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ruibaozha · 3 months
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There isn’t evidence to support Lego being supportive of Israel or Palestine in light of the ongoing genocide, and instead chooses not to make statements. View this neutrality however you like, but this silence feels like blind neutrality and thus supportive of Israel by proxy.
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ruibaozha · 3 months
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Doing a post compiling the dragon bound stake and the hooks of wu
First image is more accurate to what Muzha's hooks of wu looks like:
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Jinzha's dragon bound stake! It's a weapon given to him by his shifu and was also used to subdue Nezha when he tried to kill their dad. Not sure if this is the original or a design of it tho
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All of these can be found on the baike article links I reblogged so if you want to know more you can find them here or on @ruibaozha
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ruibaozha · 3 months
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A compilation of multiple characters from Chinese opera
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ruibaozha · 3 months
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On Finding Sun Wukong Attractive, And Why You Should Not Feel Shame if You Do
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This is adapted from an ask, but I feel this is generalized knowledge that should be shared; bearing in mind Sun Wukong is a variety of non-human entities and daily qualifies as a yaoguai. But what is that?
Yaoguai is a very broad term to describe non-human entities in Chinese mythology and folklore, they themselves having four primary types whom are demon like or ghost like, or a non-human creature who has specific abilities. There is not always a negative connotation to be attached depending on which yaoguai is being discussed. For our dear Sun Wukong, the negative connotation drops completely.
Historically, numerous times in Chinese mythology and folklore, yaoguai have often disguised themselves as humans or otherwise to seduce humans. Zhu Bajie himself is “guilty” of this. Within JTTW a Lynx Demon is similarly “guilty” of this. What then of the white snake demon within the legend of The White Snake or the fox demoness Su Daji in FSYY?
Moreover, monkey demons within the Zaju portion of Chinese Opera are known sexual deviants, which is why Sun Wukong is or can be very perverted in these operas. Of course this isn’t the only image of Sun Wukong but it’s worth noting within the performing arts China has developed.
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ruibaozha · 3 months
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Bad FSYY English translation
The four-volume Library of Chinese Classics bilingual edition of Creation/Investiture of the Gods (Fengshen yanyi, c. 1620) published in 2000 is the only full-length translation of the story available in English. I've had a PDF of the entire set archived on my external blog since May of 2020. It is serviceable for the general reader, but it is not great for hobbyist researchers like myself.
I'd like to provide an example showing how it is not very accurate and/or comprehensive. Chapter 12 describes how young Nezha inadvertently causes havoc in the underwater realm when washing himself in a river with a powerful magic sash. This eventually leads to Li Gen (李艮), a yaksha water-spirit soldier, to attack him with an ax. Gu Zhizhong's (2000) translation reads:
Nezha, naked and empty-handed, dodged the vicious blow, raised his Universal Ring and struck Li Gen on the head. How could the Yaksha withstand the magic weapon from Fairy Primordial! His skull broke open and he fell dead on the river bank (Gu, 2000, vol. 1, p. 239).
However, the full Chinese reads:
Standing there naked, Nezha dodged the advancing warrior's attack and upraised the Universal Ring in his right hand. This treasure was originally bestowed by the Jade Emptiness Palace of Mt. Kunlun to the Perfected Man of the Grand Monad to secure the items of his Golden Light Cave. How could the yaksha withstand the magic weapon as it struck downward on his head? His brains exploded from the blow, and he fell dead on the shore. 哪吒正赤身站立,見夜叉來得勇猛,將身躲過,把右手套的乾坤圈望空中一舉。此寶原係崑崙山玉虛宮所賜太乙真人鎮金光洞之物,夜叉那裏經得起,那寶打將下來,正落在夜叉頭上,只打的腦漿迸流,即死於岸上。 (I don't consider myself a translator, so please forgive any errors.)
You can see that quite a bit of information was left out. This happens throughout the entire novel. This makes me angrier the more that I think about. Why even bother to translate something if you are only going to paraphrase or even skip over passages? It seems like a pointless enterprise.
Source:
Gu, Z. (2000). Creation of the Gods (Vols. 1-4). Beijing: New World Press.
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ruibaozha · 3 months
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A Note on Recent Controversy: The Gender of Nezha
This argument isn’t particularly new to me, but seeing as it isn’t going away and seems bound to repeat itself, this is my own argument on those who assign Nezha to be a transfem lesbian for completely arbitrary reasons. I do discuss briefly the existence of female Nezha’s within other franchises. Please skip this post if this doesn’t interest you.
As this is a point of drama on Twitter at the moment, Nezha is not a girl and is never stated to be one within the core of his known mythology. Moreover, I need to clarify this is specifically about LMK Nezha as this sort of “drama” doesn’t seem to exist outside of how LMK portrays him.
Arguably the only thing people genuinely cling to in the case of LMK Nezha is his long hair, pink armor and the lotus flower skirt. There is no problem if this is a personal headcanon while being fully aware that it isn’t true, but many have decided to push this as factual — similarly to what people repeat Nezha’s age to be. The kind of disgusting vitriolic behavior that is shown by other people should be noted and avoided.
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Do such feminine features like the lotus skirt immediately mean that these Nezha’s are women? Should we dismiss that within Confucian standards the cutting of one’s hair is a great disrespect to your body but also the parents that gave it to you? Is it a desired normalcy to make assumptions over the gender identity of a god? If you so badly want a female Nezha, such a thing already exists within other franchises.
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This has had me reconsider the primary motivation here for fans to boldly parade this misinformation around, but also the degree of disrespect involved. For a fandom that’s so obsessed with being respectful and calling out other’s disrespectful behavior, it really likes to be disrespectful in as many ways possible.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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The Inconsistency of Nezha's Age, a Short Introduction.
Put very bluntly, Nezha’s age varies greatly depending on which story you’re reading and who’s retold it. He is not always a child or an adult depending on retelling, though my intention here is to highlight the sheer variety available first and foremost - and perhaps shine a light on the Indian dieties which may have influenced him. If these varied images are unwanted, please keep scrolling.
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I happened to stumble upon a timeline error where Nezha’s brother Muzha is described to be using martial arts weapons referred to as “Hooks of Wu” which were specific to the 1800s, quite a long time after Canonization of the Gods was published, but also originating from a time period where numerous varied editions of that story were in circulation. Upwards of twenty different versions exclusive to the 19th century, actually.
The problem arises that Canonization of the Gods is meant to be occurring during the Zhou Shang conflict, that I will generously assume to be in 1045BCE, centuries before the Hooks of Wu would actually exist. It’s completely possible that the version Gu Zhizhong translated was one of these later editions as is makes no chronological sense for Muzha to have those kinds of weapons to begin with. So I have been on somewhat of a rabbit chase trying to pin down the edition Gu Zhizhong used.
Bearing such errors in mind, it’s easy to see where the confusion of Nezha’s age can come from. Before his origin story was integrated within Canonization of the Gods he would be roughly three to seven days old when his conflict with Ao Guang and the Lady Rock Demoness would occur - whereas within Canonization of the Gods he’s actually 6 or 7 years old.
Outside of that, a definitive age isn’t actually provided. Genuinely, within the scope of Chinese folklore and mythos it’s very rare to assign someone an exact age - which I do believe contributed heavily to the known discourse surrounding Nezha’s age to begin with.
He was imported as an adult from India, a child form not seeming to exist for a while until stories of Krsna were integrated to how the Chinese envisioned Nalakubara. Krsna, being an infantile disguise for the notorious Vishnu, also displays supernatural human strength and is actually successful in killing his father figure (1) — unlike Nezha.
As children, both Krsna and Nezha are able to wield heavenly bows and subjugate water spirits (2) while also being known to be dragon tamers (3). The inclusion of these stories to Nezha predates the sculpting of the Quanzhou Pagoda’s (which have been discussed briefly here) and are arguably the earliest evidence of Nezha being a dragon tamer.
Speculatively a child god combination of both Nalakubara and Krsna named Nana is likely where a majority of Nezha’s child attributes come from, based in the Scripture of the Supreme Secrets of Nana Deva - which would see translations within China during the Northern Song period of 960AD-1127AD. Nana would be described thus:
At that time there was a Deva called Nana. His appearance was exceptionally handsome, and his face beamed with a gentle smile. He was holding the sun, the moon, and various weapons. His numerous treasures and abundant jewelry shone more brightly than the sun and the moon. He made himself a luoye robe (4) from the dragons Nanda and Upananda, and a belt from the dragon Taksaka (5). He possessed the same strength as Narayana (i.e. Visnu). He too came to the assembly and sat down facing the Buddha … At that time the Buddha emanated great light from his dharma body of meditation. The light covered the entire Buddha Universe, reaching all the great evil yaksas, the various types of raksasas and pisacas (6) and all the evil dragons as far as the heavenly constellations. When the Buddhas light shone upon them they all awoke to the truth. The Buddhas light returned to him and, after encircling him three times, entered his head. It then reissued in seven colors from his brow, entering Nana-Deva’s head. When the Buddha light penetrated his head, Nana Deva displayed an enormous body like Mt. Sumeru. His facial expression alternated between terrifying anger and a broad smile. He had a thousand arms, and he was holding a skull (7) and numerous weapons. He was handsomely adorned with a tiger skin robe and skulls. [Mightily Strong] He emanated blazing light and terrifying strength. When Nana Deva displayed this divine body, the great earth shook, and all who beheld him were terrified.
Both Nana and Nezha share the same residence of Vaisravana’s palace, are known dragon tamers, and both were known to use belts. The Supreme Secrets of Nana Deva predate all known connections between Nezha and dragons, perhaps lending to Nezha many more elements than initially believed.
Though without concrete evidence stating one way or another, I can only present this information speculatively - especially as it seems difficult for some to understand that Nezha does enjoy a known adult and child form. This answer has already become quite long, so if there’s still confusion regarding this please feel free to ask for more details.
Bibliography:
(1) Goldman, “Fathers, Sons and Gurus,” pp.350, 364; Masson, “Childhood of Krsna”; Ramanujan, “The Indian ‘Oedipus’”; Silk, Riven by Lust, pp. 164-170.
(2) Harley, “Krishna’s Cosmic Victories”; Matchett, “Taming of Kaliya”.
(3) It’s worth comparing Matchett’s “Taming of Kaliya” p.116 with Canonization of the Gods 12.103. Nezha is five days old within the Ming era Sanjiao yuanliu shengdi fozu sou shen daquan, p. 326.
(4) Luoye is the Chinese term for a garment Indian men tied under the armpit, leaving their right shoulder bare. See Xuanzang, Da Tang Xiyu ji, T. 2087, 51: 876b, and Li Rongxi’s translation, Great Tang Dynasty Record, p.53.
(5) Nanda, Upananda, and Taksaka appear in various Buddhist lists of the eight dragon kings; see Foguang da cidian, pp. 6378,6405.
(6) The rakasas and pisacas are two types of Hindu ogres, who Buddhists demonology incorporated. Both types feed on human flesh. See Foguang da cidian, pp6673-6674 and 3851; Monier-Williams, A Sanskrit-English dictionary, pp. 871 and 628; and Strickman’s survey of Buddhist demonology in his Chinese Magical Medicine, pp. 62-68.
(7) Geboluo appears frequently within the contemporaneous Chinese translation of the Hevajra Tantra (Foshuo dabeikong zhi jin’guang dajiaowang yigui jing), no. 892 volume 18: 587-601.
(8) Zuishang mimi Nana tian jing, no. 1288, 21:358b-c. hi
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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i know this is mainly a blog dedicated to educating others on Nezha, but i wish to ask a question to clear sum up.
if a person is attracted to sun wukong, does dat make them a zoophile/supportive of beastiality? a friend of mine's told me a lot of a girls in china sees him as attractive and revealed themselves to be attracted to him too, & some1 popped out of nowhere, & accused my friend of being a zoophile.
Ordinarily I wouldn’t entertain NSFW questions like this, but I need to make this very clear. Liking Sun Wukong or finding him attractive does not make you a zoophile nor does it suggest an inclination towards animals. The rest of my answer is going to remain in NSFW territory, so please keep scrolling if you are not of age / comfortable with these topics.
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It feels to me that whoever this was that approached your friend doesn’t know or understand a great deal of what they’re talking about. Moreover, I want this to be an educational moment in Chinese demons/yaoguai and why it isn’t necessarily a bad thing if Sun Wukong is seen as attractive — regardless of if you treat him like a fictional character or a religious deity.
Yaoguai is a very broad term to describe non-human entities in Chinese mythology and folklore, they themselves having four primary types whom are demon like or ghost like, or a non-human creature who has specific abilities. There is not always a negative connotation to be attached depending on which yaoguai you’re talking about. For our dear Sun Wukong, the negative connotation drops completely.
Historically, numerous times in Chinese mythology and folklore, yaoguai have often disguised themselves as humans or otherwise to seduce humans. Zhu Bajie himself is “guilty” of this. Within JTTW a Lynx Demon is similarly “guilty” of this. What then of the white snake demon within the legend of The White Snake or the fox demoness Su Daji in FSYY?
Moreover, monkey demons within the Zaju portion of Chinese Opera are known sexual deviants, which is why Sun Wukong is or can be very perverted in these operas. It feels like this person has made a problem out of nothing, or a lack of proper education on the topic whatsoever.
I do need to disclose however that numerous predatory zoophiles prey on underaged individuals by drawing false equivalencies between finding animated animals as attractive to having a proclivity to finding animals in general sexually arousing. I was not there, I do not know the contents of that conversation, but it is something worth bearing in mind as something people do.
If you or your friend require resources on this I’m more than happy to locate specific translations or papers regarding this. I hope you are both well.
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I was looking into some idols my friend Pilgrim Sun had referred to me and I happened upon numerous idols of both Muzha and Jinzha.
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Ordinarily this wouldn’t be a problem, however Muzha is known primarily to use the Hooks of Wu and not melon hammers. Similarly, Jinzha is known to use a staff somewhat similar to Sun Wukong but is pictured to be using two swords. This may be a regional difference between China and Taiwan, but something for me to look into further nonetheless.
Images of idols of Nezha from Taiwan for reference (the first image is from Pilgrim Sun).
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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From what I understand, your advice is that we shouldn't stick to just one version of a story or consider it the true version. And that a story has several versions. And these versions do not make one less than the other. Like, we can choose one version of the story as long as we understand that there are more versions.
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Yes this is precisely it. It’s very easy to assume that one way a story is told is the only valid version, but it also neglects how it historically was shared and retold - regardless of if deities are involved. Of course people are allowed to express favoritism, myself having moved from Wuhan, I prefer Wuhanese storytelling.
Did you know there’s roughly 360 different types of regional Chinese Opera that coexist? And with such a large variation in a specific area of performing arts, there’s bound to be more variation in nearly anything else.
Myself and the study of Nezha/Nalakubara has led me down many many different rabbit holes into how he was spread across east and southeast Asia. He appears in India, China, Taiwan, Macau, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Tibet, and very likely many other places I have yet to know. It would be very ignorant of me to assume the Chinese Daoist method of worship to be the only acceptable kind - and downright shameful to dismiss how other countries worship him.
It’s a lengthy answer, but I hope I was able to convey my feelings and personal thoughts properly.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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I hope this question doesn't bother you, I only know the 1999 Lotus Lantern movie (if anyone wants to see it, it's subtitled in English on yt) but I wanted to ask, are there other accessible Lotus Lantern media? I think I only know two versions of the story and the TV show.
Hello! I've been looking for a free to access PDF of the story itself, but this website has a very solid translation and I have used a few of their translations of Canonization of the Gods sometimes. I can personally verify it's validity.
https://pages.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/chin/chtales/story011.html
I also located a TV series under the same name. There aren't subtitles available though.
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This also falls into Chinese Opera, first popularized during the Tang Dynasty. I have added links to both part one and two on Youtube. I hope this is what you've been looking for, despite lacking translations.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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I hope this question doesn't bother you, I only know the 1999 Lotus Lantern movie (if anyone wants to see it, it's subtitled in English on yt) but I wanted to ask, are there other accessible Lotus Lantern media? I think I only know two versions of the story and the TV show.
Hello! I've been looking for a free to access PDF of the story itself, but this website has a very solid translation and I have used a few of their translations of Canonization of the Gods sometimes. I can personally verify it's validity.
https://pages.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/chin/chtales/story011.html
I also located a TV series under the same name. There aren't subtitles available though.
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This also falls into Chinese Opera, first popularized during the Tang Dynasty. I have added links to both part one and two on Youtube. I hope this is what you've been looking for, despite lacking translations.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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The file cannot be accessed. I have an account but it keeps insisting that I must have a free account. I don't know if others have the same problem.
My mistake!
I had discussed this briefly with someone who helps maintain the archive of books, the link did not have such a problem in the past. What we have at the moment is HTML text of what would have been in the book, unfortunately any associated images are lost in this format.
Additionally, I have decided to simply place my aforementioned PDF onto Archive.org which may be read as well. It's a massive file, so give it a moment or so to load. Many apologies for the inconvenience!
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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Do you know of a downloadable pdf of The Classic of Mountains and Seas?
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Yes absolutely. My friend @the-monkey-ruler has kept a reliable archive of these kinds of media where you don’t need to pay to access them.
I have a different PDF called A CHINESE BESTIARY Strange Creature’s from the GUIDEWAYS THROUGH MOUNTAINS AND SEAS that I can’t attach to this answer. If you are comfortable and interested in this other version, please reach out directly and I can arrange sending the full pdf to you.
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Here is a nine headed phoenix from a Qing edition
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Nine tailed fox, companion of the Queen Mother of the West
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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Hi hi, it seems like a few people ran to you due to chaos happening in LMK fandom, (nothing new) but I do have a question if you do not mind answering. Do you have any research links that not closely related to JTTW/FSYY?
People only provide JTTW/FSYY as if it’s ‘end to all meets’. But there’s so much more than that.
It doesn’t surprise me that people are coming to me to discuss those issues, but I truthfully have no interest in LMK or the fandom. It became very clear to me that people depend heavily on personal headcanon or, as you said, JTTW and FSYY holding a lot of water they really can’t. I’ve said it before but both stories were written by two different people in different time periods (the Ming and the Qing Dynasty respectively).
If you’re looking for other literature that concerns the same pantheon (assuming it’s the Daoist pantheon you’re interested in) and not solely Sun Wukong or Nezha, I can happily recommend reading Mountains and Seas Classics, The Lotus Lantern, The Emergence of the Universe as numerous gods exist once the universe does (the theory is split between the universe being born from a cosmic egg or a divine corpse), Pangu Born From the Cosmic Egg, the Separation of Heaven and Earth, Nüwa Repairing the Broken Sky, Shooting Down the Surplus Suns, and many other stories, deities, and even how China saw the Heavens and how the deities developed alongside the idea of the Heavens influencing the dynastic cycle.
I’m more than happy to discuss such myths if requested, as well as describe the many many deities that get “sidelined” because of how JTTW and FSYY were written and then held on the pedestal of the “be all end all”. The scope of when these stories were told and shared is massive and incredibly fluid, so numerous versions of these stories (and even JTTW and FSYY) exist. Daoism did not exist within a vacuum, and the many ethnic groups had their own unique identities in how these stories were retold.
Being so rigid and unwilling to accept different interpretations will truly only hurt you in the long run.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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To the anon asking about Sun Wukong and Red Boy, I have no way of answering your question privately. You are welcome to directly message me about this. This post will be deleted once I can contact you.
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ruibaozha · 4 months
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Hi, hello, I am the friend mentioned in this post. It’s been a few months so I figure why not actually discuss this openly as a few people have asked me why I left Twitter and never plan to go back. There’s a lot to say and a lot of ground to cover, so buckle up and bring a snack. This will take a while.
I deleted the original posts on both Twitter and Tumblr after realizing I was blocked and relentlessly mocked for explaining my side of the issue. Regarding the safety of minors online and how some people are trying to normalize sexual content in spaces where minors can see that, I’ve already seen some disturbing effects of that already. If you are of age and can stomach a 14 year old posting “suggestive” material of Red Son in lingerie, a description of a sex act, and numerous highly suggestive artworks of the Six Eared Macaque and/or Sun Wukong be my guest.
Overall it wasn’t worth trying to appease people that didn’t want an explanation or even try to privately discuss the problem because it was more fun to QRT my post and conflate the issue into being one of transphobia and pedophilia when I was pushing that nudity filters should be used on such content.
It’s fine if you are drawing such things as an adult and have them away from your main blog with the necessary filters and information stating your page to not be viewed by minors/locking the account and/or regularly ensuring whoever is following you is of age. The majority of my problem is the people who don’t do this and frankly don’t care if minors are exposed to it.
It isn’t cute or quirky as an adult to be blocking another adult who has pointed these issues out and is seeking some kind of mediation here.
What you do or don’t do does not exist in a vacuum. People will see what you’re doing and decide for themselves that it’s appropriate to be seeing and drawing/saying such things on the basis that other adults are okay with it too and think nothing of it later on. Creating an environment where it’s acceptable for minors to be exposed to any of this is the real predatory behaviour.
Hey! I love your Nezha art and OC's, and while scrolling on your page I found that you have a current strong distaste for the LMK fandom. Genuine question: why is that?
Hi ! There are a variety of reasons actually. Its a VERY LONG read so click the read more 🫡
(and thank you, I'm glad you like my stuff ! Hopefully I can get some art done soon)
The fandom in itself is probably the most toxic one I've ever been a part of. It's run by children and equally as immature adults, and there's this constant fight about moral superiority.
Take ships, for example. Most LMK ships are perfectly legal, yet people will harass others and send death threats and call them proshippers. Apparently shipping two adults not related isn't enough ! What is, then ?
Because of ships and certain contents I find the fandom ambiance especially on twitter extremely stressful. I can't follow who I want or be mutuals with certain friends of mine because people constantly check people's followings and likes in case they've liked problematic content (which usually isn't even that) and immediately call them out. Anyone following someone that has been decided a proshipper or problematic by the fandom is immediately one as well.
Which is ridiculous! I can't even follow my friends because according to the fandom they follow problematic people. Which, upon myself checking, isn't even problematic! Its always for stupid ass reasons.
On the immature adults part, I do feel that it's saddening that so many big accounts behave like literal children and keep fueling discourse online. Or how some people will read and believe some people's opinions and things they say as facts (A good example would be the eternally 12 bullshit originally spread by Cole who apparently couldn't bother doing research, and was never held accountable for his actions which, ruined the entire fandom for nezha fans, because the western fandom prefers "protecting" a child despite his actions having horrible consequences regarding Chinese people and such.)
Now I do dislike many people in this fandom and do have beef with several of these idiots. Generally speaking it's not a good fandom to be in.
People say they want to respect Chinese culture but when they do something wrong and Chinese people correct them, they reply with death threats and harassment.
It has been baffling to witness Chinese people try to explain why X or Y wasnt wrong or proship or whatever else, and seeing Americans or other westerners tell them to off themselves or that they aren't Chinese/don't know anything about mythology???
Its just. Wow. Damn.
The final straw for me was the huge harassment of a close friend of mine. Though he could've worded his original response better, the amount of hate, threats and backlash he received from the fandom was unnecessary and unwarranted. They could've blocked him but no, they preferred to qrt his tweet and insult him.
And of course, big accounts run by immature fucking adults got involved which only made the hate spread further. It was absolutely disgusting to witness how people will take any opportunity to be the most vile human beings, without caring about cultural differences or trying to understand the original concern.
Because of the fandom, I had to publicly remove all connections to that friend on twitter, because I knew some people could come after me as well, just because we were friends. I ended up putting my account on private, too.
So yes, fuck the LMK fandom. 90% of it is shit, and full of idiots unable to do the tiniest bit of research. I hate the fandom and refuse to be considered a part of it.
I'll post what I want, regardless of what people want to label me as. I'm not in the fandom, I genuinely do not give a single fuck about what it thinks of me.
Regarding Nezha specifically it's painful to see that because of bigger artists people have this incorrect, warped version of him that is completely different from how he actually is. Some people in this fandom seem to take Nezha as a funny little OC they can make up things about. Don't get me started on the hypocrisy of some of these artists who a few months ago were against NSFW content and believed he was 12 who now actively draw that kind of content. It's tiring and honestly sad to witness. I wish more people would read about Nezha instead of listening to people on twitter who for some haven't even read the books or know how to draw a hanfu correctly (seriously, how hard is it to look up references?)
I personally don't mind Nezha ships (whether OC or Canon) as long as it's legal to ship and not actually proship. (Reminder that you cannot apply mortal moral standards to immortal beings). Anyways.
I do think twitter and tik tok LMK fandom are equally as bad, though the TT one is so much more violent. Tumblr so far is pretty chill, hence why I still use this app, haha.
Hope that helps <3 !
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