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jules-ln · 9 months

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Honestly I love the Iliad, I've read it completely from beginning to end several times because I don't hace anything better to do.

But the Iliad... Is not that hard to understand.

And more than that, the Iliad is not that hard to read either, I found it pretty fast paced actually. But it might be hard to read for some, because it's so old and a lot of people don't have the context. I didn't know who Aeacides was supposed to be, until I learned it was another way to refer to Achilles.

But my point is. I don't like the way people act like they are superior just for reading one book.

Like, Have you read the Iliad? It has two talking horses, Patroclus stops mid battle to make a joke, actually there are several jokes in the Iliad, and all the parts with the Gods could be a comedy sketch.

Don't get me wrong; the Iliad is pretty good, but at the end it's just entertainment, spectacle. If you can reflect on it and arrive to some philosophical conclusion, good for you, but you can also just turn off your brain and enjoy it.

So now the real reason for my ramblings: why are so many people so angry at the song of Achilles? Like, I'm not saying that's a book beyond criticism, but, every single criticism I've read also applies to other adaptations of the Iliad that most people just leave alone.

"Patroclus is supposed to be badass not weak!" I've read/seen a ton of adaptations older than TSoA that made Patroclus useless (and we don't have time to unpack why a lot of people associate lack of violence with weakness, when at that time the hardest choice would be not to fight). "It glorifies Achilles!" Again, most adaptations older than TSoA do that too. "It's not accurate to the original" Honestly if you just want a copy of the original, you might as well just read the Iliad.

And some of you are acting like Madeline Miller personally went to your house and kicked your pet; I remember once I went to her Twitter and the first thing I saw was her calling attention to a list of organizations that help black Trans people. Why the hate?

I'm starting to think that a lot of the hate for this book it's fueled because a lot of its fans are teenage girls, and as we all know, these people committed the capital sin of: being a teenage girl.

If it was just because it's popular, you should be hating Troy (2004) more.

And, if I'm allowed to be a bit mean. You want to look smart for reading a book? Read something that isn't literature. Read Hegel and then we'll talk about being smart for reading a book.

#Iliad #the iliad #Achilles #greek myth #greek mythology #Might delete later if I feel like it #This is actually my call out post to Hegel #I hate Hegel. I had to read it in High school #Like. I've read Plato. Foucault. Nietzsche. Marx. And none were as boring as Hegel #But to be fair I haven't read Judith Butler yet so I might be in for a surprise #Hegel

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anticomedygarden · 1 year

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fanfic writer :) fandom list under the cut. links to my fics in bio.

pfp is rat from the comic strip 'pearls before swine' by stephan pastis

header is a quote from the song of achilles by madeline miller

updates:

keeping the faith: i've abandoned the posting schedule lol (sorry)

part 4 of 'wolf' is coming at some point :)

organization:

everything should be grouped by fandom

if something fits in two fandoms, it's linked under all relevant groups

microfics written for prompts are all under the fandom label

if something is wrong or in the wrong spot, please lmk so i can fix it

ALL of my fics are also on ao3

generally, i'll write for:

golden trio era (hp series):

drarry, romione, linny, bleville, blon, pansmione, etc. basically just send in an ask for these guys and i'll tell if you if it's something i will or won't do

canon up to a point, aus welcome

marauders era (hp series):

wolfstar, jily, jegulus, dorlene, and marylily. there are some others that i will do only by specific request.

i don't like snape or dumbledore and will not tolerate lily evans hate

i have not read all the young dudes

ONLY AUS OR CANON DIVERGENCE FOR ALL MARAUDERS STUFF UNLESS THE CANON REQUEST IS SHORT AND DOESN'T FOLLOW THROUGH THEIR DEATHS ISTG I'LL CRY

also fuck jkr, she can die

pjo and the riordanverse

canon ships, but this is flexible, also i really love pipeyna

magnus chase, kane chronicles, and trials of apollo welcome, though i can't promise it will be as good or accurate as the pjo/hoo stuff

also when i say canon compliant in regards to trials of apollo, i mean i pick and choose the parts that i liked

will do aus, canon divergence, and canon

rwrb - BOOK ONLY

canon preferred

the shadowhunter chronicles - NOT TV OR MOVIES:

canon ships

aus preferred

throne of glass:

canon ships, but manorian and chaorene are up for debate (i like dorian x chaol)

aus preferred

acotar (sarah j. maas):

only canon ships, please don't send in requests for a non confirmed ship (i.e. elriel, gwynriel, elucien, etc.)

aus preferred

tsoa:

canon ships, patrochilles preferredly

ONLY AUS. i have not read the iliad or the odyssey, and trying to write for canon will make me cry

original ideas:

go ahead and send in requests if one of my originals catches your eye.

other:

this is not a complete list of media i'm into, so y'all can send in whatever, and i'll just let you know whether or not i'm in into it

headcanons

any

if you want to send in a prompt but don't know what you want, check out the prompt generator in my bio!

will write:

fluff

angst

hurt/comfort

kid fics

most aus and tropes

social media fics - if you want one of these, the ask needs to be in strong detail (tumblr is my only social, and i don't follow trends at all)

car crashes, but only if it ends happy

alcohol use as long as it's not alcohol abuse

toxic relationships, but only if it ends happy

will not write:

smut

reader/author insert (unless an original story is in second person)

smoking (this includes marauders era!)

gender swap*

incest

major character death/unhappy ending

suicide

mpreg

a/b/o

*this isn't to say i won't write genderqueer characters, just for some reason, i've never been able to get into gender swap stuff. i will write any and all queer identities to the best of my ability! love y'all <3

#guidelines #not fic

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d3add0vedonoteat · 2 years

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#the song of achilles #tsoa #patrochilles #achilles x patroclus #patroclus #song of achilles #tsoa shitpost #shitpost #tsoa patrochilles #dankest memes #cursed memes #completely accurate tsoa #one hundred percent factual Greek mythology #gay

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antiloreolympus · 3 years

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10 Anti LO Asks

1. Why is no one talking about one of the most stupid things we've seen in this webtoon thus far? I'm talking about the fact that H&P deadass pull a "I nominate Hades as an attorney to defend me in this case uwu" and the mf accepts (clearly the had it planned) although he is part of the jury.

Now, I don't have fast pass but I really hope this whole thing is forbidded by Zeus in the next episodes. It makes no fucking sense! Hades is not a lawyer, and as a god is not associated with law/justice (him being a king doesn't excuse this, he is there to "judge" not to defend the accused).

This really proves that absolutely nothing works against Persephone ever. She is able to get away with murder and have zero consequences for her actions, all while the smurf plays daddy with her, spoils her and defends her in court WHICH SHOULD NOT BE EVEN POSSIBLE LMAO.

From OP: It’s allowed because ‘loophole’.

2. I would like to add to what that person said about the characters looking too stiff. Literally that panel towards the end of ep. 179 where P said "I nominate Hades" is the best example of this. Wtf is wrong with her hand? It looks like a wooden doll with her arm extended like that. The only explanation I have for this (aside from the fact that the art style sucks big time) is that she's trying to imitate the art style on the ancient Greek amphoras (amphorae?), but even the scenes depicted on them had signs of natural movement, with the bodies looking much less stiff of course.

3. Anyone else wanna mention the backgrounds are also just not there at this point? Like she was already bad with this in the beginning but at least there was some sketch up lines to give the impression they were in a real space, but now it’s literally just blank voids of color and that’s it, and often not good use of color either (why is the above land pink while the underworld is blue? It makes it hard too tell what’s going on). There aren’t even establishing shots to at least give the readers an idea where they are and then becoming abstract about it, it’s all abstract and flat, which doesn’t help when the characters also are so lacking in character design and aren’t really doing anything pose or action wise. The world around them don’t even seem like actual places, it just seems like a set, and a very cheap one at that. It just ends up looking so boring in all fronts.

4. I don't know why it's only happening now but Persephone's eyebrows have started to piss me off lately. Why are they pure black? And when did they become so thick? It doesn't fit in with the rest of her fair and hairless appearance, it just looks like her brow artist did a piss poor job on them.

5. it honestly makes me sad looking at the first few lo episodes. were they perfect? god no, but at least the art was unique and had some actual thought put in it, but by around episode 25 or so you begin to notice the style is becoming less and less, until you have what it is now which is completely different, and not for the better. i know styles change and all, but this is a case where it got so much worse, losing its unique factor to look so generic and lacking instead. it make me sad.

6. Ive noticed LO fans dont seem to enjoy any other greek myth works, only LO. for example there's a huge overlap in PJO fans liking Hades Games and BoZ, and Hadestown fans towards TSOA, and so on and so on, meanwhile LO overwhelmingly don't even read other HxP stuff like Punderworld and openly hate stuff like PJO. They tend to only consume LO while claiming to be "big myth fans". It reminds me of Potterheads who claim to be big book nerds when they've really only read the series and nothing else.

7. its truly a testament to how bad the writing is from RS in that she honestly thought it was a dramatic twist apollo and artemis of all people were children to zeus, despite looking exactly like him and not like their mother. also, tbh, the fact hera humiliated leto and treats the twins like garbage, it is any wonder theyre being depicted so negatively in LO? theyre only used to prop up hades and p's "friendships" to eros and daphne. artemis is even the "bad" maiden. it's all so stupid.

8. the thing to me is no retelling of myths will be perfect, how could they be? but LO takes the cake at claiming its so researched and is the actual truth and is 99%+ correct (both from rachel's words as well as by her fans) with both refusing to even admit to any mistakes and refusing any critique, especially from greeks themselves, that's where the issue is to me. you cannot claim to be so well researched only to be upset when people notice the many obvious inaccuracies. that's not how it works.

9. there's a part of me that wonders why LO has never featured any MLM romances like poseidon, zeus, or apollo's many male lovers, but then i remembered she doesn't care about poseidon and both zeus & apollo are both evil to her, her made up WLW romances are terrible, and all relationships that cant be used to prop up hades and persephone are made cruel and abusive, so maybe that's a blessing in disguise that she's so bad at even remembering LGBTQ+ relationships, much less depicting them.

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10. The whole trial thing just puts into perspective how much plot points go off the rails. I was actually looking forward to finally hearing from Demeter that Persephone IS a fertility goddess and them having a argument before the trial, but then it just left on a Clift hanger. And then oh wow Hades is being her lawyer, which??, pretty sure that’s not how that works but okay whatever he’s going against his brothers. But he doesn’t even make an opening statement because the other side does instead. And then Hermes shows up and his backstory starts and everything gets so muddled. I’m not an expert on court cases but seeing the witness be called up right after and the other side just make a bunch of shi up instead of stating a pathos but accurate opening statement hurts my brain. Not to mention the jury and people just speaking out at random? Like can Rachel just write something serious for once? Or at least somewhat accurate? Legally blonde had a better comedy court case scene than whatever this is.

#anti lo #anti lore olympus #lore olympus critical #lo critical

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lunaescribe · 3 years

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"Achilles Doubts his Choice"

AKA my attempt at historically accurate Patrochilles!

I know a lot of people tend to grip to the Illiad mentioning Achilles’ “Golden” hair, and it leads to him being...very much looking like a Norse European instead of a, as described and depicted in Ancient Art, brown skinned one. Additionally, the Greeks used color in different ways than we do now, that apparently speaking in similes about the radiance of colors more than a direct connotation (Madeline Miller shared a great article about it on her twitter and about race in Ancient Greece) - which is why different translations vary Achilles’ hair from blonde to red-they’re talking about the luminance of his hair being a demigod, as opposed to being directly blonde. Hence why I choose to give him light brown hair that was very reflective and luminescent.

Additionally as a historian I feel the obligation to keep reminding people Ancient Greece was full of darker skinned, curly haired, people. We have the literal frescos (Shown above) to prove it. I think a lot of times for artists their bias of “beauty” also come into play when depicting Patroclus and Achilles. I don’t blame them completely because like I said above, the idea of “blonde” Achilles in the Illiad is how he’s come to been popularized. However I do tend to find it unfortunate this tends to lead to a lot of artwork where Achilles, the demigod ethereally beautiful one, is depicted as “White and Blonde”, and Patroclus who by default would be more average is given darker skin. Not a great connotation, even if it is subconscious or in all good faith following what the text seems to imply. I appreciate in “The Song of Achilles” Miller describes both of them as brown skinned multiple times-so it does get perplexing when people are doing *specifically* TSOA fanart, Achilles still gets bleached.

Can go into detail about other historical details if asked!

Alternative beardless Achilles (and uncensored version) on my twitter. Beard variation bc it's true Achilles is beardless in a lot of pottery-BUT this didn't start until the 300BCEs, when Greek standards of queer relationships shifted. Before he had a beard in most art. Also Greeks were nude a lot so clothed/nude version.

#patrochilles #achilles #patroclus #tsoa #illiad #classics #ancient greece #hades #my art

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