#endos and non cdd-systems feel free to interact

[iwillbreakyourfuckingskull]

just thoughts on the living openly as a system if it was safe or choosing to present as a non-system/singlet:

For me, it would depend on what openly means. Would it just mean that I can be open whenever I want to with no prejudices and only share who's fronting if I feel like it? Or does it mean that I would always share who's fronting, co-con, co-fronting, blurry, ect? Because the first one sounds ideal and the latter sounds fucking horrible. Hell, we don't even know who's there most of the time and that's probably on purpose. That's kinda the deal with CDDs, ya kno?

All that I personally want is for any type of plurality to be seen as just a thing that some people are. In an ideal world, other people would be open to experiences foreign to themselves. They'd not be scared when they hear terms like DID or "split personality disorder". They'd not be xenophobic when hearing about someone's cultural/religious/spiritual plurality. They'd not be ableist, racist, or just mean to someone for having a different lived experience that is completely harmless. We are not dangerous or worth less than anyone else

So ig my personal answer to that question is that I'd just want the stigma to fuck off and to live in a kinder fucking world

#i dunno if i make sense #i believe i was not alone in writing this #does this count as syscourse? #or is syscourse only people hating each other #im just trying to grill for gods sake #actuallydid #actuallycdd #actually did #actually cdd #endos and non cdd-systems feel free to interact #just dont wanna spam your tags when im not in that group #if that makes sense #levi.speaking #my.posts

[hiiragi7]

Hello! We saw your post about wanting to find non anti-endo spaces and misinformation on CDDs and wanted to just ask, what changed your opinion on endos? We ourselves are anti-endo but not aggressively or with malice (we dont even post things or interact with the community really, just lurk, so its not like were ANTI-endo ya know? Just that we dont believe or support them) we just want to understand because we ourselves havnt found any compelling evidence or experience that would point to the existence of DID(plurality) without trauma. This isnt to say we wish to challenge your own belief's at all!! Rather we honestly would like to know your thoughts because we see a decent amount of systems say things like "I use to be anti-endo until I was informed" and so if thats the case I would rather be informed! The only compelling argument ive found at this point is people connecting it to spirituality and while I find that a bit offensive as an ashiest who sees that a bit more like appropriation for the sake of religious belief's I understand its a bit of a gray area for most. Very sorry if this came off at all offensively or if this ask is upsetting or unwarranted in anyway please feel free to disregard if so! Its not our intention to cause issue or upset asking this, thank you for your time.

Hi there,

I've never been anti-endo, so I wouldn't say I really changed my mind regarding endos as much as I would say my understanding of endogenic plurals, traumagenic systems, and CDDs has deepened and shifted over time. When I first began learning more about plurality and DID, I didn't know much about endogenic plurals or how they worked nor how they related to DID, but I decided I would trust people on how they perceive their identity regardless of if I understood it perfectly or not and try to learn more.

Regarding your ask, I feel it is important to distinguish the concept of plurality from that of DID. Plurality is very broad; It simply refers to being more than one, which can take a massive variety of different forms because it relates to how people view the self and identity, which is subjective. It may be altered by spiritual, cultural, or individual beliefs, and in many contexts (especially regarding endogenic plurals) it is better understood through the lens of how both sociocultural and individual beliefs regarding the self interact and develop rather than through the lens of pathology.

The plurality seen in endogenic plurality is not the same per se as what many refer to as plurality in DID, or what I personally prefer to refer to as multiplicity in these discussions for clarifying sake so as to not use the same word with a differing definition.

In DID, the multiplicity has been theorized to reflect a divided personality system, or dissociated parts, which is not the same as the plurality described by endogenic plurals. In practice, however, the lines may appear very blurred, as clinical understanding and pathology also interacts with individual beliefs regarding the self and the state of their multiplicity; as an example, many people with DID strongly reject the framework of parts, and prefer to refer to their system's members as people they share a body with, often because they hold individual beliefs regarding what defines personhood that affects the language which they use to describe their system. As endogenic plurals also often describe their headmates as people they share a body with, the difference may not be immediately clear.

To further complicate matters, individual beliefs regarding the self, one's life, and one's identity may also alter the view of how a person believes their system to have formed even if they are DID. I've met many systems who are DID but who also identify as endogenic for a variety of reasons related to how they make sense of their life and memories as well as their sense of self and identity. To give a more specific example, I've known several DID systems who say they were born plural for a variety of reasons (some psychological, some spiritual) but who additionally experienced childhood trauma which they view as the origin of their DID seperate from the origin of their plurality.

It is my opinion that these differences in beliefs and labels are not inherently harmful nor misinformed because they are based in subjectivity, and they may even be beneficial for many people as it gives them a framework to make sense of themselves in that is unique to their individual experiences.

Regarding evidence and endogenic plurality, I also believe that fixating so much on clinical evidence or proof through studies is to misunderstand fundamentally that plurality and multiplicity both relate to an understanding of self that is not objective and as such cannot be easily measured through objective means. The self is not something that is easily understood solely through the context of clinical study; rather, by only examining the self through this lens, you limit your understanding of the self. Rather than a fixation on an evidence which is not easily obtained nor measured, I instead encourage a frameworks-based understanding of plurality, which is already done for multiplicity (the Theory of Structural Dissociation is a framework).

To summarize, DID is a trauma-based disorder, however the multiplicity described in DID is not necessarily the same as the plurality described by endogenic plurals. As well, while a clinical understanding of DID is incredibly important, it is also meaningful to consider how sociocultural and individual beliefs interact with this understanding and how they may alter the way people identify, especially regarding the aspect of multiplicity and self. Lastly, a frameworks-based approach to endogenic plurality such as plurality through the lens of individual beliefs regarding the self may be more useful to understanding endogenic plurality than a focus on clinical evidence is.

#syscourse #sysconvo

[polyfragcultureis]

this is a culture blog for complex/polyfragmented DID systems :)

make sure to start your asks with some variation of "polyfrag culture is" or "C-DID culture is" :) this blog is run by a medically recognized polyfragmented DID system of an unknown amount of parts, our collective pronouns are they/he

dni:

basic dni

queer exclusionists

transid/transx, radqueer, proship/shipcourse blogs in general

'narc abuse', anti self-dx, fakeclaimers

other things to keep in mind:

the system that runs this blog is collectively syscourse unaligned and endo apathetic (and anti-tulpa as in the use of term itself), but we ask that non-CDD plurals (and singlets obviously) don't send submissions to this blog, polyfragmentation is a CDD experience and it is a medical term. endogenic and nondisordered plurals cannot be polyfragmented. feel free to interact or even follow, just be respectful and don't send in submissions. pro-endo polyfrag CDD systems are completely free to interact and send in submissions as well as long as they're respectful. anyone of any syscourse stance is welcome to send in submissions as long as everyone is civil and respectful with eachother.

we're definitely open to different POVs on this, but at the moment we don't understand how OSDD-1 can be polyfragmented. as far as we know, polyfragmentation is the most complex form of dissociation and OSDD-1 is considered a less complex form of dissociation, and it wouldn't make sense for one to be able to be both simultaneously, we've also heard multiple times how it's common for polyfragmented systems to mistake themselves for OSDD-1 at first and we've also had the same experience. this point may be changed in the future if our opinion on the subject changes.

due to prevalence of polyfragmentation in RAMCOA/TBMC/ect survivors, there's the chance there will be mentions of it on this blog. everything will be tagged accordingly but please keep that in mind before looking and take care of yourselves. related to this though, we recognize the use of the community term HC-DID has been very controversial as of late, but regardless we support people's right to use whatever label they find comfortable even if we don't fully understand it or it's not a term commonly used in professional research. we also support alternative terms such as PG-DID, EC-DID, ect.

posts will sometimes be tagged with emojis that correlate to what alter posted/queued that post.

our system blog is @doomsdayradio.

the tag "ℹ" is for informational posts about polyfragmentation and related subjects.

#did #did system #polyfragmented did #polyfrag #polyfrag system #polyfragmented #cdid #c-did #c did #complex did #complex dissociative identity disorder #cdd #complex dissociative disorder #dissociative identity disorder #actuallydid #actually did #🎶

[homestuckpissmug]

wip pinned post but better than befur

u can call me Zomby or Uro I use any pronouns but they/them feel free to use para related neos/xenos on me, we also use furst purrson neos n a cat themed tq n simplification tq.

I'm completely nonhuman we're collectively a troll (from homestuck) do not use human or living terms on us

gr'm a polyfrag system we're physically n mentally disabled (cane and ambulatory wheelchair + crutch user) most notable are gry severe joint issues, being psychotic n autistic

my blog will remain (bodily) ageless

if I fit anyone's age DNI n they interact I'll just block them

I'm proship/profic n a paraphile (both disordered n non disordered) if that bothers anyone block me.

I will block:

radfems, radqueers, anti para or antiship, n pro contact fur paras that can't ethically be done irl, transid (transspecies (alterhuman term) , transage (fur trauma survivors) n transabled (biid term) were nevfur transid n ppl who use these n do not consider themselves transid are welcome on my blog, endos or supporters

some opinions ig

pro mspec monos

I'm anti transid, I am however pro terms like altbodem n chronisian bc they don't have that kinda community behind them, I am neutral but uncomfortable with alternative non transitioning terms fur trace or transethnicity due to being a POC

I'm anti contact on paras that can't be inacted safely or consensually

I am anti radqueer if u a radqueer/pro radqueer or even neutral fur reasons besides just being uneducated I will block u

we're anti endo due to the community currently and historically being harmful and ableist towards CDD systems

MY PARA SERVFUR (THE GATEWAY THERE IS VERIFICATION)

#pinned post #pro para #proship #profiction #anti contact

[candyrain-collective]

so it may be time for me to actually make a proper intro post! let's see here...

my name is bibi, and i'm the cohost of the candyrain collective! im 19 but the body is 21. we're a diagnosed osdd-1b traumagenic system of around 15 alters, i wanna say. i don't know if anyone else in the collective would want to blog here, but if they do, they can share stuff in their own time.

a word of warning: we do engage in some syscourse here, so if youre not a fan of that, it may not be in your best interest to follow.

our interests are anime, drawing, painting, and writing short stories! we also really like psychology and studied it in college (graduated early).

if you have any questions about us or just want to interact, feel free to send asks or message! we're always open to new friends and in fact crave them.

some user boxes:

my stance on endogenic is this:

i do believe non-disordered plurality is a phenomenon that people experience. i do not care if endos have a community of their own and in fact am curious about endo experiences, but i really wish endos would stop pushing into system spaces and pushing for demedicalizing CDDs. i also wish endos would stop spreading misinformation around. please.

did/osdd exists. it is real. it is a result of trauma. it affects more of the population than most people think. it is disordered.

i do not support tulpas, trans id/transex/whatever it's called, and radfems. i do not support harassment on either side of syscourse.

whether you're a traumagenic or endogenic system you're free to follow me, and i may follow back. i'd like to dip my toes into both communities, but am strictly anti-misinformation.

#plural system #plurality #osddid #plural #endos dni #multiplicity #endo safe #actually traumagenic #did #osdd #introject #syscourse #bibi speaks

[doomsdayradio]

histrionicwilbur -> doomsdayradio

pfp and header by @/bluberei

↳ about us

↳ poker/chorus/fate, they/he, genderqueer + aroacespec lesbian

↳ introject + nonhuman heavy polyfrag DID system of way too fucking many [medically recognized]

↳ collectively syscourse unaligned/endo apathetic, though some may lean towards pro or anti endo or be set on one

↳ personality disordered (hpd and avpd primarily), audhd, dyscalculia, madd,

↳ bodily white + ethnically jewish

↳ we don't vent here anymore, we use @fishinabirdcage, but we did vent here for a while and the vent tag is very triggering, stay safe

↳ frequent fronters

orpheus 🧋

host, npd symptoms holder

nonbinary + xenos, they/it/mint/aro + more neos

omni gaybian oriented aroace

august 📻

host, persecutor

cis guy, he/him

demiromantic asexual

chanterelle 🎶

homicidal thoughts holder, co-host

nonbinary, coffin/thou/they/she + more neos

orchidsexual bi lesbian

hadrien 🌃

caretaker/soother, co-host

agender, not sure about pronouns just use he/him

gay demisexual questioning arospec

↳ tags

↳ words words words !! - original posts

↳ home sweet home - comfort tag

↳ 2 years - fp tag

↳ foilsick - fp/chp tag

↳ genre - fp/chp tag

↳ pay attention - atp tag

↳ self-fulfilling prophecy - uscore tag

↳ feel free to ask us what any other tags mean, most of them are trauma related if youre curious lol

↳ DNI

↳ queer exclusionists (terfs, transmeds, anti-mogai, anti mspec lesbians/gays, ect)

↳ support fakeclaiming or harrassment on either side of syscourse, (pro-)tulpas, believe CDDs can be non-traumagenic, believe syscourse neutral/syscourse unaligned people are just secretly anti-endo or secretly pro-endo

↳ believe in narc abuse or any type of [pd] abuse, believe someone having any type of mental illness inherantly makes them abusive, anti informed self-dx

↳ going to tag our posts as 'q slur' (if you dont want the word queer on your blog dont reblog our posts lol)

↳ proship/anti-anti, radqueer, transid/transx (people with biid are fine obviously), pro contact or contact complex on paraphilias unabled to be consented to

↳ nsfw/kink/bdsm/"minors dni" blog (nothing against y'all we're just bodily a minor 😭)

↳ support sophieinwonderland, queer-autism, or furiousgoldfish

↳ consume media uncritically (we do have many interests in media that are considered problematic in nature but always rest assured we recognize the flaws and ask that you do that same)

↳ (just adding on to the point above, we dont plan to ever have any [fandom] dni things we again just ask that you interact with it critically and dont defend bigoted aspects of it)

↳ label as a monoconscious or adjacent system unless we interact first, we have a personal history with the term and that community in general and it tends to make us uncomfortable

↳ thin ice /hj

↳ endos and exclusively pro-endos, our general thing is we don't mind endos interacting in general but we will have certain posts with endos dni on them and obviously please don't interact with those posts, they're usually about traumagenic/CDD experiences exclusively

↳ xeno origins systems

↳ willogenic/parogenic/created systems

#words words words !! #vent #stim tag #fav #music spin #space tag #literature tag #hpd tag #madd tag #posi tag #reblog #userboxes #laugh rule #ignorance is bliss #self-fulfilling prophecy