Seeing reactions after this episode is actually slightly hysterical? It proves that this fandom can be so blind-sighted by characters relations, that they forget what show they are watching. Like, I have always been a self-proclaimed Roman-girl, because I find him compelling and extremely psychologically interesting, and like all of these characters, to a certain extent, I do empathise with him on the level of trauma that he went through. But why the fuck are people surprised that THIS is how he behaved in this episode is beyond me. Oh, suddenly Roman is dead to you because he behaved in the way that was very much consistent with who he is? That’s who all of these people are, like come on, what do we think we are watching here? You didn’t really think he will suddenly become a defender of democracy because it serves a greater good of the country? He was the one to fucking choose Mencken as a president, he cherry-picked him for Logan, because he knew that their views align, that Mencken will be a smart business decision. This whole thing is a transactional procedure - they needed to get someone who will be willing to serve their corrupt interests. Roman doesn’t see a problem in having fascist as a president, because he will never be touched by the consequences of having that kind of man in power. He is very much safe at the top of the mountain, and who the fuck cares what will happen to the peasants at the bottom of the chain? In this way, he imitates Logan the most, because in the end of the day, people are units to him, to all of them really, some of them are just more willing to admit this than others.
Also, like, “uuu, Roman was such a misogynist to Shiv this episode, he just didn’t listen to her at all”. Look, can we stop being delusional here for a second or is it some sort of selective memory situation? Roman is a misogynist. Kendall is a misogynist. Shiv, in fact, has a lot of internalised misogyny going on, and her being a woman never stopped her from pushing other women under the fucking bus, so let’s be real here for a second. And that is not to be said in defence of Roman, frankly nothing what I’m saying here is supposed to justify his behaviour in this or any other episode, but it’s more of like… reality check? I know that Roman’s self-destructive spiral and semi-decent behaviour at the beginning of this season might have clouded certain aspects of who he is, but please, go back to season 3 and count all the instances of him throwing misogynistic and, frequently incestuous jokes and innuendo, at Shiv? How many times he undermines her position on the basis of her being a woman? Or how Kendall, for that matter, uses similar arguments in 03x02? All the siblings use aspects of each other as weapons. Kendall is undermined because he is unstable, because he is a drug-addict, because he has a tendency of flying off on the cloud of mania, and crashing in the heap of depression. Shiv is crossed out because she is a woman, because she frankly has no real experience in the firm (which, although people might be super angry about that, because she is such a “girlboss” apparently, but this is a factual argument), because of her relationship to Tom and tendency to take several sides at the same time (with not much thought put into it). And Roman is frequently undermined because he is a freak and a pervert, because “there is something wrong with him”, because he is the weakest dog that is most easily manipulated, who crumples like a wet tissue if only to receive a bit of affection. They all weaponise their “weak” points against each other, because this dog-eats-dog mindset is focal to who they are as a family, to how they were brought up, to how Logan wanted them to be. So please, let’s not be surprised, when Roman suddenly uses misogyny as an argument against Shiv, because it’s not sudden at all, and it’s always been there.
I think what we have on our hands, is the same situation we had in 03x07 during Kendall’s birthday (and previous episode with Mencken), where some people are so outraged by Roman, and by his ability to shove the knife where it hurts, that they suddenly cross him out completely. Again, all these characters are bad people, there was never any doubt about that. They are compelling because of the complexities of their familial relationships, because of their childhood trauma and the consequences that this trauma has on them as adults. But they are still completely reprehensible as human beings, and I think some viewers forget about that and then get outraged when show about awful people features awful people. And I’m sure, either in next or final episode, something will happen and Roman will become sympathetic again, and he will regain his position as a “poor meow meow”, just as he did in the finale of season 3. Its always a fucking carousel with this character and people get sucked in and have their eye’s covered just to realise that nothing really changed, and nothing will change, because in this show people, at their core, remain the same.
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some (more) fear no mort thoughts 🧠💭
even though rick didn't go down with morty in the hole, he still stayed waiting for him. he didn't seem to panic or call anyone, because i think deep down rick accepted that morty is 10x braver than him and knew (or hoped) he'd come back, which morty did
rick wasn't there during morty's journey with closure, yes. but he was there at the end of it, waiting for morty. when it mattered.
the journey of true self reflection and changing oneself internally can be really fucking hard, this show has pushed that message many times. but it's harder trying to navigate life after starting/completing the process. it helps having someone, something, a support system to keep you grounded. getting outside reassurance/opinion helps. rick has to know that because he needs that too.
i like to think rick was lying when he said only one person can go into the fear hole. how would we know? he didn't know about it, the guy didn't mention it (as far as i can recall). he didn't go in because he was terrified and knew that because his fears are considerably more heavy and fucked up (compared to morty's) he would not have been able to handle it and he likely would've died. morty is way more resilient than rick and he knows that (at least now).
i wouldn't be surprised if a part of rick is jealous of that resilience and ability to bounce back while also still being forgiving, compassionate, and empathetic; all traits rick arguably doesn't have, or isn't good at expressing.
but he wants to be able to have those abilities and traits too. it's gonna be a slow process for rick but he already did the hardest part which is taking that first step towards changing. starting is always the hardest part (imo anyway)
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tom who can only conceptualize himself as desirable in the romantic sense with sexual intimacy simply being something that comes with that + greg who can only conceptualize himself as desirable in terms of being overtly, often physically useful, with approval and emotional attachment only coming after + expression of love is a two way street and you're unlikely to know how to say what's never been said to you
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On that ‘no MK reflections in the S4 special’ thing: What makes it even scarier is that there was the perfect opportunity for an MK reflection when he and Macaque go inside the scroll and end up in front of FFM’s waterfall.
But we don’t get one. Or, more specifically, we can’t get one. Because it’s been broken. By Wukong, specifically.
…I’m feeling very normal about this. Especially considering how the reflections relate to MK’s identity crisis AND the fact that MK hands the staff over to Wukong in the very same episode. Yep. So normal. - Unhinged Anon, continuing to hang out precariously on the precipice of madness.
Me personally? I'm always losing my mind that MK hands the staff back to Wukong, which is not helped by the fact that MK forms the Monkey Mech WITHOUT the staff fighting Azure an episode later ("Oh that's easy—we'll give her the ol' monkey mech finishing blow! MK always uses his staff to do that.'' Except when he doesn't lol).
And sometimes I also think about the fact that MK actually does jump through the waterfall (whether or not he became 'king of the monkeys' is up for debate)—only MK does it the opposite way in 4x02:
The ways in which MK mirrors Wukong both torments and perplexes me.
Also:
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