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theangryjikooker · 1 year

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just read your last anon and I’m usually just a silent reader, and tbh as someone who believe Jikook are a think I disagree with you a lot, but anyways I like reading your blog you seem very down to earth and I like that and I get your frustration. it’s not the first time that I see similar messages and i know I’ll get bashed for saying this but I don’t even believe half of the ppl out there pretending they’re queer (what does that even mean at this point) are anyway. I’ve been in shipping spaces for a long time, I share this "hobby" with a friend of mine and so many "cishets" as they say use the queer umbrella as a shield because we know damn well rps mlm shipping has been thrown upon (sometimes for good reasons, and often times due to misogyny, but that’s just my opinion ). I know some ppl are gonna get mad at this and call me names, not sure why I even send this but as a "cishet" (I usually refuse to use the word cis but that’s another can of worms I won’t open here) I’m seriously done with this mindset. i’m free to make assumptions and ship whoever I want or deny any ship I want to deny like anyone else and being part of the lgbt community is not a requirement to ship, what’s with people acting like the thought police here… ha sorry I needed to vent I guess, that post made me mad

Yes, it's fine to disagree with me! A lot of people who are following me don't agree with everything I have to say, if any at all. The only reason why I know this is that I've seen some familiar names interact with bloggers I 100% would not get along with, but that's really none of my business. I'm not here to change minds.

I think those followers tend to be curious about what I have to say about some aspect of Jikook. Sometimes it'll make them think; most of the time they think I'm full of shit. I have my own critiques of hardcore shippers/supporters, so I fully expect that my existence throws a wrench in all of that and incites aggression in others. All I do is talk about how I feel. Anyone who chooses to interact with me are doing so of their own volition and are responsible for their own actions.

I don’t even believe half of the ppl out there pretending they’re queer (what does that even mean at this point) are anyway. So this POV is a bit of a slippery slope. If we cast doubt on everyone and everything because a fraction of one's community is encouraging those feelings, it doesn't help anyone. Personally, I haven't "met" general ARMYs or shippers who have pretended to be queer, but I've read about this happening. I think the real culprit is the anonymity of the Internet and what kind of behaviors that's enabled over the years, but that's another can of worms I don't want to get into.

To be fair, I understand queer shippers who are tentative about shipping occurring amongst cishets, which is valid, but the way some of them go about protecting what they consider an exclusively LGBTQ+ activity can be extremist and nonsensical, in my opinion.

(Part of me also suspects that this overly passionate dedication amounts to how important fandom is to a person. I prioritize and cherish my real life more than I ever could about fandom, but fandom is also a much needed escape for others, so I can see how that might play a part in people's motivations and how they might go about protecting their safe space.)

Male, female, non-binary, gay, straight, bi, asexual, whatever your sexual or gender identity–don't be an asshole and don't be an idiot, that's all I'm saying. If you're cishet and shipping two males/two females, just be mindful about how you're going about it is all. Shipping because you genuinely care about the individuals involved and believe in who they are as human beings vs. fetishizing them (unintentionally or otherwise) can get a little blurry. (Fetishization is not the only issue that occurs in this cishet vs. lgbtq+ in fandom discourse, but it's the most common and most talked about.)

In my opinion, attraction isn't so discerning; sometimes people just gravitate to whomever they like. If cishets can recognize that attraction is just a feeling that can occur among and across different genders and sexualities, I don't see how this is a bad thing at all.

* Sorry, I talk about "cishets" like I'm othering them, and I don't really care much for that attitude, but for distinction purposes, it is what it is.

#TAJ asks #anon submission #jikook #kookmin #jikookers #kookminers #bts shipping #bts fandom

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rabble-dabble · 2 years

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Rabble please don’t explain how the hell C!Techno discourse is similar to Homestuck epilogue discourse

Please the people must know

ahhh well there's probably a TON of people who could explain the discourse better than i could, and considering i avoided most of it for my own mental health you might wanna take what i say with a grain of salt (and that my own perspective and somewhat bad memory may not have everything accurate)

but it was like....preeeeety bad??? like you had people who liked the epilogues and people who HATED them. like i mean, you could say both sides were drastic- you had people who outright defended the actions of the characters (like, uh, jane's stuff, and dirk's stuff, and just general character actions that 'could make sense' if they were 'adults') and then you had the other side, which was more like gathered hatred for what Andrew Hussie (creator of Homestuck, webcomic) and his writers did to some of the characters and their development (jade and davekat...kanaya and rose....terezi and vriska/john...) worsened by actions done by characters in-universe with a LOT of things that were barely properly warned for.

one of the worst things to happen was the june/john discourse.

so, okay, a thing to explain: Andrew went out and planted some toblerones (like, the chocolate) in the real world for fans to find and essentially "grant" the wish of whatever the fan asked for. one fan asked for a headcanon for John Egbert, a trans girl named June, to become canon. Andrew "granted" this wish to be true.

and, uh....the fandom had some opinions about that.

this was after Homestuck had finished, by the way, so take that into context while reading this.

i could remember how horrible it was. i will say, it was bad on "both" sides - meaning, the people on twitter who horrifically bullied those who didn't accept the headcanon about trans girl june, to the point of accusing transphobia and people hating trans women, and to the other end of the wild spectrum of those who argued against the trans headcanons that people put forth (but, like, clearly in a transphobic way). in any case, it was not good. horrible. bad.

obviously, it was not the entire fandom doing this. it was just those "bad apples" you'll find in any fandom, yknow? but it was straight-up awful. people could NOT be in the middle ground- you were either found transphobic for not accepting the june headcanon, or a hardcore "june truther" for being okay with the headcanon. i remember seeing asks in the tags just about the discourse, being terrified to even mention john/june because i thought i'd get barricaded with asks or being "called out" in the discourse.

and in my own personal experience, if you look in my blog, you'll find the ask i did get from someone who claimed i was transphobic for "liking john better". at that point in my blog, i was drawing JohnKat, a ship that involved John.

you wanna know something ironic about that ask, claiming i was being transphobic?

i'm a trans male. i'm literally trans. i got told i was transphobic because i chose to headcanon john as a male instead of a female, even though it was my own right to headcanon john/june as i chose. as much as anyone else had the right to chose to headcanon june as a trans girl, i had to headcanon john as a guy.

so, yeah, it wasn't too good.

if there's anything i'd improve on from back then? to just say to believe in what you wanted to believe and not bully other people into believing what was "canon" just because it was canon. i don't like participating in a lotta discourse that happens because it either eventually blows over or it was simply a lotta arguing about nothing. if you argue with someone who CLEARLY sees the story differently, you're not really gonna win the "battle", y'know? there's no point in wasting your own time trying to convince someone that canon is "one way or another". it's up to interpretation, and if someone's interpretation is wildly different than yours, then that's just what it is.

#answered #ask #homestuck #epilogues #dream smp #discourse #june/john taggers sorry!!!#this is explaining homestuck discourse so you might wanna skip this post #the last part is my personal experience w/ the june john stuff #it was honestly TERRIFYING. to be a trans male and being told i couldn't headcanon male john??#to be told i was transphobic?? even though every headcanon of john was valid? it was just emotionally scary #and like no one should HAVE to say they're trans to headcanon a trans character. or even just a characters gender in general #the thing is people were more okay with trans roxy than trans june that it was fucked #there was a LOT of transphobic things said....and it was so bad for the trans women who actually liked june and had it ruined for them #by people who would 'defend' june. it was just SOOO bad #the dsmp discourse seems so mild in comparison bcs there just isn't that 'type' of discourse rlly #i mean theres a lot more focused on than trans characters. so its like just a whisper in the wind yknow???#anyways im tired so jist of it is that discourse sucks so don't do it lmao

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forbiddenship · 3 years

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i just saw a bunch of rina's take yet another ss of a portwell post from tumblr to talk shit over on twitter. it annoys me so much that this keeps happening and we can't do anything about it bc there aren't enough of us over there. i'm asking you this bc i know you're on twitter and you're like the portwell captain on that app (bless your soul you're doing god's work). how do you handle being on there when this happens all the time?

first of all, that is such a sweet compliment, and it made my day so thank you so much. i’m definitely not a captain or anything lol, it’s funny how it all started. i became a hardcore portwell shipper when 2x05 came out, and at that point there wasn’t much content - very few edits and fics here and there - and even less so on twitter. in fact, it was all just portwell hate over there. and that made me really sad because twitter is one of my favorite apps - i think if used correctly it can be such a positive experience. i made so many friends through twitter last year in some of my other fandoms and i guess i was just used to showing my appreciation for characters/ships on stan twitter. but the fandoms i was part of before were much smaller (and therefore had fewer conflicts overall).

so when i joined the hsmtmts fandom and realized portwell positivity was lacking over there i just began to post about my ship and see if anybody was actually interested. and surprisingly, a lot of people were lol. many of them were just hiding bc of the fear of being mass quoted by rina’s. which, at this point, is something i’ve gotten over bc i know that it’s just one of those things they do to try and prove they’re the top dogs. twitter is the only place where they can dominate by numbers so they’re just taking advantage of that - regardless of who they have to step on to achieve it. i don’t really “handle” it any way per se other than just posting the stuff i like and blocking whatever i don’t. it’s really that simple. and trust me, i totally understand the pride and the feeling of “why should i have to block them? i deserve to be here just as much as them” - i totally get it. and yes, we shouldn’t have to do that. it would be much more ideal if all the shippers could coexist peacefully and stay in their lanes. but that’s not the reality, and at the end of the day, we gotta do what’s best for ourselves and our mental health. even though i knew that their arguments fell apart like sand, it was still exhausting to try and fight them all when there were so few of us (although i do know a lot more portwells now but at the beginning yk). so the best option for me was just to block what i didn’t need to see so i could keep enjoying the app and use it to show my love for my fav ship. and by doing that i found that a lot of other people were in the same boat as me and i got to connect with more portwell shippers, some of whom are now my closest moots. so it all worked out in the end :)

also, quick afterthought - the fact that rina’s are constantly lurking in our tag to find something they can screenshot and start a whole discourse on over on twitter is very telling. they’re obviously scared as hell and for good reason. but it’s such a cowardly thing to me: like ur gonna take content from a different platform and transport it over to twitter just so you can drench it in your toxicity without having any opposing voices? embarrassing.

btw, i’m so sorry if you’ve sent me an ask before and i haven’t answered it! im so bad at this omg. i keep starting drafts and forgetting that i started them so my inbox is always clear but i have a bazillion drafts. but tysm for sending them in and i’ll finish them all soon!

#hsmtmts #portwell #gina porter #ej caswell #anonymous #ask

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