#Anti Philoise

[hamletshoeratio]

Theo Sharpe, Marina Thompson, and Eloise Bridgerton, they could never make me hate you <3

#Bridgerton #bridgerton netflix #eloise bridgerton #she deserves better from both the writers and the fandom #anti philoise #marina thompson #theo sharpe #eloise x theo #marina deserves better period #her arc is a mess #if they do to her what they did in the books i swear - #theo you deserve the world

[bookish-cravings]

I genuinely don't think I'll be able to stomach Eloise's season, like I'm so sorry but you're never gonna make me root for a female character being stripped of all personality, being blindsided into being a mother (smth she didn't want), and finding 'true happiness' by abandoning all previous characterization and conforming to society's elitist standards at long last.

And the fact that in the show they're gonna have to fridge a WOC so that this godawful ship can happen is just...

#bridgerton #eloise bridgerton #anti philip crane #anti philoise #marina thompson #anti tspwl #anti to sir philip with love

[torchwood-99]

Eloise's Love Interests: A Comparison

Sir Phillip Crane: “you might consider shutting your mouth and using it for some other purpose”

VS

Theo Sharpe: "I've read all of these and I set them aside for you. I thought perhaps you might share your thoughts on them."

.......and Philoise stans wonder why we prefer Theo.

#Bridgerton #Eloise Bridgerton #Theloise #Theo Sharpe #Anti Phillip Crane #Anti Sir Phillip Crane #Anti Philoise #tradwife fandom

[thecatsaesthetics]

I love Bridgerton but I don’t think I can watch the season where Eloise ends up with a crusty old man who’s only personality trait is plants.

#eloise bridgerton #anti philoise #literally hate it #either make Eloise gay and have her end up with Marina or have her end up with Theo #but to have her end up in the country with that crusty plant guy #I couldn’t imagine a worse fate for her

[doomed2repeat]

About Theo and Eloise:

In my humble opinion:

Theo’s use as a character is to encourage Eloise to look past the surface of people. Of course he’s there to introduce her to romantic attraction, but in a very specific way, and it’s to start developing a sense of what she might like in a partner. Just because someone is perfect for you superficially does not mean they actually are, and for a character like Eloise patience and discernment are going to be very important for her storyline.

🛑 If you really really love Theo or Theloise and think they should be endgame, please stop now… 🛑

We got foreshadowing of this when Violet tries to hook Eloise up with that ton guy at the Hearts and Flowers ball. Violet picks him out for Eloise because she says he shares her rebelliousness. And that guy is rebellious and is looking for someone different, just like Violet says. But his personality is all wrong for Eloise and it crashes and burns pretty much immediately.

Theo is said to be “perfect” for Eloise. And on the surface, he might seem so. He’s a radical. He’s political. But those are his interests. Not his personality.

So let’s really look at his personality. Theo is one of the most condescending and patronizing people Eloise comes across. When he first meets her, he talks down to her, making assumptions of her based on her gender and class. Their initial banter is the stuff of meet cutes, which glosses over WHY they were bantering back and forth like that in the first place- he immediately underestimated her intelligence upon seeing her.

It’s debatable why she accepted it from him vs the other guy, but I think the biggest issue is that unlike the guy Eloise danced with at the ball, Eloise has a reason to keep talking to him despite him showing the same attitude that left her running from the ballroom floor. She needed him for something, so it was worth continuing to engage, and engaging with him for longer allows her crush to grow.

Eloise is going to be a character who needs time to really fall in love. And so she is going to need to develop the capacity for more patience for other people than her character currently has. She’s often impulsive and makes snap decisions, but Theo forces her out of that by being a character she has to work with. Which is a great thing! Through Theo, Eloise gets to explore more of her interests, which is not nothing! Credit where credit is due, she’s obviously going to want that in a partner, and I would hope any relationship they write for her would have that as an element to it. It’s valuable for her to learn that that’s possible as she starts to develop her sense of taste in men.

But he’s also not the ONE yet, which is also valuable for her.

When Eloise doesn’t kiss Theo he blows up at her. He lashes out and accuses her of being just like every other lady. Going back to the foreshadowing from the Hearts and Flowers ball, there’s some irony here- there, Eloise gets offended because the man implies that she’s Not Like Other Girls. Here, that is used against her. Theo thinks Eloise should act a certain way because she’s rebellious, but when he dismisses her as a prude, he once again reveals the superficiality of his politics when it comes to praxis.

At the time I watched S2, I hadn’t yet read the books, but I’ve read them since, and this is very similar to a scene from TSPWL, where Eloise is trying to discuss something serious with Phillip, who is trying to kiss her instead. We don’t know yet whether that scene will make it to the show or not, since show Phillip seems to have a somewhat different storyline from the books, but it was a deliberate choice to use that as a reason for Theo to lash out at Eloise in the show, and I think it’s actually about Eloise’s growth. In the similar scene in the book, she calls Phillip out for this behavior while in the show Eloise just cries. Somewhere between age 18 and 28, she won’t take it, even from men she likes, which is, frankly pretty realistic. Even the most radical feminists sometimes take BS from the “radical” first boyfriends they date as teenagers. Eloise has a realistic mix of strength and vulnerability, and Theo hit a vulnerable spot for her. She’s a feminist, but she has very little real world experience with relationships between men and women outside of her brothers, and Theo is a valuable storyline to create that experience, so that when she is ready (hopefully 10 years on, I’m team time jump Eloise), she’ll have the combination of patience and discernment necessary to find and keep the right person for her.

When it comes to Sir Phillip specifically, Eloise is interested in his words first. They write letters back and forth, they never meet in person before Phillip proposes, so we know physical attraction has nothing to do with it. When she runs off to meet him she’s partially there to assess his personality. See how he actually acts. And he’s not perfect. But even as flawed characters they ultimately compliment rather than clash. In the books we know she had been courted before and turns down multiple proposals, so she had enough experiences with men to know where she stands. Eloise was never going to settle for the first man who liked her, or even the first man she thought she might like, and in fact, so many happily married women have that story of “wow, if I had married the guy I was with at 18 it would be a disaster.” Eloise is getting that with Theo.

Because imagine Theo and Eloise long term. Imagine their verbal sparring when they’re fully on Theo’s turf, with Eloise as his wife. His condescension would get old so fast with Theo always having the upper hand. Eloise likes the buzz and mental stimulation of their banter, but ultimately she’s a woman who likes to be right, and likes to feel like she’s being heard and respected. Theo likes the novelty of a woman like Eloise, but prefers when he’s in the teachable position- giving her books to read, taking her to rallies, etc- and not when her needs don’t line up with his desires.

I won’t claim to know how they’re going to do Phillip in the show for Eloise’s season, other than what we all know the changes they’ve already made to his backstory with Marina and the twins. But I do think counting him out already by claiming Theo is “perfect” for Eloise is a pretty shallow read on what’s been seen and what’s still possible for her.

#philoise #anti-theloise #anti-Theo #eloise x phillip #eloise bridgerton #anti theloise #anti Theo #phillip crane #TSPWL #to sir phillip with love #Philoise Bridgerton

[thekatebridgerton]

Since I'm tired of fake dating aus Behold

Reverse fake dating au

Where Penelope and Phillip decide to fake date to get their parents off their backs and.... don't actually fall inlove. No, what happens is that they rope in Colin and Eloise on the ruse as 'witnesses to their romance' to make it more believable.

Colin's role is to take pictures of all the fake couple's romantic moments and Eloise role is to spread the rumors that Penelope and Phillip are dating.

The thing is that as a writer and a bothanist Penelope and Phillip are super corny closet romantics who are trying out all they always wanted to do if they ever were part of the perfect couple... On each other

So here is Phillip taking Penelope to the best botanical gardens he knows, showering Pen with flowers and sitting in dark academia university lectures with his fake girlfriend all while Eloise follows them around with Colin wondering exactly where Marina's ex was hiding that dreamy streak. But ughh he's fake dating her best friend, she cannot break their fake relationship just because she's liking Phillip a little too much. And Colin is out there taking pictures of Penelope taking Phillip to her favorite pastissaries and feeding him macaroons. Touring printing press museums and reading poetry to Phillip with that voice of hers. And he can't believe that all this is just her acting like a girlfriend. What would happen if she were actually a real girlfriend??? Not a fake one. Colin low key wants to kill Phillip for being lucky enough to get the Penelope girlfriend experience

In the end Phillip and Penelope can't keep lying to their parents. Because they don't like each other romantically and it's really hard to pretend they do. So it's taking a toll on their mental health to keep up the lie.

Phillip and Penelope stage a huge breakup and end things. Only for Colin to say "Finally" and proceed to confess his love to Penelope because he couldn't hold it anymore.

Cue Eloise casually dropping herself off at Phillip's place now that he's not fake dating her best friend going like "Hey plant dad, since your ex fake girlfriend moved out, what do you say about me as a roommate" and begining her own 'and then they were roommates' nerd x popular girl au

#bridgerton #polin #philoise #anti fake dating au #reverse fake dating

[thelambismydrug]

All that TheoxEloise bullshit, I can’t stand it anymore. IT WON‘T HAPPEN!!! She’ll end up with Phillip! PERIOD!!!!!!!

#philoise #eloise x phillip #if you can’t accept it please get help #it is so annoying #anti theoxeloise

[rainybraindays]

I don't like making posts like this, I don't like opening my blog up for people to come and harrass me but oh my god, why does the fandom allow posts like this to get away unscathed?

You don’t have to like Marina. I'll never claim that. You can like or dislike whoever you want.

But I do wonder, if Marina was played by a white woman would we get nearly as many posts like this? Would everyone be as okay with it? Would we have been so quiet about the fact that Ruby Barker was harrassed for this role? Or would there be way more people defending her? Would she suddenly be sympathetic when now shes not?

Why are we all so okay with taking this character with a nuanced story, put in a horrible situation with almost no options and turning her into a villian?

Like did we watch the same show? Did you miss the bit where she doesn't want to find a husband at all and only starts when she thinks shes been abandoned, which she only believes because she gets a forged letter saying she was? Did you not see Portia slap her? Did you not also watch a man old enough to be her grandfather being forced on her?

Lying to Colin wasn't okay, I'm not defending that, but literally tell me what her options were?

The man she loves is dead, but she doesn't even know that she thinks he abandoned her, so she can't reasonably assume Phillip will take responsibility when his brother won't. The only people Portias interested in introducing to her are those she wouldn't introduce to her own daughters. She can't reasonably think Colin will be open to her as a wife since shes pregnant becausethats not the norm. But Colin is, he says he would have married her even knowing. And Colin also doesn't view Marina as a villian, in season two hes sad yeah, but he’s also guilty because he doesn't think she deserved what happened.

This is a nuanced messy situation but no one wants to look at that.

Like you all make it very clear you view her as a whore, because she did a very normal thing and had sex. You all view her as a manipulative snake of a person, when if she was even the Whistledown article wouldn't have been a stop for her because she would have tried to get out of it. You conveniently forget that she almost killed herself in an attempt to abort her children because of her mistreatment post Whistledown article because that takes away from the idea you've concocted that shes some villainous bitch.

But then you turn around and want Penelope to have sexual knowledge that she realistically wouldn't and canonically doesn’t. You praise her for her Whistledown work even though it keeps hurting people she loves and shes lying about doing it.

This is weird, posting about how you can't wait for a character to die, and how you hope the death is - lets be honest here- humiliating, is a bizarre thing to do.

Its even more bizarre to do that, tag the character, and then also tag two ships that really the post really isn't about.

Like why is Polin tagged? Because they're both mentioned? This isn't a polin moment. You don’t talk about them at all in the meat of the post. Why is Philoise tagged? Because she's an 'obstacle' for them? They haven't even met, they aren't mentioned at all, they have nothing to do with this.

And on top of tagging these things you say "don't try and defend her to me" which why would we you clearly wouldn't listen. You follow that with saying "If you like her you probably suck" and claim to have tagged this as anti marina when you didn't. You put this in her main tag and then added "death to marina".

Theres no respect to your peers in the fandom, and clear disrespect to people who do like this character and are actually willing to engage with the character beyond fanon portrayal. Because thats what this is its not even taking her at face value anymore.

You wonder why people dislike this fandom, specifically the polin side of it, and do things like this. We as a community need to improve because stuff like this isn't uncommon, this is just one of the most blatant I've seen.

I'm going to be entirely honest if you follow quotegirl19, or don't see the issues with Marinas portrayal and treatment by the fandom this is not the blog for you.

#rainy talks #yeah I bit the bullet but i feel abit better #bridgerton #marina thompson #colin bridgerton #Penelope Featherington #I'm only tagging them because they're metioned rather prominently (which is how you actually use tags) #polin #for the same reason as stated above #I'm not tagging philoise though I don't think its important enough #marinas treatment in this fandom reeks of racism and misogyny

[mariailoveyou-guerin]

how can yall hate marina for doing what was best for her and her children but in the same breathe using this sound to praise and say portia is great mom for doing everything for her kids whats the difference between portia and her? why is okay and girl boss mother of portia or the other female characters (georgia violete queen charlotte) under this sound to do everything for their kids but its weonf for marina when she has it harder in the time and society she lives in? think about that and comeback with 1 single reasons why what marina did was so evil and cruel when at best it was wrong and not very nice to colin but she didnt have any other choice as woman in that time, why are you #polin #colinbridgerton #penelopefeatherington fans even mad at her when colin and his family has forgiven her because he loved her and you forgive the people you love even if he isnt in love with her anymore and especially pen fans when penolope(this coming from polin pen colin girly) has done more damage to her mentally socially and in everyway possible then marina done to anyone or colin? its giving anti black misagynior and im mot taking any #eloisebridgerton or #sirphillipcrane or #philoise stans slander at marina seriously because she’s literally not done anything ever against any of those characters so yall have no reason to hate her other the fact shes black and shes breathing and seeing yall find enjoyment happiness at the thought that she mind unalive herself this season is so sick hope yall know your mom a h*e and you are a lose*r who will never be loved and yall just racist! because yall finding a black character unalive themselves as something to be joyfull exicited happy about! #bridgerton #shondaland #shondarhimes #juliagarner and yes what she did to colin was wrong but there was no other way out for her she was desperate and the featherington weren’t particularly nice to her not even pen was and she exposed her to the world and especially nor portia trying to give her off to a old hag man who was gonna treat her with cruelty later on her kids whom he would know wasnt his kids im sorry she wanted better for herself snd her kids because she knew colin would treat her and her kids right which is why she picked him hes a good man are yall mad a girl picked good kind man for herself and her kids and not a cruel old hag who was already disgusting to her from the first time they met! she felt so guilty after she regretted it and apologized to colin told him she was desperate and he showed her kindness, apologizing something you cant say for the other characters especially not a bridgerton thats not colin ever doing or getting consequences for their wrong doingings!

#bridgerton #marina crane #philoise #colin bridgerton #penelope featherington #portia featherington #eloise bridgerton #anthony bridgerton #polin #benedict bridgerton #daphne bridgerton #sir phillip crane #lady crane #marina thompson

[alicuntisms]

I have no idea how they’re going to make philoise work in the show. Especially with Eloise’s staunch anti marriage stance. Like it’s not that she doesn’t want to marry in the book but because she’s surrounded by all these love matches she is looking for that feeling that her siblings seem to have all found. But show Eloise does not seem to have that romantic streak in her? So like. How? How are they gonna make this make sense?

[nooneleavesforgood]

One of the most irritating things about Marinas depression storyline is that the whole point of it is just to add to Philips trauma and pain. Like her children don’t even miss her. I feel like JQ just wanted a way to show Eloise being a good mother and having the children accept her fairly quickly without having to write about their grief over their mother. Like Marina is painted out to be this bad mother who doesn’t pay attention to her kids and Eloise is the sunshine who brings them the first hint of maternal affection they have ever gotten. I think even in the epilogue Amanda mentions something like Eloise being a better number.

But also knowing people with clinical depression it’s not how people act. In general (of course there are exceptions) they don’t spend every waking moment in bed. Unless you know you can’t tell they have depression. And it really wasn’t too hard for JQ to treat Marina depression with compassion but still be period appropriate. But instead we aren’t meant to care about Marina, just how it affected Philip. Until Eloise comes along and she is happy so of course she fixes Philips misery. I mean Eloise literally witnessed her father die but she has no problems?? Just because she talked about it with her mother.

I can't think of anything to add to this. Just...yes

#bridgerton critical #to sir phillip with love #anti philoise #anti phillip crane #ableism cw

[hamletshoeratio]

Me: I raise funds in D.C. for the Washington Monument [I love that one feminist and intellectual writer in Bridgerton]

LW/Penelope: She tells my story -

Me: I speak out against slavery [NOT YOU]

Me: You could have done so much more if you only had time

#theo sharpe #eloise bridgerton #eloise x theo #anti penelope featherington #<- for the block list #a revolutionary who fights for all #but I'm meant to be rooting for Marinas death so Eloise can end up with discount mr rochester? yeah nah #ya lost me #anti philoise

[mars-626]

Disclaimer: First I'd like to say ship and let ship... This may be pro one couple BUT NOT anti the other, you do you boos ❤ These are just my random late night thoughts 😅

In the case for MarinaxEloise (Meloise)

The show already made a major change, Marina is a Featherington cousin not Bridgerton.... so why would Eloise be writing to Sir Crane in the first place? (I have some ideas on why she potentially could be in touch with a widowed Marina tho)

Marina is already established as a bigger role in the series than in the books... as well as being a popular show character.... I'd like her to have some sort of hea

Imagine Eloise trying to navigate her feelings and finding support from Benedict (they already have such a beautiful relationship, and show!Benedict will be open and understanding because of his friendship with Grenville... side note: I'm PRO Bi Benedict and PRO Benophie... Sophie is my favorite!)

Imagine the drama of the Lady Whistledown reveal with Eloise AND Marina (also my head cannon is that Pen, being so young and it being her first year as LW, later expresses one of her regrets or is still torn up about how she handled the Marina article during a conversation with Colin)

AND/OR what if the show changes and Eloise finds out before everyone... IMO Eloise deserved to find out from Pen and before everyone!!... imagine the ANGST between Eloise (torn about keeping the secret) and Marina (the one who was scorned by the secret)!

ALSO the Colin factor!!! His Ex ending up with his sister!

Imagine the scene of ABC busting in on Eloise BUT finding her with Marina, A=speechless, B=shocked yet understanding, C=confused

If done well I think this could work beautifully on screen (or as a fic)

If someone did want to make a fic of this I just request the title be either "THE SPINSTER AND THE WIDOW" OR "SPINNING THE WEB" 😅

(Not really Anti because I don't mind Philo*se but I want to be respectful while sharing my crazy thoughts, if I didn't tag this right please lmk)

#bridgerton #marina x eloise #eloise bridgerton #marina thompson #bridgerton netflix #bridgerton theory #bridgerton speculation #meloise #anti philoise #anti-philoise #eloise x marina

[torchwood-99]

Bridgerton, I am gently reminding you, if you're not planning on ditching Sir Phillip and letting Theloise sail, stop getting our hopes up.

#Bridgerton #Eloise Bridgerton #Theo Sharpe #Theloise #Theo x Eloise #anti philoise #anti tspwl #not in the least because it means Queen Marina won't get fridged

[pensbridgrton]

why don’t you like phillip? (full disclosure i’ve only seen the show and read summaries of the books, historicals are always a little dense for me to read, i’m just curious!)

so to start - i totally respect that there are PLENTY of people who do like him and love phillip/eloise and to be fair, TSPWL isn’t even my least favorite book because there are things in that book i do love

so overall, it’s just personal things that didn’t vibe with me that might vibe with you so i do recommend making your own decisions.

but mainly:

By the point I was reading this book, I was sick of the daddy issues. (Also fun fact, this was the last book I read before starting the tv show. I binge-read (and reread) the first five books in like three days haha.)

Phillip constantly thinks of Marina and her depression/suicide in TERRIBLE ways, and yes I get that it’s a historical and whatnot, but JQ does a terrible job with describing it and since it’s mostly from Phillip’s POV when it does come up, it just makes Phillip look horrible.

Phillip just makes Eloise into this... muted version of herself. Again, I get that it’s a period piece and stuff, but Eloise turns into Violet in this book (and we never really get more of her in any other books after to rectify this) and it’s really unsettling and makes me sad because while book!Eloise is nowhere near as outgoing and ambitious as tv!Eloise, it just felt... off. (Which is why, while I can respect the direction of the books, it does not feel right for tv!Eloise and how they’ve written her.)

Phillip neglects his kids. He loves them, sure, and is mainly terrified of his own body/masculinity (which I do think is an interesting character trait) but I never like a hero who has to be taught by a woman how to be kind and care for others/kids - especially his own.

Not to mention he gets mad at Eloise for wanting to TALK about their FEELINGS because he thinks that since they’re banging regularly that must mean they have a happy marriage.

Again... the book does a decent job resolving most of these issues... I just didn’t like how they came up in the first place.

I like romances to be about two people who make each other better versions of themselves, and while I think Phillip grew in this book, I don’t Eloise did (or at least not in ways that felt right to me, personally) and I hate that.

#bridgerton #spoilers #anti phillip crane #i know i have followers so like him and them which i totally respect #and like... i'll probably reread the book someday bc it wasnt BAD #unlike TDAI #i just am rooting for a different ending in the tv series even tho i don't have much hope #Anonymous #asks #anti philoise

[thekatebridgerton]

Hello, I was reading a theory that scared me a little. This theory said that the couples would change and the love plot between classes would be Eloise and Theo. They also said they would develop another original story for Benedict. Even so, the presence of Phillip and various elements of Eloise's story would make no sense if that were true. Unless they decided to change their mind midway

You know when I see theories like that I like to wonder that if things were so, then why did the show bother introducing Phillip in s1 at all?

Callam is still not confirmed for s2 and Bridgerton has already begun filming.

In s1 we got to meet two love interests who were not the main focus of the season: Phillip and Penelope. The two of them, out of seven love interests outside of Simon that the show could have introduced. 

And I get showing Penelope. Because she needs to be on screen since she’s supposed to be a part of the Bridgerton circle singe long before Colin fell for her. And also because of LW. 

That still doesn’t explain why we got to see Phillip in S1.

Think about it, the show could have introduced any of the other main love interests in the same way they did Phillip. Just a stranger, loosely connected to one of the plotlines for a few minutes and then disappearing in the end. We could have been shown a maid running errands in London with a plotline connected to Daphne’s maid, and we could have seen Sophie. 

We could have seen one of the many bachelors Simon met in his days as a rake and there could have been a scene of Michael, saying a line or two about the benefits of rakedom while Simon contemplates his love for Daphne. We could have seen Lady Danbury and Simon visit her beloved but neglected grandson Gareth, to remind Simon of why he doesn’t want to be a bad father. We could have even seen a short scene of Lady Abernathy with a very young Lucy, talking to Daphne about how much she loves her two children and wishes the duchess the same joy. 

Instead we get Phillip.

The show, goes out of its way to stress how much of a good man Phillip is, once in s1 by taking care of his brother’s pregnant paramour. And then in s2 by being the friendliest stranger Colin could have met in the house of an ex. 

And I think that the reason we got to see Phillip and not any of the other love interests. Is exactly because Phillip and Eloise are not ready to fall inlove. He’s too married and she’s too much against marriage for them to work out. Their love story is supposed to be about two people who fell inlove at exactly the right time. Because both wanted to love each other. In the sense that Eloise was finally ready to fall inlove and get married at the exact moment that Phillip was ready to move on and find love again. 

I think that the show is going to make Phillip and Eloise story all about right people wrong time kind of soulmates. You know those couples that even if they had gotten a chance to meet in highschool or in college they wouldn’t have fallen inlove because they were different people and they were not looking for love. But then once they are ready to find love, they do meet their soulmate, because it was meant to be at exactly that point in their lives, and not a minute before. 

I don’t know about you, but that’s my theory.

 With the tea.

#philoise #anti theloise #sir phillip crane #eloise bridgerton