#anti house targaryen

[spacerockfloater]

In the show, Rhaenyra is just as weak and self centred as Viserys is.

The fact that she repeats her father’s mistake, remarrying and producing legitimate children who would overshadow her chosen yet questionable heir, is so stupid.

Viserys desires another woman and male heirs, therefore he gives into the temptation of obtaining Alicent and having male children, without realising that by doing this he’s making it difficult for Rhaenyra, a girl, to keep the throne.

Rhaenyra desires her uncle above everything else, therefore she gives into the temptation of obtaining Daemon and having children with him, without realising that by doing this she’s making it difficult for Jacaerys, a bastard, to keep the throne.

The dance would have happened anyway, maybe it could be postponed for one generation had Otto not been so eager to chase the throne, but it would still happen.

And let’s be real: had Viserys not chosen Alicent, he’d pick another girl, like Laena, whose father would want the exact same thing Otto wanted: his blood on the throne. Corlys admits that’s what he’s after. Anyone would do the same thing. All the great houses are ambitious. The issue is that Viserys and Rhaenyra kept making stupid choices that made it easier for them to be undermined and then they cry about it.

#house of the dragon #team green #anti rhaenyra targaryen #hotd #house hightower #pro team green #alicent hightower #anti hotd #anti targaryen #anti house targaryen #pro house hightower #targtowers #anti rhaenyra stans #anti daemyra #pro alicent stans #pro alicent hightower #pro aemond targaryen #anti targ restoration #anti targ stans

[atopvisenyashill]

Maybe grrm is secretly team blackfyre or team green because why are brown-haired targlings who were heirs to the iron throne losing, and it was passed down/on to white haired targlings? Kinda sus 🧐

#i'm fucking with you here anon obviously BUT alksjdflks #anons #asks #ummmmm #anti house targaryen #idk this is so unserious tho asldkjfslkdjfd #i actually don't think he's team green OR team black i think he is in fact team 'trying to write interesting characters'

[montyluvsjasper]

Jonsa fans write 1000+ post of all the foreshadowing of Jonsa.

Jon and Sansa are structured in the story as the romantic leads respectively. Even Sansa antis have admitted the extreme parallels between Jon and “Alayne”. Jon Snow literally has dreams about burning people and thinks it's the most vile thing possible. Sansa wished/prayed for a strong knight to kill Janos Slynt, and Jon’s the one to do it. Jon dies trying to save who he thinks is Arya Stark.

No I don't care about your wolf howl, your blue rose or your Targaryen restoration.

#jonsa #jon snow #sansa stark #anti jonarys #anti house targaryen #jon snow is now never picking the family that has strong blood supremacy issues to the point of using his mother uncle and grandfather like #sub human pawns #youre not getting tickets to that show #rhaegar bred lyanna to death just like he tried to do is first wife #Dany BURNS people Jon was taught the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword #jon would rather be a stark bastard than a Targaryen prince in 100% of cases I assure you

[saltywinteradult]

oh, d*ny stans. never change.

#mirri maz duur #anti daenerys targaryen #anti dany stans #anti-daenerys #anti asoiaf fandom #anti targaryen #anti-targaryen #anti targ stans #anti house targaryen #slavery tw #also for the love of god don't go harass the op. they're entitled to have their dumb opinions

[crimsonbastard]

Team Black when Non-Valyrian Women/Men won't conform to their Blood-Purist Power Fantasy.

#anti team black stans #anti team black #anti targ stans #anti targaryen restoration #anti house targaryen #pro team green

[dcrthvcder]

hbo pushing the black vs green propaganda as if they were not the ones who whitewashed the hell out of rhaenyra & tb will never not be funny to me. they need to stop getting their ideas from marvel seriously do they even know the purpose of fire & blood??

#anti house of the dragon #anti house targaryen #anti team black #anti rhaenyra targaryen #anti hotd #team green #alicent hightower #hotd #aegon ii targaryen #g.txt

[fvckinaphrodite]

Colonizers when they colonilized non-white people in the past:

"It's the will of God" (I dream about it)

"God makes me do it" (My prophetic dream makes me do it)

"We're children of God, and He has commanded us to spread our white supremacy agenda" (We're Valyrians and with our dragons we will conquer *ehem* defend these kingdoms)

"It's our destiny" (It's our destiny)

"We're destined to save these barbarians" (We're destined to save these non-valyrian people)

"We are the heroes, the saviors who defend humanity from the brutalism of the East in the name of Jesus Christ" (We're the heroes, the saviors who defend humanity from the threat far North in the name of our Valyrians' colonialism and prophetic dreams and dragons and stuff)

Yea no shit Sherlock definitely not sound like colonizers at all

#anti targaryen stans #anti targ stans #anti house targaryen

[earthyleo]

It will never not be funny to me how HBO always portrays the Targaryens in ways that force us to feel sad/empathetic to them, as if they're the tragic martyrs of the story. When Daenerys died the most sad soundtrack in the world was playing in the background and I was just watching that like: oh, am i supposed to feel sad right now? This woman just burned thousands of inoccents with no remorse and I should feel... sad... because SHE died?

I already can see Ramin Djawadi making the saddest soundtracks for moments when something bad happens to the targs in HOTD season 2 and I know i'll be watching that shit rolling my eyes, "oh no, the inbred corrupt monarchs are being killed, the tragedy 😭 oh and now their nuclear bombs shaped like flying lizards that they use for terrorizing and destroying entire cities are dying too noooo thats too much violence 😭 XD

#anti house targaryen #anti targ stans #anti team black #anti team green #house of the dragon #rant #ramin djawadi

[tell-them-the-north-remembers]

Don't get me wrong, I hate Robert Baratheon as much as the next person, he is awful. That being said, his hatred of Targs is SO real. Like every time someone so much as says the word Targaryen he is like "Fuck them all" and that might be the most relatable thing I have found in the book as I am re-reading AGOT again.

#this is obviously a joke btw so don't be offended #like i said i know robert is bad #but this is just too good to not talk about #really fuck them targs #they ruin everything #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #valyrianscrolls #robert baratheon #anti house targaryen #house targaryen

[thattargboy]

“This show is for Targ stans” you mean the show about the civil war that caused the death of dragons and the end of the Targaryen golden age? The show about a family tearing itself apart over what are essentially the generational curses that come with being a Targaryen, the supremacy and the entitlement and the incest that is a metaphorical representation of those things? That show?

#anti targ stans #anti targaryen #anti house targaryen #house of the dragon #hotd #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #dragon screeching #i wouldn’t even say this is anti targs I just don’t trust the fandom

[catofoldstones]

I once read someone call Alysanne 'fake feminist' and that is so accurate. She was a horrible, horrible mother to her daughters. Of course Jaehaerys was even worse but at least he did not pretend to care about women. If they were the standard for ideal Targaryen couple (lets not forget Jaehaerys reproductively abuses Alysanne in later years) and rulers, then the bar is lower than hell. I read about a random targaryen on a random day and am reminded why thankfully this family is near extinction and is never coming back to power.

I genuinely don’t know why people hail Jaehaerys and Alysanne as this objectively most romantic story ever when it reads like a horror story. Especially for their daughters, and even Alysanne. Every act that Jaehaerys and Alysanne do has an undercurrent of Targ Exceptionalism running through it. In fact, getting married to each other was was not so much an extremely romantic, star crossed lovers situation but more of a blood purity situation.

The way Alysanne matched up her daughters with old lords who already had heirs and had dead wives reeks of - our daughters’ kids will marry back into the family, keeping our blood pure so that no one can challenge the throne. And that is exactly what happened. The disconnect between being outwardly feminist- hiring a female bodyguard and then discontinuing the right of first night and then inwardly pushing your daughters to their inadvertent deaths by not granting them any freedom is very on brand with their philosophy and not at all surprising.

Alysanne clearly holds the “Targaryens are closer to Gods than men” ideal in the way she acts, lives, interacts with everything around her. Women who are not Targaryens can have these “freedoms” of choice, of marrying who they want (with some caveats ofc) outside the family, at a later age, but not her daughters. They’re different. They’re purer. They’re Targaryens. And they have to uphold Targaryen standards.

Do not even get me started on Jaehaerys. Though I do have to slightly disagree with you here, anon. Jaehaerys did pretend to care about women, once, where it really mattered. With Alysanne. He had to make his sister fall in love with him to keep their bloodline within the family. He had already usurped the crown of another sister, he could not let this one go. The mask slipped off of course, with time and age. When he still wanted more kids with Alysanne to have as many “pure” Targaryens as possible and then when he fought with her about Saera and Daella. I would argue he never cared for her beyond what she could give him. He’s a sociopath.

#alysanne targaryen #jaehaerys targaryen #fire and blood #f&b #anon asks t #anti house targaryen #btw #queued for later

[steelivoryporcelain]

One wig to rule them all, one wig to find them. One wig to to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

#house of the dragon #game of thrones humor #gameofthrones #game of thrones #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti daemon targaryen #anti viserys targaryen #anti house targaryen #house of the dragon humor

[fearthhereaper]

Placing my early bets on Aegon's Conquest:

They'll find a way to villainize the Martells/Dornish for not immediately bending the knee/killing Rhaenys and Meraxes/resisting the Targaryens. The attack on Dorne will be justified because they had the nerve to refuse the Targaryen rule and then later kill a woman that threatened and came to kill them.

Or.

There'll be a few of them (young and beautiful) that will desperately try to convince the old, ugly, overweight Meria Martell that she should bend the knee because they'll be so in awe of these God-like Targaryens, but she'll refuse them because she's a cruel woman who doesn't understand that Aegon had a dream to save the world!1!1!1!1 and that it's of utmost importance that he also take the throne from her/her family.

#anti targaryen #anti house targaryen #other than that #looking forward to it #house martell

[montyluvsjasper]

"It's such bad writing (insert stark) didn't like with Dany!!"

Yeah if you came to my house treating my brother like a play toy, threatened someone and acted like you're "doing me favor" when in fact this is the only time the army of the dead will be small enough to defeat.

I'm not sure I'd fall at your feet and worship you as a liberator in a country my families spilt blood and sacrifice freed.

#pro house stark #arya stark #sansa stark #jon snow #pro jon snow #pro sansa stark #no I will not be tagging dany in this #anti house targaryen #just for tumblr savior or whatever you kids use to block your tags now a days #i assume most people who'd like dany like that would also have that tag blocked #but i really hate putting hate in her tags

[greenmeanqueen]

Hi! Sorry for the rant but as an hater of the Rhaenys speech in episode nine to another I felt like you could understand .

In my personal experience ,it’s not only the Targaryen Exceptionalism that bothers me ,it’s also the not so subtle victim blaiming .

The whole window things to me was Rhaenys telling Alicent that she’s a loser for not having ambitions other than to see her family safe ,and the fact that Alicent didn’t girlboss her way out of her problems ( read :abuse)

It’s not only Rhaenys hypocrisy here that makes me go nuts,but the way the show constantly acts like Alicent is stupid for not fighting back against her abusers is sickening .This is a feudal society and their concept of abuse was different then ours ,so what was done to Alicent by Otto and Viserys (and Larys but in this case his behavior would never be normalized) will never get called out ,and Alicent as a woman is considered a property ,first of her father then her husband .She has power and wealth as long as these men give it to her .So she’s already in a bad situation societally and one hard ti escape.

On an emotional level ,Alicent is also really scared of both Otto and Viserys .And abuse victims feel trapped ,like they can’t escape . (and Alicent is trapped ).

The fact that Rhaenys shaming Alicent for being a victim is seen as a wise girlboss moment is something so fucked up .

Sorry for the rant ,and have a good day/night !

thank u for your ask and your thoughts, and i hope u enjoy me ranting some more about (probably) my least favorite exchange of dialogue in hotd!

i’m gonna go kinda line by line with my thoughts so this might get long.

Rhaenys: And you are usurping the throne.

subjective, i think, like a lot of the dance is. who’s the usurper depends on who believes who has the rightful claim. and let’s be real: if the greens didn’t have a leg to stand on, there wouldn’t be a dance. also, let’s recall that part of rhaenys’ stance in the great council was not only that she had a claim, but that her male child laenor had a claim. he, not rhaenys, was the main contender alongside viserys i. i think hotd really messed up important details in trying to simplify everything. anyway.

Alicent: It was my husband's dying wish. Believe it or no, it is of no consequence. Aegon will be king. I came here to ask your support.

Rhaenys: Well, I must credit you for your boldness.

hey, now that’s a take i can agree on, rhaenys! while not the most powerful member of the greens, without alicent’s boldness they would not have survived long.

Alicent: House Velaryon has long allied itself with the Princess Rhaenyra and what has it gained you? Your daughter dead, alone in Pentos. Your son cuckolded. Rhaenyra's heirs are none of yours. It is your husband who grasps so heedlessly for the throne. And even he has abandoned you. Gone these six long years to fight a desperate battle, returning grievously, if not mortally, wounded, leaving the Lady of Driftmark to chart her course alone.

(going by show canon) is alicent wrong though? is she wrong????? it might not be nice but it’s the truth as she sees it.

Rhaenys: The word of my house is not fickle.

Alicent: No. But, dear cousin, you more than any soul alive understand what I say now. Princess Rhaenys, I loved my husband, but I will speak the truth we both know. You should've been queen.

Rhaenys: I little thought to hear those words from you.

but why, rhaenys, did you not expect alicent to say those words to you? what on-screen interaction have you had with her in the past that led to this conclusion? or is that the internalized misogyny talking???

see, this little quip reeks of narrative fuckery. everybody just inherently hates alicent bc *checks notes* she’s a “bad feminist”… in a medieval patriarchal society. if rhaenys doesn’t think alicent would say that, show me why she doesn’t think alicent would say that based on something other than “vibes”.

doesn’t make sense that it’s bc alicent married viserys instead of laena; doesn’t make sense that it’s bc alicent and rhaenyra fought after aemond lost his eye; doesn’t make sense that it’s bc alicent rules in viserys’ stead (if anything, that’d make it more likely she’d say it bc she and rhaenys are/were in similar positions, able to rule when their husbands couldn’t); doesn’t make sense that it’s bc alicent worked with vaemond so he could inherit driftmark (and not lucerys, another male).

so where?

Alicent: The Iron Throne was yours by blood and by temperament. Viserys would've lived his days a country lord, content to hunt and study his histories, but here we are. We do not rule, but we may guide the men that do. Gently. Away from violence and sure destruction and instead toward peace.

the “we do not rule, but…” lines are actually so important to me, because it’s alicent speaking as a woman who understands her position in society to another woman (maybe one who she hopes can feel the same). it’s alicent have a very firm grasp on what her limitations are and thus what is reasonably possible for her to do. here, i think, she underestimates rhaenys’ pride and concept of her own privilege, bc rhaenys does not view herself as a “mere woman”, she’s a targ, and she couldn’t nor wouldn’t visualize anything else.

Rhaenys: Is it in the name of peace that you've imprisoned me? And what of my dragon?

Alicent: If we are overmatched, Rhaenyra will be tempted to strike us, and war will ensue. Without your dragon, she may be persuaded to negotiate. If it's Driftmark you want, you shall have it for you and your granddaughters to pass on as you see fit.

excellent point from alicent. it’s a smart political move to keep rhaenys confined while her loyalties are uncertain. again, it’s not a “nice” thing to do to someone, but it’s not the time to be nice; it’s time to survive. giving rhaenys free reign would give her free reign to use a WMD on whoever she chooses. so, yeah, it is kind of in the name of peace to keep the user away from the weapon, because meleys is a weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION that could destroy the city and kill many.

and guess what happens later at the coronation? alicent is proven right. you let rhaenys out, you let the carnage out.

Rhaenys: You are wiser than I believed you to be, Alicent Hightower.

Alicent: A true queen counts the cost to her people.

Rhaenys: And yet you toil still in service to men. Your father, your husband, your son. You desire not to be free, but to make a window in the wall of your prison. Have you never imagined yourself on the Iron Throne?

i will stand by the post i made back when this episode aired, that some people can only hope to make windows.

if you can see a door, that’s great, but some people can’t and can only visualize fresh air. maybe you could help her find the door, rhaenys, but you’re more interested in shaming her.

rhaenys’ hypocrisy comes out here in full force in how she views alicent’s actions vs. her own, when she has done similar if not exactly what alicent has. but rhaenys is a targ/aryen, she’s got the dynasty and the dragonfire to back her up; alicent has to work with what your typical noble lady has. so, no, alicent can’t just do whatever she wants, bc, like you said redroses, her power is what others allow her. looks like rhaenys doesn’t have a window in the wall of her prison of privilege, and instead bricked herself up with her hypocrisy.

now. while i have ranted for quite a bit now, i do think it’s okay that rhaenys does not agree with alicent and does not see her as she is. that’s character conflict! that makes a great story! i can disagree with rhaenys’ perspective (and i do), but that she has it isn’t entirely the issue. what hammers in the frustration i have is that the narrative is siding with her, not allowing for these two women to have different points of view in shades of grey. the narrative doesn’t push for any interpretation other than rhaenys is correct, and that alicent is a bigoted, self-righteous fool, bc how dare she defend her son’s claim? “that’s not very girlboss of you, alicent, so we don’t care about your reasons for doing so and how they just might be valid from your POV.”

the scene ends without a retort more from alicent, again signaling how the narrative intends this as a “gotcha!” mic drop moment. but since i’ve gone this far, i might as well argue that the following could be considered one, bc she does at least get the final word:

Alicent: I'll leave you with your thoughts.

go ahead and have your thoughts, rhaenys. see how far you go, and if you won’t end up just like the mere mortals after all.

#who knows maybe you can girlboss your way out of dragonfire #sorry i got heated #i hope my ramblings made sense #alicent hightower #pro alicent hightower #anti rhaenys velaryon #anti hotd #anti targaryen #anti house targaryen #anti targaryen exceptionalism #ask a gal

[crimsonbastard]

That's it. I've had it with these brain-dead takes

Rightful Queen:

Firstly, what the fuck do you mean when you say Rightful? There's no "Rightful" monarch in ASOIAF. There are only the ones who are elected as per the laws in which the Realm Functions. So There's only Lawful Queen or Lawful King.

Daenerys: Wasn't the Rightful Queen by blood, but by conquest (mass murdering an entire city that surrendered), but even then, she had contenders to the Throne in the form of her nephew. Her family was deposed through rebellion and they were in exile.

The throne no longer belonged to her unless she forcefully claimed it back. After Robert's death, the crown goes to Stannis, the next in line, followed by Shireen, considering Robert's children aren't his. But since all the legitimate Baratheons died and Gendry wasn't legitimized yet, the Lannisters covertly took the crown by continuing to pose Cersei's children as true borns (the children atleast took after one of the parents, making the argument for their legitimacy somwhat strong, Unlike Rhaenyra).

Daenerys took Kingslanding by force, decimating the city and it's populace with Dragon Fire and seated herself on the Throne. So yes, she has become the Lawful Queen by right of Conquest, all that's left is to eliminate the equally Lawful Contender to the throne, it being Jon.

Rhaenyra: Despite Viserys i (who was the younger of the two candidates, but got elected over Rhaenys who was older than him) naming her as his heir after Aemma's and Baelon's death he never really prepares her to rule in the future. He doesn't teach her the ways of Politics, nor does he reinforce the line of succession. He instead puts his daughter's claim in jeaprody and remarries, and sires THREE LEGITIMATE SONS. As unfair as it sounds, Westeros follows Male Primogeniture, the very system that made Viserys i heir to the throne over Rhaenys. As long as Aegon ii, Aemond and Daeron lived, Rhaenyra would always have challengers to the Throne.

"Half-Blooded" Murderer named Aegon:

Funny how TB thinks just because someone's Half-Targ (half inbred), It automatically makes them less of a claimant to the throne. Paternity goes a long way in Westeros.

Aegon ii is the first born son of King Viserys ii Targaryen and Queen Alicent Hightower. He's the result of a legitimate marriage between two ancient and powerful houses. He was anointed by a Septon of the Faith, crowned with thousands as a witness. As shitty as his character is in the show, he's a more legitimate claimant to the throne compared to Rhaenyra and her illegitimate children.

Jon Snow (Aegon) being confirmed to be R+L=J in the show doesn't make him a "half-blood" by any chance. He's the Son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The show states that Rhaengar annulled his marriage with Elia Martell, making Jon a "legitimate" (as per TB) contender to the throne.

There's also the implication of the term "half-blooded" used in the post. Just because Jon and Aegon ii are half Targaruen doesn't make them less of a claimant. It also sheds light on the Targaryen Exceptionalism that TB drinks like kool-aid. Anyone who's non-targ or is half-targ and isn't on the Targaryen side is automatically treated as lesser.

#anti team black #anti rhaenyra stans #pro alicent hightower #anti team black stans #pro team green #anti house targaryen #pro house hightower #aegon ii targaryen #pro jon snow #anti dany stans #anti daenerys stans