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#FNaF Ruin Theory
imagindragon · 9 months
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Cassie’s Dad is Bonnie Mask from FNAF 4
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Cassie and Bonnie tormenter have a nearly identical skin color as seen in the image above.
The Bonnie Lunchbox has the description that her dad’s favorite character is Bonnie.
Also her dad collects the lunchboxs, meaning he had to be alive in order to collect the ‘vintage’ lunchboxes. At least be alive during Fredbears Diner.
Their outfits sort of match up as well with the red shirts and dark blue pants.
The AR Bonnie mask’s description is out of the blue with “what happened to you?”. At first I thought it was a reference to Bonnie since he disappeared, but AR Foxy mask just has “ahoy”, so maybe it’s a connection to her dad as well.
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pixiemage · 9 months
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I haven't seen anyone else talking about this yet, so I'm sharing a little lore bit I found on a wall outside the Glamrock Salon during my last Ruin livestream. I was doing a Bonnie% run (basically the wet floor bot glitch forced me to restart the game from scratch and speedwalk my way through deactivating all the bots in one go askjdnbajkf) and when I got to the end of the Salon section of the game, I happened to look up with the Vanny mask on and found this on the wall by the bathrooms, right before you loop through the Salon again to get into the Foxy flume ride:
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"Gone for a while. Money for food on counter. Emergency contacts on fridge."
Now, this is a level that is very Cassie-focused from the get-go. We already know Roxy is Cassie's favorite, and as the level progresses we are treated to peeks into Cassie's backstory prior to the events of the game. We see her getting her makeup done with Roxy, we see the sad aftermath of her failed birthday, we see Gregory comforting her afterward, and we then see the Missing posters with Gregory's face on them. So we can only assume this sticky note is also specifically related to Cassie's story.
We don't know much about Cassie's dad, but the game does go out of its way to mention him on multiple occasions. We know he is/was an employee at the Pizzaplex. We know he was a technician of some kind. He has a Fazwrench, he "never told Cassie what happened to Bonnie" (implying he would have known that insider information), and we also see mention of Cassie enjoying the Foxy flume ride despite the fact that it closed before it was ever open to the public.
(Granted, that last one is up for debate, because half of it was a flavor text at the bottom of the pause menu, which isn't always reliable as Cassie voice. I also can't really see someone allowing a child to be a ride tester when said ride was later closed before its open due to "safety concerns"...but then again, this is Fazbear Entertainment.)
We know Bonnie is her dad's favorite, and we know he collected the lunchboxes from the old show, meaning he's been a Fazbear fan for years.
(I also love the theory implying that Cassie's dad could be one of Michael Afton's old friends we see in the FNaF 4 crying child cutscenes, because he has the same hair, skin tone, and shirt color as Cassie and is wearing a Bonnie mask to boot...but that's not a theory for this post.)
But the one thing I always wondered was, if Cassie does have a dad back home who cares about her, then why wouldn't she ask for his help in saving Gregory? Or at the very least, why would he have just let her sneak off by herself in the middle of the day when she can't be more then 10-12 year old at best? And then I found this note...
"Gone for a while. Money for food on counter. Emergency contacts on fridge."
I think Dad isn't home right now. I think he's been gone "for a while" and Cassie has been alone. It's possible that this mystery, where he's gone, is attached to the Pizzaplex too, or at least Fazbear Ent., because this franchise never has disconnected characters be mentioned in passing so pointedly like this without it being secretly significant. Though there's not much of a foundation to build a theory on for that one just yet.
But the note and its implications ALSO echo the story that Candy Cadet tells us in the basement of the 'Plex. A single parent and their child live together in their home while a monster is locked away in a basement. The parent leaves the kid home, the monster lures said kid to the basement by mimicking a familiar voice, and then the kid unlocks the door and sets it free. It's not 1-for-1 because obviously it's not Cassie's dad that the monster at the Pizzaplex chose to mimic, but it's a definite parallel that can't be ignored.
I can't help but wonder where Steel Wool plans to go with this in the next installment, since the cliffhanger they left us on can only mean that the story isn't over yet. It's like they say...it always comes back.
[Reblog edit with additional theorizing about Cassie’s dad can be found HERE]
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crayolascribblz · 9 months
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Fnaf ruin theory/kinda just an idea -- wet floor signs!
Hello!! before you go any further, this will contain heavy spoilers for an easter egg in the fnaf ruin dlc!! be careful :3
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Okay hi, this is about what you have to do to unlock Bonnie's room in Bonnie bowl. Not the one you go though to get to fazerblast, the one with his body in it. The way you get in, if you're reading this despite the spoiler warning, is by deactivating a certian amount of the Wet floor sign bots with the Vanny mask on. (I think its 27?? dont hold me to that though)
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When you get the right amount, a Wet floor bot appears beside the far right bowling alley and the wall infront of the lanes opens up when you deactivate that one aswell. After walking through, you find this!
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Glam bonnie, surrounded by wet floor bots and totally destroyed. Nearly all of his limbs are disconnected and his legs are partially flattened, he's been hit over the head with a bowling ball, his endo's spine is literally broken and somethings clawed at his chest.
But when you walk up to him, his eyes are still glowing.
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He' still ALIVE, somehow. But he's fully immobile, and seemingly nobody has found him since even before security breach. he's been there for a LONG time.
But this post isn't about who did it or anything, it's about these guys.
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Because it feels like such a random thing to make the requirements for the Easter egg, right? Just these little floor guys that have done you no wrong ever. But it kinda changes perspective when you realise you can deactivate the bots surrounding his body.
And when you do that?
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His eyes go out.
Which seems to imply he has some sort of special connection to the wet floor sign bots? And that seems confusing too, because how would he have a connection to them if he can't even move??
But then, think back to how you deactivate them. Through the Vanny mask. So, through the AR 'world'. MAYBE, through fnaf logic, he could communicate through some sort of signal but it was only being picked up by those bots.
If you consider the fact also that his glowing eyes are the same colour as the glowing eyes of the floor bots?? It could totally mean he's seeing through them somehow. (I know I keep saying somehow but it's because this is mostly an idea and less of a theory because I don't actually know HOW to connect it but I know that it feels like that could be what's happening here.)
If you think I'm insane I totally get that but it's sooo suspicious and also it gives me fuel for Sad Bonnie Stuff. :3 have a nice day I hope this was atleast a fun read
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redtoondevils · 2 months
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How the DCA got injuries. Theories.
So, you see those holes they have in their arms, the cracks in their torso, and the ripped pants. Might not only have been caused by getting caught in a rock slide, and the fire as such.
But also with how they lost their part of their face plate. How did it get that badly damaged? If they have fallen down somewhere, and hit their head.
The fall damage done already, I believe that's how they lost their left foot theory. That as Cassie, you'll see a lot of S.T.A.F.F bot scraps every where. Some heads has been decapitated. And their bodies and left in places. That are peculiar, but hard to explain.
The DCA's foot, in this theory would have to be, have to be laying somewhere. To start a damage info, of what caused it.
And then the rest of it, how did they get further damaged. This is my theory. Feel free to have your own. So, I believe that the attendant had fallen down somewhere. That I think that he was trying to get something.
Trying to alert others because of the fire. I imagine, that he tried to alert the other robots, because he's a determined character. But wasn't watching out for himself. Until he fell into an accident.
He may have had an electrical burn. Similar like that of Monty. But it was more of an electrical surge that he fell onto, and it blew up destroying half of his face, and gave him most.
Of the few lacerations that he had on his arms, and torso. That must of caused him/Them the pain that they were having.
And yes, I am aware that there is a theory also, that they may have been harming themselves. (Very sad subject.) But, I would also would like to add, how they have been damaged even more.
So, the burn would have damaged their outer shell. That's probably how half of their face came off. (And also, with the theory of them beating themselves up.) And that burn must of been the one that damaged their pants.
When they pulled themselves out from under the gravel, that their leg must of had the most pressure of being stuck. That they had to wiggle out, and tearing off their pant leg in the process.
I don't think that with them falling, and hitting their face was enough to knock off the face plate. The damage given would crack, and slightly busted open hole or dent.
They're broken shell around their hands may have been damaged by a number of things, such as clawing at the rocks, property harm, Moon, and getting into a fight.
It is evident that the attendants has gotten into fights with the Endo's. The scraps found in the daycare, and in the small closet. But, this is where my theory comes in.
That the lacerations caused on their arms, and a part of their torso, and back. Because they have a missing hoop. Not only they have been attacked/been attacked by the Endo's.
But even the withered Glam rocks. Including the likely Chica, Monty, Roxanne, and Freddy. The question is, is that how did Freddy (The prototype.)
Version of him, got trapped? Where did it come from? Apart from that. The ones that are closer, were more likely to attack them.
Mostly Monty. And Chica. Even Roxanne might of attacked them mistakenly, because she probably couldn't diffenciate between the Endo's, and the Attendants. Is because she probably hasn't heard of their sounds from the common.
And that, she is blind. She may have attacked them. They stayed away from her. Since they are now on free roam, they may have bumped into Monty.
From time to time, and he has gotten aggressive with them. Perhaps, with Chica as well. Because of how damaged she is. Her condition is worse, because she may not be aware of the traps that she falls herself into.
Then when Monty attacked the attendant, he came up and bit their arms, and broke the shell off. He may have ripped out the hook, when the attendant tried to escape. So, I think that they might have also gotten into fights with the Glamrocks, and that was the cause of their injuries that they had.
And the specific ones, on how their loop had gotten broken. It looks like, that some other Robot, had pulled it off. That caused them a great amount of damage, and physical trauma. That they wouldn't be able to fend off all of the Endo's themselves.
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starcloudedsky · 9 months
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what is cassie's connection into the fnaf lore? like who is she? who is gregory? are they just random kids or how do they tie in?
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grapebritain · 9 months
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(RUIN spoilers) FOUND IT
Here is my point proven. Both the post it notes in the downstairs base game of security breach have 3 repeated AND the sun room. Again both also look super similar in how they are drawn
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I really do honestly think whoever was in sun's room is either post it notes person or is somehow related
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gummywurm-gaming · 11 months
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Im insane but listen am I onto something?
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Both have yellow hair and are white, plus how would Cassie get vannessas old mask? By going through her sisters stuff
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hershelchocolate · 8 months
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Gregory was the one to crash the elevator, not the Mimic
Hi I'm making a theory post because me and my bestie are so fucking deep in thinking about Ruin and how it completely changes the game of Era 2 fnaf so bear with me! This one has a long road to get there, but it'll be worth it I promise.
First off, just to establish some ground rules, I am following what Scott himself said about the books when they first came out and refusing to see book-only events as canon. Nothing about the Mimic we see in Ruin can be tied to the version from the books, so I'm not going to be using ANY book material as evidence unless it's also been shown in the games. The books have always taken plot points and twisted them to make something new, the Mimic is no different.
I also think Gregory deserves to be a little shit sometimes but that actually didn't cause this theory, it was a whole thing and I am forcing you all to follow along with me
(All images I use to explain things (as well as some of the points I make) were sent to me by @arcaneyouth thanks for taking the time to go through the game bestie!)
Okay. Hopefully this makes sense.
1. The Mimic that we know goes as far back as Help Wanted
I know I said this was going to be a long rant, so yes we are indeed going this far back so I can establish some things I find vital. After Ultimate Custom Night, Help Wanted was a HUGE shift in the franchise, to the point where everything after UCN is basically its own timeline. Fazbear Entertainment exists, and they did commit crimes, but Scott exists in-universe and there's no evidence Afton is anything more than a fictional villain FE can point fingers to.
Enter: the Mimic
It's been here the entire time, taking the form of Glitchtrap and learning through the code put into the game. All of its distorted voice lines are taken right from Tape Girl's files, and it seems to be emulating the thing that made people so fascinated with fnaf: the murders and who did them. So, it picks the form of a yellow bunny, but it's distorted. Spring Bonnie has never properly existed, so it chooses its own shape, which is easier as Help Wanted is entirely digital (similar to the AR world in Ruin).
Now, the most important part of this is hard mode night terrors: Pizza Party.
Now, it's implied in Help Wanted that you are simply testing this game. You are the next beta tester from the company that got sent the game after Tape Girl's got shut down. The game is unfinished, and still contains her tapes as well as things that wouldn't usually be there during a finished game (I can see why they kept the unfinished Showtime button in there because of this, and why there are some random events that can happen).
So because of this, it's very possible that Pizza Party...doesn't exist.
They didn't have a finished ending to the game yet, but the Mimic had been watching you play, and wanted to keep going. Maybe it was studying you, maybe it was studying the game, but it needs the game to be on to study either. So, to give you a fun final challenge, it creates Pizza Party.
It doesn't make sense. Corridors connect to each other in strange ways, bits and pieces of every single minigame are strewn about randomly, with characters only doing the simplest of actions (Chica going for a pizza, Marionette sitting in its box, Springtrap standing in a doorway, etc.) All of this leads to that finale we all know and love; taking Freddy's place on stage.
And here is where the first thing relevant to Ruin comes into play.
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One thing from this ending dialogue doesn't match up. It's in that third image.
The narrator refers to himself in the first person.
Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but he has NEVER done that in this game before. It's always "we" or "Fazbear Entertainment". Never "I", or in this case "my". It even replicates the exact phrasing and structure of the sentence before it, it's the same sentence. This is the Mimic.
And here's the proof;
2. It literally does the exact same thing in Ruin (aka: how it affected the VANNI system)
Now, those of you who have played Ruin may have noticed that, in certain dialogues, Helpi looks...different.
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Points where Helpi is yellow seem to indicate times when the Mimic is manipulating what it says (anything that tells Cassie how to shut down the security, anything that gets her deeper into the Pizzaplex. Helpi only goes back to blue to clarify what it said to keep her safe while doing it).
But there's one other thing that's different
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Just look at all of those instances of first person language.
And, in case you're wondering, Helpi NEVER does this
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Helpi talks in a very corporate way, always only referring to Cassie herself. Helpi isn't a character, it's a tutorial program.
This implies one really huge thing: The Mimic has access to the VANNI network and what it can do. It's using this to push Cassie further into the Pizzaplex, but there's also one thing in particular it's connected to.
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3. The Mimic learned how to splice together sentences after connecting to the VANNI network
As stated before, the Glitchtrap in Help Wanted is heavily implied to be the Mimic (there is SO much more evidence I didn't touch on) but the most important part was what I stated before: It was using dialogue from other people to make its own sentences. But not in the same way it does in Ruin.
In Help Wanted, ALL of the dialogue implied to be from the Mimic is direct sentences it has taken in their entirety. It's not making something new, it's just repeating back what it's heard. That's clearly not the case in Ruin, it's talking all the time! It's able to instruct Cassie on what to do!
But, all of the things it says are bits and pieces from Gregory's dialogue in Security Breach. ALL of it. It just learned, through Helpi and the VANNI system, how to start piecing together its own sentences that still make sense. In fact, you can hear it very clearly right when you get towards Roxy Raceway, and Gregory announces he "finally has a clear signal", one that lets you hear exactly where all those cuts in the dialogue are happening.
Almost immediately after you deactivate Roxy, you get this popup
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After this happens, there are only a few things the Mimic says to you.
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All of these are direct 1 to 1 quotes that Gregory himself has said in Security Breach. (The exception being Cassie's name, but the Mimic would have had to heard him say it at some point in the first place to have been using it all this time)
As soon as the VANNI network became disconnected, the Mimic no longer had access to what it was using to splice together audio.
The fact that "you saved me!" is said differently twice is even proven by Help Wanted where, even though the line it copies in that ending dialogue is just said again, it's delivered differently.
Which leads to the ENTIRE point of this post: the Mimic did NOT interrupt Gregory in the elevator.
It has been proven even without all of this in-game that the Mimic isn't quite that good at fully replicating things yet. You can hear the splices as soon as you get close enough to it, it even points out that it finally has a clear signal, which was the reason Cassie never noticed before. Not to mention that Gregory never said anything like his speech before. None of that dialogue was in Security Breach.
None of the elevator speech was the Mimic. That was all Gregory.
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theblindgoddess · 9 months
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Theory about fnaf ruin, spoilers a head.
So, at this point we all know about bonnie, and how of you deactivate all of the wet floor boots his eyes stop glowing. Now, that's weird, right?? Why are his eyes glowing???
We also all know that there is probably an ending that no one has yet found where you can fix the other animatronics, given the fact that we can find chicas voice box and shive it back inside of her. We just haven't found out how to fix the others yet.
We also know that to deactivated the security node inside of Roxy we have to stab the fazwrench into her empty eye socket. So it feels like that if you were to find eyes to fix Roxy that you would have the choice to either deactivate her or give her the new eyes.
So guys, what if there's a way to take Bonnie's eyes, that are specific singled out when you find him, and use them to fix Roxy??? It can't just be a coincidence can it??
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naruhinaluvrx · 9 months
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FNAF Ruin Theory
The Freddy in the game isn't our Freddy
Protype Freddy,which is what I shall call Ruin Freddy,looks like Freddy after the Vanny endings,but there are some differences I noticed from our Freddy.
Protype Feddy has "protype" on his foot,which our Freddy never did.
His present box is not only still in his chest,which odd given Gregory opened it and would've needed to throw it out so he can fit,but it's also a different color. Protype Freddy has a green present while our Freddy had an orange present
But on the flip side,I also have a theory Protype Freddy is our Freddy,but not from the Vanny ending. Because stuff like "protype" could have simply been added for the sake of whatever plot,like Madagascar 2 giving Alex his little paw birthmark,and the box color simply being from forgetting what color they used (tho still odd it went from Freddy orange to Monty green 🤔),but maybe he got left behind,possibly from sacrificing himself to get Gregory out when the Pizza Plex collapsed,and got beaten up by the other three animatronics or whoever afterwards.
I say this because why is Chica's voice box still there in Ruin? In the good Vanny ending,Freddy is still able to talk,meaning he would still have a voice box.
I personally prefer Protype Freddy not being our Freddy simply cause FazDad deserves a happy ending,but Protype Freddy seems to have Monty's claws. Though I'm not sure what our Freddy would be a protype of besides just a new model they happened to roll out right before the events of SB,which would be kinda odd with the Gltichtrap virus unless it spreads fast as hell to this new protype Freddy,unless the casing was a protype for a new look which also doesn't make sense given Freddy's art is everywhere. Also the idea that our Freddy is just rotting under some rubble somewhere while his body is a monster makes me very sad.
I'd would also like to add that when we put the mask on,Protype Freddy just doesn't exist,but i'm not sure if that leans into Protype Freddy not being our Freddy or if it leans into that is our Freddy,but something about his head being missing makes his body just not exist in AR.
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jadedazemations · 11 months
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OKAY NEW TRAILER LETS GO
This is all I’ve gathered before looking at other people’s speculation :)
1. The mask we put on in the video has got to be an updated version of the original Vanny mask from help wanted.
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It all lines up perfectly except for the eyes you see when the mask is on. So it has the base of the hw mask and the tech of the sb mask.
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2. The glitchy rabbit-looking jumpscare is the physical body of Glitchtrap from help wanted.
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This is one of the clearest frames, and as soon as I saw it I thought it finally had to be glitchtrap. This isn’t a person in a suit though, since you can quite clearly see a mechanical arm. This might just be lighting, but I think he’s made entirely of metal or has some sort of metallic casing.
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The most obvious pointer for this being Glitchtrap is of course the glitching effect it shares with Vanny, the tech highlights on it’s casing or endo, and the rabbit silhouette. But I would also like to point out that it’s reaching out to us with it’s right hand, in a similar fashion to how Glitchtrap beckons us in Help Wanted.
One other thing is that the teeth, head shape and tear-placed glitch pattern near his right eye really reminds me of the Into The Pit Spring Bonnie…
And this.
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chillisreal · 9 months
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Everytime I rewatch a playthrough I see something new.. I'm gonna do what I rarely ever do and make a theory! Watch me screw it up so bad lmao.
Spoilers for the FNAF ruin dlc and the endings!
I will likely edit back with some screenshots and stuff for reference but for now it's just text.
1. Glamrock Freddy in the Fazer blast... Is not the same glamrock Freddy from the original game. As it is labeled on its foot, it's just a prototype. And maybe your wondering "well what if Freddy was a prototype?" Id like to direct you to the scene where we find glamrock Freddy damaged in the original game. He's on the floor, clearly malfunctioning.. and there is very clearly no prototype label on him. ERGO, ruin Freddy is not our freddy.
2. "Gregory is evil, ohhh Gregory is good" yada yada calm down everybody! Not only do his alignments have yet to be confirmed (though I'm pretty sure he's a good lad), there's multiple things to consider regarding the endings!
On the main ending that is achieved in the dlc.. I'm very certain that it was the mimic that drops the elevator, because as some other people have pointed out, as Gregory is explaining what Cassie just released, he somehow interrupts himself off after a seemingly short cut off in the speaker. And speaks as if he is on some sort of stealth mission. He may seem to be not as empathetic as Cassie and we don't know that much about their relationship, but judging from in game imagery and evidence I'm pretty certain that he wouldn't be that willing to cross her out like that!
Along with the "we can't risk being followed" line. It just doesn't make sense to me, if he was worried about being followed, wouldn't he have tried to leave Freddy behind if we're following the burntrap ending? Also why would he be worried about being followed, Gregory's a bad ass boy and would probably just beat the hell out of whatever tries to crawl out of the wreck after him. I think it's just the mimic changing its mind about killing Cassie itself, and just decided to give her a taste of the situation it was stuck in. All while breaking her hope and trust with that final line, hopefully making her loose motivation to keep trying.
And im not finished even after all that! How would Gregory even control the elevator if he's not at the pizzaplex? I doubt he has a way to do it from wherever he is.
And with the theory of the mimic controlling certain parts of the pizzaplex growing in popularity with the evidence in the books we've gotten, I once again would like to say that the mimic was most likely the cause of the elevator drop.
That's all I've got for now.. maybe I'll add more to it later.
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pixiemage · 9 months
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I'll preface this by saying that I love Monty Gator. He's a HELLA cool character whose presence as an angry puppy dog in Ruin gave me way too much joy, and his boss battle in SB proper was SUPER fun! (I do wish Steel Wool had stuck with the stealing-Monty's-legs plotline rather than his claws, mostly for the sake of consistency but also so the excuse for his leg upgrade could've been so he could do some sick dance moves during shows - but I digress.)
I say this because I'm about to say something some folks might disagree with, but every time I see someone argue that Monty couldn't possibly have decommissioned Bonnie, the arguments they use sometimes make me want to just - throttle people for their lack of logic and their willingness to cling to anything that might help prove their point. There are some really well-thought-out arguments in there too sometimes (Bonnie being decommissioned pre-Monty's-claw-upgrade comes to mind, though I always wonder if the reason that was fucked up was due to the switchover from Monty's legs to his claws, and people assuming his lack of upgraded claws means he couldn't hurt a fellow animatronic without them, even though Moon seems more than capable of ripping apart Staffbots and the Staffbots are capable of wrecking Freddy in the Vanny endings - anyway) and I'm always down to see what alternate concepts folks have come up with! But sometimes - sometimes, not always - when I do watch those Monty-Was-Innocent videos, the folks making them are pulling in proof that feels more like they're grasping at straws, which unfortunately weakens the argument they're trying to make.
The popular one as of late is "the green paint around the claw marks on Bonnie's chest are definitely not from Monty's hands, and it's obviously an older coat of paint that we see because the blue layer was scratched away" which...I mean...good concept in theory, but. No?
Bonnie has never been associated with green. In the Pizzaplex, the Glamrock characters have set color palettes that are associated with their respective brands and merchandise. Bonnie's color set is blue, purple, and red, both in his Glamrock form and his Bonnie Bowl design. In all past games, he's been blue or purple. Even factoring in Springtrap, no version of Bonnie has ever been green, not even as an accent color. So why in the world would Glamrock Bonnie have an undercoat of green paint?
And even if he WAS green at one point, then wouldn't it have shown through in - I don't know - any of the other horribly cracked pieces of his chassis, rather than only being centralized around the claw marks cutting into his chest cavity? Every other crack or bit of damage outside of that chest wound is lined in either black or a darker shade of the surface color, not green. It's an extremely specific design choice on Steel Wool's part and I'm more inclined to believe they designed Bonnie's coloring that way on purpose.
Now don't get me wrong, when someone gives me an actual theory detail where something else left green residue behind, I'll give 'em kudos for thinking outside the box (especially when they're on to something solid). I love when people are able to put together clear puzzle pieces with enough proof to back 'em up. But the "old paint" bit feels so much more like Monty fans grasping for straws and I really wanna see people think harder than that. I want to see something concrete, because I get excited when someone finds something I haven't seen before!
In the Ruin DLC, Steel Wool dumped details in our laps to expand on the breadcrumbs they'd already left behind. They had a neon Bonnie sign be the thing that electrocuted Monty, the carpet Bonnie's body is on matches the carpeting in Monty Golf, and they went out of their way to line the claw marks with green. (And that's not even counting stuff that was hinted at in the base game). I'm all for theorizing alternate possibilities, but if someone wants to form a legitimate argument against Monty being the killer, then at least come up with something strong enough to counter what's in the games.
In truth, a few people have put out some really well-thought-out videos rallying for Monty's innocence, and I respect them for the work they've put into it. They've managed to really make me think! I just want to see more folks like that, people who think about what they're saying before positing their thoughts in a twenty-minute YT video trying to save their favorite boy.
Because let's be real, Monty is a fantastic character. I love seeing people who are passionate enough to fight for him. For me, I still lean heavily into the "Vanny made him do it" camp because people aren't wrong, Monty wouldn't have done something like that to Bonnie of his own free will...but the evidence Steel Wool set out for us to find is a bit too damning for me to think Monty was completely uninvolved. I'm just hoping we get some damn clarity from Steel Wool soon because I think, between Who Killed Bonnie and the disagreements over which ending Ruin takes place after, some minor wars and disputes are starting to break out across the fanbase that I reeaaally want to avoid lmao. Give us a hand here, SW! If you're gonna keep us guessing with everything else, then at least give us the answers to something!
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thebearme · 9 months
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FNAF RUIN DOODLES
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redtoondevils · 1 month
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The V.A.N.N.I network is no ordinary Simulation.
The V.A.N.N.I mask isn't just a hollow gram. Theory. I Believe that the V.A.N.N.I mask, that Cassie wears, is supernatural. I do have a few evidence, as theories. So, the first thing you'll notice right away when putting on this mask. It'll transform the environment around you.
Showing the cracks, and the digital illusions. That looks like in certain area's shows you the power surging inside the walls, where the ports are. And it has the heat vision, to see the robot's all around you.
And where they are hidden. It even shows the parts that are missing, used to be there. That the mask has special technology, to render in. There's already a rumor that the mask, such as the user sees, they will see that the mask tempers with it. That is where things get complicated, with calculated terms.
Such as, when Cassie put's on the mask, she sees visions, such as a photo graph or a structure, or plushies that she is familier with. Represents her memories, and friendship, that she made with Roxanne wolf. There is one soda machiene that shows Roxy's picture located in Monty Golf.
That there is a soda machine near the broken Golf course, that show's Monty's picture in front. If she put's the mask on, and looks at it again, the picture will change into Roxy's. So that is proof, that the mask, somehow show's the memories of the user, who uses it.
So, that is the top speculation. The obvious speculation, of what you see in the environment, that they are illusions. The objects, or the environmental change, is fake. There's that one.
So, lastly...Or next thing, is the supernatural. There's still so much theory as to say, how is the Mask is doing that? Such as, walking through objects. The ones, that you see are hollow grammed, but are solid, that you could walk through them.
And those, that do not look hollow grammed, but you can walk through them. And that the fact, that you could hear voices as well.
Not really sure what they mean? Is the general theory. But of course, the mask is much more to it, (Or powerful wise.) With what it can do. But, not how it does that? This gadget thing...Is proven not to be an ordinary thing.
Which, could also mean. (My theory.) Is that, in the Pizza Plex. The things that you do see, or use. That are rare, are not real. Or 'fake' objects for some reason. That existed in the main game. But, couldn't be found without the Mask. Or, another thought, I had, that those hollow grams, inside the Pizza Plex, did exist.
But you can't see it with the naked eye. It's sounds crazy. But maybe some of those structures, such as one of those Monty seats, that were one of them. Were hollow grams, but we just didn't notice it?
Playing as Gregory, he would have walked through a door, that must of been a 'fake' one. But, just didn't notice it.
So, at the beginning of the game, the first 10 minutes of it, you'll see a hollowgram. I'm just gonna call it a 'Glitching' yellow box. That it physically blocks you, without the mask, but you can walk through it when you do.
That is an object, that might be one of those 'solid' boxes that are...The fake ones, or copies. And you can walk through those ones, but you can't walk through the real ones.
Although, I do have another theory, about those real/fake objects. That...Maybe they might be real, but the mask detects it as a pathway. Or something, and it turns it into a hollow gram. And another one, with the Monty Golf, Light house floaty thing.
It had the same effect. And it feels like a real object. And the masks detects it, and turns it a 'Glitch' giving it the glitched affect. And when you put on the mask. You are able to walk through.
This glitchy theory sounds a bit confusing with that one. But, it's still very strange. This is the part, where I find the most mysterious with this Supernatural thing, where this object doesn't appear as a 'Glitch.'. It is certainly real. I think it is, because. It didn't appear like that.
This would be for a few certain things. But, the main one. Or ones (s) Even the ones, that are not real. Stops you? The main one, that is the real object, is the big Monty seat. It had no 'Glitched' affect on it. It looked totally regular.
And this is the one, that's the most....One of the most puzzling ones. Is that, when the mask transform's that piece to walk right through it. It enables Cassie to go through. And that's the one with the Catwalks as well.
It's like as if, you are walking around with superpowers. That is the part, where you activate those invisible catwalks, and walk above them. With out falling through.
There is no way, any mask with digital scenery can unlock, or create a hidden pathway. (Or like reveal the path. ) Because it's all about seeing things you can't see.
And that, it can open up a portal inside the Mouth, of the Gator. I believe, that the Catwalk was the most activated location to use the Mask, and it's secretive unlocking powers. And Cassie, was able to walk through that. It's like as if, she's traveling between two barries though each other to another location.
And that, is how Vanny when she first appeared, was seen. Hopping along the 'Pick up' line, from the back of the Daycare entry, then disappeared into thin air. I'm thinking that. The mask is more powerful, than showing what you can see. In comparison, that those cannot.
Referring to my quick theory, that the illusions in the Pizza Plex, does exist. In order to see them, is to wear the Mask. Or that, the Mask can summon those pathways with what it can see. Through it's advanced technology. Enabling you the ability to travel through the Map. In places that are usually, and visibly inaccessible.
Now, onto the voices. It is believed, and that for many, that the voices you hear, are the voices, from past event's during Gregory's journey. And Cassie in the Ruin, are hearing them. The specific location, that I found that is the spookiest, is inside the Daycare.
Indeed, you'll hear those voices of the Children, that used to be there before. But what, is most disturbing, and sad about. Is the history, that unfolded with that. The one that links up with the News paper, about a young boy. Being reported, to have been traumatized, by both Sun and Moon.
That again, I don't Sun intentionally meant that. Because, bear in mind that the Virus, is responsible for bringing out, the worst out of them. And, I posted a theory before this.
That, I have said, that it must of been, a miss understanding from the boy. That must of been the after math. When he saw Sun, believing him being the monster. After, being Moon. And changing back. If you listen closely, you'll hear a boy's scream.
That sounds significantly, like the boy that has happened. That happened in the past. But further on, what makes this more than just the past. Is that you'll often hear children's laughter.
And other ghost voices, that usually. Hypothetically, being used as a haunting. This gives these eventful memories, a possible relation with haunting.
The daycare, (Including other locations.) That has the ghostly whispers, are haunted. And that, with the connection of Sun being trapped in that realm. He would be hearing those children's voices, on and on. If he was available.
And lastly, the fake things, becoming real. It's not the hollow grams, I'm talking about the things you activate. And can see. The Giant Endo skeleton, is the big one. And also including the ones, in the Daycare how you put on the mask.
And the star's light up. There's also the road, in Roxy race way, that's been broken down, with the lights off. Can turn back on. And especially, with that ball. I'm not sure, if you know this.
There is this black ball that looks like a pool table ball. Or a soft ball, weight thing. Up in the Atrium roof, at first, it looks like to be a regular ball with nothing going through it.
But, if you put the mask on, and look at it again, you'll see some circuits flowing into it, as if it still has electricity flowing into it. And if it has some kind of purpose with it, or not. (Probably, not.)
The thing, that I find the most mysterious, weird. About, and also very suspicious about it. With how it is affecting Helpy. Is the activating things. There's been a few of them, that in the fake world, operating the real world. Yet, it should not be possible.
Such as the screen, beside the Daycare, with the Two offices beside it. The Roxy's statue. But most Importantly...The Giant Endo. How the hell did that thing wind up there? Where the hell, did it come from?
And, what's so weird, is that. Even though they spawn in the digital world, but the affects of them, connecting into the real world. So, going inside it's mouth, took Cassey down into a vent from the Theatre, and into the basement of the Fazer blast. It literally took you, all the way across the Pizza Plex!
And, with the way, it spawned. Walking into it, it's so physical. It's structure looks legit. Kind of. What is happening here? Is the Mask creating some kind of structure, it builds to connect into the real world? Like this seems the only thing to describe it.
But, can't explain. Ans what's so suspicious about it, is when Heli said, "Oh, it's only in your head. There's nothing to worry about!" Really, Helpi? And how much of this thing, we don't know much about...Nothing to worry about?
So, pretty much. This mask...I think, while the general idea of it, being a digital simulation. But, of all the things it can summon, unlock, spawn, stuff like that. There's so much going on deeper with this thing, that is shrouded with mystery.
That it's not only, used to see things the normal eye can't. It is also supernatural, and harness powers, to travel through things. That it might actually be turning these things into the 'Glitches.'
And break them down. and is connected to the afterlife. It may even manipulate that too. That may be one of those powers, it uses to travel.
Like what the developers said in their main description, is to travel intro the world of the unnatural. It was something along the lines of that. It is...Like many video games, was a hint hidden in the description. Implemented into the game.
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glammiketrash · 9 months
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Monty didn’t attack Bonnie. Freddy did.
This post is not a joke: Ruin gives us enough clues to know that Bonnie was attacked by Freddy the day he disappeared, and Monty saw the attack.
Word count: 2457 words.
Yup, I wrote an entire essay with pictures to take the blame from a fictional gator that became my comfort character. If someone from Steel Wool is reading this: Yes, I’m ok, thanks for asking. If you want to send a cute Monty picture to my inbox, it is open and I’ll be all over the place if you do it.
Now, let me take you with me on this wild ride, because this theory fits the narrative of both Security Breach and Ruin so well that I have to clap at Steel Wool if it is actually correct and not me playing with the puzzle pieces incorrectly. So, here we go!
Bonnie, judging by the golden eyes and his travel pattern, was protecting someone like Freddy did with Gregory. Important damage was directed to the stomach hatch, where a kid could hide.
He has claw marks there, but Monty didn’t got his until the first was decommissioned and was then modified to play his bass.
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The scratches in his hatch are green, but also the cracks over it. It looks like it is his base color instead of paint left by the attacker. The next video is from FazFriends, where they look at every single detail in the Ruin animatronic models. Their analysis are totally worth your attention if you like SB!
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Monty has black nails, even before he was modified to play Bonnie’s bass. They also are kinda blunt, and the marks the attacker left seem more clean and sharp in the ends.
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Now, there aren’t lots of animatronics that have claws. We have Roxy (and I’m guessing Foxy, if he ever existed as an animatronic different to her), The mimic/Burntrap, who doesn’t really seem an option because he’s slow and in life support in SB and sealed in Ruin, and… there’s Freddy. But, and here’s the twist, not normal Freddy, who couldn’t get through gates like Monty until he got his claws.
I’m talking about this thing.
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Not only do we have environmental clues that confirm this attack, but also a key clue that wouldn’t make any sense otherwise.
Let’s start with the Prototype itself!
Check those claws. They are sturdy enough to survive all the damage this model has received, and extremely sharp at the end. Now compare Bonnie and its hand together…
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It’s a perfect fit. The metal is a bit bent in the left, but if you could lower it, the finger length, the palm, even the distance and shape between the thumb and index are the same than the hole in Bonnie’s chest.
If that detail is true, all pieces of the narrative fit together. Here’s what happened, which I will explain further adding sources:
Monty saw Freddy’s prototype attacking Bonnie (who was in safe mode) in Gator Golf’s catwalks. The hurricane hole-in-one was activated, causing them both to fall. He could see the prototype losing its head and taking damage to its leg, but Bonnie was nowhere: he was either able to go back to Bonnie Bowl by himself using the distraction or the fall knocked him out and was dragged there, where he was heavily damaged.
This next part is not so clear, so I’ll give you my version of what I think happened that night: Bonnie alerted police that a kid was in danger. They show up, but Vanessa sent them away, claiming she was the only person there and it was a prank call (False Alarm message in SB). Vanny uses Bonnie’s trust on Freddy against him: she sends the prototype to go after the kid and him. He makes it to Monty’s, where the hurricane causes damage to the prototype, and is then finally attacked and disassembled behind his attraction to silence him and bury any clue or what happened (his parts are all over the place, one of his arms has weel marks, and Ruin follows the PQ ending where Freddy is disassembled. In SB, endos come out from the lines to attack us, and in Ruin we see the zone where his vanity is infested with STAFF robots, both in its normal version and in VR, where a giant STAFF robot is seen being dragged to a door while it leaves scratch marks on the floor).
Fazbear Entertainment pretended they actually looked for Bonnie and found nothing at all. As a final punishment for his disobedience he was actively being erased from existence: most of his art was removed, and some ask for a re-theme of his attraction (Re-theme SB message). They make Monty the main bassist, giving him his green room too.
These changes are being quickly pushed after his decommission: Bonnie still has power when we find him, Monty falls from the catwalks “a month ago” and snaps in half, a place where he goes every time he skips a performance (Monty Mischief SB message), people constantly ask for Bonnie and there isn’t an approved answer to give, the bowling alley still wasn’t given a re-theme after taking out most of Bonnie’s images.
Despite FazEnt efforts, Bonnie is remembered, specially by a depressed Monty.
His body was modified, he was given his bass, his glasses, his room, his role. The higher ups clapped thinking about the possibility of him being even more popular than Bonnie, his disappearance becoming yet another opportunity to make money.
And it was Freddy’s prototype’s fault. His normal life, the person he admired the most, his own body, were taken from him because of him.
From that day, and after getting new claws, his attitude becomes obsessive, endlessly searching for what was left of Bonnie after the rest gave up: destroying fences to explore the undergrounds, constantly missing shows and always being found in the catwalks, even after being snapped in half by the hole-in-one bucket, trying to guess where his body was. His last known location was his attraction, so he should still be there somewhere, isn’t it?
Let me repeat this: he prefers looking for Bonnie in the catwalks even at risk of his own integrity than performing.
There are more details that show us he does care for him: there are four official images left of Glamrock Bonnie in the PizzaPlex, three of them in Monty’s ride, the last one at the entrance of his own attraction, where some animations can still be seen. These cutouts are in perfect shape, while Freddy’s is light off.
There is also a headless Freddy statue that once you go to FazerBlast screams “prototype”.
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It looks like it’s been decapitated by a hurricane, some “cables” coming out of its head like the prototype, which has cables coming out of its neck.
This damage couldn’t have been caused by the earthquake: the head should had fallen to the ground instead of being pinned on the hurricane. Plus, it doesn’t match the theme of the ride, based on cutouts, and while the rest of the elements are placed in scenarios and their composition is clearly studied, this statue breaks the symmetry of the hurricane’s eye element, that is supposed to give you the illusion that you are entering its eye and being pushed out to the main attraction.
What’s more, in a story exclusively about Monty’s past and how he became a solo bassist in the PizzaPlex thanks to Bonnie, attracting the same amount of people than the Glamrocks themselves, a Freddy statue at the end doesn’t make any sense sense at all… Unless it was put there with a very particular purpose.
I like to think it’s part of an environmental story telling from Steel Wool, specially when you read the rest of clues together.
There’s more to say about this statue than the lack of a head: look at its leg damage, and how it matches the prototype’s heavily damaged one, and how the hand that is visible reflects the light making it look like it has long claws despite Freddy having short ones like the rest of the band.
It also has two blue long lines through his chest that resemble the ones in Bonnie’s.
If you still have doubt about how it is part of a scene representing the night of the attack, then you should know there is an easter egg here: if you follow the part of the tornado that goes up, you can see a Bonnie cutout at the very top of it. He’s far away from the rest of the scene and he looks like if he was being knocked by the tornado. If you zoom to look at his face, you can see he has a worried expression.
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Monty didn’t destroy any of the images of Bonnie or his previous iterations, not the cutouts, not this poster, not the bass that belonged to him, even after causing damage to his room.
There is a detail in Gator Golf that is easy to miss: An intact poster of the original Bonnie near a log he uses as a hideout in Ruin (we see him quickly going out of it when we approach it).
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He looks similar to the illustration at the entrance of Bonnie Bowl, but this image is not very charming. He looks half dead, yeah...? If you then go to Bonnie’s, some big screens are still on and advertising pizza. When you wear the mask, they change to a glitched version of the Bonnie animation, where his eyes go blank in a similar way to this poster.
This spot couldn’t have been used by Vanny: it is decorated exactly like the rest of Gator Golf in the base game, which ends with us saving Vanessa and exiting the PizzaPlex together.
The poster also has a drawing of Freddy stuck on it. In this chapter you can also find the Bonnie’s piñata collectible, the first time we can see his Glamrock design and the first clue of him having suffered an attack (it has a big gash in his chest).
He could have easily taken it down if he wanted, specially when it is so close to his hideout and he’s in such a volatile state, but he keeps it right beside it.
But the real Freddy (or, at least, things that resemble him) seems to cause some kind of reaction even in the base game, yes?
The most common example in Security Breach is the arcade version of Monty’s Gator Golf. There are two possible readings for it, depending on if you think it represents Monty’s mind or if you think it has been hacked to change his behavior.
Hole 1 depicts Freddy separated from the group, a big distance between them. Hole 9 shows him in a dumpster, and Chica, Roxy and Monty playing together. He’s never part of the group, so either Monty hates him or he was hacked so he would hate him, right?
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But the main show were he looks happily at him while playing, the fact that he never attacks him even after being hacked, the presence of images of him on other holes all perfectly light and ok like this balloon, and the eye color difference between Hole 1 and 9, make me think Steel Wool is trying to tell us a way different story.
The Freddy in the dumpster is the only one with golden eyes. Hole 9 represents what is happening the night we play as Gregory, the AR part of the AR-cade, and of the main reasons the Monty taking down theory was so popular.
That night, Roxy, Chica and him are working on finding the kid to the point that their cases crack and get dirty, while Freddy not only glitched at the start of the show hours before, but is now also walking around the PizzaPlex doing NOTHING instead of helping (apparently).
It’s the animatronic equivalent of a group project were one of the members does nothing, so you have to do their part and then they show up and are praised. It makes sense he would be angry at the situation and think he’s trash, but even so, there are no real confrontations between them.
But what about Hole 1, then? The answer is the fireflies. There are some fireflies at the left part, but the right, where Freddy is looking, has other set of lights. If you calculate the distance from Chica to him, the center is almost where the hole is, the part of the arcade that is supposed to drag your attention. Having an empty space there feels uncomfortable and a very questionable decision from whomever designed the scene, but if this one is a reflection from reality or Monty’s current mind state, why aren’t Freddy’s eyes gold?
Well, I don’t think he is separated from his band.
I think someone is missing from the picture instead.
Bonnie was erased from the Arcade.
As it was said, these changes were quick and non-planned: they deleted his model from the arcade, but had no time to move and reprogram the positions of the rest of the characters so the space between them was filled. As a consequence, when you play this level, your attention is taken from the hole to the distance between them.
It is void, awkward, it makes you uncomfortable. You know something is missing, but you can’t quite tell what it is yet. It makes you wish there was one more character there even before you knew there actually was.
Once you learn what happened, how his story ties to the place this scenario represents, the void he left in Freddy and Monty specifically, Hole 1 gains a new meaning, and it hits you. When you go back to the PizzaPlex as Cassie and play the arcade, there’s no joy left there. No fireflies, no Glamrocks, just ruins. Two pairs of red eyes and a pile of Nightmare STAFF bots. That’s all that’s left.
But if you still need one more clue to convince you that the prototype was the one that attacked Bonnie, then let me tell you there is a final one that wouldn’t make sense otherwise:
The AR collectibles dialogue.
Cassie always makes a commentary about the things she finds: Monty’s AR plushie being very glitchy, how she wants to add Roxy’s one to her collection, how the her father wouldn’t tell her why they replaced Bonnie and how he was his dad’s favorite…
But she also asks him what happened to him, and gets an answer when she gets the last collectible.
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The AR Golden Bonnie is hidden in Bonnie Bowl, next to a Wet Floor Sign bot.
She hasn’t been to Fazer Blast yet.
But the description answers the question that she asked him: a prototype.
Bonnie was decommissioned by Freddy’s prototype.
And the only ones that know are a kid lead to her death that can hear his agony through the Wet Floor Bots and unreal collectibles, and an animatronic blamed for his death and told he’ll never be him, obsessed with his loss and with finding whatever is left of the person that he admired the most and helped him become the star he once was.
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