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beautifulpersonpeach · 5 months
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Hello BPP,
One of the thoughts I have had over the last few days, and one I hope doesn't offend anyone, is that shipping sometimes is founded in selfishness.
The reason I have come to this conclusion is the behaviour of a certain community that is quite vocal online in their displeasure over the content that gets produced. They have turned to focusing solely on the members they ship instead of grasping the emotional weight of the moments we get to observe. They immediately jump to the conclusion of a conspiracy against their ship, despite how non-sensical repressing said ship would be from a purely capitalistic viewpoint, and then use footage that was taken without the consent of the members and after their express wish for fans to not appear at the send-off to support their theory. I have heard of them furthering the narrative that their ship is real due to private moments yet these moments are either (a) debunked by those who are not sucked into the narrative or (b) obtained by sharing videos once again without the consent of their shippées.
But it isn't about the bond between JK and Tae for them but rather being right, about being the ones to see the truth - going against the grain - and whatever rhetoric they like to employ.
It's about the fetishisation of two attractive men being together, a comforting thought for what I imagine to be girls and women that would like to be in a relationship with these two themselves. Why else would they mostly focus on bashing a company and real human beings because they're not being catered to?
It is quite disturbing to consider how there's this willingness to cross boundaries of every type, including tweeting at an actual government branch and then accusing said branch of furthering fanservice. All of it is, as I stated at the beginning, selfish. There is no consideration for the feelings of the people they claim to protect, no media literacy, no acceptance of Occam's Razor, no interest in factual depictions.
I hope they grow tired soon, because it is tiring to even witness in the periphery.
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Sorry for the quite stilted English, I've been watching too many video essays the past few days and I physically cannot turn off that filter.
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It’s sad, amusing and concerning all at the same time, isn’t it? You’ve hit the nail on the head and yeah it applies to most shippers: taekookers especially but also many jikookers, and even solo stans, who resort to the same mental leaps when their expectations aren’t met. I agree with you and have said much the same several times in the last few years.
I don’t share your hope that they grow tired soon though. In fact what tends to happen is that they become even more unhinged. The more they invest into their theories and worldview, the more they take increasingly invasive steps to validate those theories. It’s sad and one of the worst expressions of sunk cost fallacy I’ve seen in fandom. The most we can do as fans is to check that behaviour when we see it in the fandom, and deplatform people building a following set on those ideas. And hope to god that the military does a decent job of ensuring their security while in service.
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I've asked myself many times over the course of three years about how would I react to information that comes to contradict a specific image I have about people. And the answer would differ, more or less, depending on a myriad of factors, such as my mental wellbeing, my attitude toward the fandom, the group, the members, etc. The truth is, I only knew how I would respond the moment it happens and I was pleasantly surprised in a way. I see it as a sign that I'm doing better or at least I'm on the path of doing better.
These are things that I didn't want to allow to come to surface in the way I used to handle the BTM blog. Perhaps because the point was to create a platform in which I could offer the rational, researched perspective which I considered to be the correct one. I'm not retracting any of that. I still believe that it is possible to offer a more complex perspective if I can back it up with knowledge from various fields, but it was also one of my defense mechanisms.
Without expanding on the personal reasons, it has become very easy for me to separate my rational and emotional side. So much, that even when I should be staying in the moment and let my emotions take space, I can't really do it, I need to come up with a rational explanation so it can make sense. I then applied this to BTS as well. I couldn't just say I like this group when someone would ask, I would have to tell them about all the studies I read and how my fascination is mostly intelectual, when in truth it was both. I used to talk about jikook only in the context of analysis, be it GCF through semiotics or various types of interpretations when it came to their performances or fandom reception in terms of their dynamics. It had to be in the context of rational fascination and curiosity because I was merely trying to justify myself on why I care that much about two strangers that I look at on my phone. Again, my intellectual curiosity is real, but that has always been only one side if the coin, but it was one that I pushed.
It's about shame actually. I can't actually accept that I have such an interest. It doesn't fit with the idea I have of myself. And sometimes I don't like it because it makes me question my intellect, my critical thinking. How can I be so good academically and at the same time I fear that I've fallen into a fandom trap? I'm smart, right? Right?
I'm sure a lot of people have dealt with or ar going through this process of cognitive dissonance. How does one deal with the mere idea that something they believe in based on their understanding of the world, their ability of decoding (not in a conspiracy sense, but in a Saussurean way) can turn out to be wrong? We see something that resembles a specific behavior that we are surrounded with our entire lives, sometimes we ourselves engage with, but we've identified it wrong on others? Of course, it's through the visual medium, one that is edited. It's a puzzle with large chunks missing, but we're getting a general idea of it. But we can be wrong. So how do we deal with that? Well, I don't have a correct answer.
Me in 2020/2021 would have been more affected because my mental health was not good. I was functionally depressed and I clinged so much onto BTS, Jikook and the small community that I found myself in at that time, that I would have felt a lot more torn than I am now.
A couple of years later and having to actually go through a situation in which my understanding of people's relationship might not be accurate, I realized I'm fine. And I think it's because it made me really register just now that I finally learned how to have fun with it. It took me three years. By having fun, I mean genuinely being able to simply enjoy the little things. I'm still on the path of not being ashamed for liking kpop or spending time talking about the dynamic/relationship of two people.
What prompted this post was reading what is currently being written in the jikook tag. Yes, I had this big introductory chunk that perhaps people won't bother reading, but I'm doing it for myself. If I can't be honest while writing stuff into the void for strangers to read, then what is the point?
I get frustrated very easily. I like debates and contradictory points of view, but not always. And that's because I like to be right. Almost all the time. So when I see something that I believe it lacks logic or I find it absurd, then my fingers are itching. I don't comment or DM people, I can control myself. I'd rather get out of the app and do something else.
What I want to say is I was surprised at how much fanfiction is being written. More that usual. Shipping contains a big deal of fanfiction by its nature. Gestures and events taking place at different times are interpreted and having information added that fills the gaps. People do that because they have to make sense of what they see.
They like to make relationship timelines. They speculate on first kisses and first sexual experiences. That's their imagination. None of us has any way of knowing. The element of fiction is heighted when people feel like they are losing control of the narrative. When they are unsure of what they are seeing. Which is what usually happens in the shipping community on a yearly basis. Anons flooding the bloggers' inboxes because they need confirmation or they didn't get any ship content in a month or two which means something is wrong.
There's this understanding that the shipper/supporter is delusional while the one who stops shipping is the rational one. From what I've observed throughout time and mostly now, that is a false distinction. The so-called rational fan makes use of fiction just as the shipper. The difference is in purpose. One talks about why the supposed romantic relationship is real and the other tries to refute that. But both categories seem to need fiction in order to build their arguments. That is because none of them have access to someone's private life and relationship, so the gaps need to be filled with speculation. There is no right or wrong version here, despite how much the idea is being pushed. And me writing about this won't make a difference. It's simply how the fandom works. The one who position themselves on the side of anti-delulu will always be seen as the less crazy one. The similarities will fade for the collective consciousness of the fandom.
I think it's difficult for a lot of people, regardless on which side they find themselves on, to accept that the option of simply not knowing is enough as well. Or knowing, but without getting anal about it. But it's hard and they write posts after posts, anons are sending asks over asks because there has to be a firm answer. Only a few allow themselves to be in between lines.
I'll bring back something that I always used to say. Shipping and involvement in the fandom is a lot more about us and less about the people we're talking about. It's about fullfiling some needs, of needing a community, of focusing on the idea of love. Those things can still be done in a way that still makes the experience enjoyable. But not everyone can and I'm not blaming it.
There's a way to just like how people behave with each other and imagine things without adding so much weight to it. Regardless of the true nature. It's our imagination, there's no need for a moral inquisition to tell anyone how to think or that they should stop thinking a certain way. Touching some grass is a cliche and an expression I ended up hating, but I do believe that being connected to discourse on a daily basis can really alter our sense of reality and what we consider to be real issues. We really should pay more attention to that and take some distance if necessary.
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theangryjikooker · 6 months
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Jimin supports Taekook 🎉😂
And Jungkook supports Vmin while Taehyung supports Jikook.
They’re all friends with one another, why wouldn’t they support the different dynamics among them?
Stop being weird.
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irishhorse-blog · 21 days
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I was feeling bored and I remembered how there were hardcore vmin shipper blogs once so I went through the vmin tag, and boy was it fun! I haven't laughed so hard in a while.
I came across old posts and they were talking about how vmin being dry all those months and taehyung not posting anything for jimin just shows that he's serious about his relationship with jimin and is protecting their love. they talk about him protecting their "unscripted moments" (ahem👀) and how Jikook enlisting together "solidified" their beliefs that there's nothing romantic going on there because of the stress jm and jk would have to go through having to hide their relationship.
These are the same people who made speculations just like Taekookers about two years ago saying they wouldn't be surprised if Vmin enlisted together because they always choose each other. And now Jimin opting to enlist with someone who isn't taehyung "solifidies" their beliefs that he's not romantically involved with that person and makes them believe in vmin more.
They are really coping hard. And not them adopting taekookers' narrative about scripted moments and fanservice. It's the only way they can explain away what jimin and jungkook have been doing with each other so they can feel secure in their unrealistic ships. Jikook really got people jumping through mental loops and being shameless hypocrites. Jikook you will always be famous❤️.
I've always disliked Vminies more than taekookers because at least with taekookers they don't disguise just how delusional they are, but vminies have always acted so superior and had a "us vs them" mentality, always referring to Jikookers and taekookers as "those other shippers". They'd pride themselves on not being toxic and using things that Tae and jk actually said and did for each other to prove their ship, "unlike those other shippers". Which- fine, I'll give them that. But it doesn't seem vmin have been as close as before for a while now and they've started to grasp at straws, sounding exactly like the shippers they think they are better than. I've seen a "big" vmin account talk about how Tae and jm forgot people were present and lmost kissed at tae's fansign event💀. It's not obvious because they are very small in number, but vminies are exactly like taekookers. And both sides really have no shame with how they are currently dismissing Jikook's companion system enlistment when in the past both sides made speculations about their ships enlisting together and even saying they are sure they will enlist together IF bts don't get an exemption.
I wanna give myself a day off and dedicate that time to just going through years old posts from vminies (it's a pity most of them deactivated, like that motherfucker who used to call themselves @vmindrift and later changed their name to @romanticdrift. I wanna post screenshots on X and make them blow up so they'll get dragged. I know it's childish and petty but I want them to be brought down from their high horse since they always try to act so smart and think they are better than other shippers.
Hey, you do you. We all have to have hobbies. ;)
Vmin shippers have always tried to hold themselves as if they were "above the fray," but at the end of the day, a delusional ship is a delusional ship. TKKs might be sailing the Titanic, but Vmin shippers are just behind them on the Lusitania.
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peppertaemint · 2 years
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Why the tae/kook narrative promoted on YouTube is a dangerous conspiracy theory
The dominant narrative of TaeKook promoted widely on YouTube is a conspiracy theory. And I am going to show you why.
What are they? The belief that certain events or situations are secretly manipulated behind the scenes by powerful forces with negative intent. Conspiracy theories have these 6 things in common: 1. An alleged, secret plot. 2. A group of conspirators. 3. 'Evidence' that seems to support the conspiracy theory. 4. They falsely suggest that nothing happens by accident and that there are no coincidences; nothing is as it appears and everything is connected. 5. They divide the world into good or bad. 6. They scapegoat people and groups. Why do they flourish? They often appear as a logical explanation of events or situations which are difficult to understand and bring a false sense of control and agency. This need for clarity is heightened in times of uncertainty like the COVID-19 pandemic. How do they take root?
Conspiracy theories often start as a suspicion. They ask who is benefiting from the event or situation and thus identify the conspirators. Any ‘evidence’ is then forced to fit the theory. Once they have taken root, conspiracy theories can grow quickly. They are hard to refute because any person who tries is seen as being part of the conspiracy.
How does this relate to the "ship" Taehyung/Jungkook?
1. The alleged plot: Jungkook and Jimin engage in fan service / act like a couple to cover up Tae and Jungkook’s secret relationship.
2. Conspirators: Bit Hit record label; they want the relationship covered up by Jungkook and Jimin.
3. Evidence: Because gay couples are not accepted in SK, Big Hit would never promote a real couple. Therefore, Jungkook and Jimin are acting to prevent the real couple from being exposed. Also, BH are editing out nearly all Taekook interactions to cover up the relationship. A lack of evidence = more confirmation the theory is correct.
4. You can’t trust what you see. All footage is manipulated to downplay TaeKook interactions. Therefore, if you see very little happening between Tae and JK, it means that it’s all true—BH is editing everything out. Also, every interaction between JK and JM also confirms the theory that BH continues to promote them; therefore Taekook is real. There are no coincidences here; everything is orchestrated behind the scenes by shady record executives. In an attempt to show the world this evil plot is hiding their love for one another, Tae and JK constantly post symbols of their love in content (Bert and Ernie dolls, cacti, etc.) You must read between he lines to see the truth - nothing is as it appears on the surface.
5. Divide into good or bad: TaeKookers good, Jikookers bad. Taehyung good (victim) and Jimin bad and a home-wrecker (callous participant in plot to cover the relationship). Big Hit is bad because they are the evil plotters pulling all the strings.
6. Scapegoating: Jungkook. They see Jungkook as the bad boyfriend, and it’s all his fault because he participates in the plot and gets too close to Jimin. He constantly hurts Tae because of this. Often these shippers feel Tae deserves better, etc.
This is written simply because this issue is that straightforward. This YouTube narrative is a conspiracy theory, and it is divisive and harmful to the BTS army community. I hope when you encounter it you will use the ideas here to combat the conspiracy. Also, please remember this post is about this particular narrative - shipping TaeKook is fun and fine without harmful conspiracy theories. 💜
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scarletlettergay · 2 years
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People get so offended over ships and for what. Have y'all imprinted on a member and need them vicariously worshipped or something? No and then there's always an ideological enemy too, like one can't live while the other survives. My Ne rebels at the idea that you can dismiss anyone offhand, I guess. Or could be that childlike Fe that wants everyone to get along and play nice.
Also I wonder if anyone's clocked that JK ships be popular because it's the archetypal Mr Darcy fantasy. He's cool and standoffish and a prodigy with a sweet principled side and then you have the beautiful and sparky Jimin /Taehyung. And if you're the opposite shipper you will misrepresent the other to be very Wickham-y, dissolute charming rake with a nefarious agenda, attention-seeking and seeking a good time with the sexy sexy girls.
Kind of amazing how mirrored and symmetrical the narratives are becoming. And yet how each set thinks they're more logical and objective and moral in their hatred.
Such beautiful men. I'm not even straight but just look how much they got the 'IT'.
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'Any savage can dance' - JK: 'Isnt that wonderful ? 🥺
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not "i ship it bc of the romantic potential" but "i ship it bc both characters are uniquely bizarre and i yearn to gaze into the flames of the trashfire such a team-up would ignite"
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lif3-0n-m4rs · 8 months
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Remake of a 2021 drawing to see the progress
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raggedy-spaceman · 5 months
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Behind The Flag: The Two Crews
For all the ouizzy girlies (gn) out there
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s0ftpining · 1 year
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idk what to say about this. they're in love with each other
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beautifulpersonpeach · 4 months
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BPP someone posted the most popular kpop ships in Korea and jikook was number 1. Taekook was number 4. I’ve always found it interesting how it’s reversed for Korean shippers and international shippers.
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Where was this posted? I’d like to see it myself just to be sure but just going by your ask I can see how that’s true.
I assume it’s gotten from Postype and can believe it’s correct. Jikook is generally regarded as the top pairing in BTS in Korea. Their chemistry is painfully obvious, the language and tonal cues betray an intimacy that’s consistent with Jikook. Many of these cues are missed by international fans who rely more on (the lack of) visual confirmation/cues as the foundation of their shipping,
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Could you explain a bit better what you meant with this sentence about your thoughts on jikook?
"But I also wouldn't be totally surprised if what looks as obvious right now to actually not mean what a lot of us think simply because we're missing information."
What I meant was how can I be absolutely convinced that my perception and understanding of what I see is right when there's so much information that I don't know. Big puzzle pieces missing because I don't have access to them and I shouldn't anyway.
I too see what so many people who ship/support Jikook see. Of course I can say that I'm not blind, it's so obvious that both of them leave a certain impression that leads people to believe they are/might be in a relationship together. And we say that based on what we see and our own understanding of relationships. Wether we are in one ourselves or maybe we recognize the romance signs from those around us or from fiction. The point is, most of us are able to identity certain markers that can indicate that. I'm starting to sound way too technical by using this language, ugh. Anon, we all know what love is or what it looks like. The same with attraction. That's it. It's that simple. And we see it when we look at other people, be it on the street, in a cafe, at the cinema or on the screen.
But does this mean there are no chances of us being wrong? Of course there are. We show our social self to the world and we perform our own self and in connection to others. And it differs depending of where we find ourselves in private or public spheres.
In that case, Jimin and Jungkook have this entire life outside of what we see and most importantly what they want us to see and what not. They have friends and acquitances we have no idea about. Maybe they spend their day with those people on an almost daily basis and we wouldn't know because perhaps there are no photos. You see what I mean?
Nevertheless, shipping within common sense is fine. It's about having fun and getting giddy at seeing how they are together and thinking there is more to it. But of course it's not always like that. It's more of an ideal situation in which not many people find themselves in. The rest are invested. Which on a surface level would be easy to criticize or mock, but aren't all fans invested, regardless of their interests in BTS and their role in the fandom? There's that common understanding that the group showed up in people's lives when they needed it. And while it is true in a positive sense, it also showed up when people are having some unfulfilled emotional needs. That's not something to feel ashamed about. We humans can be so miserable and unhappy and depressed more and more and we see it everywhere. That's another facet of getting into the fandom and consequently going down the shipping/supporting road. Because whether we are sad or happy with our lives, we are still sappy and in love with the idea of love. And we go down the rabbit hole and it feels so nice. Until it doesn't and suddenly it's ugly and some people want out. They get miserable and instead of making their peace with it, they send anon asks that start with "I'm an ex-jikooker" and so on.
Anyway, bear with me, I'm close to having a conclusion to all this. So, what does this mean? Should we all have or always express some doubt because we have to be anchored in reality? So we don't find ourselves being called delusional or sick for believing something so simple as two people who might be in love? No. And you know why I don't feel guilty? Because I'm not the one doing it. I'm not the one behaving in a way that makes people believe I may be in love with my bandmate. I'm not the one ok with having that being made public or have flirty conversations on public platforms. And they are also not idiots. Let's be very clear about that. They are not. If we can draw conclusions so easily based on everything we see, rest assured they too are aware of how they come across. They are not some rookie idols six months into their debut at 15 years old. They are adults and this is the image they are fine with projecting. Be it real or not. Me or you and everyone else who is interested in them will see it. And if turns out we were wrong, two things to have in mind. Some people will feel shitty for various reasons. Some selfish and crazy, but a more common one would be having to accept that our beliefs are wrong, that we spent time and time again talking and thinking about something that made sense, based on logic and all of a sudden, it is not. But that's something each has to deal with.
What it is very important to note though, is that this is not a one way street. Opinions were made based on content and things those two people have said to each other and about each other. If one is delusional for drawing conclusions it's also because Jimin and Jungkook had their contribution to it. What we do with that is entirely our own responsibility. Some go bat shit crazy, like a group did when holding hands on the street of Paris was the rave for a few days and others will have other reactions. But let's not demonize fans completely and diminish the role of those who are actively offering the "material".
Seeing so many people in the fandom holding their breath waiting for "jikook to be debunked" is a lot more pathetic than those who ship them. I wonder if that same expectation is there for all the other ships that involve Jimin and Jungkook. My guess is not, which tells you a lot. It's a waiting game that is done through sending the same ill intentioned ask to bloggers to rile them up. It's making blogs or turning them into spaces for ex-jikookers. It's about making polls to have shippers and ex-shippers talk about how they would react when/if it ends. It's a game in which there is the need to win. Those who are not enjoying or aren't directly involved are not only eager to participate, but they are the ones who create the games, which says a lot more about how this one damn ship can really affect people from all corners of the fandom.
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theangryjikooker · 11 months
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Nobody believe in jikook anymore. Only the same 4 people are still delulu. If you're a person with brain you can see that jikook is dead as ship (if you believe that they were a couple) and changed as friendship. Yes they're still friends and they care about each other of course, but they're not close anymore, they don't have a lot in common, they don't feel the need to see each other in person. Basically their lives are different. It's sad because their relationship was cute and they really had the best chemistry but it's time to admit that it's over and they decided to have other people in their lives. I don't know what happened. It's sad but it's life. (And I'm not talking about the ship but more about their friendship).
I debated about posting this because a lot of submissions to me are clearly sent to evoke some kind of response, and I'm a little bit more no-nonsense about these things. However, just to clear the air:
Jikook as a ship isn't as dead as Taekook is. Just because Jikook isn't filling our timelines with acknowledgements of having spent time together doesn't mean they haven't or don't. Taehyung, on the other hand, can openly talk about spending time with Jungkook all he wants, but what can you really say about it other than two friends hanging out? Taennie will always supersede the Tkk narrative. Tkk, at one point, was just as possible as Jkk because there were a lot of unknown variables among them; unfortunately, the biggest unknown variable for Tkk has since been addressed. Let's not beat a dead horse.
I can agree that maybe Jikook's friendship has evolved into something else, as most relationships do, but I wouldn't be so quick to grieve their relationship or celebrate their alleged lack of one. Even if you wanted to perceive their relationship as something less than it is (not necessarily in a romantic sense), Jungkook certainly hasn't shied away from talking about Jimin or watching Jimin-centric content for a whole live, which isn't something he's previously done. Granted, he can do the same for Taehyung once his promotional activities kick in, but it should still paint a clear picture for you and everyone else that Jikook is in a cute, little sailboat minding its own business.
So should you.
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Shifty Knitwear is available all winter in the ShopShifty store!
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dandrew-stuff · 1 month
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DANAI IS SHOWING US A BIT OF INSIDE THE EPISODE 4🥹
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theredontbedragons · 11 months
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Black Sails Sets: The Walrus Half Ship & Full Merchant Ships
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