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Honestly, I’d be fine if Chloe had a damnation arc, if only it was written well

if only the show didn’t go out of its way to make sure to stomp on every good deed she’s done

if only it didn’t try to say that every good deed she’s done was completely out of self interest, even when that’s not supported by the earlier seasons of the show

if only it didn’t completely erase the reasons as to why she acts the way she does

if only it didn’t make her a completely one-note, one dimensional villain

if only it didn’t pretend that she’s just an inherently evil being and not, you know, a human, a high schooler with issues

if only it would actually acknowledge the adults who influence and manipulate her to act like that

if only it wouldn’t act like she’s worse than the adults around her

if only it wouldn’t act like the people who do the same actions as her were better just because

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Felix v Chloe

Lemme just say, I hate the way Felix is treated in the show and the fandom compared to Chloe

Somehow, someway, the characters can forgive Felix and even have him on the team at the end (?????), and all of his actions are completely absolved due to his backstory: “Oh he was just doing all that for his survival! He was just an awkward quirky guy with no social cues all along!”

But Chloe’s backstory even being brought up for an explanation is immediately shut down, it doesn’t excuse a single thing she’s done! Hell, it doesn’t even explain why she’s the way she is because Mylene has an absent mother and she turned out fine! Doesn’t matter that Mylene had a father that actually taught her how to act and didn’t just buy her love with constant gifts and abuses of power, there’s just no excuse!

Both act in their own self interest, turning to the villain to get something they want, but nonono, Felix, without apologizing once mind you, is redeemed and forgiven while Chloe gets sent off to NY with her mother! Everyone wins!

Not to mention Felix did arguably worse than Chloe

Felix was the one who actively made Hawkmoth more powerful by giving him the miraculous (not to mention giving HM the ring) while with Chloe, Hawkmoth got the miraculous on his own and she was just along for the ride basically. Then Felix came back and snapped away everyone. Chloe sent everyone away when she was akumatized as well, but at least we could see where they went and there wasn’t any confusion as to whether they got snapped to some pocket dimension or straight up disappeared. Oh, and she was akumatized by Gabriel who was literally manipulating her along with Tomoe and Lila at the time??

I feel like any arguments for Felix about worrying for his or Adrien’s safety, any excuses, should’ve been thrown out the window in the season 4 finale. After that point he had full control over himself and gave up Adrien’s free will, and he still came back to snap everyone away! Now, I would absolutely be fine with this (cept the Adrien part) I mean trauma with humans isn’t going to go away just like that even when there’s no immediate risk anymore (unless you get a girlfriend apparently). My issue with that is how this same sentiment isn’t given to Chloe whatsoever, her lash outs aren’t given any thought beyond “oh she’s evil for the sake of it”, ignoring how the trauma of her mother leaving her and treating her like garbage would still affect her, and it drives me up the wall

Not to mention the show actively tries to pretend that the adults surrounding Chloe’s life don’t have any influence on her whatsoever, even though they obviously do and Tomoe and Gabriel literally set her up as a scapegoat in this season. Somehow her father isn’t responsible whatsoever for the way she was raised, her mother leaving apparently didn’t even affect her behavior because we’re genuinely supposed to believe this teenager is just an evil person. Somehow the storyline of her being set up as a scapegoat by two grown ass adults is literally ignored by the narrative including some of the fans

Oh but Felix gets all the sympathy regardless of what he did

Right.

I wouldn’t hate Felix or his character direction so much if it wasn’t a direct slap to the face for Chloe, not to mention giving the Chloe stans fuel! I mean, it literally proved their point that Chloe deserved a redemption because full grown adults who’ve done worse and a guy who’s done nearly the same shit as her are forgiven and “redeemed”, ridiculous (I say that a lot huh)

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You know, since I highly doubt we're gonna get any depth about Zoe or her relationship with her biological dad, I'm gonna assume that this would be Chloe's reaction if she ever meant Mr. Lee:

(BTW, you're free to use this image for a future review if we ever do get any episode about Mr. Lee.)

I’ll say this again. English dub. Ted McGinley. CAST HIM AS ZOE’S DAD ALREADY. If Batman: Brave and the Bold can make jokes about his infamy in TV history, I’m pretty sure you can too.

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I haven’t posted much about it on this blog because I have so few followers here compared to main and other side blogs, but genuinely, if you are a fan of Avatar, you need to be doing everything you can to support and liberate palestine and end this genocide. ATLA is about a fucking genocide and the devastating impacts of colonialism and a brutal military occupation. Well, we’re witnessing a genocide and the devastating impacts of colonialism and a brutal military occupation right now. If you are a fan of ATLA or LOK you fucking need to be talking about palestine and Palestinian liberation. You need to be calling your elected officials, going to protests, talking to people in real life, resharing and uplifting Palestinian voices, boycotting Israeli products, reading and educating yourself on what’s going on and the history behind it, and doing everything you can to stop this genocide.

We all need to be talking about palestine. Silence and “neutrality” and inaction is complicity.

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

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The Fandom from Twitter scares me

Okay a really hate how Chloe being “racist” is enough for this people to say she is beyond redemption

Like how???

Yeah, be racist is a bad thing obviously but for character bad traits standards this is not the worst crime

At worst she is just ignorant

A lot of bully characters and even characters of her age the have done even worst than her were redeemed, if they can, so she

Also is hypocrite to say her age and trauma doesn’t excuse her but then you excuse Marinette and even Felix for their actions

And I would say it, I think Felix is even worst than Chloe

I’m sorry what???

Look me in the eyes and tell me, the Chloe from season 1 is the same as the 4 and 5 season

Like how???

She was a mean girl but not evil, just mean

And no, the writers didn’t fix her, Chloe suffered flanderization, her characterizations got over the place and acts way to out of character

How can this people say she doesn’t deserve a redemption when the show literally redeems an terrorist, a genocidal, a corrupt mayor and awful parents

If they can be redeem then a school bully also can

And if you still think just because a child is mean they are beyond redemption

Please, don’t have kids 💀

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The Fandom from Twitter scares me

Okay a really hate how Chloe being “racist” is enough for this people to say she is beyond redemption

Like how???

Yeah, be racist is a bad thing obviously but for character bad traits standards this is not the worst crime

At worst she is just ignorant

A lot of bully characters and even characters of her age the have done even worst than her were redeemed, if they can, so she

Also is hypocrite to say her age and trauma doesn’t excuse her but then you excuse Marinette and even Felix for their actions

And I would say it, I think Felix is even worst than Chloe

I’m sorry what???

Look me in the eyes and tell me, the Chloe from season 1 is the same as the 4 and 5 season

Like how???

She was a mean girl but not evil, just mean

And no, the writers didn’t fix her, Chloe suffered flanderization, her characterizations got over the place and acts way to out of character

How can this people say she doesn’t deserve a redemption when the show literally redeems an terrorist, a genocidal, a corrupt mayor and awful parents

If they can be redeem then a school bully also can

And if you still think just because a child is mean they are beyond redemption

Please, don’t have kids 💀

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i dont think yall get how obsessed i am with jason and heras relationship like. jasons own mother and father didnt care for him but he won over the favor of his fathers WIFE who usually hates all of his bastard children ??? by just bein g a guy. she CRIED OVER HIS DEATH. the goddess of marriage cried over the death of her husband's child that was a result of him cheating on her AGAIN. and she was attached to him in ways gods usually arent, like even poseidon and percy. hephaestus and leo. the only people who come close are toa apollo and his kids. she genuinely loved jason like a son, and jason had never had that sort of parental love except from a goddess that usually hates kids like him

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Everybody Hates Lila (And Why It’s Concerning Sometimes)

Lila Rossi is not a stranger in the Miraculous fandom. In fact I’d argue she’s more infamous than Gabriel in some cases. She’s despised by nearly everyone and while some reasons are more justifiable than others, she’s all around not a good person and a mid at best character.

But here’s my deal with it. The fandom hates this girl to I’d like to say an….unhealthy degree. Like the amount of salt this character gets is unmatched. And I feel like the causation of all of this salt doesn’t really live up to the response.

Lila is a liar who causes characters to act out of character very often. And not only that but she also is Marinette’s main rival now and is a jerk to her. She’s underutilized and her lies aren’t that convincing and yet the story wants to convince us she’s more important than she really is pre butterfly miraculous.

This is Lila’s character summed up. At the most I’d expect is frustration mixed in with mild dislike. Reasonable but not over the top. Instead though, I see SEVERAL people make so many salt fics and talk so much shit about her that I just have to sit down and say….y’all need to chill. You all seriously need to chill.

The fandom talks about this character like she’s the spawn of Satan, something we’ve been criticizing Astruc for doing with Chloe, all because she doesn’t have as many redeeming traits as her. Did we forget that they’re BOTH kids? Both of them still have room to improve on themselves.

And I’ll admit it, I was one of those people who kept on saying “Why demonize Chloe when we have Lila” but thinking on it now, neither of them deserves to have that fate. If we REALLY need a character to do the whole “people don’t change” thing, why not Gabriel?

It’s so much better to have this lesson taught to adults to not be like Gabriel, to accept change and loss and to be better. To teach how heavy the impact of a lost love can be and how old age isn’t an excuse to be “stuck in your ways”.

Plus the lesson works better for someone who’s older than for teenagers who’s literally at the stage of their lives where change is everything. And I’m not saying Lila needs to be redeemed or she isn’t allowed to be a villain. What I’m saying is that the over salting on her character, a character that can be easily fixed and patched up, is kinda dumb and kinda annoying to see…especially when some people do like Lila.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, don’t think I’ve forgotten what happened years ago with that one fan that claimed that they loved Lila. That’s what happens when you take salting on a character WAY too far. And I can say that it’s only gotten a little better.

I just don’t understand why people can’t spend their energy talking about how to make a character better instead of salting on them 24/7 and this goes for all of the characters in ML.

I’m gonna be in the minority when I say this but Lila doesn’t deserve to be salted in as much as she does. She deserves reevaluation and a true villain arc. The constant bashing and insulting her at any chance ain’t it.

But you wanna know the thing that frustrates me the most about the Lila salt? How she started getting salted on in the first place. Aka, her being another barrier to Adrienette.

If y’all don’t know already, I don’t like the lovesquare and even back then I didn’t like it. And when I started seeing people hate Lila for this reason, I got very annoyed. It’s the same reason as to why people hated Kagami and it’s a stupid reason (imo). At least the other reasons why she’s hated had some foundation and sense.

TLDR: Lila is a mess but she’s not a mess that’s beyond repair but the constant salting on her and her character isn’t going to do anything. (If you really wanna salt on someone, salt on the writers for making her writing so subpar)

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Everybody Hates Lila (And Why It’s Concerning Sometimes)

Lila Rossi is not a stranger in the Miraculous fandom. In fact I’d argue she’s more infamous than Gabriel in some cases. She’s despised by nearly everyone and while some reasons are more justifiable than others, she’s all around not a good person and a mid at best character.

But here’s my deal with it. The fandom hates this girl to I’d like to say an….unhealthy degree. Like the amount of salt this character gets is unmatched. And I feel like the causation of all of this salt doesn’t really live up to the response.

Lila is a liar who causes characters to act out of character very often. And not only that but she also is Marinette’s main rival now and is a jerk to her. She’s underutilized and her lies aren’t that convincing and yet the story wants to convince us she’s more important than she really is pre butterfly miraculous.

This is Lila’s character summed up. At the most I’d expect is frustration mixed in with mild dislike. Reasonable but not over the top. Instead though, I see SEVERAL people make so many salt fics and talk so much shit about her that I just have to sit down and say….y’all need to chill. You all seriously need to chill.

The fandom talks about this character like she’s the spawn of Satan, something we’ve been criticizing Astruc for doing with Chloe, all because she doesn’t have as many redeeming traits as her. Did we forget that they’re BOTH kids? Both of them still have room to improve on themselves.

And I’ll admit it, I was one of those people who kept on saying “Why demonize Chloe when we have Lila” but thinking on it now, neither of them deserves to have that fate. If we REALLY need a character to do the whole “people don’t change” thing, why not Gabriel?

It’s so much better to have this lesson taught to adults to not be like Gabriel, to accept change and loss and to be better. To teach how heavy the impact of a lost love can be and how old age isn’t an excuse to be “stuck in your ways”.

Plus the lesson works better for someone who’s older than for teenagers who’s literally at the stage of their lives where change is everything. And I’m not saying Lila needs to be redeemed or she isn’t allowed to be a villain. What I’m saying is that the over salting on her character, a character that can be easily fixed and patched up, is kinda dumb and kinda annoying to see…especially when some people do like Lila.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, don’t think I’ve forgotten what happened years ago with that one fan that claimed that they loved Lila. That’s what happens when you take salting on a character WAY too far. And I can say that it’s only gotten a little better.

I just don’t understand why people can’t spend their energy talking about how to make a character better instead of salting on them 24/7 and this goes for all of the characters in ML.

I’m gonna be in the minority when I say this but Lila doesn’t deserve to be salted in as much as she does. She deserves reevaluation and a true villain arc. The constant bashing and insulting her at any chance ain’t it.

But you wanna know the thing that frustrates me the most about the Lila salt? How she started getting salted on in the first place. Aka, her being another barrier to Adrienette.

If y’all don’t know already, I don’t like the lovesquare and even back then I didn’t like it. And when I started seeing people hate Lila for this reason, I got very annoyed. It’s the same reason as to why people hated Kagami and it’s a stupid reason (imo). At least the other reasons why she’s hated had some foundation and sense.

TLDR: Lila is a mess but she’s not a mess that’s beyond repair but the constant salting on her and her character isn’t going to do anything. (If you really wanna salt on someone, salt on the writers for making her writing so subpar)

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Whenever I talk to Chloe Anti's, I find it funny when they say they don't like the ship Lukloe because Chloe bullied Luka's sister but then some of the same Chloe Antis turn around and Stan Feligami despite Felix SA'ing Kagami's best friend and snapped her mother out of existence. Not defending what Chloe has done to Juleka and the rest of the class but if you're holding Chloe accountable for what she's done then hold Felix to a similar standard as well. Nothing against Felix though and he does deserve better writing but how he gets praised for the same thing Chloe gets slandered for annoys me a lot.

The whole Chloe thing exposes the hypocricy in plenty of people, fans and writers alike. Yeah anon, I also don't even hate Felix. I just can't ignore the leaps of logic that needs to happen to make whatever his thing is work with Chloe's sitch standing as a huge middle finger to the tropes that his side of the story ran on. It doesn't help that Chloe salt also had more screen time than Felix.

At this point, I feel kinda sorry Felix. His whole schtick could've worked a little bit better if only people would stop harping on and on about the bad Chloe has done while he actually did just as bad if not worse. His S5 arc only works with a heapful of double standards... and this is why he gets dragged a lot. This is a show that says Chloe's sob story shouldn't be used as an excuse yet that's exactly how he got redeemed. There's also how Chloe damnation had more episodes focusing on it thay Felix's redemption, which honestly deserved more. If Chloe set the bar to what's iredeemable, Felix, in a setting that actually tries to be fair, would have to work a hell of a lot harder than just telling Marinette his sob story to get on her good side. Or had Chloe been redeemed, Chloe redemption would've encouraged the whole compassion even for worst people can make a difference, actually helping Felix's already shoddy redemption by reinforcing the themes it uses as a crutch.

Because bruh, after Chloe's failed redemption, every instance of Marinette giving worse people a chance at redemption makes her look like a major dum dum. Unpopular opinion: Its a bigger idiot ball than the class believing everything Lila says. At least the class had more suspension of disbelief going for them with how fantastical everyone's lives are. But Marinette? Just why? Plot is bending her like a pretzel for Felix redemption to work.

But anyway, yeah. The huge pile of Chloe salt stinks up Felix's arc. He is far better off without it. This is why I keep saying I'd trade the Chloe salt episodes for more Felix.

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Do you MLB will ever explore the topic of Generational trauma especially since abuse experience is a big part of the story ? We know Gabriel treated Adrien awfully but we know nothing about Gabriel's youth? What happened in his life that caused him to be like this? (Maybe he had a completely normal life with good parents but still turned out to be an asshole or maybe Gabriel had a similar childhood to his son ?) They could also explore this Dynamic with Colt and Felix and Tomoe and Kagami with Felix and Kagami being possible cycle breakers of their family trauma. We don't know what happened in Tomoe's or Colt's life that caused them to be awful people so exploring generational trauma could freshen up the story. NOT justifying the abuse Gabriel, Tomoe, and Colt inflicted on their children (all three of the senti-trio deserve better) but generational trauma could be a possible tool to flesh out Adrien, Felix and Kagami's characters. They don't have to be like their parents and lead happy lives. What do you think of this storyline?

I think this would be a great topic to explore, and I do think it needs to be talked about more. But considering how ML handles abuse, which is to say that it denies that the abusers are abusive, I'm not sure it's the best show to tackle something like generational trauma.

Thank you for your ask!

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Unpopular opinion - Felix's nasty behaviour shouldn't solely be blamed on Colt. Felix is responsible for his behaviour as well and we should hold Amelie accountable too. Don't get me wrong, Colt is an asshole who abused Felix which explains his awful actions and explains certain aspects of Felix's Psychology but doesn't excuse any of it. Most of Felix's crimes happened AFTER Colt died. He never told Felix to steal the miraculous off of LB or to get rid of all humans in Paris in Emotion, that was all Felix's Choice. Yes the abuse he inflicted on him shaped Felix into the person he is which caused him to make horrible decisions but not all the blame should go on him for how Felix turned out. Amelie is also responsible for Felix's behaviour as she knew what Felix did in Emotion and didn't try to educate him or put him in therapy. Like aren't the Fathom billionaires? Like I get that she loves her son and only gives him extra love to make up for all the love he didn't receive from his father but she should try to discipline her son when he does something wrong. It's annoying how some toxic MLB fans blame everything Felix has done on his father without ever holding Felix or Amelie accountable. Both of his parents (mainly Colt) are to blame for his behaviour as well as Felix himself. I still think Amelie is somewhat of a good person who cares for her son even if she isn't the best parent and I do think Felix deserves better. Do you blame Amelie as well as Colt for Felix's attitude?

Yup. Pretty much this. As the show loves to preach about how Chloe can't use being neglected and verbally abused as an excuse for her bullying, it sure loves to give excuses for everyone else. Felix has the opposite writing issues as Chloe wherein the show emphasizes his victimhood over the harm he's caused when in actuality, both are true and one shouldn't cancel out the other. I hate how people write them off as only one or the other, ignoring an entire side to them for daring to have complexity.

As for Amelie, I think she's too much of an enabler. It doesn't constitute good parenting but I can imagine its to compensate for Colt's abusiveness. Of all the rich parents, she's easily the best.

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