#pidgins and creoles

[linguisticalities]

#pidgins and creoles

[kemetic-dreams]

The language emerged from contact between French settlers and enslaved Africans during the Atlantic slave trade in the French colony of Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) in the 17th and 18th centuries. 

Although its vocabulary largely derives from 18th-century French, its grammar is that of a West African Volta-Congo language branch, particularly the Fongbe and Igbo languages. It also has influences from Spanish, English, Portuguese, Taino, and other West African languages. 

It is not mutually intelligible with standard French, and has its own distinctive grammar. Haitians are the largest community in the world speaking a modern creole language, according to some sources. 

However, this is disputable, as Nigerian Pidgin, an English-based Creole language, is attested by some sources to have a larger number of speakers than that of Haitian Creole and other French-based Creole languages, particularly if non-native speakers are included.

#creole #haitian creole #nigerian pidgin #creole language #taino #spanish #english #african languages #congo #miami #zoe pound #west african #atlantic slave trade #french #african #afrakan #kemetic dreams #africans #brown skin #brownskin #afrakans #african culture

[ranahan]

Just had to share this turn of phrase with the rest of the linguistics tumblr.

In: John Holm (2004), An introduction to pidgins and creoles. Cambridge University Press.

#linguistics #languages #creole language #pidgin language #langblr #not star wars

[kittycowboy]

Jamaican patois my beloved U are suxh a helpful referwnce

#ITS SUCH AN INTERRSTING LANGUAGE TOO the number of other languahe influences is crazy #i wld LOVEEE to know more abt hlhow the grammer and vocab is effected bt them #it more or less uses english as a base #but words like me/my/I/etc. are all simplified to “mi” (I THINK) rather than having multiple versions #would be interested if thats how west african languages work or if thats jusy a product of it being a creole #the participles are so interesting too #the function to cobjugate verbs but work entirly differently than that of english #i wonder again if thats an infkuence of west african languages #then there are paticiples like “fi” which have a TON of different uses where english ones tend to only have one #it expresses posession or obligation. it can be used as “for” in some cases. so cool #I mentioned this with “mi” but often the pronouns dont have much change between like. position #i forgot the word. I mean like “He” and “Him” are the same word (im) #“they” “them” and “their” are all the same too (dem) #theres also a plural you which I always enjoy #it has a lot of notabke similarities to spanish esp. jn the different “to be” verbs #which is cool bcs I wld usually thnk it wld be omitted from a pidgin and creole #it does have spanisha and portuguese jnfkuence but considering its mainly english and west african languages it makes me wonder if #WA languages also have that equative abd locative “to be” verb

[spearheadrampancy]

i think if you have to be reminded that mocking a certain accent (with the "humour" generally being that said accent indicates poorness, lack of education, or something racist) then perhaps you are not as progressive as you claim to be. just a thought,

#srs09:m:haix #hi yes this post is first and foremost about mocking various british accents #every now and again i like to get pissed off about the rampant classism shown by white americans. because it always is white americans. #consider stopping for a moment to unravel why you think 'innit' and 'chewsday' are funny to you. #perhaps 'funny because uncivilised'? 'funny because different'? i think we have words to describe those thoughts. #i cant speak for the racism aspect because im white myself but like. theres an element of that too. #lots of white americans reblogging posts talking about appropriation of AAVE. then using words from MLE or british english creoles/pidgins #i havent seen british POC talk about that being an issue. so maybe it isnt. but it happens and i think its worth noting #mocking the poor and uneducated NOW does not undo the transgressions of colonialists

[linguisticsnerd]

I asked Google Bard to give me a specific situation in which a creole betwen Chinese, Korean, and English might form. So far, so good:

BUT THEN

LIES

Chinook Jargon is a creole formed mainly between the Chinook language and French, with some words from English and various indigenous languages of the Pacific Northwest

Tok Pisin is a creole formed between various Melanesian languages, English, German, Malay, and Portuguese

Neither of these have significant Chinese influences so ???

#fake news #creoles #pidgins #google bard

[er-cryptid]

Patreon

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[choupimaki]

Early season 2 of DOCTOR STONE SPOILERS

I've only seen the beginning of S2 so please no spoil in the notes

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So the village people.

They're Senkuu's dad's children yeah ? Well grand [...] grand children.

So first off

You guys are astronauts ! And the dad was a TEACHER ! WHY CANT THE CHILDREN WRITE

LIKE PLEASE

3 yo is old enough to show an interest in writing

Now you've made writing lost knowledge, well done.

I GET that the priority is surviving but it's a lot easier to remember information (ESPECIALLY 100 STORIES) if you can write them down

And the dude would clearly have been able to tear off some bark and carve it

Now the thing is, his direct children (and the other astronauts') probably already speak a weird ass English-Japanese with a bit of Russian sprinkled in pidgin/creole

Maybe that's why he didn't feel like finding new signs for phonemes he doesn't know

Cos there isn't the L from "lollipop" in Japanese nor the very common Russian ы in any of the other 2 languages

But ? That's ok ? I mean, Senkuu's dad doesn't speak that weird creole, only Japanese and English

Although not ideal he can teach them roman letters, even just phonetically (eg the letter i would always be "ee" and never "ay")

And on the subject of the language these children are speaking

There HAS to be stuff they simply didn't have words for, and language HAS to have evolved by the time Senkuu meets the village

How tf do they understand each other ?

To them Senkuu is speaking a weird super old form of their language with a strange accent

To Senkuu they're using words and phonemes he's not used to

Ofc Senkuu speaks Japanese and English, that seems obvious to his character

But I'm not sure of how well he speaks Russian

Adding onto that

Tf does the language look like ???

English, Russian and Japanese are COMPLETELY different from a grammar standpoint

English has subject-verb-object composition, Japanese has subject-object-verb, and Russian has huh .... Cases

Arguably so does English with who/wom but that's besides the point

I don't know much about Russian, I just started learning it so I'm not well versed in it but I've been studying English for 12 years and Japanese on and off for 7 years

Even dumb stuff like talking about the past in a simple way... How would they do it ? English has all these exceptions like "be, was/were, been", and simple past in Japanese is just ます to ました

A mix of these three, evolving for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, would be hardly possible to comprehend even for someone initially fluent in all 3

And even if I can suspend my disbelief to accept that Senkuu speaks all 3 and is smart enough to understand how these might've evolved and communicate with the village ... I can't believe it for other characters.

So far I haven't seen Taijuu and the other girl interacting with the village so I'm ok with it, but the mentalist guy ? Nah ain't no way bro

#overthinking #doctor stone #dr stone #season 2 #spoilers !! #senkuu #Senkuu's dad #ishigami village #ishigami senkuu #linguistics #english #russian #japanese #pidgin #creole

[incorrect-jojolands-quotes]

How many of the Sussy smugglers speak olelo hawai’i ?

paco says:

Does aloha count or SMTH? I only know Espanol and English. You aint catching me sound like a Gringo.

jodio says:

cap paco you barely got a C- in spanish 1 bc you don't even know what car is. im not fluent but a few peeps taught me a word or two im more of a pidgin guy shoot, brah.

dragona says:

i've picked up a few phrases growing up but i'm not fluent. meryl mei actually knows a lot of olelo hawai’i and she's been teaching me quite some phrases over the years 😊. fun fact: meryl mei used to participate in merrie monarch when she was younger.

usagi says:

hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo iki (ʘ‿ʘ✿) he ✨ hapa✨ maoli au. ahaha ʻaʻole wau maikaʻi loa 😅😅😅😅 my fluency is BAD but i try my best~

#the jojolands #jjba #jjba part 9 #jojo part 9 #jojos bizarre adventure #jojolands #jjba jojolands #jodio joestar #anon ask #ask me anything #ask jodio joestar #ask dragona joestar #ask paco laburantes #ask usagi alohaoe #this was all google translate so i'm using that to excuse usagi's olelo hawaiian to not be as great #paco fails at spanish class bc teachers pull shit like “es un boligrafo” and paco says “no es una lapicera” #i'm assuming paco is argentinian because his last name is rioplatense and that's mostly spoken in either argentina or uraguay #i can see jodio knowing how to speak hawaiian creole/pidgin really well #dragona joestar #paco laburantes #usagi alohaoe

[meistoshi]

i feel like not enough alolan character writers use the added level of fucking w tourists that is, in analogue to hawai'i, alolal pidgin. a widely natively spoken creole language that doesn't have a good mutual intelligibility to standard pokénglish. often utilized mixing pidgin & pokénglish, with younger people leaning to light pidgin & older leaning to heavy pidgin. also often seen in local advertising. local alolans vc not alolan not unovan but a secret third thing :)

#i had a lil language rabbithole while jotting down languages satoshi knows n i think it's rlly cool that hawai'i has its own creole #tacks on here that satoshi has learned to Understand majority of alolan pidgin but he's in that like #dog understanding stage of knowing the language where he can do everything but Reply in the language #understands it. can read it. tongue gets twisted when he tries speaking full sentences at regular speed. #hes learning 👍 #ooc. pkmn is autistic culture.

[rubixpsyche]

can yall imagine if this creates a Minecraft pidgin language

#usmp #mcyt #dreamblr #dreamwastaken #the cube clicks #TO BE CLEAR THIS IS /POS #I LOVE PIDGIN/CREOLE LANGUAGES I HOPE ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE A UNIVERSAL CREOLE LANGUAGE #to be additionally clear i mean a minecraft-originated pidgin language #dont tell me stupid video game wont have that sort of effect I have to witness the chess pandemic rn i can believe it

[aewrie]

the only thing stopping me from developing bug conlang phonetics rn is grimm's home language aka the troupe's language being a pidgin/creole esq mishmash with a stupid amount of loanwords and i'm not dealing with that

#it's mostly two very similar languages smooshed together with some little things added later #technically a pidgin bc it's no one's native language but it's had centuries to develop so considering that more like a creole #you could argue that each new generation of grimm is a native speaker but it's really the same guy so. no. not his native language either #average hallownestian would be able to understand parts of it but then parts would be incomprehensible #i could do a different hypothetical hk language but i'm not that interested/not that deep in this hole. yet #a fire sets alight #hk #this can go into the series tag bc Lore #yourebabblingjulle #i also looked at my most noteworthy beginnings of a conlang for headworld first time in years i'm blaming ashe for this #i'm going to dig up certain notebooks the script i made is nice and i want to look at it again #but am i enough of a masochist to deal with fictional grammar atm. to be seen

[geoazie]

Aesthetic of the languages on earth : Nigerian Pidgin

Nigerian Pidgin is an English Creole language spoken by 120.7 million people over Nigeria. It is not an official language anywhere, but is used as a lingua franca in Nigeria.

#nigerian pidgin #aesthetic #languages #language #moodboard #africa #english creole #west africa #geography #nigeria

[tokruta]

*working on my Outer Rim Slave language* Conlanging is fun :)

*trying to create a good lexicon* Conlanging is not fun :(

#i mean it’s fun but like…very very hard for me #help #star wars #conlanging #my fanfic writing #and that’s not going into Tatooine having quite a few dialects 💀 #look the lang first developed as a pidgin #then it became a creole #but it’s spread is haphazard af and it’s technically a language family rather than a single language #with more than a few dialects located all over the outer rim #like i said tatooine has like 4 of them alone and 1 in particular is very different from the rest #the language family has had over 5000 years to develop and spread ofc there are many varieties over the span of 1000s of light years #or millions. idk how large the outer rim is 🤷‍♀️ #there is also no official written language #there are a few unofficial ones created by individuals (both free(d) and enslaved) #that caught on in local circles of influence #but nothing wide spread #with no standard of script spelling punctuation etc #but it’s preferred this way. it is after all a secret language #meant to only be shared with family and found family (and other speakers)

[kittycowboy]

On my hands and knees no1 I talk to knows the difference between a pidgin and a creole its so easy its so easy stop being so sillypilled please

#^ a pidgin is a means of communication beyween two groups who dont speak the same language #Often very limited in phrases words and grammer it only combines simple words and phrases that can be used #Often times created beyween traders of different nations to understand eachother without having to learn the other language #WHEREAS a creole is a Language with Native Speakers that is created when a people are born into an area where ppl speak a pidgin and thus #take the base of that and turn it into a language with gramatical rules and larger vocabularies

[kemetic-dreams]

Other scholars, such as Salikoko Mufwene, argue that pidgins and creoles arise independently under different circumstances, and that a pidgin need not always precede a creole nor a creole evolve from a pidgin. Pidgins, according to Mufwene, emerged in trade colonies among "users who preserved their native vernaculars for their day-to-day interactions".

Creoles, meanwhile, developed in settlement colonies in which speakers of a European language, often indentured servants whose language would be far from the standard in the first place, interacted extensively with non-European slaves, absorbing certain words and features from the slaves' non-European native languages, resulting in a heavily basilectalized version of the original language.

These servants and slaves would come to use the creole as an everyday vernacular, rather than merely in situations in which contact with a speaker of the superstrate was necessary

#african #afrakan #kemetic dreams #africans #afrakans #brown skin #brownskin #african culture #european languages #creole #creole languages #mufwene #salikoko mufwene #basilectalized #european slaves #indentured slaves #indentured servitude #slaves #pidigin #pidgin