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trutrustories · 6 months

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STUDY IN LOKI ROMANCE

Part 2: Breaking Brad

Since we're only a few days away from the last episode, I decided to COUNT DOWN everything we´ve got so far ( that can be interpreted very easily as romantic ) and discuss what the actual fuck is going on with second season. Because even though I shipped lokius practically from S1E2, I absolutely did NOT expect this kind of development. (Not that I´m complaining)

Warning: This is gonna be LONG post, lots of screenshots, lots of SPOILERS, lot of "oh-my-god-they-so-cute" language, and little bit of meta.

I originally thought that this post would be everything at once, but since I have just too many screenshots this time around, I´ll have to split it. so every post will be one episode. Color coding means:

IIIIIIIIII = anything, that coud potentialy be just acting choice.

IIIIIIIIII = everything else (tzn.: whatever was written, and/or carefully prepared by filmmakers. )

side note: I already wrote, about how amazing it is, that Mobius is unable to fight but fights anyway and how beautifuly, and ridiculously brave he is HERE. But this is about Loki/Mobius interactions, so I´ll try my best not to talk about THAT. (Even when I´m really happy, that s2 continues with this formula and Mobius is still his completely defenseless while aggressively brave self. I love him, btw.)

EPISODE 1 HERE

Okay, Check-list, ep 2:

11) matching suits part 1 THIS ⬇️ costume department did a great job and they look badass together also, they´re walking very close to each other.

12) Loki defending /saving Mobius from Brad (with magic!) also, Mobius, dear, (my beloved) you were really going for it! Always so ready to fight! I can´t xD

Loki "don´t u dare hurt him" Laufeyson, look at his face!

13) Mobius and Loki struggling to assemble IKEA furniture- sorry Tapmad together

14) " And he knows..." I mean yeah, sure. keep remind us, that Mobius knows everything about Loki, and saw him at his worst, so we can appreciate even more the fact, that Mobius likes him and cares for him so damn much 💚🤎

15) Loki finding Mobius´s joke amusing Mobius: cracking joke right after Loki´s threatening speech:

Loki:

16) Loki being very concerned for Mobius after his outburst, saying that It´s okay, and then suggests having pie because he knows Mobius so well and is avare of the fact, that his man is stress eater I´m gonna cry they´re too pure for MCU someone adopt them

17) Bickering like married couple (part 2) 18) The whole freaking pie scene!

Just them, sharing calm, intimate moment together

Mobius opening up to Loki, and admiting he "lost it"

Loki trying to make him feel better and absolutely KILLING IT! btw, I know, that some people think, this scene doesn´t make sense, because Loki didn´t "lost it" during avengers, but was controlled by mind stone, etc.... well I think that it actually doesn´t matter. Guess what else doesn´t make sense? For example the fact, that they already talked about Loki fighting Avengers ( during their first meeting.) Loki is aware, that Mobius saw New York invasion at least twice now, and he´s telling him anyway. I would say, that point here is Loki trying to lift Mobius´s spirit, entertain him, make him smile. Why else woud he start his monolog by "remember, when...?" And I think, that this is huge, actually: Loki, using his bad memory, defeat, his humulianting experience to make Mobius feel better. So not only, that we see, he no longer care about being rurel but we see him making lightly fun of it FOR MOBIUS´S SAKE! He has different priorities now... our immortal god is a grown man now... it´s just so fucking beautiful... 🥺

Also Mobius saying to Loki: "come on, you´re the God of Mischief" Like it´s a best thing in the world, and Loki gives him THIS LOOK! (I mean that head tilt would be considered "acting" category, but I´m already making concessions by including all these things under one number :D

19) Loki and Mobius: mischievous duo

Mobius trusts him so completly!

They both such a drama queens!

And they works so well together!

like... seriously, Brad didn´t see this coming, AT ALL! xD

also... Loki complimenting his plan?!

20) "They say opposites attract. NO." Mobius´s wishfull thinking xD (But hey, it IS true. Opposites attracts. And works greatly together. That´s the only reason, why, for example, trope like grumpy one/sunshine one is so popular!) I can´t! just look at his face 🤣 Oh honey! just calm down

He is sooooooo NOT chill here xD bless him

21) Loki, not following Sylvie, but actually staying with Mobius and comforting him. AGAIN. (which is an absolutely glaring contrast compared to episode 2 in first season!)

#loki spoilers #lokius #loki season 2 #loki and mobius #MCU #mobius m mobius #mobius #owen wilson #tom hiddleston

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faverna · 5 months

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Ok it's loki season 2 finale rant time bitches

!¡ SPOILERS and crying ¡!

Ok so first, omfg its a tree

With fruit! Or sparkly whatever things. Doesn't matter. I could be thinking too much (I am) but I think it's kinda of cute to think about how loki takes all these lives and choices and worlds and helps them grow into a beautiful living force of nature. One that creates life and great things all on its own. This contrasts the whole loom idea. The loom takes all these lives and choices and worlds, chooses the ones it wants, and weaves them into a single, artificial, "perfect" thread. It's like nature vs. industry kind of.

Second, AAAAAAAA LOKIUS

The way mobius' ending line echoed and it zoomed in on loki's face is my new roman empire. Also the way mobius turned New York alien invasion loki into self-sacrificing, god of stories loki is crazy. Ship them or not that's amazing. They are besties and also definitely in love (imo) your honor. Back to the original train of thought. I would assume loki can see/hear into timelines to a certain degree. Which means he could be watching mobius from afar which is enough to make the tears start. And does mobius know this? Is that why he waits there a little longer? I can see him sitting in a room alone talking to loki and just hoping loki can hear him. And maybe loki responds despite knowing no one can hear him 😭 cryimg. Maybe they don't even speak they just sit there knowing the other is thinking about them. It's so tragically cruel that just as loki realizes that what he really wants is his friends back and to not be alone, he loses his friends and becomes alone forever. He finally gets his throne. Which is another thing. I might be wrong but I think I remember loki talking about how he never wanted the throne of asgard he just wanted his father's love and stuff like that (idr what movie) which is even more painful. He chased a throne he didn't want his whole life in an attempt to gain other things. When he realizes he has what he wants he loses it. Similar to how in ragnarok thor tells him he was always loved, loki just didn't realize. And how thor says loki could've been more if he just let himself be more. And mobius told loki (who didn't get to ragnarok) he could be someone good. Loki finally finds the truth in these things, he can be good, but he loses everything he really wanted in return.

We arrive at three, mobius leaves the TVA

This scene hurts too. Mobius says he belongs at the TVA and he likes it there. And honestly, I (because as not him I am oh so qualified here (sarcastic)) agree. I can't see him living the life he has on the timeline. I can see him settling down but idk something feels off (it's not with loki /hj). After loki leaves he looks absolutely miserable at the TVA though. Mobius lost his purpose when loki found his </3 and now the only thing he can do is try to live some semblance of a life. Loki lost his best friend but so did mobius. And now he has to leave his life's work and try to live like a normal person who hasn't had their world ripped away from them. Me personally, I would feel hopeless.

Oh and fourth, where the fUck is he

It was probably said at some point but I don't remember, I'm too lazy to look, and I don't actually need an answer. But what kind of messed up outer space dimension are they in? Where is the TVA? Can't be in space because then someone would conquer them. And where did loki go? He ripped open space and now he has a chair somewhere. Speaking of which. My man has a chair. Just a chair. A rock chair. Barely a throne. Ignoring all the awful stuff I just spent ages typing that's a pretty awful way to spend the rest of time. Speaking of which part 2. Is loki immortal now? Because last I checked he had a lifespan of 5000 which is not "for the rest of time" sooo?

I'll probably think of more I wanted to say but hopefully I got most of it. Just needed that out of my brain it was and still will take up too much space.

#My friends arent marvel nerds :(((#loki series #loki spoilers #lokius #loki season 2 #mobius #thoughts #my roman empire #ramblings

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diamondcitydarlin · 2 years

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Just for fun, are there any circumstances under which you might have actually shipped S-lki? I'm not a fan of it either but sometimes when I have a NOtp I try to make it over in my mind until its palatable lol

Unpopular opinion, but actually yes, because I enjoyed Sylvie and I honestly loved her dynamic with Loki in the moments where he wasn't acting weird and lovestruck and, her, uncomfortable lmao. I liked when they were arguing, exchanging quips, when Sylvie would call Loki out on something and he wouldn't be able to argue with it bc he knows she's right (and I wish there could've been more of it from Loki's side too towards her, fair dos and all that).

The problem for me is mostly two-fold:

- Yes, as far as we can tell they are the same being, share the same family members and are for all intents and purposes more or less twins (not quite, but that's about as close as one can get to a real life comparison and it's mostly true). Again, this alone didn't necessarily have to be a dealbreaker for me, but I don't like that it's never really addressed? Yes, Mobius acknowledges it as strange and maybe even toxic in Loki's last interrogation, but I feel like we're being led to believe this isn't a reliable take to have on the relationship because Mobius is feeling angry and betrayed and speaking from a place of hurt. Like yall, even Jamie and Cersei are known to have debated the strangeness of their dynamic back and forth. There were real, tangible consequences. Cause like, if you're going to do a plot that is more or less incestuous? Don't be a fucking coward about it. Acknowledge it for what it is instead of pretending that everyone's discomfort with the situation is just contingent on shallow factors (you know this was their attempt to shut up anyone in the audience that had issues lol). OR make her not a Loki variant maybe. She could have easily been Amora for instance and we could've avoided this whole discussion. I'm not even sure why making her 'another Loki' was so necessary tbh, considering there are apparently no female Lokis anyway except for her. Even though Loki is supposed to be genderfluid and chaotic regardless so why on earth WOULDN'T there be more if not QUITE A FEW fem Lokis running around- is anyone else's brain melting yet?

- The other issue for me being the fact that Loki falls so hard, so fast, trusts her so hard, so fast, and reprioritizes everything so that she is first. His ultimate motive and concern is her. Now, short of him being under an enchantment, I find this behavior both an annoying and nonsensical choice for what we know of Loki's character thus far, and establishing the potential of a romance between Sylvie and Loki doesn't necessarily require dumbing Loki down and changing his personality completely or even making Sylvie his first priority after they've known each other a collective 12 hours. Compared to Lokius, we see the slow progression of Loki lowering his walls for Mobius and gradually, piece by piece, falling into a kind of trust with him. We see Loki's eyes start to light up more and more every time Mobius talks or does something and it just seems a lot more organic of a progression to the character we've been watching for the past 10 years. And I mean...even after Lokius' development heavy scenes in ep 1 and 2, Loki ultimately still chooses to go through the portal door and against what he promised Mobius he didn't do. Whether this was justified of him or not is another debate, but I can say that it feels much more naturally 'Loki' to make many missteps in a close relationship first and not necessarily jump right to prioritizing that person above all things after a few cute dates. Because ultimately Loki has trust issues and giving all of himself like that to anyone so quickly, after knowing them such a short time doesn't feel honest. I can't imagine Loki trusting anyone that hard without first having a long period of development in which he fears it and subconsciously tries to sabotage things. GIVE ME CONFLICT.

- I lied, it's three-fold and this one is a lot simpler, because we literally got two episodes of a carefully constructed, slowburn, gentle dismantling of Loki's defensive walls with Lokius, such that really felt like a natural beginning to a close dynamic for a character that has never and probably will never trust easily, and then by the end of ep 3 we're told 'nevermind forget about that, Loki's in love with this person now ok?' and it's just...weird? Why not just focus the entire show on that so we're not having to deal with the whiplash that results from 6 episodes essentially being two different shows entirely? Why not give most of the time to the relationship you've deemed should be most important to Loki? It might have been better! It's like when the person with the stronger presentation goes first and leaves everyone after them to pale in comparison lol. It's strange to, in the same 6-ep length show, give Loki both well-written and forced relationships and expect the audience to find them both equally good. It's also not fair to whatever potential Loki and Sylvie might have ever had tbh.

-But honestly...the relationship was always going to be stronger/better as platonic, considering especially Marvel's history of mashing together any fem-presenting person with any masculine-presenting person that shares screentime with them. There is nothing about them, imo, that begs anything other than frenemies/chaotic twins/gay bestfriends.

That said though, yes, it could have been better and it maybe could have even been something I enjoyed if some simple alternatives had been taken instead.

But this is just my take, as always your mileage may vary

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trutrustories · 6 months

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STUDY IN LOKI ROMANCE

Part 6: Conclusion

Warning: This is gonna be LONG post, lots of screenshots, lots of SPOILERS, lot of "oh-my-god-they-so-cute" language, and little bit of meta.

IIIIIIIIII = anything, that coud potentialy be just acting choice.

IIIIIIIIII = everything else (tzn.: whatever was written, and/or carefully prepared by filmmakers. )

EPISODE 1 HERE

EPISODE 2 HERE

EPISODE 3 HERE

EPISODE 4 HERE

EPISODE 5 HERE

Sooooo 51 lokius moments, that were completely and utterly unexpected, but yet here they are. Why? Let´s start with over look at what we´ve actualy got: Things that could technically be just acting choices and Tom´s and Owen´s chemistry together:

unexpected exhibition of touches

Distressed God and his Happy Face (at O. B. office)

Loki finding Mobius´s joke amusing

Loki´s head tilt and smile at Mobius (in pie scene)

"They say opposites attract. NO."

Another exhibition of touches (ep 3)

"let´s be as close as we physically can" challange (at Timley´s spech)

Loki glow up (Loki fixing himself for Mobius/Don)

Loki being very nervous and stuttering while talking to Mobius/Don.

Loki gently helping Mobius/Don through the time door. Things that are deffinitely NOT just acting choices:

"Mobius It´s me!"

"Tell me, you recognize me!"

scene in in an elevator

Mobius and Loki talking to OB.

bickering, like married couple, part 1

"Mobius if I don´t make it back" and "You´ll make it back".

Mobius risking his life SKIN for loki and refusing to give up on him.

Loki saves Mobius in an epic fashion and they end up in a hug:

matching suits part 1

Loki defending /saving Mobius from Brad (with magic!)

Mobius and Loki struggling to assemble IKEA furniture- sorry Tapmad together

" And he knows..."

Loki being very concerned for Mobius after his outburst, saying that It´s okay, and then suggests having pie

Bickering like married couple (part 2)

The whole freaking pie scene!

Loki and Mobius: mischievous duo (Breaking Brad)

Loki, not following Sylvie (at the end of episode 2)

matching suits part 2

"And they lived happily ever after..." circle transition

Loki and Mobius enjoying popcorn:

Also... Bickering like married couple (part 3)

"You know sometimes I forget, that you are one of them... Blows my mind!"

Mobius supporting Loki in using magic...

Victor/Ravonna - the most transparent mirror ever:

THE TANDEM BIKE

Loki going with Mobius, not even thinking about it anymore.

changing clothes together

Bickering like married couple (part 4)

The "misunderstanding trope"

Pie scene number two

Shot with only two of them, right before the end of ep4

Loki looking for Mobius in PIE ROOM

Loki Time slipping to the theater room

Mobius/Don casually informing Loki, he´s a SINGLE dad and telling him his entire work schedule

Loki time slipping to Mobius again (right when he started to be hopefull and Happy, that O. B. will be able to help him.

Mobius/Don dropping everything and forgeting about his two mischievous sons so he can give Loki full attention

Wanna buy my wife´s jetski?

"A beautiful union of form and function"

"You saved my life, when I first arrived. You saw something in me, that I hadn´t seen in myself."

"I want my friends back. I don´t want to be alone."

"It was more about what I wanted."

"It´s not about where, when or why. It´s about WHO."

So... let´s scrap the theory, that romantic tention is created only by chemistry between actors (though it IS amazing and also key ingredient) and their acting choices. Because so far, screenplay, and cinematography was supporting their story as well. I feel, like I should clarify, that I do not expect Lokius kiss, or blatant confirmation to happen. I was here during Johnlock debacle. And I was here, when Destiel ended... the way it ended. And I refuse to put in creators (especially when it comes to marvel/disney) any hope, that I know can be crushed so very easily. I´m not doing this shit again. If it happens? WOW! I´m gonna be surprised. very pleasantly surprised. I will litteraly never shut up about it

But I do not expect it. Not even now, when I saw, what are creators of Loki able to put out in the world. Like this for example:

Or this, very brutal death scene:

And yeah, I am avare, Loki officialy CAN have male love interest, because it was confirmed in a text, that he´s a bi.

Also there was this (very misleading) article few years ago:

Still. I can´t bring myself to hope for anything explicit. But I absolutely understand anyone, who have that hope. And I know, how great feeling it is, while it lasts. Anyway. I´m gonna look at all possible options, I can think of. Even some, I feel, are more possible then others. And maybe answer is not just one. It could be more things at once.

Explanation number one: Creators took notes on how season 1 was received. And they saw, that Mobius is very popular, well-liked character, his interactions with Loki were favorite moments according to majority of an audience, and decided to lean more into that, for viewer´s sake.

Same with sylvie. Once they saw her romantic relationship with Loki isn´t that popular, they decided to give her her own agency, own story instead.

Explanation number two: They genuinely think, they are showing deep friendship between two bros and nothing more. I mean... Loki getting close circle of friends and wanting to stay with them is a one of the bigest themes this season. They are trying to make a point about Loki changing bacause of them (and probably making sacrifice for them) But there is still very intentional difference between his relationship with Mobius and everybody else. Mobius is obviously the most important one of the bunch.

Explanation number three:

Creators want romantic scene with Sylvie and Loki to be big surprise at the end, so they tried to show as much problems and conflicts between them, as they could and limited their screentime together.

But I personaly think, this would be stupid for many reasons:

Making Mobius and Loki focus this season caused people to rooth for them, and be invested in their relationship more.

They showed multiple times, that Sylvie wants from life very different things, then Loki and their philosophical views differ greatly.

It doesn´t look like creators put enough effort into building up this kind of ending to be satisfying. It would just feel like they´re trying to surprise / shock audience. Explanation number four: They think that what they are doing with Mobius and Loki is father/son dynamic. (I´m sorry, but this would be just hilarious. If this is the case, I would love to know, what they were thinking, when they decided to leave Owen´s line: "You´re just a little pussycat" in there. Or when they look at all those acting choices and said YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.)

Explanation number five: They´re queerbaiting the hell out of us. And their master plan is to make us all watch and having hope and then they will throw in the finale some last minute no homo explanation and wil laugh in our faces.

(I suppose I don't have to say how much I like this option *sarcasm*)

Explanation number six:

Creators would like to make Lokius canon, but they are restricted / they´re not allowed to. So they decided to go as far, as they can. To give us little (big) nods, to give us those beutiful scenes. To double down on everything lokius related. And they know what they can get away with before casual viewers notice that there is something gay happening. (I mean... it looks like they can get away with anything but kiss at this point :D Like seriously. I saw people talking about how beautiful Dean and Castiel´s friendship was EVEN after finale, so...)

Explanation number seven:

They are doing Love triangle thing, where they will try ultimitely "please everyone" by giving us some scene that could be potentialy seen as romantic between Loki and Sylvie AND between Loki and Mobius (while leaving it for interpretation) In Czech republic, we call it: "when the wolf ate well, but goat is still alive."

Explanation number eight: They ARE able to make Lokius canon, but they actually like podtext more, then posibility to make it transparent, and that is just the way, they want to tell this story.

Explanation number nine: They were planning to make Lokius a thing (if not from the start, then after season one) and they made whole season this way, so more people would rooth for them. And it will end with some form of confirmation of their love story. ( as I mentioned above, I can´t see this happening, but that is my bad experience talking. If it happens, I deffinitely won´t be mad about being wrong here, I can promise you that :D )

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I gues we will know more about their intent after episode 6. Right now, I´m actually just hoping, that story will stay consistent as much as it can. And characters won´t die. On the contrary I hope, they will end up happy, because they did earn it. I have to say, that I enjoyed this season even more then the first. And I really do hope, that finale wont make me change my mind. Regardles of intention, this show is high quality and it is obvious how much care was poured into every aspect of this season from effects, cinematography, costums, sets, music, acting... I think, that this show is a best thing marvel did in a long, LONG time.

Also please, pleaseeee let this season end at the place, where it will be possible to see Loki and Mobius in other MCU project (I would honestly watch anything, where they appear together)

And lastly: If it doesn´t end the way you wanted, please please don´t let anger to rule your actions. Do criticize as much as you want, but please don´t harrass anybody. At the end of the day, creators of this show are also just people. Don´t say anything, you wouldn´t say into their faces. If it will end badly, watch your favourite, comfort gay show, celebrate how much Lokius fix-it fanfiction we´ll have! And how much art already exists because of those first five episodes.

Or take that frustration and turn it to motivation: maybe you can create something better!

I was there in 2017.

Please just don´t let TV show ruin your whole year and your creativity.

for people who got here and read it all: I really appreciate it! Thank you! 💚

PS: Sorry for my english and all the grammer mistakes I´m aware it´s not ideal 😅

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