likely have a post with an abusive relationship where they use to describe their partners.

i have seen dozens of posts where children proshippers make edits out of pedophiles because "it reminds them of their partners" and that is fucking terrifying. i have seen dozens of adult proshippers encourage children to go talk to older people they have a crush on, most of these kids being between the ages of 13-16 and these crushes being 17-22+.

this is incredibly dangerous for obvious reasons.

i also want to talk about the "fiction doesn't affect reality" talking point they use, and how that is not true at all.

fiction will always have some form of reality in its core. whether that be politics, the characters personalities, or its theme - fiction will always contain a bit of reality.

humans use fiction to cope, and when you actively consume media that displays abuse/pedophilia in erotic ways, you subconsciously start to train your brain that this material is good. you can still say pedophilia, and be attracted to erotic material containing pedophilia. that's what happens when you associate this stuff with positive reinforcement(example; defending it, reading it daily, ect).

and even if this didn't happen it is still very fucking weird to jack off to drawings of 4 year olds getting raped.

another thing is how proshippers say that they're not doing anything wrong, however they speak in secret code when trying to find one another. if you're not doing anything wrong, surely you don't have to hide it right? "oh but the antis harass us!!" and why do they harass you?

if you make material that romanticizes abuse/pedophilia, share it with your family. tell them you find these subjects entertaining and you actively enjoy them. i'm sure your family will accept you and have no problem with what you do, after all it is a harmless coping mechanism right? i'm sure if you sit down and explain to them that you're in a community with one of the biggest grooming problems on the internet that romanticizes abuse/pedophilia/rape, they'll be more than happy to accept you.

however, i know proshippers won't ever stop, no matter how hard i try to explain why it's morally wrong. i know your ways will not change and you won't develop healthier coping mechanisms, and you will continue being a complete weirdo that no one likes and who should live society.

however, that does not give you the right to spread your material where children are. you shouldn't spread it or make it at all for obvious reasons, but especially keep it away from kids. i agree, responsibility is on the parents, but it's also on adults on the internet. yes, children should not be online, and yes adults need to monitor them more; however children are on online unsupervised so it's our responsibility as responsible internet users to try and keep them safe.

if you're going to post your proshipper stuff, can you please for the love of god do it where kids have a lesser chance of seeing it. do it on twitter, or AO3 where they allow that stuff and put warnings on it. private your account, put warnings everywhere that you do this stuff. i understand it won't stop all kids from seeing it but it does lessen the numbers of kids who will see it.

and if you're a proshipper in a fandom that is filled with kids or is made for kids(example; mlp, invader zim, ect) then don't post your stuff on a public account. make it private.

that way kids can stay safe and you can choose who can enter your abuse loving safespace.

and speaking of kids, don't work with kids if you actively enjoy and constantly consume material that romanticizes abuse/pedophilia. and if you do, show your boss. i'm sure they'll have no issues with someone who gets off to stories of kids getting raped working with kids. i'm sure you won't be fired or investigated.

just because you won't go to prison for it doesn't make it morally okay. i wish that is something you idiotic pieces of shit would understand.

i wish you all a merry fuck you, and may you all rot.

#glitter skunk #antiship #anti proship #antishipper #anti para #anti paraphilia #tw proship #tw proshippers #proshippers die challenge #you're all disgusting go get help you sick fucks #fuck you #proshippers fuck off #fucking hate proshippers #fuck you too paraphiles #paraphiles and proshippers are 2 sides of the same coin #so fuck both of you #go get therapy or better yet leave society

[histronic-gizmo]

I stumbled across your tumblr and it prompted me to ask: how are you so unashamed about being proship/shipping rick x morty? I'm 16 years old and I started shipping them when I was 14 and It's my deepest secret. I've always been ashamed by it and thought something was seriously wrong with me, but you have this whole account and even talk to others about it. I'm almost envious.

Honestly, my unashamed-y of my posting of ships, not just rickorty, was a long journey for me.

Its probably because of my bipolar impulsiveness, but when I meet people irl, the first thing I tell them is I ship Rickorty. RnM is my hyperfixation right now, so it's all i can talk about anyway. It's just my way of chasing off any antis I might meet irl.

I am almost TOO unashamed, perhaps lol. Them getting married is my lockscreen.

But I wasn't always like that. I only learned to be open about it thanks to finding out my romantic partner was also secretly proship. Being able to talk to faer about it helped me to realize that there isn't anything wrong with it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you. Finding taboo things interesting is normal. Regardless of whether you use it to cope or just find the dynamic appealing, it doesn't say anything about you as a person. Fiction isnt reality. It often connects to reality in a lot of ways, but they are still seperate planes of existence.

Being openly proship is hard. Right now, my notifications are filled with people arguing on my Simpsons and Family Guy posts. Depending on the fandom, sometimes I can't interact with anyone in it.

I haven't gotten any death threats on this account yet, but I've gotten plenty in the past. Including uncensored gore and racist, homophobic, and transphobic comments.

Sometimes, having a proship account isn't the right thing for a proshipper. I only have one because I've been in a super good place mentally for a while (partly because of RnM).

But that doesn't mean you can't find proship communities! Having a sideblog with asks and everything else turned off just for reblogging art and posts of your problematic ships is a good way to make small connections while avoiding the Antis. If you have a discord, proship servers are all over disboard!

Being in proship communities was *so* relieving for me the first time I did it. You don't have to walk on eggshells anymore.

My DMs are always open if you need someone to talk to (just keep in mind I am 20 lol), and I'd be happy to provide my discord too.

I hope you find people who support you, you deserve more than you probably know.

#gizmo asks #dms offer is up for anyone btw #rick and morty #rickorty #proship #proshipper #proshippers #proship safe

[problematiquehell-inactive]

Not to be that person but I love their little UWU DNIs don’t interact with me pro shippers. It’s basically a shining glistening sign that screams avoid me. Like all antis at this point unless they bury their head in the sand should know they have had more abusers and rapists out themselves and have done more evil shit that even Incels can attest to and still being like no your bad because fictional titties just tells me I’m dodging a metaphorical 30000000000 fucking bullets. If you can stay with the community where Deadass a bitch said it’s okay I raped someone because at least I’m better than a pro ship then keep your walls and stay far the fuck away from me. I don’t like abuse or rape apologism so yea thanks for letting me know where you sit.

Personally I think its perfectly valid to not want certain people to interact with you. I personally don’t MIND antis interacting with me, as long as they are civil but radfems are a complete no, you get me. Setting boundaries is great its when setting boundaries becomes less setting boundaries and more insult that i have problems. 

If this is about the post I made about which side i’m on, I personally would rather be a part of the group who did not send death threats so much to a 15 year old they posted a suicide note and logged off. If you have to fake your death to get away from harrassment that is horrible and something we need to be addressed. 

Speaking of Addressing bad things the callout culture of our community is just as bad as antis. calling out is not a bad thing of itself its when its not about protecting people but instead harrassment and fearmongering. 

The one i think of right now is tiny-space-robot. I do not support their beliefs at all but i also do not support making a post using a single screenshot and mostly fearmongering. i have already stated my beliefs on this topic and how i think they are definitely misinformed but i think they got the right idea however it is too nuanced its no longer grey its a mix of different colors that its turning brown and muddy. I do believe warning about those beliefs are okay but the amount of harrassment they got was horrible. of course i’m only an observer and do not know everything but i will always believe people can change. And change is through education. Education and support are the way to go to bring about change, support of the change you are making and support of allowing you to make mistakes. 

Its not hard to believe that if i told every single bad thing i ever did i would be ostricized by the pro-ship community. We aren’t a great family and not all of us are good. 

But thats why there is no such thing as a “community” as i think lot of people are thinking. no two people will have the same ideals or reasons for those ideals.And thats okay. A community is there to help you start finding smaller communities and friend groups. Its not hard to think that one can be in many communities. 

Proshippers are not perfect and i can’t comment to much on anti communites as I have not interacted with them head on for years. But despite these imperfections the core beliefs of proshipping i believe to. And its valid if you perfer the core beliefs of antis.

 My critic of antis is the way of going about expressing those beliefs. I don’t truly believe being an anti is bad. Theres more nuance there. In a way i could get behind antis core beliefs too. 

I would love to talk about the glorification of pedophilia, incest and abuse in fanworks and how certain things should probably be handled with care. However due to how our community is, which i’m going to be honest is thanks to antis, we are basically not allowed to critique any form of media without being called antis. 

Look sometimes bad people make good points, and that is why we have nuance. But like i said too much nuance and its no longer nuance, its harmful. I’d love to talk about how our community hides behind “nuance” to promote harmful ideals either unknowningly or knowingly. 

Yet I spent all this time critcing the proship commuinity and yet I think its better than anti comunities? Yep. Because ultimately I have made many great friends here and learned a lot about myself. I talk for hours about Shigadeku on a shigadeku discord and I talk about my follishness. I made friends and lost friends and i really do not think i would be where i am now if it was not for the proship community. Sure maybe some bad things happened becasue i was proship but so what. I could say that about a lot of things. The pro-ship community honestly aligns with my needs better than anything and i love it. And I think we, as a community, can one day grow to talk properly about the dangers of nuance, the one strike your out mentality and how antis are not the scum of the earth (some are, but not all)