#Terentia

[just-late-roman-republic-things]

Terentia married Sallust?!

I REALLY need to read him!

(Anthony Everitt, Cicero)

#anthony everitt #terentia #jlrrt reads #jlrrt speaks #ancient rome #the great roman clusterfuck #sallust

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[lesbianshepard]

Cornelia:

Mother of the Gracchi brothers! Highly intelligent and influential woman who educated her sons and helped shape their political careers. OG Roman MILF

Clodia

Catullus' "Lesbia" Wealthy and highly educated woman who had a talent for poetry (none survives :( ) Cicero hated her and called her "the Medea of the Palatine" (huge W for Clodia) Known for taking many lovers and accused of incest with her own brother (Catullus did not take the breakup well)

Fulvia

The first (real) woman to appear on Roman coinage. Married to Marc Antony (her third husband) and very involved in politics. Cassius Dio wrote "the following year Publius Servilius and Lucius Antonius nominally became consuls, but in reality it was Antonius and Fulvia. She, the mother-in‑law of Octavian and wife of Antony, had no respect for Lepidus because of his slothfulness, and managed affairs herself, so that neither the senate nor the people transacted any business contrary to her pleasure." Plutarch wrote "Fulvia wished to rule a ruler and command a commander and she schooled Antony to obey women." (marc antony is into femdom he's just like me fr fr) Acted as both a political and military leader.

Agrippina the Younger:

One of the most powerful of the Julio-Claudian women and a big influence on behind the scenes politics. Mother of Nero by her first husband. Was exiled for a conspiracy to assassinate her brother Caligula, but later returned. May have poisoned her second husband in order to marry the Emperor Claudius. She was the one to convince Claudius to name Nero heir, instead of Claudius' own son. May have poisoned Claudius in order to make Nero emperor. Ruthless, ambitious, and domineering #girlboss. Fave moment was when Nero engineered a boat designed to sink specifically to assassinate her. She swam to shore, realized her shitty son had tried to kill her (again), and wrote a letter to him letting him know that she had survived a terrible accident by divine fortune.

Messelina

Third wife of Claudius and hugely influential, directly responsible for the execution of several people and tried to get young Nero assassinated so that her own son would have the throne. Hated Agrippina for obvious reasons. Executed for a conspiracy to assassinate Claudius. Pliny wrote a famous (and certainly fake) story of her challenging a famous prostitute to see who could sleep with the most men in one night. (Messalina won at 25)

Julia the Elder:

Augustus once famously remarked that he had two difficult daughters: Rome and Julia. Married off by her father several times, all for political reasons. Clashed with her controlling father on many occasions about her spending, behavior, etc. Augustus passed laws making adultery a crime and then had to exile her for adultery (after killing and exiling her lovers) She was popular with the Roman people, who petitioned for her recall from exile, and was known for her kindness, intelligence, and wit. She never returned to Rome, and died in exile.

Livia:

Wife of Augustus and first Roman empress. One of, if not the, the most powerful and influential women in the early Roman Empire. iirc she was the first woman to be deified. Cassius Dio wrote "Livia was destined to hold in her lap even Caesar's power and to dominate him in everything."

Hortensia

A skilled orator, best known for her public speech given in the forum in protest of a tax put on women to fund the civil war after the assassination of Caesar. She was successful, reducing the number of women taxed down to 400, with new taxes on men being levied to make up the difference. (Using this image of a fresco from Pompeii because there's, surprisingly, no art I can find of her from a google search)

Empress Theodora

Byzantine empress. She was the daughter of a bear trainer and an actress, and worked as an actress and prostitute in her youth. Married the Emperor Justinian and became his advisor, preforming jobs that were usually only done by the emperor (receiving envoys and corresponding with foreign rulers) and helped pass laws for women's rights.

#i wanted to include terentia and servilia but you can only have a max of ten #so suggestions for 'other' i guess #also wanted to keep it like. completely factual women that we know existed #but shout out to rhea silvia lucretia cloelia tarpeia etc #also wanted an honorable mention to eumachia but again #max ten options

[catilinas]

it’s because you’re always on that goddamn epistulae ad atticum

#terentia voice #beeps

[tityre-tu-scurra]

Out of context Cicero:

"You must know, your grandma has died because of your wish."

Epistulae ad Atticum, I, III, 1.

#been reading stuff to get to know Terentia #seems like he mentions her in the Letters to Atticus so I'm getting into them #out of context Cicero #my beloved #marcus tullius cicero #gerrarum tag #roman tag

[cithaerons]

cicero is allowed to insult brutus and brutus is allowed to insult cicero but no one else is. i hope that helps.

#actually terentia is allowed to insult cicero i'm on her side #servilia is also allowed to insult whoever she chooses if she feels so inclined

[aristocraticvision]

Chapter 52: Family Matters

It was at the beginning of Cicero’s term as praetor that several important events took place.

First, Quintus Cicero’s wife, Pompeiia – the sister of Atticus – was delivered of a healthy baby boy. Now little Marcus Minor had a cousin near to his own age to grow up with.

That Spring, Cicero’s beloved daughter, Tullia, having grown to young womanhood, was engaged to his young assistant, Gaius Calpurnius Piso Frugi, in a betrothal ceremony at Frugi’s family villa outside Rome. All four parents showed great support for the young couple. Yet it was that very support that led to one of Cicero and Terentia’s most horrible arguments when they returned home that evening, for she was surprised that Frugi’s parents had been so excited about the marriage.

“And why is that, my dear?” Cicero asked innocently. "We've always been on such friendly terms with Frugi's family."

“Are you serious, Marcus?” Terentia snapped. “After all you have done to make enemies among Rome’s oldest and finest families, you can ask that question? I’m surprised they were even willing to go through with the wedding, seeing that you have become Pompey’s man through-and-through!”

“Oh, Terentia,” Cicero said, dropping his gaze. “No matter what anyone says, Pompey obliterated the pirate threat in only seven weeks! Not the three years we had given him, but in only SEVEN WEEKS – a testament to his planning and skill as a general and admiral. Pompey is a hero in Rome – perhaps not among the boni, but certainly among everyone else.”

“Well, if he could finish the job so quickly, it was obviously less serious than he portrayed it,” Terentia snarled. “Besides, while you may think the boni the only men in Rome who have a low opinion of your master, think again. No aristocratic family in the city supports that beast!”

“Which is the problem, woman!” Cicero snapped back angrily. “A plague on the stiff necks of the aristocrats! They’d see Rome fall altogether before they would support a man from Picenum – or Arpinum, like me, for that matter!”

At that, I slipped out of the the room, though I could hear the two of them screaming for hours to come.

Secretly, I believe Cicero felt no differently than his wife on the subject of Pompey. But once committed, Cicero would never abandon him – and, of course, there was no denying the general’s dazzling success.

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#ts4 story #ts4 simblr #simblr #ts4 historical #historical simblr #ancient rome #marcus tullius cicero #family matters #chapter 52 #Tullia's engagement #another argument with Terentia

[breitzbachbea]

Yoooo, cool new book found.

#beablabbers #grau mein freund ist alle theorie #I do love the Terentia of the Cicero Trilogy a lot and and I LOOOOOOVEEEE late republican senatorial wife networks #i love politics that both uphold the patriarchy by playing by its rules but still carve out a bigger space in it than ever officially #acknowledged

[e-pistulae]

in today's letter: cicero has apparently been bombarding tiro with letters! his financial situation is once again: bad! cicero is still hasn't paid back terentia's dowry! dolabella still hasn't paid back tullia's dowry! and cicero asks tiro what the Vibe is after octavian marched on rome!

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#tagamemnon #cicero #e-pistulae

[marcvstvllivstiro]

What strikes me about the letters from this period of time is how you can feel Cicero's complex emotional state even in the most innocuous statements, like at this point he has lost almost everything he ever cared about, he's lost Tullia, his marriage with Terentia is long over, the republic as he knew it doesn't exist anymore, and he is truly a man without a purpose in a world he doesn't recognize anymore and You Can Tell. by the way he tries to pretend that he's successfully given himself over to otium and philosophical questions and Yet. he keeps asking about the state of things, still desperate to at least know what's going on when he can't influence it anymore. he's lost and powerless and you can feel it 2000 years later

#e-pistulae

[just-late-roman-republic-things]

Do you speak German? Because if so, I'd recommend you reading "Livia - Macht und Intrigen am Hofe des Kaisers Augustus" by Christiane Kunst and "Terentia und Tullia - Frauen der senatorischen Oberschicht" by Karen Ermete. I'm reading these currently/have read parts of them for an essay and I really like both of them.

I do not know German, but the fascinating articles I keep running into in that language make it extremely tempting to learn! Thank you for the recs!

#putting this in my to read tag for later reference #and also in case any german speakers are interested! #to read #book rec #just roman asks #livia drusilla #terentia #tullia #karen ermete #christiane kunst

[marcusagrippa]

i call perjury he was not pro at sex hewas mediocre at best. the cicerussy was not it trust me my best friend terentia told me everything

#cicero

[marcvscicero]

ok i've narrowed down my masters' dissertation ideas ... and i THINK i'm gna go for Cicero's view on women in public vs private (how he talks about women in the courts, such as Clodia, vs his treatment and thoughts of Tullia + Terentia, especially in his letters) ...

does anyone know off the bat any particularly good primary OR secondary sources (apart from his letters obvs) that could b useful for this??? i've found quite a few interesting ones already, but ....

#tagamemnon #cicero #marcus tullius cicero #i

[catilinas]

IT’S TERENTIA WIFE OF CICERO THURSDAY.

ANSWERING THIS A WEEK LATE BUT YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

#girlboss terentia and her real estate empire Real #beeps

[tweedstoat]

“The great Roman statesman Cicero exchanged many loving letters with his wife, Terentia, during their thirty-year marriage. But that didn’t stop him from divorcing her when she was no longer able to support him in the style to which he had become accustomed.“ (X)

ok 1. I dont think thats what happened not even because we’ll never know about the motivations of some historical figures but mainly because there could have been so many other reasons Cicero and Terentia’s marriage broke down altho yeah money probably contributed to it

but 2. Gold-digger Cicero and his sugar mommy Terentia is such a funny take that i actually think it should be true so im supporting this

#im researching the rise of the sentimal family/the concept of marrying for love #cause i have to write an essay for one of my classes on feminism and the law #and this floored me #like nah it wasnt the exile or the pressure of the civil war or being on the loosing side of the civil war #OR his stalling political career later in his life #or the fact that money problems strain many relationships #he was just a gold-digging hoe #and then he married a teenager for her money (allegedly) #and he became the worlds first sugar baby old enough to be his sugar mommys father #Cicero #ancient rome tag

[catominor]

i just know terentia divorced cicero over email

#maybe not true literally but true spiritually to me