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doomed2repeat · 4 months

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About Theo and Eloise:

In my humble opinion:

Theo’s use as a character is to encourage Eloise to look past the surface of people. Of course he’s there to introduce her to romantic attraction, but in a very specific way, and it’s to start developing a sense of what she might like in a partner. Just because someone is perfect for you superficially does not mean they actually are, and for a character like Eloise patience and discernment are going to be very important for her storyline.

🛑 If you really really love Theo or Theloise and think they should be endgame, please stop now… 🛑

We got foreshadowing of this when Violet tries to hook Eloise up with that ton guy at the Hearts and Flowers ball. Violet picks him out for Eloise because she says he shares her rebelliousness. And that guy is rebellious and is looking for someone different, just like Violet says. But his personality is all wrong for Eloise and it crashes and burns pretty much immediately.

Theo is said to be “perfect” for Eloise. And on the surface, he might seem so. He’s a radical. He’s political. But those are his interests. Not his personality.

So let’s really look at his personality. Theo is one of the most condescending and patronizing people Eloise comes across. When he first meets her, he talks down to her, making assumptions of her based on her gender and class. Their initial banter is the stuff of meet cutes, which glosses over WHY they were bantering back and forth like that in the first place- he immediately underestimated her intelligence upon seeing her.

It’s debatable why she accepted it from him vs the other guy, but I think the biggest issue is that unlike the guy Eloise danced with at the ball, Eloise has a reason to keep talking to him despite him showing the same attitude that left her running from the ballroom floor. She needed him for something, so it was worth continuing to engage, and engaging with him for longer allows her crush to grow.

Eloise is going to be a character who needs time to really fall in love. And so she is going to need to develop the capacity for more patience for other people than her character currently has. She’s often impulsive and makes snap decisions, but Theo forces her out of that by being a character she has to work with. Which is a great thing! Through Theo, Eloise gets to explore more of her interests, which is not nothing! Credit where credit is due, she’s obviously going to want that in a partner, and I would hope any relationship they write for her would have that as an element to it. It’s valuable for her to learn that that’s possible as she starts to develop her sense of taste in men.

But he’s also not the ONE yet, which is also valuable for her.

When Eloise doesn’t kiss Theo he blows up at her. He lashes out and accuses her of being just like every other lady. Going back to the foreshadowing from the Hearts and Flowers ball, there’s some irony here- there, Eloise gets offended because the man implies that she’s Not Like Other Girls. Here, that is used against her. Theo thinks Eloise should act a certain way because she’s rebellious, but when he dismisses her as a prude, he once again reveals the superficiality of his politics when it comes to praxis.

At the time I watched S2, I hadn’t yet read the books, but I’ve read them since, and this is very similar to a scene from TSPWL, where Eloise is trying to discuss something serious with Phillip, who is trying to kiss her instead. We don’t know yet whether that scene will make it to the show or not, since show Phillip seems to have a somewhat different storyline from the books, but it was a deliberate choice to use that as a reason for Theo to lash out at Eloise in the show, and I think it’s actually about Eloise’s growth. In the similar scene in the book, she calls Phillip out for this behavior while in the show Eloise just cries. Somewhere between age 18 and 28, she won’t take it, even from men she likes, which is, frankly pretty realistic. Even the most radical feminists sometimes take BS from the “radical” first boyfriends they date as teenagers. Eloise has a realistic mix of strength and vulnerability, and Theo hit a vulnerable spot for her. She’s a feminist, but she has very little real world experience with relationships between men and women outside of her brothers, and Theo is a valuable storyline to create that experience, so that when she is ready (hopefully 10 years on, I’m team time jump Eloise), she’ll have the combination of patience and discernment necessary to find and keep the right person for her.

When it comes to Sir Phillip specifically, Eloise is interested in his words first. They write letters back and forth, they never meet in person before Phillip proposes, so we know physical attraction has nothing to do with it. When she runs off to meet him she’s partially there to assess his personality. See how he actually acts. And he’s not perfect. But even as flawed characters they ultimately compliment rather than clash. In the books we know she had been courted before and turns down multiple proposals, so she had enough experiences with men to know where she stands. Eloise was never going to settle for the first man who liked her, or even the first man she thought she might like, and in fact, so many happily married women have that story of “wow, if I had married the guy I was with at 18 it would be a disaster.” Eloise is getting that with Theo.

Because imagine Theo and Eloise long term. Imagine their verbal sparring when they’re fully on Theo’s turf, with Eloise as his wife. His condescension would get old so fast with Theo always having the upper hand. Eloise likes the buzz and mental stimulation of their banter, but ultimately she’s a woman who likes to be right, and likes to feel like she’s being heard and respected. Theo likes the novelty of a woman like Eloise, but prefers when he’s in the teachable position- giving her books to read, taking her to rallies, etc- and not when her needs don’t line up with his desires.

I won’t claim to know how they’re going to do Phillip in the show for Eloise’s season, other than what we all know the changes they’ve already made to his backstory with Marina and the twins. But I do think counting him out already by claiming Theo is “perfect” for Eloise is a pretty shallow read on what’s been seen and what’s still possible for her.

#philoise #anti-theloise #anti-Theo #eloise x phillip #eloise bridgerton #anti theloise #anti Theo #phillip crane #TSPWL #to sir phillip with love #Philoise Bridgerton

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vicontheinternet · 2 years

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I know they’ve already started filming s3 or started working on s3 and said it was going to be about polin but it would've been so much more interesting for them to deviate from the books since is all abt being “diverse” and do Colin in a polyamorous relationship with marina and phillip crane

#midnight brainrot #bridgerton #go argue with a wall #anti polin #marina thompson #philip crane #sir phillip crane

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thekatebridgerton · 2 years

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Hello, I was reading a theory that scared me a little. This theory said that the couples would change and the love plot between classes would be Eloise and Theo. They also said they would develop another original story for Benedict. Even so, the presence of Phillip and various elements of Eloise's story would make no sense if that were true. Unless they decided to change their mind midway

You know when I see theories like that I like to wonder that if things were so, then why did the show bother introducing Phillip in s1 at all?

Callam is still not confirmed for s2 and Bridgerton has already begun filming.

In s1 we got to meet two love interests who were not the main focus of the season: Phillip and Penelope. The two of them, out of seven love interests outside of Simon that the show could have introduced.

And I get showing Penelope. Because she needs to be on screen since she’s supposed to be a part of the Bridgerton circle singe long before Colin fell for her. And also because of LW.

That still doesn’t explain why we got to see Phillip in S1.

Think about it, the show could have introduced any of the other main love interests in the same way they did Phillip. Just a stranger, loosely connected to one of the plotlines for a few minutes and then disappearing in the end. We could have been shown a maid running errands in London with a plotline connected to Daphne’s maid, and we could have seen Sophie.

We could have seen one of the many bachelors Simon met in his days as a rake and there could have been a scene of Michael, saying a line or two about the benefits of rakedom while Simon contemplates his love for Daphne. We could have seen Lady Danbury and Simon visit her beloved but neglected grandson Gareth, to remind Simon of why he doesn’t want to be a bad father. We could have even seen a short scene of Lady Abernathy with a very young Lucy, talking to Daphne about how much she loves her two children and wishes the duchess the same joy.

Instead we get Phillip.

The show, goes out of its way to stress how much of a good man Phillip is, once in s1 by taking care of his brother’s pregnant paramour. And then in s2 by being the friendliest stranger Colin could have met in the house of an ex.

And I think that the reason we got to see Phillip and not any of the other love interests. Is exactly because Phillip and Eloise are not ready to fall inlove. He’s too married and she’s too much against marriage for them to work out. Their love story is supposed to be about two people who fell inlove at exactly the right time. Because both wanted to love each other. In the sense that Eloise was finally ready to fall inlove and get married at the exact moment that Phillip was ready to move on and find love again.

I think that the show is going to make Phillip and Eloise story all about right people wrong time kind of soulmates. You know those couples that even if they had gotten a chance to meet in highschool or in college they wouldn’t have fallen inlove because they were different people and they were not looking for love. But then once they are ready to find love, they do meet their soulmate, because it was meant to be at exactly that point in their lives, and not a minute before.

I don’t know about you, but that’s my theory.

With the tea.

#philoise #anti theloise #sir phillip crane #eloise bridgerton

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bedrock-to-buildheight · 7 months

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you got good ass takes on minos and sisyphus hows The Lady and the Tiger by tmbg as a those two guys type of song ? I need peer review on my song associations lol. also do you have any songs you associate with any ultrakill characters ?

It's a very interesting and spicy song for those two, cause in this song, Minos' opinions is represented by the tiger, the more dangerous choice. I like it!

As for my songs for the blorbos, OH BOI YOU UNLOCKED AN UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENE

Below is a bunch of songs and who they're for. Some even has explanation

Gabriel

This Is Love by Air Traffic Controller - damn near a gabv1el anthem. A homoerotic AND homicidal lovesong. Literally the third line is 'I'm an idiot for thinking this was anything but blood'

Dear Wormwood by The Oh Hellos - Gabriel to the Council

Kaiserion by Ghost - same vibe as above, with more anti-christianity vibes

Bitter Water by The Old Hellos - Minos/Gabe, in an anticipatory grief, doomed yaoi kind of way

Would That I by Hozier - highly specific Gabv1el with Minos/Gabe former relationship

Stars from Les Mis (Phillip Quast version)

The Plague by the mountain goats - imo V1 was never made to give much of a shit aboyt humans. It's almost vindictively happy at seeing humanity's hubris catching up to them at last

The Toy Soldier's Song by The Mechanisms (Gunpowder Tim vs The Moon Kaiser) - loyalty is a lot to ask of a weapon, the song

Want You Gone from Portal 2 and Still Alive from Portal

Cry for Judas by the mountain goats - 'But I am just a broken machine, and I do things that I don't really mean'

A Sadness Runs Through Him by The Hoosiers - Gabriel/V2. The story of guard dogs who had bad owners

Minos

Sisyphus

Cirice by Ghost - Minos/Gabe that started out as Minos manipulating Gabe into siding with him a la Drowning Man (fic)

The Music of The Night from The Phantom of The Opera - slow, powerful and seductive. If charisma itself is a song

Ferryman by Shayfer James - despite the name, this is a Minos song. There's a certain indifference to shitty lovers and the insignificance of individual humans that fits him well

Run to You by Pentatonix - Minos/Sisyphus post-Prime. The specific amv scene I have in mind is 'Minos finds him bleeding out after fighting V1 and they share a few moments. Sisyphus realizes that maybe, he did regret one thing'

For the Departed by Shayfer James- Minos/Sisyphus, depicting their final moments before Gabriel arrives in Greed

Villainous Thing by Shayfer James - Sisyphus to Gabriel. An understanding between people who care about Doing Right, but hold too much anger to take the respectable route. Plus a bit of flirting <3

Ferryman

The Moon Will Sing by The Crane Wives - Ferrygabe resentment song <33 They fucking hate what he made them into

Obsessed With You by The Orion Experience - self explanatory

Others

Body by Mother Mother - self explanatory 2. That one piece of unadded ferryman lore hakita dropped is the gift that keeps on giving

Cupid by Fifty Fifty - lmao

Bury My Mother Pale and Slight by Amalgemotion - Virtues song. The chorus is directly calling to Gabriel as 'the knight' who will bring them freedom. I like to think that 'the king' mentioned here is God

For Narmer from Warframe- Sisyphean Insurrectionists

Like The Dawn by The Oh Hellos- Hell/Lucifer

Nothing Changes from Hadestown - The Council

Living in The Light by Ridiculon - The Council

#ask bedrock #if I get fucking read and roasted for my music taste it's nice know y'all o7

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homomenhommes · 6 months

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THIS DAY IN GAY HISTORY

based on: The White Crane Institute's 'Gay Wisdom', Gay Birthdays, Gay For Today, Famous GLBT, glbt-Gay Encylopedia, Today in Gay History, Wikipedia, and more … November 20

1883 – Edwin August (d.1964) was an American actor, director and screenwriter of the silent era. He appeared in 152 films between 1909 and 1947. He also directed 52 films between 1912 and 1919. He co-founded Eaco Films in 1914.

Edwin was born Edwin August Phillip von der Butz in St. Louis, Missouri, to August and Sarah Butz. He was educated at the Christian Brothers College.

He began working with Biograph Studios in New York as early as 1908 and moved to Hollywood with that company in 1910. He starred in several films by D. W. Griffith, who was also with the company, and continued to work well into the 1930s as a writer and director.

In 1916, he entered his name as a candidate for President of the United States, and spoke out against censorship in cinema. The candidate wasn't taken very seriously, and perhaps that wasn't the point. He didn't like the road that his industry was going down, and wanted to voice his opinion in the hope of change.

A co-star, Blanche Sweet, would later bluntly state: "He was a homo." He owned a chicken ranch at 648 South Figueroa in Hollywood and was friends with gay silent film star J. Warren Kerrigan and most likely Kerrigan's long time partner James Vincent.

Edwin passed away from cerebral metastatic disease on March 4, 1964 at the Motion Picture County Hospital in Woodland Hills, Los Angeles County, California.

1916 – James Pope-Hennessy (d.1974) was a British biographer and travel writer.

James Pope-Hennessy was born in London on 20 November 1916, the younger son of Ladislaus Pope-Hennessy, a soldier from County Cork, Ireland, and his wife, Una, the daughter of Arthur Birch, Lieutenant-Governor of Ceylon. He was the younger of two sons; his elder brother, John Pope-Hennessy, was an English art historian, museum director and writer of note. James came from a close-knit Catholic family and was educated at Downside School and at Balliol College, Oxford, but generally showed a lack of interest in formal education and did not enjoy his time at either Downside or Oxford.

Largely owing to his mother's influence, he decided to become a writer and left Oxford in 1937 without taking a degree. He went to work for the Catholic publishers Sheed and Ward as an editorial assistant. While working at the company's offices, in Paternoster Row in London, he worked on his first book, London Fabric (1939), for which he was awarded the Hawthornden Prize. During this period, he was involved in a circle of notable literary figures including Harold Nicolson, Raymond Mortimer and James Lees-Milne.

He left the publishers in 1938 when his mother found him a job as private secretary to Hubert Young, the Governor of Trinidad. Although his time abroad provided the material for his later West Indian Summer (1943), he disliked both the West Indies and the atmosphere of Government House. The outbreak of the Second World War gave him an excuse to return to Britain, where he enlisted as a private in an anti-aircraft battery under the command of Sir Victor Cazalet. Rising through the ranks, he was transferred to military intelligence, given a commission and spent the latter part of the war as a member of the British army staff at Washington.

Pope-Hennessy enjoyed his time in the United States and made many friends there. After the end of the war he wrote an account of his experiences in America. On his return to London in 1945 he shared a flat with the British intelligence officer Guy Burgess, who later defected to the Soviet Union. He had a brief spell as the literary editor of The Spectator between 1947 and 1949, before he decided to travel to France and write Aspects of Provence, which was published in 1952.

He would eventually establish himself as one of the leading biographers of his time; his first effort in this direction being a two-volume biography of Monckton Milnes that appeared in 1949 under the titles The Years of Promise and The Flight of Youth. This was followed by further biographies of the Earl of Crewe and of Queen Mary, for which he was created Commander of the Royal Victorian Order in 1960. He also wrote a life of his grandfather, the colonial governor John Pope Hennessy, under the title Verandah (adapted as a documentary for BBC Television under the title "Strange Excellency", 1964), followed by an account of the Atlantic slave traffickers, Sins of the Fathers (1967).

In 1970, he took out Irish citizenship and went to live at Banagher in County Offaly, and during the next few years produced authoritative biographies of both Anthony Trollope and Robert Louis Stevenson. Trollope himself had chosen James' grandfather, John Pope Hennessy, as the basis for the character Phineas Finn in his novel of the same name. Robert Louis Stevenson was published posthumously and without revision in 1974. He became a popular figure in Banagher, evidenced by the fact that he was asked to adjudicate at a local beauty pageant and the horse fair, the oldest in Ireland. On being given a large advance he returned to London in 1974 to begin work on his next subject, Noël Coward.

Despite being a successful professional writer, Pope-Hennessy was careless with money. He suffered a series of financial crises and often relied on the goodwill of friends to get him by. A homosexual, he was a heavy drinker and frequented back-street bars and shady pubs where he mixed with a rough crowd, associations that eventually contributed to his death when he was brutally murdered on 25 January 1974 in his London flat by three young men. He had been sexually acquainted with one of them.

1941 – Oliver Sipple, the man who saved President Gerald Ford's life, was born today.

Sara Jane Moore attempted to assassinate U.S. President Gerald Ford outside the St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco, just seventeen days after Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme had also tried to kill the president. Moore was forty feet away from Ford when she fired a single shot at him. The bullet missed the President because bystander Oliver Sipple grabbed Moore's arm and then pulled her to the ground, using his hand to keep the gun from firing a second time. Sipple said at the time: "I saw [her gun] pointed out there and I grabbed for it. I lunged and grabbed the woman's arm and the gun went off." The single shot which Moore did manage to fire from her .38-caliber revolver ricocheted off the entrance to the hotel and slightly injured a bystander.

Sipple goes for the gun.

Sipple, a decorated Marine and Vietnam War veteran, was immediately commended by the police and the Secret Service for his action at the scene. The news media portrayed Sipple as a hero but would eventually report on his outing by Harvey Milk and other San-Francisco gay activists. Though he was known to be Gay by various fellow members of the gay community, Sipple had not made this public, and his sexual orientation was a secret from his family. He asked the press to keep his sexuality off the record, making it clear that neither his mother nor his employer had knowledge of his orientation; however, his request was not complied with.

The national spotlight was on him immediately, and Milk responded. While discussing whether the truth about Sipple's sexuality should be disclosed, Milk told a friend: "It's too good an opportunity. For once we can show that Gays do heroic things, not just all that ca-ca about molesting children and hanging out in bathrooms." Milk contacted the newspaper.

Several days later Herb Caen, a columnist at The San Francisco Chronicle, exposed Sipple as a Gay man and a friend of Milk. Sipple was besieged by reporters, as was his family. His mother, a staunch Baptist in Detroit, refused to speak to him. Although he had been involved with the Gay community for years, even participating in Gay Pride events, Sipple sued the Chronicle for invasion of privacy. President Ford sent Sipple a note of thanks for saving his life. Milk said that Sipple's sexual orientation was the reason he received only a note, rather than an invitation to the White House.

Sipple filed a $15 million invasion of privacy suit against Caen, seven named newspapers, and a number of unnamed publishers, for publishing the disclosures. The Superior Court in San Francisco dismissed the suit, and Sipple continued his legal battle until May 1984, when a state court of appeals held that Sipple had indeed become news, and that his sexual orientation was part of the story.

According to a 2006 article in The Washington Post, Sipple went through a period of estrangement with his parents, but the family later reconciled with his sexual orientation. Sipple's brother, George, told the newspaper, "(Our parents) accepted it. That was all. They didn't like it, but they still accepted. He was welcomed. Only thing was: Don't bring a lot of your friends."

Sipple's mental and physical health sharply declined over the years. He drank heavily, gained weight to 300 lb (140 kg), was fitted with a pacemaker, became paranoid and suicidal. On February 2, 1989, he was found dead in his bed, at the age of forty-seven. Earlier that day, Sipple had visited a friend and said he had been turned away by the Veterans Administration hospital where he went concerning his difficulty in breathing. His $334 per month apartment near San Francisco's Tenderloin District was found with many newspaper clippings of his actions on the fateful September afternoon in 1975. His most prized possession was the framed letter from the White House.

Sipple held no ill will toward Milk, and remained in contact with him. The incident brought him so much attention that, later in life, while drinking, he would regret grabbing Moore's gun. Sipple, who was wounded in the head in Vietnam, was also diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic according to the coroner's report.

Sipple's funeral was attended by 30 people, and he was buried in Golden Gate National Cemetery in San Bruno, California. A letter addressed to the friends of Oliver Sipple was on display for a short period after his death at one of his favorite hangouts, the New Belle Saloon:

"Mrs. Ford and I express our deepest sympathy in this time of sorrow involving your friend's passing..." President Gerald Ford, February, 1989

In a 2001 interview with columnist Deb Price, Ford disputed the claim that Sipple was treated differently because of his sexual orientation, saying: "As far as I was concerned, I had done the right thing and the matter was ended. I didn't learn until sometime later — I can't remember when — he was Gay. I don't know where anyone got the crazy idea I was prejudiced and wanted to exclude Gays."

1990 – A London judge convicted 14 gay men of committing criminal assaults upon themselves because of their participation in S&M. All 14 receive prison sentences.

1998 – John Geddes Lawrence and Tyrone Garner of Texas were ordered to pay fines of $125 each after being arrested for having sex in their home. The couple refused to pay and announced they would challenge the Texas sodomy law - initiating what became known as the historic "Lawrence vs Texas" Supreme Court decision which decriminalized homosexual sex.

2003 – The United States Congress passes a resolution condemning all violations of internationally recognized human rights norms based on the real or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity of an individual.

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be-curious-and-not-judgemental · 10 months

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Another installment of the reluctant male re-watch.

We completed episode 4 and 5. There was more scoffing, a few chuckles and less questions. He seems to be fully engaged. Which is a good thing as the Reluctant Male is leaving on Friday for work in another country for 6 weeks. So we've only got a few days to get through the next few episodes. Fingers crossed we can get the last three episodes in.

Observations in no particular order:

1) "I'm not a huge fan of this couple, she keeps talking him into marrying her sister when he has admitted he wants no such thing. It feels repetitive. " I sort of understand where he's coming from. They have great chemistry but it does tend to drag out. Daphne and Simon were married by episode 5 and struggled after whereas Kanthony are in will they/won't they purgatory. But man, good chemistry!

2) "I don't really get the problem with Eloise. Is she planning to marry this guy and if that happens, what will happen to her?" I explain that she marries someone else and I DO spoil it and point out Phillip Crane which confused him majorly as Marina is still married to him. "How are they gonna pull that one off? So this Theo guy and her don't do anything? And why is Penelope watching?"

3) "this guy has to be bi cuz they give him moments of him talking and looking at guys but then he's all out having sex with every woman he meets. He seems pretty free, he's like the anti-Anthony." Which is a great observation about Benedict (I'm kind of blown away at his views sometimes, he's usually pretty clueless in life...)

4)"I like the olive joke. That's the first time he seems to be relaxed and making jokes." I then reminded him of the farm joke and taking his stick out which he replied that he wished Colin was always like that, which I totally agree. He seems more like book-Colin in those moments.

5) "ouch, that was harsh! Poor Colin. Guy seems out of touch... and sort of not part of the show or something. And you say his storyline is season 3? I don't know... how do you turn his character from this guy to like in love with Penelope cuz right now he seems stuck on the other girl." And with this statement, I tried warming him up to Colin and Penelope's upcoming season but so far, he doesn't see it. I shudder to think what he'll say after Colin's final remark about Penelope in the last episode. Breaking my Polin heart he doesn't see the potential... yet.

6) "I like Daphne more this season. Way more."

7) "the Featheringtons are a mess! I like their funny moments but what a disaster family!"

I point blank asked him for his favourite characters. Right off the bat, Portia is mentioned. As well as Lady Bridgerton (which consider me shocked cuz he never really mentions her while we watch). He claims he likes the artist brother the best. He is apparently not a fan of Anthony or Lady Danbury (who he did like in the beginning). He thinks the actress who plays Kate is hot, 🙄such a guy thing to say but also, he's not wrong.

#polin #bridgerton #bridgerton season 3 #the reluctant male re watch #bridgerton season two #thanks for sticking around #almost complete until season 3 drops

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irontrashglitter · 2 years

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eloise and penelope better be lesbian together in the next season because i would rather die than see colin control and abuse penelope and phillip control, neglect and abuse his kids

#bridgerton #eloise x penelope #anti colin bridgerton #anti phillip crane #penelope featherington #eloise bridgerton

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missbrunettebarbie · 2 years

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The only way Phillip Crane makes sense is that Eloise was planning to be Boston Married and Phillip was a rebound. (That's, frankly, the only interesting romance JQ ever wrote.)

I am so utterly repulsed by Phillip Crane I can't stomach him for even one second. So sadly, for me, there is no way Phillip/Eloise could remotely work

#answer #bridgerton thoughts #my thoughts #anonymous #anti phillip crane

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ispeaktheyburn · 3 years

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One of the most irritating things about Marinas depression storyline is that the whole point of it is just to add to Philips trauma and pain. Like her children don’t even miss her. I feel like JQ just wanted a way to show Eloise being a good mother and having the children accept her fairly quickly without having to write about their grief over their mother. Like Marina is painted out to be this bad mother who doesn’t pay attention to her kids and Eloise is the sunshine who brings them the first hint of maternal affection they have ever gotten. I think even in the epilogue Amanda mentions something like Eloise being a better number.

But also knowing people with clinical depression it’s not how people act. In general (of course there are exceptions) they don’t spend every waking moment in bed. Unless you know you can’t tell they have depression. And it really wasn’t too hard for JQ to treat Marina depression with compassion but still be period appropriate. But instead we aren’t meant to care about Marina, just how it affected Philip. Until Eloise comes along and she is happy so of course she fixes Philips misery. I mean Eloise literally witnessed her father die but she has no problems?? Just because she talked about it with her mother.

I can't think of anything to add to this. Just...yes

#bridgerton critical #to sir phillip with love #anti philoise #anti phillip crane #ableism cw

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torchwood-99 · 11 months

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Show Phillip Isn't That Great

And I don't mean just as a love interest for Eloise (which he's pretty awful for.)

He's not the vile worm he is in the books, but he's not the poor, sweet, put upon angel the fandom is trying to pass him off as. Nor is Marina is harridan of a wife he needs saving from.

When Phillip returned to the house and saw Colin there, he completely brushed over Marina's obvious discomfort to invite Colin; her ex, to dinner.

When he made that invitation, it was light out. When Marina reminded him he had barely spoken to her, it was dark (and dark in Summer as well). He had spent hours ignoring her company, and only remembered to ask her the most banal of questions "how was you day" after Marina made him notice her.

Marina was sharp with him, only after he had insulted her and showed her that her discomfort and boundaries were insignificant to him. Then he had the gall to act like a kicked little puppy when Marina was curt with him.

But, you know, Marina was the unreasonable one.

#Bridgerton #Marina Thompson #Anti Sir Phillip Crane #Anti Philoise #Tradwife fandom

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pensbridgrton · 3 years

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why don’t you like phillip? (full disclosure i’ve only seen the show and read summaries of the books, historicals are always a little dense for me to read, i’m just curious!)

so to start - i totally respect that there are PLENTY of people who do like him and love phillip/eloise and to be fair, TSPWL isn’t even my least favorite book because there are things in that book i do love

so overall, it’s just personal things that didn’t vibe with me that might vibe with you so i do recommend making your own decisions.

but mainly:

By the point I was reading this book, I was sick of the daddy issues. (Also fun fact, this was the last book I read before starting the tv show. I binge-read (and reread) the first five books in like three days haha.)

Phillip constantly thinks of Marina and her depression/suicide in TERRIBLE ways, and yes I get that it’s a historical and whatnot, but JQ does a terrible job with describing it and since it’s mostly from Phillip’s POV when it does come up, it just makes Phillip look horrible.

Phillip just makes Eloise into this... muted version of herself. Again, I get that it’s a period piece and stuff, but Eloise turns into Violet in this book (and we never really get more of her in any other books after to rectify this) and it’s really unsettling and makes me sad because while book!Eloise is nowhere near as outgoing and ambitious as tv!Eloise, it just felt... off. (Which is why, while I can respect the direction of the books, it does not feel right for tv!Eloise and how they’ve written her.)

Phillip neglects his kids. He loves them, sure, and is mainly terrified of his own body/masculinity (which I do think is an interesting character trait) but I never like a hero who has to be taught by a woman how to be kind and care for others/kids - especially his own.

Not to mention he gets mad at Eloise for wanting to TALK about their FEELINGS because he thinks that since they’re banging regularly that must mean they have a happy marriage.

Again... the book does a decent job resolving most of these issues... I just didn’t like how they came up in the first place.

I like romances to be about two people who make each other better versions of themselves, and while I think Phillip grew in this book, I don’t Eloise did (or at least not in ways that felt right to me, personally) and I hate that.

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shiveringsands · 2 years

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Am I the only one that wants Eloise and Marina to get together?

I haven't read Eloise's book and only know general spoilers, but couldn't the TV show substitute Marina into the story and still follow the general plot of the book?

I think part of it is I really don't want Marina to be killed off and partly i'm not really vibing TV Sir Philip for Eloise. But also...I'm kinda digging Eloise and Marina being in love and doing their own thing.

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ylenia-pron-eeleneea · 2 years

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I read on tumblr a lot of hate for Sir Phillip Crane.

I just want to say that many anti Phillips have never read anything about the regency era, they don’t even know what the 19th century is but simply turned on Netflix and expect to find unicorns.

Let’s start from the main point: yes Bridgerton is inclusive Thanks to Netflix that added the story of Queen Charlotte, but only that. The rest of the story, however, is that of the 19th century: there are the same diseases, the same social injustices, bigotry and ignorance as that time.

You could then identify the whole show as a kind of What if.

Eloise is therefore like in books: she is intelligent, acute and would like to study how men do it. Over time and above all maturing as a woman she begins to reduce the idea of marriage, especially seeing that she has now remained the only one to be unmarried in the family and also because she had always had the idea that in any case it is despite everything Penelope would always have been at her side like spinsters. But when this does not happen, Eloise realises that she has to face the truth of things: she is 28 years old, she is a woman and she is actually alone because she has always had very high expectations.

For those who say that Philllip is a rapist:

Sir Phillip instead finds himself overnight not only a heiress of Romnay Hall, who belonged to his brother, but also framed in a marriage without love is with two children, without any experience on how to be a husband and a parent. He tries to create a love relationship with her wife but fails miserably, he even gets to have sex with her after childbirth but she is depressed so she doesn’t have this great ability to understand, so she lets Phillip do what he wants. Phillip, however, does not know that his wife is not able to understand, because he has no idea what depression is since we are in the 19th century and therefore thinks that he is consensual but then understands it from the fact that Marina behaves like a raped woman. Sir Phillip gets angry but a lot with her but a reality is angry with himself because he hadn’t realised that Marina didn’t want him. However, after that event it will never touch it again.

For those who say he’s a bad father

Simply in the 19th century it was normal for a father to stay away from his children and for education to be given by the teachers and very often it happened that children saw their parents even and only once a day before bed, only after a few decades did things change, but Sir Phillip was raised in that method and rightly thought it was normal. Anyway, he makes his hammer even if his father was terrible, he is not violent with Oliver and Amanda and very often seeks dialogue that for the times was a rather modern thing. He doesn’t even think for two seconds of remarrying not for himself, for love as a human being should want, but puts his children before his own happiness.

For those who say that Sir Philip and Eloise are not good with each other

Really I ve to write it?

1) Phillip literally treats Eloise as an equal, not as a servant or as women were typically treated at that time, which has always been what Eloise has always wanted in a man, someone who had passions or a little character: in fact Phillip like Eloise has a sarcastic and dry humour even if calmer and more shy.

2) Eloise with her expansive and alive being makes Phillip really happy after years of life spent with a depressed woman and I assure you that living with a mentally unstable person who is a mother to your children is not really a cruise. Eloise, who is one of the strictest people in the world, compromises because she knows that he is in the end a pure person.

3) Read the book I m tired

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