#anti-spuffy

[kyliafanfiction]

Thursday challenge: since you hate all these ships, rank them from the one you hate least to the one you hate most with no ties allowed :) Enjoy! Stelena, Delena, Klaroline, Bangel, Spuffy, Xanya and Fresley. I can't wait to see your rankings!

Okay, you are a cruel, cruel anon. Thank you :P ^^

Ranked from most hate to least hate:

Klaroline - has almost everything I don't like about Spuffy, but in a worse show.

Spuffy - baffling origin, terrible in terms of how it became canon, makes no sense, and the fans annoy me

Delena - Because they don't really seem to like Elena much, mostly seems like they just want Damon.

Stelena - because they're more likely to be super nasty towards Steroline shippers than Klaroline ones, from my limited experience

Bangel - Most of the time I just... don't like it. Doesn't usually make me as frustrated to see it. Easier to dismiss, narratively too.

Xanya - Not so much out of less hate for this, just more hate for the others

Fresley - I don't even really hate this one so much as not like.

#Asked and Answered #Rating Ships I Don't Like #Favorite Ships #Or rather Unfavorite #Anti-Spuffy #Anti-Klaroline #Anti-Delena #Anti-Stelena #Anti-Bangel #Anti-Xanya #Anti-Fresley

[liam-summers]

The fact that someone just intentionally brought up this deleted scene from the “Smashed” script to argue that Sp*ke wasn’t actually trying to kill Buffy after finding out his chip doesn’t work on her….he was just setting up a romantic evening for her…….🙃🤮

I have…..no words.

#the way they thought they were doing something #it’s not giving what they thought it was gonna give #it’s giving disturbed and delusional #this scene couldn’t be more clear as to what his intentions are #anti spuffy #anti spike #anti-spuffy

[keanherself]

When I see these stills of Buffy trying to protect herself from Spike in Wrecked

This is what goes through my mind.

#btvs #buffy summers #anti-spuffy #anti-spike #STAY AWAY FROM HER #GET A JOB #Youtube

[littlenastieswewhispered]

#spuffy #spike x buffy #buffy x spike #buffy the vampire slayer #btvs #embarrassing freak couple #btvs text post #my text posts #you’re the one buffy #i believe in you spike #my most random text post honestly #CW angel #i think this’ll be my only post with him ever #and he wouldn’t even say this the framing is just perfect for it #covering my bases: #anti-spangel #anti spangel

[hello-nichya-here]

Every now and then I just remember how Riley was painted as the victim in his relationship with Buffy and it just makes me so mad. The writers keep telling us that she didn't appreciate him and his way of loving her, but we are SHOWN that it was actually the other way around.

Buffy was not perfect, and it's clear she first got attached to Riley because he was a normal dude and she very much needed something in her life to be normal - but when it turned out he also had a secret life, that he was also the "hero" of his group, she accept it. She continued to like him. She still wanted him around.

Riley meanwhile seemed to resent her for being the slayer, for being stronger than him, for having other stuff going on in her life, for having dated/being the object of affection of guys that were stronger than him.

His insecurity is ridiculous. He was literally willing to die just to be a very strong, but also very dead guy, instead of being a completely healthy dude with the strength of a regular dude. He even acts like him not being able to beat Buffy in a fight, even with the "power up" is what is causing her to be "distant" sometimes, not the fact that, like he said himself, she needs to prevent the end of the world every other week and that's kinda stressful and takes a lot of her free time.

He also complains about her asking him to take care of her younger sister, the most important thing in the world to her, so she doesn't have to worry about that while out killing vampires and demons - and he thinks of that as her "not letting her be useful", and then complains again when she gives him a bullshit role in the whole "stopping the doom of all of humanity", even though he just refused the thing that would make him actually useful. He also conveniently forgets things like Buffy asking HIM specifically to take care of her after she was wounded in a fight. He doesn't see any of that as her truly including him in her life and full on needing him like he wants her to - because it's not in the way that allows him to pretend he is THE hero, not the hero's boyfriend. Being important TO her doesn't actually matter, what he really wants is to feel superior, to be more important than her.

And even outside of the Slayer stuff: this dude really heard that his girlfriend's mother was potentially dying, and instead of thinking of how he can be there for her (something he CLAIMS he wants to do) all he can think about is "Why didn't she immediately call me? Why did she tell Spike first?" (I'm a spuffy fan, but come on, she only told Spike because he just happened to show up at the very second she was ready to open up about it and just needed a shoulder to cry on). Everything, even his girlfriend's struggle with the possibility of her parent dying and her needing to step up as a parent to her sibling, needs to be about HIM, his feelings, his wants and needs.

The fucker even has the nerve to cheat on her during all of this. Compare that to Angel going to Sunnydale to give her emotional support after Joyce died, or Spike comforting her before even knowing WHY she was crying and then sending flowers without a card to honor her mom and offer Buffy some compassion, but without disrespecting her very explicit "stay away from me, Spike." It's very clear which of these three guys never actually cared about her, even a little bit.

Hell, Riley is 100% sure that the only way for Buffy to "prove" her love is to suffer for him. Her sister tells him "I like you much more than her ex, you would never break her heart like he did" - and somehow, he doesn't take that as "Buffy and her family fully trust that I'm a good guy that would never do anything to hurt her" (something Buffy herself says to Angel's face in his show) but rather as a "Nothing I do would ever hurt her because she doesn't actually love me the way she loved Angel."

Not to mention: his assumption that Buffy was only ever attracted to Angel because he was a vampire, and thus any other vampire like Draculla or Spike could easily steal her from him, just shows how much he didn't understand her at all.

Buffy started crushing on Angel thinking he was just a normal human that knew about the supernatural and wanted to fight the good fight. She didn't find out about him being a vampire until he lost control for a second and went vamp-face after their first kiss, and it freaked her out.

She fangirled for a second meeting Dracula, but man, come on, OF COURSE the slayer will be excited to see the most popular vampire ever, and she was more than willing to kill him. The whole reason there were any flirty vibes between them was because the dude had literal mind-control powers.

Spike is the closest Buffy ever got to "dating a vampire because he is a vampire" and that was because she was literally craving death. Even then, she was horrified at her own attraction to him, AND there was a different side to their relationship, with Buffy liking Spike because he was the one person that wasn't disappointed and resenting her for being depressed.

For fuck's sake, she had a thing for PLENTY of normal guys - RILEY VERY MUCH INCLUDED!

He was the one that only cared about "who is stronger" and kept insisting that Buffy was the same even after overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And for the show to then make HER go after him, make HER all sad when he is dating someone else, make one of her closest friends blame HER for everything that went wrong in their relationship, and then make HER basically claim he was right with bullshit lines like "I wasn't there for him like I was for Angel" is ridiculous - specially when, again, what made Buffy want to be with Riley in the first place was her trying to not fall into another unhealthy relationship like the one she had with Angel. They were codependent and when he left it nearly destroyed her. OF COURSE she's gonna try not being as obsessed with the next boyfriend (or with the one after him) because she knows that shit doesn't end well.

Again, say what will about both Angel and Spike, but at least Angel walked away after realizing their relationship was a dead-end that would never make Buffy truly happy, and Spike put himself through hellish torture to get his soul back and make sure he'd be a better man who would never make Buffy suffer.

RILEY being framed as "the perfect guy Buffy couldn't appreciate and let get away" is just insulting. Of all the guys Buffy has ever been with, he is the one that deserved her the least.

#buffy summers #buffy the vampire slayer #btvs #buffy deserved better #anti riley #spuffy

[raisedbythetv89]

Never not thinking about how Buffy has to beg and plead for Angel to not let the sun kill him when the first was tormenting him with what he’s done and that fact that soul or no soul he still wants to hurt Buffy and he concludes the only way he won’t is to kill himself….. and the only reason he didn’t dust was the storm and he was fully gonna let her watch him die again because he couldn’t face what a worthless piece of shit and a monster even with the soul he really is (and then suddenly they’re back together even though Buffy said they couldn’t be together anymore like RIGHT before all this so essentially Angel threatens to kill himself and then suddenly he and Buffy are back together 🙃 i hate it here)

Riley was gonna let himself die rather than become even weaker than Buffy while she again begs for him to stop being a whiny attention seeking toddler and grow the fuck up and do what he needs to do so he won’t DIE (my words not hers obviously lol) and when that doesn’t work and she still doesn’t “pay enough attention to him or need him enough” in his eyes while she’s ya know being the slayer, raising her sister and taking care of her sick mother…. He cheats on her in a way that again threatens his own life and the lives of everyone he could easily kill in her life if he were to be turned and when THAT doesn’t work he threatens to leave forever unless she forgives him IMMEDIATELY

And Spike who is the only one to actually die after she again is pleading you don’t have to do this “no there’s still time you’ve done enough” because Spike knows Buffy doesn’t deserve “good enough” Buffy deserves everything, she deserves to be free of the hellmouth even though that means they can’t be together and he’ll die

Two man-children who threaten to kill themselves because they can’t handle what they’ve done or that they’re not as strong as they think they are and drag an overburdened and traumatized young woman they had no business even dating in the first place along for their self-destructive ride vs a man who literally already sacrificed everything he was to become someone she could love without guilt, sacrificing everything he fought to become, for her and her beloved world she loves so much and fights so hard to protect.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO MEN WHO THREATEN DEATH VS THE MAN WHO ACTUALLY DIED AND THE VASTLY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THESE THREE EVENTS 😭😭😭

Spike dying BECAUSE he was worthy of Buffy’s love rather than because he wasn’t like the two who came before him

#SPIKE SUPREMACY #SPUFFY SUPREMACY #like I’m sorry but it’s genuinely no contest #spuffy #spike and buffy #spike x buffy #certified angel and riley hater for life #anti angel #anti bangel #anti riley finn #anti biley #spuffy meta

[lilatara]

the irony of Something Blue is that despite it being an audience fave episode, it's maybe one of the preeminent examples of writer/audience dissonance. Like, fandom may not fight about it. There's no discourse about writers room disagreements, it's not controversial. But is there a final episode note that feels as off as the intended hopeful Buffy/Riley scene trying to make us root for them? They gave us an episode of Spuffy and Scooby hijinks and chemistry, and then capped it off by trying to tell us that we SHOULD be rooting for the parts of the episode that brought it to a dead halt every time.

instead of going out on cookies and Wind Beneath My Wings, we leave with the promise of more Buffy/Riley. And instead of being the promising note they're aiming for, it's more like a sinking sense of dread that we're in for months, possibly YEARS of boredom.

#buffy #buffy the vampire slayer #spuffy #something blue #spike #buffy summers #anti-riley finn #btvs

[dreamsuvivor]

Riley boy… if you can’t handle dating a bad bitch, don’t date the baddest of them

#btvs #riley finn #buffy the vampire slayer #buffy summers #anti riley finn #spike #spike btvs #spuffy #angel btvs

[nevergonnabemuchmorethanweather]

My favorite Sp*ffy moment is when Spike watched Buffy and Angel interact again for two minutes in End of Days and it obliterated three years worth of obsessive hope that she might actually love him.

No amount of beating him up or explaining her actual feelings or dropping bomb sized hints could do it but one look at her with Angel and he was like "Oh right that's what Buffy in love looks like. Yeah I was nowhere even close. This is embarrassing."

#btvs #anti spuffy #bangel

[kyliafanfiction]

I really don’t get it. I despise Bangel as much as I do Spuffy, but damn me to hell if it isn’t the Spuffy shippers that annoy me more rn.

#Though that hasn't always been the case #I do feel like Spuffy has started to rub on exposed nerves more and more of late #Grumping #Anti-Bangel #Anti-Spuffy #Anti-Bangel Shippers #don't get me wrong they annoy me too #Anti-Spuffy Shippers #Not every shipper of either both yeesh both shipdoms are full of people with such repulsive opinions #Like it's not even that they don't like X or do like Y #it's what the metas they write articulate about *them* #and also that they clearly didn't watch the same show as Me I mean they did but WTF

[greensaplinggrace]

I think one of the biggest differences between bangel and spuffy is that angel isn’t a partner to buffy. he’s not even someone she knows that well. he’s not someone she’s ever familiar with, and he’s not someone she can ever fully rely on.

yeah their romance was big and grand and all the things a tragic fairytale romance is. but at the end of the day their relationship is so incredibly surface level. all there is is the idea of love, and not even the real thing.

#btvs #spike btvs #spuffy #buffy summers #anti angel #anti bangel #just in case #tbh I’m usually a multishipper when it comes to this sort of thing but… #b*ngel comes across as so surface level to me #there’s no real force or depth to it #even disregarding the weird vibes angel gives off about buffy’s age and his condescension and when he first fell in love with her #and all the ways he keeps her hooked by refusing to leave her alone after breaking up with her #a choice that he makes ‘for her own good’ - which he seems to do a lot #it’s that he has no real impact on her as an actual person/slayer with interests and complexity and depth #while he hurt her and affected her #sometimes it feels like he barely made a scratch at all to what actually represents her personhood #anyways I don’t hate him or the ship really and I get why people like him #it’s just to me it’s kind of ridículous that people #say he was it for buffy #when he was barely even a partner #that’s high school romance not real bone deep love #myramblings

[kryptiqa]

it’s always been spuffy 🩵

#spuffy #buffy the vampire slayer #btvs #spikebuffy #spike and buffy #spike btvs #buffyverse #buffy summers #buffy x spike #spuffy edit #anti bangel

[lecoindecachou]

Do I hate that ship or do I just hate the shippers, a novel by me

#dare i tag the ships? #anti spuffy #anti snowbarry #anti buddie #anti supercorp #anti sterek #anti destiel #but in fairness i hate all spn fans equally #anti bughead #anti johnlock

[queenqunari]

Reading a Spuffy fic that takes place during season 4 and getting to the chapter about R*ley’s behavior

#I’m not normally one for bashing characters/ships #but I have yet to meet a person who actually likes r*ley #if you like him that’s fine but it’s just really funny how he’s dealt with in spuffy fics #spuffy #btvs #buffy the vampire slayer #buffy summers #spike btvs #anti riley finn

[littlenastieswewhispered]

i get that spike/spuffy antis have to hate season seven on principle (and the fact that they act like spike’s arc is entirely frivolous and unimportant is so wildly dismissive of buffy’s i don’t think they actually even like her!), but so many are straight up factually incorrect about what actually happens. i don’t know if it’s a media literacy issue or a choice to be obstinate. probably a mixture. when you want something to be a certain way, misunderstanding something gives you room to declare yourself right.

their main talking point is that ensouled spike forces his presence on buffy. this… just doesn’t happen even once in the season. at all.

spike doesn’t return to sunnydale to see buffy. he goes back to the hellmouth. probably because it’s all he knows, as a demon he considers it home, and not for nothing he’s already being controlled by the first who wants him in place for a specific purpose.

in the first episode, lessons, buffy comes across spike on her own. he’s at some of his most insane for this interaction, and he walks away from her. in the next episode, beneath you, buffy seeks spike out. she goes to the basement and can’t find him. he’s actively hiding from her.

later in the same episode he gets himself cleaned up and goes to her, for the first and only time. he says it’s because something terrible is coming and he wants to offer his help. he tells her if she doesn’t want him around, tell him and he’ll leave and she can revoke his invite (which notably is still active). she doesn’t. she accepts his help.

they talk while looking for the demon and buffy says she can tell something is different about him but she doesn’t know what. spike makes a point to say he isn’t going to tell her what it is. that’s MAJOR. spike does not want buffy to know about his soul. he doesn’t put it on her, and he doesn’t make it her problem. he ends up telling her only after it’s nearly forced out of him and he’s triggered back into insanity after a lucid period. after he reveals his soul, he leaves.

in the next episode, same time same place, buffy seeks spike out. he’s once again hiding in the basement, so she knows where to find him, but he does not go to her. she enlists his help that episode, twice.

the next episode is help. buffy goes to the basement to see spike. she asks if he knows anything about cassie. he later helps buffy save cassie from the boys trying to sacrifice her.

in the next one, selfless, buffy once again goes to spike. it’s a definite a pattern. buffy seeks out spike. it’s actually a lot like much of their relationship in season six, only much more one sided. she tells him to leave the basement because it’s bad for him.

the next episode, him, sees a big shift. it’s still buffy going to spike, but this time she doesn’t just leave him in the basement. she actively chooses to help him out of it, getting xander to let him move into his apartment. there’s a huge and important change in their dynamic now. they are solidly in each other’s lives, and that was and continues to be buffy’s choice.

i won’t do little synopses for each episode from the rest of the season, but from here spike offers to leave at minimum four additional times, half a dozen or more total all season.

he earnestly wants buffy to kill him in sleeper and never leave me, because he’s devastated and terrified that he’s killing. buffy says no, she’s going to help him and she believes in him. she rescues him, because she wants to, and moves him back into her house.

later on spike seems to be gaining back control of his mind, but when the first threatens him he once again says he’s a danger and needs to leave and buffy says no because shes not ready for him not to be here.

buffy wants spike in her life. she makes that fact extremely clear. maybe at first it wasn’t for the healthiest reasons, but a major theme of season seven is spike and buffy healing both as individuals and growing closer together because of it. their relationship empowers and strengthens buffy, and the final episode is called chosen for a reason. this season is about buffy’s agency. that starts when she decides who’s in her life and who isn’t.

there’s never a single moment where spike makes that decision for her. he doesn’t once tell buffy she has to accept him, or that he should have access to her. he doesn’t come around when she says to leave, because she doesn’t say to leave. he stays away from her until she beckons him back. over and over.

spike doesn’t think he deserves anything from buffy. he believes the opposite, even encouraging her to date and hiding his heartache about it. he doesn’t make his insanity and suffering her problem. she volunteers to help him.

i understand having issues with the writing choice of spike back in buffy’s life at all after what happened in season six, but only if you’re engaging with it honestly. you can dislike that buffy makes the choice to have spike around, but it’s obvious when you disregard her agency and pretend he’s the one calling the shots. you hate a story that didn’t happen, and it’s impossible take seriously.

#spuffy #btvs #buffy the vampire slayer #you’re the one buffy #i believe in you spike #btvs meta #rant full steam ahead #basically a subtweet to a particularly pathetic anti on insta #spuffy is endgame #buffy loves spike #and spuffies stay winning

[mulderscully]

do you guys ever think about how buffy loved spike, so unabashedly honestly, in s7. how she tells him he has to stay because she isn't ready for him to not be there, how he's there because she wants him there (which already insane bc this a vampire in her house) and then he dies. and she obviously has to grieve him, even though we never saw it. and then it's like he's dead and then he's not and his first thought is about her, how he has to go to her and angel has the absolute gall to tell spike that she wouldn't want to see him, that buffy never loved him- KNOWING that isn't true because buffy said so. like people always say how bullshit it is that spike didn't contact buffy when he was resurrected but how insane is it to think about him being alive and her still thinking he's dead.

#spuffy #anti bangel #sort of idk not really #just in case