#I'm tagging other DreamWorks movies that world probably being included if this was real

[artoatsblog]

Cursed "edgy" reboot idea #1: A "Once upon a Time" style show but instead of classic fairy tail/Disney characters it's done with DreamWorks characters.

The main character is Shrek (now named Sean) who has been transformed into a human living in a rural town.

He one day gets visited by The boy sitting on the moon in the DreamWorks logo who's basically the god of every single DreamWorks movie who reminds Shrek of his previous life.

The moon boy also reveals he has an evil sun themed rival who wants to take over the DreamWorks universes.

Shrek has to go on a quest to find the other DreamWorks characters from different movies to save his world and there's.

The main cast (aside from Shrek/Sean himself of course) include

-Danny, Sean's cheerful and over exuberant best friend

-Flora, a woman from a rich family who has a budding relationship with Sean

And

-Pila, an adventurous man who is suspicious of Sean's new nature

If the show is made in live action all the characters are played by actors who look vaguely like the conventionally attractive versions of the celebrities who voiced them, but if the show is animated all the characters are stylized the way they were in their og films (with new human designs for the characters who weren't human in the originals) but the with the occasional thirst trap moment for the adult characters.

#Cursed “edgy” reboot ideas #shitpost #once upon a time #shrek #dreamworks #I'm tagging other DreamWorks movies that world probably being included if this was real #or the ones that'll just be funny to include #monsters vs aliens #bee movie #trolls #kung fu panda #shark tale #madagascar #how to train your dragon #the croods #rise of the guardians #megamind #mr peabody and sherman

[kingofthewilderwest]

Being someone new to the fandom after following the series for a long time, I was curious: Why do fans seem to argue so much about if the series are canon or not? Personally I find them interesting but.. Less canon, I guess? Than the movies, but I still enjoy watching, and I'm super happy people love it bc any new content is great. Yet browsing the tags I keep finding people complaining that the shows are/aren't canon in a way that really makes you feel bad if you disagree? I'm just confused :/

Hey there, friend! Any new content is a great thing indeed, I’m with you there! It’s something I’m rather thankful for. Whether or not everyone is invested in new material, there’s something cool to say on the matter that we have the blessing of being given more material to experience within our fandom franchise.

Before we begin, I’ll plop links to my prior posts on the RTTE canon discussion (mostly my opinion on the matter, which is canon =/= consistency):

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

And another good post (not mine) about different angles of analyzing a story:

[Watsonian and Doylist]

Sorry that you’ve had a potentially unpleasant experience browsing through the tags for this matter! I absolutely love the HTTYD fandom to tears and love the people in it, but yeah, this is a major point of contention within the community sometimes. 

I’d say that as with anything in any fandom, when there’s material some people like and some people don’t, there’s going to be discussion, disagreement, and sometimes butting heads over it. Some people adore Race to the Edge. Some people don’t. Some people take it seriously. Some people don’t. That’s okay and awesome! We’re all allowed our preference, and frankly communities are better places when people don’t all have the same brain about a matter. Not everyone’s going to like the same thing or look at something from the same angle and that’s the entire point about being unique human beings. We need different perspectives, and if we know how to handle different perspectives, we grow and develop and have better times because of it.

What it does mean, though, is that some fans find RTTE to be full of contradictions to the timeline of the movie trilogy. They’ll talk about how Hiccup’s characterization doesn’t make sense in the context of HTTYD, GOTNF, and HTTYD 2. They’ll talk about how in a world that was supposed to be at peace for the five years between movies one and two, there’s way too much chaos for RTTE to be “real events.” They’ll talk about how Hiccup encountering a Bewilderbeast or dragon trappers or lots of other dragon riders couldn’t happen before the events of HTTYD 2, because then it contradicts his reaction when he learns about Valka the mysterious dragon rider. And other such commentary. It’s hard to get into it all, here. 

Some people who take this position about RTTE being contradictory to [other] canon enjoy RTTE or have casual fun with RTTE. They may or may not call the show canonical. If they don’t call it canonical, it’s because they don’t see it as consistent with the rest of the franchise. Perhaps most of the people who take this position (I say this anecdotally though) don’t enjoy RTTE and don’t accept it… and probably don’t call it canon. While people do try to make logical arguments about the canonicity of RTTE, I know that many peoples’ emotional feelings toward the show get in the way of how they analyze it. It’s how lots of humans work, after all; if we don’t like something we’re less likely to accept something. But regardless, many people take the position that RTTE can’t be canonical because it seems riddled with contradictions compared to HTTYD, GOTNF, and HTTYD 2.

Others don’t see contradictions, try to smooth over contradictions, or don’t care about contradictions. People who call RTTE canonical are most likely people who like the show - again, showing how emotions get intertwined in our arguments, even when we’re trying to argue through logos. XD Most people who say RTTE is canonical either point out it’s really not as contradictory as others say… or if they’re like me… say that canonicity isn’t about consistency at all. Consistency is irrelevant to whether or not something is canonical; canonicity is about whether or not it was officially produced. And in the case of RTTE, it’s definitely not a fanfiction, it’s not made by some independent group of people without official studio authority… RTTE was produced and distributed by DreamWorks on official channels like Netflix, so it’s canon. For many people, it’s silly to revoke RTTE as canon, because whether or not you like the material, or whether or not you consider it consistent with the rest of HTTYD material, you shouldn’t be denying that official material is official material, right? 

The debate can get a little more in depth / complex than that, which you’ll see in the links. But that’s the gist of the main positions.

Honestly sometimes people talk past each other in this fandom discussion. People ARE, after all, using one word “canon” in several different ways - to talk about consistency, to talk about being officially produced, or both in one. (You can also talk about whether or not it’s as Big as the movies, aka a greater canon versus lesser canon thing). The different perspectives have valid points. But sometimes this turns into equivocating, and it’s largely because we’re specifically using the word “canon” to talk about: 

Consistency

Official production status

And then some people try to go after arguments of each, conflate the two issues into one, try to argue both things at once, and all sorts of various tangles. XD 

It’s basically the word “canon” has become problematic, because some people like RTTE, some people don’t, some people take RTTE seriously, some people don’t, some people think RTTE is contradictory, some people don’t, and we’re all trying to use one word to describe that. And we’re trying to use a word that has a lot of “power” behind it. The word “canon” is a pretty serious word - after all, it’s a word that elects whether or not something should be “included” (to some degree or another) in our fandom. So people don’t like hearing RTTE is or isn’t “canon,” given the power behind the word. The word “canon” elicits emotion. To call RTTE not canon could feel like an insult to the show, or to call RTTE canon would feel like inattentiveness to the movies, etc., depending on your position. Even with me, I admit I’m always working on pushing down a pet peeve I have when people treat canonicity as continuity.

I’ve given my piece on what the word “canon” means multiple times, and haha of course I think I’m totally right ;) XD, but given as I’d rather enjoy myself celebrating material I love rather than fall to a topic I consider a sometimes petty discussion (I say this with all love, fandom friends), I’ve elected to quit talking about this at all. It’s a topic I don’t need to be in and a topic I’m honestly tired of seeing. I’ve found a solution. I’ve quit using the spark-word “canon” altogether. I use the synonym “official materials.” I’ve made it quite clear with this synonym what I’m talking about, and no one can say RTTE isn’t official materials, whatever their opinion is on consistency.

Regardless, what’s important is that we all have fun enjoying the things we love. Fandom communities are about coming together and relating to materials we enjoy. If two people like RTTE, we can have fun with it! If two people don’t see eye-to-eye about RTTE, we can squeal about the movies excitedly! That’s truly the core of what it means to come together. 

To be a fandom community and have fun!

And really, even if the HTTYD fandom can get a little bit sour about the RTTE sometimes, all fandoms have their disagreements, and I’ve really found it to be an awesome community filled with lots of positivity, too. Hope you have fun in the fandom, friend, and feel free to shout about RTTE with me if you want!

But yeah that’s more or less why it’s gotten contention. “Canon” is an emotion-evoking word because it has a lot of “power” for what it means about the status of RTTE. Please, no one take my post, reblog it with your opinions on the matter, and spark up another round of debates. That will make me very displeased for you to take my post for that aim. Thanks for understanding!

Hopefully this explanation helps!

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