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illegal-spiegel · 2 years

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Can you please do headcannons about Spike Spiegel with his pregnant girlfriend? We know it’s bound to happen with him 👀

Oh boy here we go-

Part 1? 👀

Warnings: mentions of spice but nothing too bad, mentions of Spike's past but I made it up (cause I couldn't find anything actually confirmed about it other than what is said in the anime), use of she/her pronouns along with feminine terms

why am I getting the feeling that it's an accident and he didn't mean to get you pregnant? 😭

probably forgets to bring a condom ONE TIME and swears up and down his "pull out game is strong"

and yet here you two are 😭😭😭

nah I'm jk

well, not at the forgetting a condom part

but the pull out game thing

he obvi wouldn't try convincing you to do smth you don't wanna do (definitely gives you the look™️ and wiggles his brows and smirks and says smth about bare backing and-)

okay so MAYBE you two were into it

yeah well now you're paying the price, you horny fiends

you're very nervous to even tell him about it

seeing as how he has mega trust issues from *cough* past relationships *cough*

he probably isn't the type to date

so, if this happens when the two of you aren't even an item

you're shaking in your boots

ofc, if you're dating it's a little easier, but still hard

engaged or married is easy peasy tho dw

let's focus back on the not even dating part tho (and maybe dating depending on how long it's been in the relationship)

he probably wouldn't even find out about it from you directly

he would probably overhear you gossiping to Faye or consulting Jet about what you should do (Faye says you don't need no man cause you're a strong independent woman who can raise a baby on her own) (Jet says raising a kid can be hard and, if possible, you should rely on Spike, and he knows for a fact that Spike would be a man and help you)

honestly knowing Spike, he hears that he's going to be a fucking dad and he kinda just

bolts

oops?

when everyone on the Bebop finds out he left

it's no surprise that you have a meltdown

I mean, your hormones being all out of wack doesn't help at all

so, you lock yourself up in your room and worry everyone to death

Jet, of course, tries to contact Spike and track him down

Faye is cursing him every other second and swearing 'when she gets her hands on him she's gonna murder him'

but it appears he just fell off the map

no one knows where he went

don't worry tho (Y/n) bc our hero comes back <3

he was only gone a day or two thankfully, but ugh you stupid man you shouldn't have left in the first place

when he steps back onto the Bebop, many things happen at once

Faye starts screaming at him and goes to fight him, Jet instantly holds her back but is giving him the Disappointed Dad Look™️, Ein is barking his head off, and you're just gaping at him like a fish out of water

he literally doesn't even react to any of it, doesn't even bat an eye

he just walks over to you and gives you the softest, guiltiest look you've ever seen from him

"Can we talk, (Y/n)? Alone?" he asks softly

with him being closer to you now, you can see the bags under his eyes

"Um, sure," you squeak out before standing up

your heart skips a beat when he takes ahold of your hand to lead you away

"Faye, it's fine," you say as you pass her, giving her a reassuring look with a smile

she stops mid-kick towards him (where Jet is still holding her back) to look at you

she huffs and nods her head, lowering her foot back to the ground

Spike leads you to his room and closes the door behind him, locking it for extra precaution so that your conversation won't be interrupted by an angry Faye or a disappointed Jet

you instantly take a seat on his bed, remembering all the times you've been in this room

each time you've been in this room, talking wasn't exactly the goal

you feel...awkward

especially since he's just standing by the door, refusing to look at you

"So..." you start, hoping to give him a nudge

you outta yell at him until his ears bleed for how he left things

but honestly?

you kinda understand

sure, it hurt that he left, but if someone suddenly sprang on you that your whole life was going to change

you'd freak out too

plus, you know his history

so it's no surprise he reacted the way he did

he and commitment have been beefin for years

"Look, I'm sorry for leaving like that. I just..." he trails off, sighing as he runs his hands through his fluffy hair

it looks messier than usual, almost like he's been tugging at it relentlessly

"Spike, it's okay. I understand. I'm still mad at you, but I get it," you reassure, clasping your hands into your lap

he sighs in relief at that part, finally bringing his gorgeous eyes to yours

he opens his mouth to say more but you quickly intervene

"Listen, Spike. I don't expect you to help out. I know you have your whole "I hate kids, animals, and women" thing, so I won't make you have to put up w-"

"Can I talk?" he asks

he doesn't say it in a rude way, if anything, his face is scrunched up like he's in pain

"Yeah, sorry. Sure," you apologize, nodding your head to give him the metaphorical floor

you watch him take a deep breath, his strong chest expanding with the air

"I left to go clear my head. I didn't want to have to think things over with your puppy dog eyes always staring at me, with Jet's dad voice always lecturing me, with Ein giving me the stink eye as he camps out at your feet or in your lap, with Faye...being Faye. I just...I needed to think."

you nod your head in understanding, remaining quiet so he could finish what he had to say

"At first, I thought there's no way I could be a father. I mean, I don't even know the first thing about being a dad! But then..." he trails off once more

you, again, stay silent, giving him an encouraging nod

he closes his eyes for a moment

when he opens them, he suddenly looks determined

he walks over to you and kneels on the ground before you, his hands going to your knees

"But then...I couldn't stop thinking about you. Everywhere I went. It didn't matter where because there you were. Always there. In the bar? I remember the time you smashed a bottle over a bounty's head. In the Swordfish? I remember the times I taught you to fly her. In the fucking men's restroom, I imagine your sweet face covered in my cum after I came all over it."

you blush at the last part, not expecting things to take such a dirty turn

but of course they did. It's Spike you're talking about

"Shuddup," you grumble, smacking his chest with a shy smile

he grabs your hand as it hits his chest though, squeezing that hand as he looks up at you

"God, and that smile, it makes me weak. You make me weak. I used to hate having weaknesses, it's why I distance myself from everyone and everything. But then you—you—wiggled your way right into my cold, dead, black heart and decided to make yourself at home."

you want to avoid looking at him out of embarrassment but you can't bring yourself to look away from his eyes

his eyes are bearing into your very soul, his brown eyes making you feel things that only he can make you feel

"Spik-"

"What I'm trying to say is...I love you. I'm willing to try to make this work if you are. That kid brewing inside of you is mine and I don't want them growing up without a father like I did."

you're flabbergasted, to say the least

"But what about Jul-"

"To hell with her! I don't care about her or what she did to me! I care about you! I want you! I want to live in the here and now and have a baby with the woman I love."

you blame the hormones on the way he has you crying with joy

because you're so emotional though, you can't speak

so, he starts to fear that maybe he made a mistake, maybe you don't want him to be the father of your child, maybe you don-

oh, just kidding. You're kissing him now

you two share a passionate kiss before pulling away, chests rising and falling quickly

"I love you too," you whisper reassuringly before giving him another kiss. "I can't wait for this journey we're about to take." Another kiss. "This means so much to me." Is that another kiss I see? "I can't thank you enough." You guessed it, another kiss.

he has to stop kissing you from how much he's smiling

"Don't thank me. Even if I didn't want to be active in the kid's life, I was still going to help you. I'm not the kind of man who just pumps and dumps."

your nose wrinkles at his words, but you smile and nod nonetheless

you then can't help but to give the man you love another kiss

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your-brilliant-lady-m · 3 years

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Part 5 - Basic Concepts of Miraculous Ladybug: Guardians

Helloooo! Did you think I was done? No!

My PhD thesis chapters were approved last week, so have some celebratory meta. I haven't seen the latest Season 4 episodes, so do forgive me for not being up to date.

Welcome to the next part of my analysis of the basic concepts of Miraculous Ladybug. Today we are talking about Master Fu, Order of the Guardians and how little everything here makes sense. I highly recommend reading previous parts to fully understand this one, but I'll try to quote most parts of earlier posts.

Order of the Guardians

Order is an international and ancient organisation (New York Special showed us the guardian from North America and he was dressed like Su Han). Presumably, Miraculous jewels were created by these people. Guardians are responsible for the preservation of jewels and knowledge about them. They also distribute Miraculouses to worthy people around the world to combat mostly magical threats, but sometimes jewels are used against normal threats too. It's implied that Master Fu used Miraculouses during WW2 when he was in Paris. Perhaps he performed some spywork with Marianne, but the magical nature of his interferences was discovered and he was forced to flee, before returning to France many decades later.

Why does the Order need so many people to take care of a 3 Miracle Boxes? If its only purpose is to preserve knowledge, keep magical secrets and distribute Miraculous jewels then wouldn't it be more logical to have Master-Apprentice system? It's much easier to keep magic knowledge a secret and train a few people in martial arts than doing the same in the self-sufficient temple full of people, keeping in mind that a good part of them are teenagers and children, who are bad at keeping secrets. Also a single person can travel around the world much easier to give out Miraculouses. Imagine that we have a few active guardians traveling the world with Boxes. What do other people at the temple do in the meantime? They teach the next generation about the powers of each Miraculous and Mirakung Fu, but besides that?

Master-Apprentice system gives us more personal conflict between Fu and his mentor and makes his relationship with Marinette and Adrien more nuanced. In this scenario Fu accidentally caused the death of his Master at 14 because he wasn't careful. It makes sense for him to take on only 1 or 2 students if this is how things were done with Miraculous Guardians. This Wang Fu is very cautious and protective, he spent the majority of his life afraid of hurting someone else and never took an apprentice as a result. But now he is ready to try again, since he is not getting any younger and he likes these 2 kids. He wants them to succeed. Maybe Master Fu, becomes the father figure for Adrien in this situation and a guide for Marinette. Just think about it. This way writers avoid the need to develop all these extra characters (Su Han) and traditions related to the Order. All inconsistencies I mentioned before and later in this post are gone now! Hell, even memory loss and the changing of the Miracle Box shape could make more sense. We also raise the stakes post-amnesia, if it happens of course (the whole Season 3 finale didn't make sense, so stay tuned for my next meta). Marinette and Adrien are on their own now, there's no one who can give them answers. It's very fun scenario, which has potential to be brilliant. Any thoughts on that?

The existence of Order of the Guardians is not quite a secret, at least it wasn't in XIX century China. Master Fu in "Feast" says that guardianship was considered "a great honor". It implies that people who lived close to the temple of the Order knew about Miraculouses and what exactly guardians did for the greater good.

The existence of other Miracle Boxes around the world makes sense from a real-life perspective. Writers have the ability to create many stories set in the same universe and use them for merchandise and an almost unlimited amount of content. Judging by the unholy amount of specials in production, this is exactly what the creators are going to do. It probably won't go down well, but who knows?

However, it doesn't work in our main story. The main conflict is Paris-centred. Gabriel's motivations revolve around Emilie's resurrection and Season 4 gives us more reasons to suspect that Adrien's mom wasn't as wonderful as everyone says. Hawkmoth still remains the main villain of the show and most likely it's going to stay that way. There's no point in moving the main story to different places for the sake of introducing more Miracle Boxes from around the world. Ladybug and Chat Noir aren't needed to fight something halfway across the world unless Hawkmoth also changes locations.

LB and CN are centrepieces of this franchise. They brought success and money to ZAG. Creators constantly need to remind the audience that this new piece of media with new characters who will never be mentioned again is connected to Miraculous Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir. Writers have to come up with reasons to include our heroic duo into the story even if makes no sense.

New York Special had to introduce American Heroes whose names rarely come up in the fandom because people stopped caring about them or their stories shortly after the release of the Special. I barely saw any content dedicated to them. In order to bring LB and CN into the story, you have to include Hawkmoth too. Gabriel suddenly needs to get his hands on the Eagle Miraculous and goes to USA. Marinette and Adrien suddenly have a class trip to New York. Unfortunately, their presence in this story is required only to expand the world of Miraculous and attract fans of the show, so that they could keep an eye on new content related to newly introduced characters.

In the end, it's not their story. Events of the special don't affect main story of the show and the development of the love square is merely an illusion, because Adrien and Marinette are no closer than before. In season 4 LB and CN are growing apart and their test of trust in NY Special doesn't matter. Perhaps, some people don't see it that way and it's their right, but I find it hard to see NYS as a valid contribution to canon. I mean, even people in large portion of the fandom state in the tags on AO3 that "specials are not canon", "specials didn't happen" or "ignores both specials". It speaks volumes about continuity and preferences of your fandom.

Shanghai Special didn't give us more information about the Order, which is located in China, history of Miraculous jewels. We still don't know much about how Gabriel and Emilie found Peacock and Butterfly. Maybe, Marinette's family had connections to Miraculous jewels. Maybe, Adrien does some snooping and discovers research his parents made while Gabriel is away. All of these are relevant to the main story. However, we got something much different in the end.

Marinette chases Adrien across the globe and they make new friends. Fey becomes Ladydragon and now has a direct contact with Marinette through her uncle. Gabriel's desire to get his hands on the Prodigious comes out of nowhere. Apparently, he had been planning this trip for years, presumably even before Adrien was born. It probably happened at the same time as Agrestes found 2 Miraculouses. He bought bracelet-key (which is also a Miraculous apparently, but its Kwami is a Guardian of the Prodigious and they existed separately for a very long time - and let us not dwell on this mess) from some shady mafia boss, who can easily find out just who Gabriel really is (fashion designer billionaire) and use this information to blackmail him. This Special didn't answer important questions, but it gave us a new superhero character.

The real question is whether Miraculous as a project will survive long enough for writers to create content for every minor character they introduced in all specials. This is only a beginning after all.

Miraculous is not a global show and it can't be globalised in a way that makes sense, at least with Ladybug and Chat Noir in the centre of action. Case closed.

Mirakung Fu

I liked the idea of Mirakung Fu introduced in "Furious Fu". It makes sense and things rarely do in this show. Miraculous grants its holder superhuman strength, stamina, endurance and ability to fight. This means that essentially transformed heroes are guided by magic in combat. There's nothing personal in the way Miraculous holders fight. You can predict their moves and learn how to fight this magic guidance, which is what Su Han does.

However, if the holder has any special training, skills or knows any martial art in their civilian life then they become more dangerous opponents during transformation because now their fighting is a mix of magical moves and their personal knowledge, tricks and style. Therefore, Adrien and Kagami as skilful fencers have more chances of winning against someone who knows Mirakung Fu than Marinette, for example.

Memory loss

At the end of season 3, we find out several things:

apparently, now Miracle Box can change appearance to suit its guardian;

when Guardian passes down the Miracle Box to someone else, they lose memories not only about everything related to Miraculous, but also about pretty much everything in their life (Fu doesn't recognise Marianne, instead he experiences the love at first sight)

Master Fu trains Marinette to be the proper holder and next Guardian off-screen. He says that her training as the holder is complete in "Feast" and wants her to become the next Guardian. Fu told her lots of things, and yet, he never mentioned the fact that he would lose his memory after relinquishing the box, nor the fact that Marinette would lose her memory afterwards. She finds out about this from Wayzz after the battle with Miracle Queen and the letter that Master Fu gave her. That's not proper training! How on Earth do you forget to mention this memory loss? How?

Master Fu's amnesia is a convenient plot device that removes him from the narrative almost completely. That's mostly all there is to it. Why? Because it doesn't make sense.

Fu was around 7 or 8 when he started his training. The disaster at the temple happened when he was 14. He stated that his training was never complete, which means that he never passed any magical ritual, never swore an oath or was bound by some kind of spell that made him subjected to the rule of memory loss.

Miracle Boxes belonged to the order, not Fu. Their design reflected their country of origin because these Miraculous were made and kept in China. They were just standing there on the shelves not magically bound to anyone in particular. When Feast attacked, monks just tossed Wang Fu the miracle box and grimoire. No one at the temple lost their memory after Fu took the box with him (Su Han is the proof). Su Han not only remembers Fu and his mistake but everything that happened that fateful day as well. In "Furious Fu" Marinette explains Su Han that Master Fu lost his memory in the very first conversation they have. However, after Ladybug and Chat Noir fight Su Han on the roof and escape with the Miracle Box, the latter searches for Fu and attempts to take his staff from him. In this scene, Su Han acts like Fu knows very well what is going on and who he is.

Su Han should be aware of the memory loss rule as the Celestial Guardian. He remarks on the different shape of the Mother Miracle Box and calls her "incorrect", which means that Su Han should have been able to easily tell that previous Guardian lost his memory and the Miracle Box is now bound to someone else. But he doesn't say anything. Moreover, since Su Han is supposed to know about amnesia, he seemed awfully chill about forcing this 14-year-old girl in front of him to give up the box and her memories. Hell, Chat Noir wasn't on board with this. But we get zero reaction from Su Han.

During the first conversation between Marinette and Su Han, he doesn't ignore what she is trying to say, instead he actively comments on every word. Even if Su Han didn't listen when Marinette told him about Fu's memory loss, than he still should be able to understand that Fu doesn't recognise him, because of common sense and the "incorrect" shape of the box. But nothing of the sort happens. Because writers apparently forgot that "memory loss" is supposed to be known to everyone in the Order. On-screen it looks like Su Han is not aware of the "amnesia rule".

"Furious Fu" makes the concept of memory loss a plothole no matter how you look at it. Just like "Timetagger" and "Chat Blanc", as well as "Kwamibuster" this episode is not consistent within itself. It does not surprise me, however.

Grimoire and Guardian Staffs

Let's talk about the Miraculous Grimoire. Good things first.

There are no illustrations of Miraculouses in camouflage. Kwami can't read its contents, only guardians can. Certain elements are written in riddles as an additional precaution. The book contains only the information people have learned so far, which means that Miraculouses have more unexplored potential ("Mr. Pigeon 72"). It describes powers of each Miraculous, provides information about weapons, has instructions for potions that don't make sense (see previous parts).

Unfortunately, everything is about to go downhill from here.

Guardians are taught how to read the writing in this book. They can read it just like people learn to read texts in a different language. This means that one can read Grimoire like any other book (you don't need to consult some guide to decode each letter or word). Master Fu proclaimed Marinette an almost fully trained Guardian. He should have taught her how to read the Grimoire then (he doesn't know the code very well, but he knew enough to understand the general meaning and content of the book according to "Collector"). He didn't. We don't know why. He shows her powers of every Miraculous but doesn't teach her the code.

Master Fu knows that Grimoire now belongs to Gabriel Agreste. He knows that it's dangerous for someone else to have it. If they knew how to read the Grimoire, they could discover all secrets of Miraculouses and harm Ladybug, Chat Noir and other heroes. It's very important to keep the information about the code top secret because Fu is not the only one with the source material.

What does he do then? Master Fu proceeds to write a French translation of Grimoire for Marinette, a translation that he doesn't even need. He carries it with him at all times on a tablet (without any precautions) just like the Miracle box after "Feast". Naturally, it means that in "Miracle Queen", Gabriel and Nathalie easily managed to get their hands on the tablet and Miracle Box. It allows the plot to happen, sure. But it doesn't make any sense.

"Furious Fu" created another curious plot hole. It will probably be ignored, of course. Su Han has a staff with a magical compass that allows him to find any Miracle box, but not the Miraculous jewels for some reason. How does the staff work? Can it locate the box without the Miraculous? If yes, then it seems useless. What's the point in the ability to locate an empty box? If it can locate the box only with the Miraculous jewels inside, it implies that the staff can track the location of every Miraculous too. So, Su Han could just locate the Butterfly and Peacock without any problem. But he talks about reassigning Ladybug and Black Cat to adults and defeating Hawkmoth like locating the Butterfly is not possible. This situation makes the Guardian Staff a simple plot device that creates plot holes and its only purpose is to explain how Su Han found Marinette.

Also, I have a few more words to say about this. Master Fu had a Guardian Staff that was never mentioned before. I wonder why? That's because the staff didn't exist before "Furious Fu" was written. Writers just went: "Do you know what would be cool? If Fu's cane was really a secret Guardian Staff with a compass all along that he decided to keep even after he lost his memory? It would make people wonder whether Master Fu is faking amnesia, and everyone will definitely call him an awful mentor after this even though we kind of tried to make him a good and responsible person."

Fu didn't give it to Marinette and didn't mention it to her. Why? When he gave up his memory, he should have written about this in his letter at least. Why did he decide to keep it? He can't use it anyway now.

Please note how in the flashbacks Fu didn't take any staff with him when he escaped the temple. Su Han seemed to know how Fu's staff looked like. It means that Master Fu didn't make this staff himself, because it belonged to the Order.

Su Han wasn't even surprised that Marinette didn't have the staff as the current Guardian. Was she not supposed to have it? He never questioned the fact that the former Guardian without memories has the staff. Su Han actually returns this staff to Fu after he is deakumatized and Fu acts like they have never met before. Why did Su Han gave the staff back when he knows what it is and to whom it should belong (to him or to Marinette as the current Guardian)? The staff is useless in the hands of the civilian. Does Marianne know about its secret? We'll probably never find out, unfortunately.

Guardian Staff of Master Fu has a compass too and therefore this also makes it a plot device, just like Su Han's staff.

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