josh lyman LOVED so deeply…his romantic relationships with other woman are often criticized in misogynistic ways or reduced to josh just being a man that’s just what he does, but i think it’s more nuanced than that and i get that we joke i just want to ramble abt josh…i find it quite cute how vulnerable he was when it came to pursuing a relationship with joey, from the suit to the mug to the unfortunate encounter with al kiefer. i think it’s the little moments like where he tells amy where he missed the part where everyone learned how to function in relationships (i loosely summarize) so telling. his whole relationship with donna…really what more could be said? lightly put, i think it’s the greatest love story of all time. with all that said, he expressed his love the best way he could with his past informing his actions..ended up in relationships that didn’t last (i forgot mandy 😭) but surely not for a lack of trying (maybe a lack of trying by the writers). he may not have loved these women aside from donna, but i think it’s incredible to see how he navigates his crushes and how it reveals so much. at the end of it all, the platonic and romantic love is rooted in his fear of losing anyone, and his love for his work is sometimes prioritized over all else. the presence of love and how deep he loves that informs his character is just something i love. i think i came into this reflecting on a tweet that rubbed me the wrong way but ended up rambling LOL.
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After watching several episodes with Amy featuring on The West Wing... I absolutely hate her.
She's mans interpretation of a feminist. Specifically the newer louder Spice Girl empowerment women felt at the end of the 90s.
Whilst her snark and energy fit in with the show, her bad talking points are often so bad of you actually are knowledge about the stuff she's talking about.
The worst I've seen so far was the debut episode where she ranted about absolutely no prostitution should ever be legal... But even back in the 2000s women's adocoates knew that decrimination is the only way forward?
Not only as a beginning to combat human trafficking but as a way to put money, safety and rights in the pockets of those doing it because people will always do it. My boy Josh agrees! They deserve unions.
But boohoo the show mades Donna, a resident female to come out to voice the anti prostitutation idea. You know, they didn't bother to bring back the ACTUAL SEX WORKER from season one to voice her opinion.
'They don't want people to know their sex workers so we shouldn't legalize it' Donna said. GIRL? LOGIC? Side note- in America do unions MAKE you publish your name to say your in the union? Cuz that's s not legal here.
To demand that prostitution stay illegal is actually such a bad stance for a 'feminist'. She should be advocating for decrimination and how to allocate those tax dollars from the industry to combat human trafficking.
Anyway lots of other reasons to not like her, like her voice. Her.... annoying voice. But I care less about that and more about her shitty shitty politics.
Major Terf Energy
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fic: and secure the blessings: amy/liz
written for @twwpride day 6, “rare pair,” and @sapphic-september 2023, “phone call.”
wordcount: 4,270 // rating: T
tags: childhood friends, growing up together, pining, politics, not actually unrequited love
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Weekly Press Briefing #84: January 28th - February 3rd
Welcome back to the Weekly Press Briefing, where we bring you highlights from The West Wing fandom each week, including new fics, ongoing challenges, and more! This briefing covers all things posted from January 28 – February 3. Did we miss something? Let us know; you can find our contact info at the bottom of this briefing!
Challenges/Prompts:
Do you have a challenge or event you’d like us to promote or know of one we’re missing? Be sure to get in touch with us! Contact info is at the bottom of this briefing.
@thefinestmuffin and @JessBakesCakes are hosting the 3rd Annual Josh/Donna Rom-Com Fest. Anyone can prompt or claim, and the fest reveals on February 14. Details here.
This Week in Canon:
Welcome back to This Week in Canon, where we revisit moments in The West Wing that occurred on these dates during the show’s run.
Season 3, Episode 12: The Two Bartlets aired on January 30, 2002.
Photos/Videos:
Here’s what was posted from January 28 - February 3:
Allison Janney posted a photo of herself with some of her Palm Royale castmates, including Laura Dern, Jayme Lemons, and Leslie Bibb.
Amy Landecker posted a photo of herself with Brad and Randy Rainbow.
Josh Malina posted a video compilation of himself as David Rosen in Scandal.
Marlee Matlin posted a reel of herself advocating for open captions at all times at movie theatres.
Melissa Fitzgerald posted a photo of author Laura Dave and herself with Melissa and Mary McCormack’s upcoming West Wing book.
Melissa Fitzgerald posted a photo of herself with Elmo in honor of his birthday (Elmo is 3 and a half).
Rob Lowe posted a video of himself on the Howard Stern show talking about casting for The Outsiders.
Rob Lowe posted a photo of himself and his son Johnny from the set of their show Unstable.
Donna Moss Daily: January 28 | January 29 | January 30 | January 31 | February 1 | February 2 | February 3
Daily Josh Lyman: January 28 | January 29 | January 30 | January 31 | February 1 | February 2 | February 3
No Context BWhit: January 28 | January 29 | February 1 | February 2 | February 3
@twwarchive: January 28 | January 29 | January 30 | January 31 | February 1 | February 2 | February 3
@twwgifs: February 3
Editors’ Choice:
This week in 2002, The Two Bartlets aired for the first time. We're recommending fics set during or after that episode!
the defect at the heart of every promise by joshatella (shuuuliet) | Rated G | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss | Complete | Donna catches Josh brooding about his canceled trip to Tahiti with Amy. Also, no one in the West Wing is entirely sure what the word "brooding" actually means.
Missing scene to 3x12: "The Two Bartlets".
Big Pajamas by TheBreakfastGenie | Not Rated | Amy Gardner/Josh Lyman | Complete | "Should I change?"
"Into what?"
"I remember a pair of big pajamas."
Josh tries to explain why he has pajamas that are too big for him, which means explaining some other things, too.
Post-The Two Bartlets.
Just Like June by Kansas J. Miller [archived by westwingfanfictioncentral_archivist] | Rated T | C. J. Cregg/Sam Seaborn | Complete | CJ and Sam take some time for themselves.
S3 E12 The Two Bartlets by JDPostEpisodeChallenge | Rated T | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss | Complete | Written by SeaDog11
Red Shoes, The by Marguerite | Rated T | No Pairings Listed [Ed. note: this is a C. J. Cregg/Toby Ziegler fic where the pairing was not tagged] | Complete | "Why do we do it? Because we can't stop."
Fics:
Presenting your weekly roundup of fics posted in the tag for The West Wing on Archive of Our Own.
Josh/Donna
Locus Amoenus by spooky_spacegirl | Rated G | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss | In Progress
Come Back, Be Here by MatthewsMary | Rated E | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss | Complete [Editor’s Note: While this fic is listed on AO3 as complete, it has continued to update and appears to be a WIP]
Those Small Moments by wootcanal | Rated G | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss | Complete
Other Pairings/Gen Fic
it started off with a kiss... now it ended up like this by imawkwardlysoc | Rated G | Sam Seaborn/Original Female Character | In Progress
why they lost their minds and fought the wars by JediAnnieScrambler | Rated E | C. J. Cregg/Toby Ziegler | In Progress
it is very cold… in space by themysterybox | Rated G | C.J. Cregg/Donna Moss | Complete
Checking In, Checking Out by LittleBlackaPony (crossover with Forever Knight) | Rated G | Dolores Landingham, Don Schanke, Nicholas Knight (Forever Knight), Natalie Lambert (No Pairings Listed) | Complete
Requited, Actually. by OhhMyy | Rated E | Toby Ziegler/Original Female Character | Complete
End Racism in the OTW – Tommy Boy by DestielIsDestiny | Rated G | Jed Bartlet & Sam Seaborn (No Pairings Listed) | In Progress
This Season of Peace and Joy by thedaisyfairy | Rated G | Josh Lyman & Toby Ziegler (No Pairings Listed) | Complete
Unwriting the pages by AlasPoorCesario | Rated G | Jed Bartlet (No Pairings Listed) | Complete
Multiple Pairings
What Sons Do by kcat1971 | Rated T | Josh Lyman/Donna Moss, Helen Santos/Matt Santos, Abbey Bartlet/Jed Bartlet, Ainsley Hayes/Sam Seaborn, Zoey Bartlet/Charlie Young | In Progress
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If they had given a little more focus/storyline to Carisi instead of deleting anything related to his personal life, it would have been interesting to see the number of women who were attracted to Carisi
Season 18/19 - Arielle Hendrickson (deleted scenes in S19)
Season 20 - Amy Gardner (deleted scene)
Season 21 - Dara Miglani (seemly implied attraction)
Season 22 - Nicole Harper
In the end Rollisi came on top
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