Semantic games serve only to obscure the truth. There is no ethical concern with doing a D&C following fetal demise, because there is no life to save except the mother’s. The child, tragically, has already died. Removing their body — and the rest of the associated products of conception — from the womb is no more ethically fraught than having to remove uterine fibroids or a too-attached placenta following a delivery.
A D&C procedure, in and of itself, is morally neutral. It becomes problematic only when it is used as a tool of violent destruction. Elective abortion involves the intentional snuffing out of a unique human life. A D&C used to kill a preborn human is very different from a D&C used to remove an already dead body.
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good for jessa honestly! she has 4 kids rn + the new pregnancy, right? im happy for her kids, especially her girls to grow up with more parental attention and lack of sister mommings
Agreed! I really hope she's being genuine. As a mom to so many young kids I'm sure she's realized just how much attention and energy each one needs to thrive, and maybe that's made her reevaluate her parents philosophy on family planning lol. I know as a newlywed she was very much a "as many kids as The Lord gives us!" kind of person.
There's a part of that video where she's talking about having kids and being afraid they won't end up Christian that almost canceled out all the good stuff she said for me, though. In my opinion, part of a child's quality of life includes having an unconditional support system, and the way she was talking about it sounded very conditional, like very JB and Michelle-esque. I could totally be wrong but it does suck to think that she would have all these kids and be completely intolerant if they decided to follow a different spiritual path in any kind of way. Or even cut them off completely just like her parents have done.
But she has grown a little bit in the spirituality area over the years, hopefully that trend continues for the sake of her family.
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A Much–Awaited ESOQ Update!
As of today (November 7, 2022), here are the Predictor's Estimated Sizes of Quiver (ESOQs) for the following Predictor Couples—
The Bateses—
Zach + Whitney (Perkins) Bates 9 Children
Michaela (Bates) + Brandon Keilen 0 Children (Infertility)
Erin (Bates) + Chad Paine 5 Children (Quiver Closed)
Lawson + Tiffany (Espensen) Bates 10 Children
Nathan + Esther (Keyes) Bates 10 Children
Alyssa (Bates) + John Webster 14 Children (We'll See...)
Tori (Bates) + Bobby Smith 16 Children
Trace + Lydia (Romeike) Bates 10 Children
Carlin (Bates) + Evan Stewart 10 Children (We'll See...)
Josie (Bates) + Kelton Balka 13 Children
Katie (Bates) + Travis Clark Unknown; <1 So Far (Birth Control)
Jackson Bates + Emerson Wells 13 Children
The Bontragers—
Chelsy (Bontrager) + John Maxwell 8 Children (We'll See...)
Mitchell + Brynn (Leppert) Bontrager 9 Children
Allison (Bontrager) + Jeremiah Helferich 9 Children
Carson + Carolina (Bowers) Bontrager 8 Children
Joshua + Cassidy (Bowers) Bontrager 9 Children
Denver + Praise (Helferich) Bontrager 4 Children
The Duggars—
Josh + Anna (Keller) Duggar 7 Children (Quiver Closed)
John + Abbie (Burnett) Duggar 5 Children
Jill (Duggar) + Derick Dillard Unknown; 3 So Far (Birth Control)
Jessa (Duggar) + Ben Seewald 10 Children
Jinger (Duggar) + Jeremy Vuolo 8 Children (We'll See...)
Joe + Kendra (Caldwell) Duggar 15 Children
Josiah + Lauren (Swanson) Duggar 10 Children
Joy (Duggar) + Austin Forsyth 10 Children
Jed + Katey (Nakatsu) Duggar 8 Children
Jer + Hannah (Wissmann) Duggar 11 Children (His Data)
Justin + Claire (Spivey) Duggar 5 Children
The [Quiverfull] Kellers—
Esther (Keller) + John Shrader 14 Children
Priscilla (Keller) + David Waller 9 Children
Anna (Keller) + Josh Duggar 7 Children (Quiver Closed)
Nathan + Nurie (Rodrigues) Keller 14 Children
David + Hannah (Reber) Keller 11 Children
The Maxwells—
Nathan + Melanie Maxwell 7 Children (Quiver Closed)
Chris + Anna Marie Maxwell 6 Children (Quiver Closed)
Sarah (Maxwell) + Kory Bollinger 0 Children (Due to Age)
Joseph + Elissa Maxwell 7 Children
John + Chelsy (Bontrager) Maxwell 8 Children (We'll See...)
Jesse + Anna Patrice Maxwell 6 Children
The Rodriguii—
Jill (Noyes) + David Rodrigues 13 Children (Quiver Closed)
Nurie (Rodrigues) + Nathan Keller 14 Children
Kaylee (Rodrigues) + Jonathan Hill 11 Children
The Wissmanns—
Rachel (Wissmann) + Alan Busenitz 7 Children
Ruth (Wissmann) + Ryan Bourlier 10 Children
Josiah + Abi (Rehm) Wissmann 6 Children
Bethany (Wissmann) + Daniel Beasley 10 Children
Andrew + Kori (Knuth) Wissmann 5 Children
Matthias + Michelle (Kingery) Wissmann 6 Children
Hannah (Wissmann) + Jer Duggar 15 Children (Her Data)
Nathanael + Katrina (Sahlstrom) Wissmann 10 Children
Miscellaneous—
Olivia (Collingsworth) + Dawson Aichholz 7 Children
Meagan (Forsyth) + Bobby Ballinger 8 Children
Bethany (Baird) + David Beal 7 Children
Karissa + Mandrae Collins 11 Children
Kord + Grace (Wikstrom) Etbauer 16 Children
Rebekah (Baird) + Daniel Gill 10 Children
Courtney + Christopher Rogers 14 Children
Kristin + Justin Young 9 Children
For those keeping score at home, the Largest Quivers are expected to be born to—
16 Children Grace + Kord Etbauer, Tori + Bobby Smith
15 Children Joe + Kendra Duggar, Jeremiah + Hannah Duggar (Based on Wissmann Family Data)
14 Children Esther + John Shrader, Nurie + Nathan Keller, Courtney + Christopher Rogers
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