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#and that's why so much of lena's s5 anger is reasonable to me
sapphic-luthor · 3 years
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have we ever talked about how visibly hurt lena was when she realised she had disappointed supergirl
#this is like . very sad to me#at this point she only knows supergirl as 'the woman who judges me based on my name' by her own admission in s2#but that kind of guilt and hurt in her eyes gives away that she clearly doesn't Really think that about supergirl#or if she does then she desperately hopes that's the not the case-- this is the hurt of somebody who thinks; i've let her down#and why would you care if you've let someone down unless you really hoped that they believed in you?#like this is . lena's cornered and outnumbered and they really fucked this whole situation up#because she was defensive and nervous and had every single right to be because she had been trying to save her friend#and then the whole deo and mon el and imra and supergirl and alex and people she otherwise 'trusted' sat her down and grilled her#and this is like a bad interrogation. she didn't do anything wrong and she knew that but#i think she kind of hoped that supergirl might stick up for her here; just a bit#might say 'hey let's hear her out; this is her best friend and she was just trying to help'#and honestly i think kara was pretty close to leaning that way anyway#and then as soon as lena had to admit she used kryptonite.....#and she KNEW. in this scene when she has to tell them she used it she delays and delays and pauses so much before admission#because she knows what it's going to do.#she knows it will cement her as a threat in the eyes of the woman she so desperately hoped would believe in her against all odds#but that was kara. kara was the one who would go to war with the world on the belief that lena was good. not supergirl.#and that's why so much of lena's s5 anger is reasonable to me#anyway!#supercorp#lena#kara#mine#one of these is way worse quality than the other but pls look away i cannot help it
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buddha-in-disguise · 4 years
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I haven’t had a chance to watch 5.17 again yet, but some initial thoughts.
1st things 1st, there were some sublime choices from Melissa Benoist as the Director. I have a couple of screen captures of the ones that immediately spring to mind. She definitely showed her nuanced understanding of the characters, and that really was so fantastic to see. She deserves another shot in the directors chair in S6 if she wants to (& it sounds from interviews as if it is something she’d like to have chance to do more of). Even without understanding the characters, some of the lighting & overall framing of shots were so good! From lighting to just mirroring chess board pieces. I loved it. I felt the Eve fight scene was pretty masterful.
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The episode itself. Whilst it did give up a couple of twists (the most major being Lex set up Jeremiah’s death), honestly it fell pretty flat for a number of different reasons.
My biggest problem (& this isn’t new for me), is that Lex’s behaviour was entirely predictable. That all bar a couple of plot points weren’t things that the fandom haven’t already talked about in one way or another almost Ad nauseam.
A big part for me was this flashback episode leaves us with no more truly relevant details on things than before the episode began.
Lex setting up Leviathan? Knew he was going to do it, this is Lex we are talking about.
Lex manipulating Lena, especially against Kara. C’mon, you’d have to be either blind, or in denial this has been going on for months on his manipulation of Lena. Yes, she should realise he is doing it, but again, Lena (as even Mon-El mentions) is the product of her abusive family. That doesn’t simply disappear!
Eve - we knew she was back, so again no real surprise on Lex manipulating her. Again (oh and side note. If you’re going to hate on Lena for ‘killing’ people & say her manipulation by Lex doesn’t excuse her, but don’t say the same thing about Eve, who killed outright for both Leviathan and Lex, your hypocritical hatred of Lena is showing. Check yourself at the door).
Lillian. She had already admitted she wasn’t Earth 38 Lillian to Lex from the award ceremony dialogue. So again, it wasn’t a surprise.
Honestly I could keep going, but you get the picture.
With only 2 episodes left, (& even had it been a full 3 episodes as I expect them to perhaps try and extend 5.19 into a longer one, perhaps over 1.5 hours instead of the usual hour schedule), we still have no clear answers on anything. Leviathan? Nothing was added to their story, and considering they were supposed to be the big villain of S5, only Lex has been that so far. And when you have an episode that does nothing more than we saw in S4, to ‘expose’ Lex ..... news flash. We know all this about him.
What we don’t know is who leads Leviathan? Who else is part of the organisation? We practically know nothing about them.
I felt this episode would’ve been better placed after Winn’s first episode (I’ve said I felt having him over that 2 episode arc was a waste, as again that 2nd episode did absolutely nothing plot wise that couldn’t have been added in the 1st episode, & the 1st episode didn’t add a lot either! I’m not saying don’t bring Winn back, but make it relevant & not 2 filler episodes). To have it done so late in the season makes zero sense to me. It feels messy.
On to William Dey. I’m not even going to try & pretend I like the character. I absolute despise him, & not because of trying to be Kara’s LI. I despise him, because once again we had him in scenes that others should have been in, especially Alex at the beginning. She is supposedly working with J’onn, and while I get they might not want her around Lex, have her working remotely from the tower, sending that information from the video clip to J’onn and Kara. After all, she did that from the DEO. J’onn has all that computing power & I’ve yet to see it used to any full potential.
I also found it strange William just walked up to Kara & J’onn as if they’re best of buddies, but we have nothing to suggest he knows Kara is Supergirl. I hate he has that level of familiarity with them. It again feels rushed & disjointed & totally wrong for any of the characters. Failing having Alex working it, how about having Nia, who again I keep repeating, is an actual reporter, but also as Dreamer could help scout out & report back in with them all back at the Tower.
I also found the wording Lex used to Eve in regards William. "Activate William."
So activate how exactly? Sure they got him working as a journalist, but how? Through clues being sent to him? Is he under some kind of control? I can think of a host of different ways to phrase that, but activate? That sounds an awful lot like some kind of manipulation that is far more than straight forward sending William some clues is about.
And about this. William is a Nobel Prize winning Journalist, & yet not once has he been able to do anything without someone giving him the heads up! I know some journalism requires that, but constantly? If he is so good at his job, he should be finding more than dead ends. It grates like crazy.
Then he simply arrives at Kara’s with sympathy baked goodies - only to then launch into needing help over what he has found. There is a time & a place for that kind of thing. That was neither the time nor the place. I know Lex wanted to get Leviathan on board with his plan, & needed to show they were about to get Supergirl looking at them far too closely, but really? Just no. He could’ve met Kara at CatCo. Met Kelly at Obsidean. Texted or called Kara to check it was okay to drop by her apartment even. But doing so unannounced, when he knows Kara & Alex have just lost their father? It also grates.
Now onto Kelly - lovely to see her supporting Alex - and Kara - after the loss of Jeremiah. But does she know Kara is Supergirl? We still don’t know for certain! The inference in this episode is Kelly does know, as William tells them about the warehouse, then Kelly & Alex are at the tower with J’onn in the same outfits, as Supergirl lands, stating there was nothing at the warehouse. So yes, it is highly likely Kelly now knows. But how or when did she know. It’s these kind of details most fans actual want, not to have to make educated guesses on! This is a reason fans get frustrated. We were being told who used to get to know Supergirl’s identity, but now with Kelly, nothing! And people wonder why fans feel the LGBTQ characters are getting shortchanged this season. It isn’t just about lack of screen time. It’s about lack of depth of story, when previously they had people falling over themselves to show how they knew Kara was Supergirl.
Another example of this lack of depth or explanation is Brainy. Sure he is likely doing what he is because of future Brainy’s warning, but it still comes across as Brainy seemingly stupid considering his apparent intellect. We have been thrown these plot lines, but they’re then left for us to have to fill in the blanks as each episode airs, as we’re not getting them otherwise.
It is far too chaotic for my liking.
So once again my overriding sense after watching this episode is frustration. It still feels like a total mess, with no answers (& even if they give us those answers, 3 episodes - now 2 - would be nowhere near enough time to do it without rushing. It even felt rushed at times in this episode).
William continues to be an absolute waste of space, (and God do I feel sorry for Staz over this), taking perfectly good screen time away from other already established characters, who could do what he has just as easily.
The Kara and Lena push & pull is giving us nothing new! Nothing. It’s gone well past giving us angst to us having had enough. Like with Lex, they seem to have gone too far with a good thing, & now rather than enjoying it, the majority simply hate it. With a passion. I am sick to the back teeth with it. Lena deserves to finally be rid of this villain tag, & given her rightful place back with the Superfriends (after a damn sit down talk with Kara - not Supergirl - and get on some level ground for good this time). I don’t expect a miraculous friendship rebuilt in seconds, but I do want actual forward progress between them to stick. Not 1 step forward, 2 steps back. I certainly don’t want this carrying on into S6, or at least not without resolving more than this.
In all the 5 seasons I’ve watched Supergirl, I don’t think there has ever been such underlying anger or frustration on how the season has panned out, both from fans & media alike. The disconnect from the fans to the show is huge right now, & really I cannot understand how the end of S4, which was seen as a real step forward for the show, to the excitement of S5, & how it was being portrayed; to this.
I want so much to be able to sit here & write positively over the episodes generally, but too often this season I’ve not been able to do it. I feel so sorry for the cast, because I know they love the show so much, and I want nothing more than to be writing positively about it each episode, but I simply can’t do that.
So in conclusion.
Phenomenal directing by Melissa Benoist.
Complete & utter frustration & disconnect everywhere else.
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lena-in-a-red-dress · 4 years
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YES!!! Spheercorp/wondercorp anon here! Okay, so, basically post S5 after everything dies down & Lena FINALLY has some free time, she goes on vacation/sabbatical to the bahamas or whatever, AND WHO DOES SHE RUN INTO BUT JACK FROM THIS EARTH & they've never met onearth prme but jack is immediately capitvated (because duh!). He didn't do the nanobots thing on this earth but something equally groundbreaking maybe for third-world countries and Lena knows he's still the same jack. spheercorp endgame!
The only thing that could surprise Jack Spheer more than seeing Lena Luthor on a Santorini beach was the way her eyes widened in the short second before her arms flew out to embrace him.
He stood there, wrapped in the scent and the feel of her, and wondered where in his vacation he’d taken enough drugs to hallucinate such a reunion. Because Lena Luthor was tactile, bu not with those she’d cut out of her future, and she certainly did not clutch at them like they might evaporate.
“It’s really you,” she murmured.
“Of course it is,” Jack quipped. “Who else would be lounging around on a beach at the end of September?” 
In fact, he couldn’t fathom why Lena was here this close to fiscal year-end. Every other executive at Luthor Corp would be pulling their hair out making numbers meet, and one of the reasons they’d split had been Lena’s inability to put anything before her work-- before her brother.
But when Lena pulled back, Jack caught the sparkle of tears in her eyes before she scrubbed them away. Taking her by the hands, Jack gazed at her in concern.
“Hey,” he said softly. “What’s wrong? Now I know you didn’t miss me that much.”
His attempt at humor fell flat when she sniffled quietly. “I did, actually.” She gave him a watery smile. “I’ve missed you so much.”
Despite every warning in him that getting closer would only bruise his already broken heart, Jack found himself offering a smile of his own.
“Then let me buy you a drink,” he said, “and we can catch up.”
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Jack didn’t have much to catch her up on. He’d sacked Beth Breen on her advice, and none too soon-- already over a million had gone missing from the Spheerical accounts-- and without a replacement for either her or Lena, Biomax had stalled in both funding and development.
He could’ve found someone to help with Biomax; he could have. But it felt wrong to bring someone else in on it. Biomax had always been theirs. 
He thought he might feel some sort of satisfaction to know that the position Lex had offered Lena to lure her back home, but there was nothing satisfying in the way shadows gathered in Lena’s gaze, or the shame that clouded her features as she retreated to her side of the table.
“You don’t want to know what I’ve been doing,” she said. 
Jack shot her a look. “I’m not about to steal it out from from under you. As if I could even make it work before you did--”
“I did something I’m ashamed of, Jack. I-- I’ve betrayed everything-- and everyone-- I ever stood for.”
The words hung in the air between them, thick and heavy in the gentle breeze coming off the beach and into their little cabana. Jack regarded her carefully.
“What did Lex do?” he asked finally.
Tears filled her eyes. “Nothing. He-- he supported me, which should have been my first clue. But it was my idea, my-- I thought it would change the world, make it better place… a safer place. But I was wrong, and I--”
Her voice broke, and Jack’s heart cracked right along with it. This was more than a falling out with Lex, or her mother. This was deeper. So much deeper. 
“And everything is wrong!” she huffed, the register of her voice lifting in frustration the likes of which Jack hadn’t seen since the day she’d nearly pitched a microscope at his head. “My company is gone, my friends are--” 
She caught herself abruptly, then gave a ragged scoff. “Not my friends,” she finished.
As Jack watched, Lena’s anger gave way to anguish. Tear-filled eyes met his.
“Even us, talking like this…” She heaved a weak sigh, offering an even weaker smile. “I really have missed you.”
Jack reached across the table to take her hand, nodding. “Me too.”
“I never really appreciated that of all the people in my life, you were the only one who was ever truly... mine.”
“I still am,” he whispered. “Yours.”
Lena’s head tilted, a protest on her lips. 
“I don’t mean like we used to be,” he amended, “though if that’s what you really wanted, I would be more than happy to have that conversation. But what I mean is… you’re my best friend, Lena. There hasn’t been a single day I haven’t wanted to talk to you, about Biomax, the news, the real housewives--”
Lena snorted. 
“I am in your corner,” he pushed on, “and I always will be. And I would really love to not go another eight months without speaking, so-- if we could get past the part where we’re supposed to be awkward exes, and skip to the part where we’re friends again… I would really, really like that.”
Lena gazed at him, lips trembling. Finally, she smiled-- a true smile, the kind that made his heart beat a little faster. 
“So would I.”
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shipping1addict · 5 years
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So I'm rewatching kara's 'chat' with kate in the crossover arrow episode and let me just say:
When Kara asks kate, if she thought, that Bruce, trying to "keep his private life from the public eye" would be to much for him, it seems a lot like she would project her life onto Bruce's:
Kara: Do you ever wonder, if trying to keep his private life from the public eye *mumbling* got to be too much for him *pause* and he broke?
Kate: Sitting at that desk; starring out that window; watching the city, that we grew up in *pause* rot in its core; *pause* you find a way to not break.
*both women look at each other in silence*
Kate: Bruce didn't leave Gotham without a fight.
*camera focuses on kara*
Kara: *looking deliberate* mhm...
*silence*
Kara: You know, I gotta say... *mumbling* all the corporate billionaires I know, wear Versace and have *pause/pointing at kate* 500 fewer tatoos.
Bonus:
Kate: And that are the ones, that you can see.
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So besides the obvious flirting, it seemed kinda like kara is talking about her public life (as supergirl) vs her private life (as kara). And that she tries to get an idea, of how the trouble she's going through that time (aka lena didn't know she was supergirl and she had stress with the government), would play out if everyone knows, that she's supergirl. (Or you know.. that she's actually thinking about quitting as either kara or supergirl bc it's too stressfull playing both parts)
Also the fact, that she mentioned "other billionaires" aka lena combined with the trailer we got, seems foreshadowing.
It seems a little far-fetched but hear me out:
Melissa said, that there will be a "fight for lenas soul". Just like Kate said in the crossover, that Bruce didn't leave Gotham without a fight.
We heard the phrase "that my character [lena] loves so dearly"
Just like "watching the city, that we grew up in rot in its core; you find a way to not break."
So Bruce obviously has a special connection to Gotham, and lena to kara vice versa.
Gotham got more criminals, thus "rot in its core"
Lena goes a little darker in S5, so there will be a fight for her soul.
Now, we don't know why Bruce left, but Kate said, that he found a way not to break, that that's not the reason. Maybe Kara will find one too. A way to "save" lena from her darkness, from her anger and (possible) isolation.
I don't know, I mean it sounds interesting, but maybe I'm just interpreting too much.
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wr8tur · 6 years
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SUPERGIRL RANT 13
I know I said I wouldn’t be making SG rants anymore… Maybe I shouldn’t even comment since I haven’t been watching SG. But I’ve been seeing story progression because I keep looking for Katie McGrath’s awesomeness on social media….
Correct me if I’m wrong but Lena basically hides Sam/Reign away in order to figure out how to cure her and then Kara finds out that she has Kryptonite and basically freaks the fuck out. I maybe missing some details…. Feel free to add/correct/change my way of thinking but I don’t blame Lena for not telling SG that she had Kryptonite.
People are saying that she should have told SG that she had kryptonite but then why should she? If it’s because she’s been saved by SG, then I’d have to argue that she’s saved SG/the world too.
Lena saved everyone from the Medusa virus, helped them make the lead bomb against the Daxamites, agreed to marry Mon to save the Children’s hospital,  she even tried to save SG when her mom threw that sonic box thing on her, hell killed her boyfriend to save SG… point is, Lena has done a lot of good. Yet SG still doubts her just because she didn’t tell her about the Kryptonite?
Lena’s right about the God complex.
Unless season 1 is no longer canon, did SG forget what red Kryptonite did to her? If the argument is that she was afraid that Lena might accidentally have created unstable/red kryptonite, then yes I understand her anger but I think SG was just pissed that Lena has Kryptonite.
I mean SG didn’t exactly go around dispelling lead from the Earth when she found out that Mon El was allergic so the issue I feel like has to do with her mortality and a little bit of trust but I can’t really blame Lena for trying to make more Kryptonite after she saw how unstoppable Reign is and how powerless the DEO and SG have been against Reign.
I feel like Lena probably would have no problem telling Kara about the Kryptonite. Maybe if it weren’t for the Sam/Reign thing she would have said something to Kara about her breakthrough. She already knows she can trust Kara but SG is different.
Yes, SG saved her life. But SG tries to save everyone. The Supers after all, are against killing. So to Lena, SG saving everyone is just something she does.
Lena doesn’t have that same special connection to SG as she does with Kara so the trust isn’t as strong. I mean, it clearly isn’t since SG basically hinted to Lena that the only reason she’s even put in extra effort with her is because of Kara. The words “Kara Danvers believes in you” kind of implies that SG is just looking out for Lena because she trusts Kara and that doesn’t necessarily mean that she trusts Lena.
Besides, SG never told her that she’s working with the DEO (even after Lena killed Jack) or that the DEO even existed so I don’t see why Lena, who was arrested by the police for circumstantial evidence, would tell a secret faction of the Government that A) she knows they exist and B) that she has the ability to create Kryptonite.
Like I said before, I don’t believe Kyrptonite is an illegal substance to have so legally, Lena has no obligation to tell the DEO she knows how to make it.
Harboring a fugitive is illegal, but it’s not like she was helping her destroy the world. She locked Reign up, which is what the DEO would have done in the first place, but Sam is innocent in all this and Sam gave Lena permission to fix her.
Maybe Lena was worried about SG’s God complex, worried that SG wouldn’t listen about splitting Sam and Reign up because SG would take it personally since Reign can kick her ass.
Maybe Lena was just genuinely concerned that the Government would just try to kill or imprison Reign and not waste their efforts because to Lena’s knowledge (due to Kara not telling Lena about her being SG), Agents of DEO and SG don’t have a personal connection to Sam so they wouldn’t even try to save her friend.
Anyway, if SG trusted Lena then she should have just talked to her about it instead of basically blowing up at her, making her feel likes she’s just as bad as the other Luthors, and asking Guardian, who SG knows is her boyfriend, to go and spy on her.
It feels like she was just being petty. I mean, she could have asked J’onn or Alex to go instead or even herself. But no, it seems like she wanted to really hurt Lena.
I always said that the writers can’t separate SG from Kara and apparently I’m right.
It’s not fair for SG to expect that Lena would trust her so much when she hasn’t even bestowed that courtesy toward Lena, especially as Kara. She’s let her into her circle yet Lena had been the only one who didn’t know she’s SG. And yes, Sam doesn’t know either but Sam doesn’t really count because she just met her and was just shoehorned in the group this season in order to create this drama that doesn’t even really fit in with S2 characterization of Kara, who even after seeing the video of Lena having Kryptonite still believed her friend was innocent.
And damn Kara, Lena saved Alex’s life. If that isn’t enough to earn your trust for you to tell her you’re SG, then you should have never tried to be her friend. She shared some personal stuff with you and you know the girl has a hard time trusting people because everyone hates her for something her family did.
Kara’s just lucky no one found out that her parents created Medusa. I’m pretty sure aliens that have family who died from that virus would be hating on her too. I’m also sure that humans wouldn’t be too keen on calling SG their hero if they knew the Daxamites attacked because she wouldn’t give up her boyfriend the Daxamite Prince of three months!
Even after freaking Lena killed the so called love of her life for you Kara, you couldn’t make the same sacrifice?
Does Lena know all these secrets SG/Kara? I think not…
I think Lena only knows that Kara is Mon El’s boyfriend but I don’t remember Rhea telling her that this could have all been avoided if Supergirl just let her take her son home... I could be wrong so someone refresh my memory.
So I don’t think Kara or Supergirl has the right to be so harsh with Lena because she herself, both as SG and Kara has secrets she isn’t comfortable sharing. Unless Lena knows that Kara is SG then she wouldn’t know all the shitnannigans happened because of Kara… But as far as we know, Lena does not know.
As far as we know, Lena is a person who has done a lot of good. The way they’ve set up her character is that she’s a bleeding heart who tries so hard to undo the damage her family has done. The only difference between her and SG is that she relies on her smarts to get things done while SG relies on her Kryptonian genes.
This version of Kara is a hypocrite. She’s selfish and rash but the thing is, she’s weak and cannot back up her actions. She always has to ask for help and another thing I hate about these versions of the Supers is that they’re basically asking for blind trust. And that may have worked before, but now things like Red K can be made so I think it’s safe to say that Kryptonite should be a substance that’s accessible just in case the Supers go on a rampage.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Superman know that Batman has access to Kryptonite yet still works with him?
Even if S1 is no longer canon and Red K is no longer a thing, then what if more Kryptonians come to Earth? Because first of all, unlike other versions of Kryptonians, the Arrowverse Kryptonians aren’t reclusive.
According to Kara, she’s been on like twelve planets or something. You can’t tell me that when Krypton blew up, there weren’t scouts/scientists/military personnel or something that were not in their homeworld... I mean, we know there isn’t until the writers bring them over but for Kara/Clark, they should be prepared for moments like these. It already happened once so it could happen again.
What if there’s not enough Kryptonite? Are people just supposed to depend on the government to save them? National City is in America so the people, even people like Lena, have the right to arm themselves…. and there is a thing called Checks and Balances here in the country SG is seeking refuge in.
It’s honestly unfair for the Supers to expect that the world should just trust that they’ll check and balance themselves.
People don’t know them personally after all...
Point is, the writers clearly haven’t evolved. They’re still tearing down one relationship to build another. They’re hitting as many birds as they can with one stone.
They want SuperCorp shippers to stop, they want to legitimize Lames, but most importantly they want Karamel to re-establish their bond…. So they’re throwing the rock to break the Lena/Kara friendship.
Anyway, with the way this is going I feel like Lena’s completely going to turn dark. Since Supergirl has been given the Sunday slot the show might suffer from some budget cuts and want to up the ante next season so they can ensure a S5 so maybe James will die, leaving Lena brokenhearted and she’ll blame SG then she’ll find out Kara and SG are the same and that’ll completely drive her over to the dark side.
Or, she’ll find out that Kara and SG are the same and then she’ll get mad at James and all of them.
Or, more likely, that Sam is going to sacrifice herself to end Reign (So that Alex can adopt Ruby because apparently, her biological clock just went boom in S3) and Lena’s going to get mad, blame SG, find out that Kara is SG, and then get mad at James for helping SG or something like that…
To sum it up, Lena will be all alone again and she’ll blame SG and that’s why she’ll turn dark.
Of course, all my points will probably rendered irrelevant because in the end, Lena will probably be evil from the get go and the writers will make it seem like Lena's a mastermind and she's been playing Kara from the beginning so that the audience can't get mad at Kara for treating her 'friend' like crap because she was right and Lena is a villain like all the Luthors.
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