#heard vs depp

[rileymarie]

it's really strange to me the lack of critical thought. Like even if amber did somehow manage to abuse this drug addict man twice her age who's constantly surrounded by security and enablers, if there's even a 1% chance you're wrong, you're making fun of a woman who has been brutually sexuallty assaulted and beaten by her husband for years on end. The worst he even claimed amber did was, I'm sorry, follow him around, stub his little toe, and tell him to suck her dick? Like do you really think that merits even an ounce of the bullshit thats spreading online right now? Oh and I'm sorry I forgot, NOT naming him, in an op-ed that was about HER life after abuse. And before you say oh but she's harming "real" victims of abuse, do you think it's helpful for ANYONE wanting to come forward, male or female, to see this kind of hate spewed at a potential victim? 🤔

#I stand with amber heard #Heard vs depp

[blackswallowtailbutterfly]

So...People who are convinced that Amber Heard was the abuser and Johnny Depp was the victim, who ALSO think Camille Vasquez's spritzing Johnny Depp's cologne in the women's bathroom that Amber Heard would use in court is a "brilliant" tactic. I want to hear from you. How do you square this? If Heard was the abuser, what would make that a good tactic? Why would that be "psychological warfare" as Vasquez put it? How does that work, in your minds?

To be clear, I'm not asking Depp supporters who know Heard was abused and are happy about it. I'm not asking Depp supporters who are going to argue that because Vasquez said "may" that it didn't happen. I'm specifically asking Depp supporters who think that Heard was the abuser AND think Vasquez's tactics were good.

Hell, I'd love to hear from Vasquez herself how she squared that, but that's unlikely.

So! Please explain.

#Amber Heard #Johnny Depp #Heard vs Depp #Depp vs Heard #Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp #Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard

[touchstonelevity]

Let’s burn Amber!!!

Oil on linen

#mine #amber heard #heard vs depp

[horusmenhosetix]

This may be controversial; but after watching the trail and seeing and having to unfollow Amber supporters, it is clear to me that Amber was caught in lie after lie, faked the bruises, she even inadvertently told the jury how she faked them with her bruise kit, and wasn't injured when she claimed she was injured. Meanwhile Johnny was injured when he said he was and didn't lie to the jury under oath. From the hard evidence she was the actual abuser.

I know this is a sims blog and I don't want to argue about this so if you support Amber Heard please unfollow me now.

*This is not a setback for women victims, it is a set back for women abusers.* - Actually, this is a setback for victims, Amber Heard’s lies being believed is a setback for victims everywhere. That an abuser has such a following of people who believe her lies over the evidence that prove she is lying is a huge setback. I would feel discouraged about trying to come forward with abuse allegations after what happened to Johnny Depp. 

#Non-sims #tw: amber heard #tw: abuse #Amber actually told the jury how she faked her bruises I'm #She sat there with her crocodile tears and lied #Anti Amber Heard #I avoided this trail but I had to form my own opinion from the facts #And the facts show that Johnny was not an abuser #Heard vs Depp #Depp vs Heard

[chinesegal]

I dont stand with Amber Heard and I never will, and I hope that every person who has ever "cursed" Johnny Depp or his fans will get cursed back ten-fold.

#Anti Amber heard #Amber heard is an abuser #Heard vs depp #Johnny Depp

[alwida10]

Men as victims - what makes the reactions to the Loki show so telling

Recently, I noticed something concerning on Twitter. There are several categories of people who liked and support the Loki show (2021), varying from casual fans who knew nothing about Loki before, over fans of the general MCU who perceived Loki mainly as a villain in The Avengers (2012), to rabid show fans who generally call everyone a misogynist who dares to admit they didn’t enjoy the show. Now, while I normally find some kind of common ground with people who are part of the first two groups, the last one belongs to a special kind of people. I noticed their habit to turn to verbal abuse quite fast (like so many others), but now there is something more they have in common: most of them believe and support Amber Heard.

The thing with supporters of Amber Heard is that many of them support her just because she‘s a woman and they claim all women should be believed in general, obviously regardless of all evidence.

There are people on Twitter who love the show (by loving Sylvie as a proxy) to a degree it becomes meaningless to them if they thus support torture, abuse, and other crimes that are framed as morally acceptable. And they treat the Heart vs Depp trial just the same, attacking both Depp and people who believe him. They do so by utilizing ad hominem attacks, like calling people misogynists, social rights warriors, or men’s rights warriors, abusers, and toxic. They are trying to refute rather by character defamation instead of arguments. A frequently used move is to switch the abuser/victim dynamic and call everyone speaking up for Loki or Depp a victim blamer. To support their claims they apply other manipulative tactics, such as twisting facts.

Here is one example: after the show aired many fans of Loki (the character, not the show) pointed out that the relationship resembled autogynephilia, a harmful hypothesis that claimed trans women would want to adapt their gender because they were attracted by the idea of themselves, but as women. The pro-series fans claim to point out this would be actually transphobic (reversing the accusation), citing an article written by Julia Serrano (a famous trans-women who works in science). But if you check what she actually said about the matter, the article does not support the claim. She argued a dislike of the relationship could be caused by subconscious transphobia because people might perceive Sylvie as trans since she is the only female Loki variant. When genderfluid fans pointed out to her on Twitter that they did not feel comfortable with the Loki show, Serrano herself cited a tweet where she points out the flaws of the genderfluid representation herself. In conclusion, 1) fantasies about one’s own body but of another gender are normal, not limited to trans-people and not to be looked down upon! 2) presenting the relationship in the show in a way it will inspire discrimination against non-binary people because it reminds us of the harmful claims some “scientists” have made in the past is not a good representation. 3) pointing out this fact is in support of GF fans, and certainly not transphobic.

At the same time, men face much greater problems being believed when they get abused by women than the other way ‘round. Still, those people close their eyes from the abuse and support the abusers and in case of the Loki series, the framing of torture and abuse as being just. (While I am not a fan of Sylvie, since Loki was mainly disparaged to make her look superior, she is not mainly responsible for his abuse. That would be Mobius doing the death threats and the gaslighting, and ordering the groin kicking.)

Now why is this important? I think there is a social current happening we should be aware of. Women who hate men just because of their gender, who fight for increased discrimination under the guise of feminism and even pretending to act to protect trans-people. This is just as bad as patriarchy.

So, if you ever happened to be in a situation you were discriminated against and wanted the support of someone who would be believed where you wouldn’t you should fight this social current. I recommend doing so by asking if they liked the show. If they do, explain the torture, the transphobic representation, and the disparaging, and ask again. If they still stand behind it, that’s a bad sign.

On a side note: 1) those people are giving both feminism and LGBTQIA+ supporters a bad name, and I am getting annoyed by that. 2) I agree that the public defamation of Heard is not ok, and needs to stop. For one thing we should be over lynching in 2022, and secondly, it only contributes to the hardening of the fronts. Instead, we need to think about how we see people who have been convicted and that it is still a crime to abuse them.

#MCU loki #loki series negative #loki series critical #depp vs heard #heard vs depp #fandom discourse

[pynkhues]

The celeb likes on Johnny Depp's post versus the Amber Heard post is disgusting I hate celebrity culture :(

It's a joke, anon. Especially wild is the fact that so many of them could've just chosen to do nothing, and instead they really chose to show their asses.

I've been thinking a lot about it as a backlash response to #metoo, which Vox actually published an article about yesterday, and how I think a lot of the celebrity engagement with this trial really just reveals the depths of narcissism and selfishness at the root of celebrity culture. These people don't actually care about issues of defamation or abuse - if they did, they'd engage with it well and truly beyond this case - but rather about how those issues impact them as a part of that celebrity ecosystem.

I think they see the rise in 'cancel culture' (which just for the record, I do not believe exists) and hate the thought of being held accountable, and so they see Depp's win not as a win for male victims or whatever bullshit they pretend it is, but a win for freedom from accountability.

Depp proves that the celebity machine can and will protect them, and I imagine that that's probably a relief for most of them.

#anti johnny depp #welcome to my ama #heard vs depp

[writeradamanteve]

About time more media started calling out Johnny Depp

#heard vs depp

[mdccanon]

Here's the hilarious thing about pro-Amber people: this case isn't about who abused who, because Amber never cared to press charges because that would have been disproven in court just like its being disproven now, what with Amber's legal team insulting the intelligence and threatening the careers of the vast majority of witnesses who were around Amber during and after the alleged abuses. Abuse that her legal team is no longer trying to prove occurred and begged the judge to dismiss the trial because even if they can't prove Johnny ever laid a hand on her any time she claimed he did, he did verbally abuse her, and isn't that enough? So what if she may possibly have boardline personality disorder. She's stressed out being a girlboss, so she's not to be blamed for elaborately orchestrated allegations she makes.

This case is about defamation of character and if Amber's interview damaged Johnny's career. Proving he did abuse her is supplemental TO that, but the issue remains: was Johnny cancelled for it?

Amber's lawyers are happy to say he was cancelled, but blame anything else but her interview, but using the headlines of articles -- not the articles themselves, mind you -- from undetermined times of publication to say that a man who has been in 3-4 movies a year almost every year since Edward Scissorhands in 1990 and has been an addict that ENTIRE time, has somehow, suddenly lost Hollywood's patience with his addictions and it just so happened to coincidentally have aligned with Amber's tell all.

So, the dilemma for pro-Amber people is that this is a LEGAL situation and not just an opinioned moralistic diatribe. Are YOU willing to look someone in the eye and use the actual LEGAL point of this whole trial: "It remains to be seen if Johnny Depp did or did not batter Amber Heard, however, it cannot be overstated that Amber exposing Johnny for the alleged abuser he is did NOT cause his sudden expulsion from major Hollywood productions, such as Fantastic Beasts and Pirates 6. Especially since Amber did not technically name Johnny as the abuser in her interview so it remains to be seen if Amber was even referring to Johnny or if public speculation has led to naming Johnny as the abuser, which, in that case, also makes it not Amber's fault that Johnny lost his deals."

Put that on a hashtag.

#amber heard #heard vs depp #depp vs heard #depp v heard trial #depp v heard #johnny depp #anti amber heard

[rainbowautistic]

TW: Mention of abuse

There has been a lot of claims made about the possibility of Amber Heard having Bipolar Disorder(BD) or Borderline Personality Disorder(BPD). Whether that is true or not you still shouldn't be an apologist for her behavior. People with those disorders need to still be held accountable for any harm caused, because even though they often react upon impulses and be self-destructive, that is no excuse to hurt someone. I have many family members that have been diagnosed with BD, but none of them have EVER laid their hands on anyone. Some have been emotionally abusive, but some have been some of the most understanding people I've ever met. It doesn't matter what disorder someone may have if they cause harm to anyone, then they need to be held accountable. I hope Amber Heard gets the help she needs, but she still needs to be treated like anyone else would be for abusing their partner.

#justice for johnny depp #amber heard #johnny depp #heard vs depp #bipolor #borderline pd #tw mention of abuse

[schizobpd]

Depp VS. Heard: This Trial is not a reality show.

To start, I would like to make it clear that I am neither a supporter of Depp nor Heard, and I was not a fan of either before this trial although I knew who both of them were. I have watched the trial as of May 18th in its entirety.

I am not a film buff, and I’m known for having not seen films most would consider iconic due to my childhood. My opinion is unbiased.

We need to stop treating the case like it’s a reality show. This case is documenting real life abuse that occurred no matter how you look at the case.

These are lives ruined,

and we are watching it unfold. having discussions is important, and I even understand having a sense of humor about things. however, BOTH sides of supporters are taking things entirely too far online.

Amber Heard, while I will not speak to her innocence or guilt, is clearly struggling with mental illness - which is not an excuse for her alleged actions.

Depp has mental health struggles, and we’re talking about people who have struggled with addictions very severely as well.

None of this equates to, calls for, or justifies the absolute vile words being spread on the internet about either party. we need to have class and respect for each other to

respect the person you’re choosing to support at this time. would they want you to abuse others online in their name?

i don’t think so.

please remember to be kind to one another while having your discussions.

#amber heard #anti amber heard #anti johnny depp #amber turd #depp v heard trial #depp vs heard #justice for johnny depp #justice for amber heard #i stand with amber heard #i stand with johnny depp #amber heard is a liar #amber heard is guilty #johnny depp #amber heard is trash #amber heard vs johnny depp #heard vs depp

[lucacangettathisass]

after knowing everything depp has said and done i fail to understand how anyone can support him or stand him

#heard vs depp #i stand with amber #coco.txt #he's a violent and aggressive bigot deal with it #yes it's tragic that he's an addict and i genuinely hope that he recovers #that doesnt excuse what he's done

[standwithamber]

As someone who claims to stand for womens rights (laughable) scamber is setting you all back 50 years and it's a good thing too. Hope you're ready to get used in the streets like you belong. All women like you deserve it. Especially for trying to ruin Depp like this. He was in the right to smack her around a little bit that shit was funny lol

I don't want anyone to report this. I want the people who support Depp to see what kind of views their allies have. What kind of motives are behind their vehement support for a man with a decades long history of substance fueled violence and multiple documented admissions of guilt. Just why exactly they are so loyal in the name of male victims but yet stay silent when male victims like Terry Crews and Brendan Fraser came forward about their stories of assault.

It's never been about supporting male victims. What protests do you go to, what charities do you donate to, what policies do you vote for anon? In the name of stopping violence against men? Do you know that most male victims are assaulted by other men? Specifically IPV in queer male relationships? Do your views take into account queer male victims? Are you even aware how racial dynamics between male victims of color and white abusers can completely change how their cases are viewed by our justice system? Or how inaccessible proper legal representation can be for victims in poverty, leaving them vulnerable to litigation abuse from their wealthier abusers? Do you take any initiative beyond yelling online and attempting to silence the voices of female victims? Because that's your goal here. You and so many others attacking female survivors of DV, of SA, of IPV in the name of male survivors is so disgusting and a direct attempt to deny the historical and statistical proof of the imbalances in power between men and women.

The obvious SA threat insinuation in this comment, the overall victim blaming, and the humour you find in the situation are not uncommon. You are not special.

When a world that has been catered to you at every moment suddenly makes you own up to your atrocious behavior, those seeking justice can feel like a personal injustice to you. You say Heard is a scam. That she's setting women's rights back in trying to "ruin" Depp. If you and so many others were genuine in these concerns and accusations you would be EVEN MORE worried about the repercussions this case can have for survivors EVERYWHERE. You would be uplifting voices to combat the misogynistic rhetoric that's sprouting up again or providing resources and research that aid all victims.

All liberation from abuse of power is intrinsically intertwined. Justice for some is justice for none.

#this is more of a rant but i feel like people aren't clearly seeing the ramifications of their actions and views here and it's so dangerous #depp vs heard #heard vs depp #depp v heard trial #heard v depp #anon #sa #abuse #feminism #social media response #long consequences #deppfordwives

[happy-shitting]

i've loosely followed the depp vs heard trial, and seeing how social media has reacted i was pro-depp like everyone else. then, i saw one (1) tweet talk about how the fact people are reacting to Heard talking about her abuse how damaging this will be for victims who are reading this backlash, reading the incredible horrfying things about Heard from strangers, from their friends, from their own family and what the consequences of that will be. What should abuse look like? Does abuse only look like one particular thing? Do victims overreact? Should they? Are they allowed to? What if they don't remember one memory to the T, does that mean they're lying? Does it mean I am lying when I don't recall an event perfectly bc my brain blocked it out? It's just very, very strange the sudden...shift in the perception of victims of abuse. As if everyone reacts the same. As if everyone suffers the same. As if everyone copes the same. It's fucking weird.

Coming back to Depp vs Headd, do people not see how hard Depp's legal team is working to fuel this perception? How are people not fact-checking all the bullshit social media is trying to push to paint this image of Depp as a innocent angel? He is not innocent lmao. He is not some sort of angel who has done no wrong. I have seen one (1) video of this trial-him in the kitchen-and let me tell you, my fight or flight mode kicked in. I was scared of him in that video. It reminded me of my own experience with a grown up man being physically intimidating on purpose to scare and psychologically abuse you and your family. Yet people reacted like Depp was being normal. That was not fucking normal. What the fuck?

And fuck, wanting to televise and actually televising the trial like it's a fucking sit-com is so fucking damaging and not a "win" for male-victims. Look at how everyone is so fucking happy to have a pass to be a misogynistic asshole, how they're so bloody happy to FINALLY not have to believe the woman and feel free to shred her apart raw. I did not see this kind of heat for Harvey Weinstein, for Roman Polanski, for literally any male abusers.

And I won't even start on the weird fancams of Depp and reenactments of testimonies and such on tiktok. That's fucking weird. Like, incredibly weird. This isn't fiction, it's a real life matter. Can we please just? Think a bit more critically? And stop with the weird fandom reactions to this trial?

#amber heard #johnny depp #amber turd #depp #heard vs depp #heard depp trial #idk what else to tag this #insane behaviors lmao #fucking crazy fandom behavior? #cant wait for the hate on this post #bring it on im dead already

[shrimpmandan]

u seem like a reasonable person so i just want to put this out there re: the depp-heard trial

this trial being televised was requested by depp's legal team precisely to garner the reaction that it did. depp's team bought bots to drive the online conversation to be very biased (hence popular monikers such as amber t*rd abt an incident that has been thoroughly debunked). multiple legal experts (who are not grifters ie profiting from the agreeableness of their views) have commented on how irregular depp's legal team's strategy was — not only did they fail to really prove any financial damages, given depp lost major roles of his own volition, but they resorted to character assassination because this was more about PR for depp than winning the case. this became exceedingly clear to me when i watched one of amber's full cross examinations — the lawyer on the other end was exceedingly rude, cut her off at multiple points (when she asked a question!), and generally seemed like she was trying to get as many tiktok soundbites in as possible (which worked, i guess. lol). unlike heard's lawyers, depp's team also perpetuated harmful DV myths such as "why didn't she leave," "why didn't she document all her injuries," "why didn't she have darker bruising," "why did she buy her abuser gifts," "why didn't she tell anyone," and so on. (never mind that she did all the things we tell abuse victims to do!) heard is also the first person to ever provide televised sa testimony — which, btw, was immediately used as a tiktok sound by depp fangirls commenting on how they found it hot and would love to be on the receiving end of it.

i also want to address the anon who talked about msm journalists pushing an agenda or whatever, which.. lol. i think anytime u start distrusting credible news outlets and raving about how the mAinStReAm mEDiA is out to get u, ur veering into to qanon/trumper territory. the only outlets to lend depp support are right-wing, such as ben shapiro's daily wire — and that's not a coincidence. op i totally understand the inclination to avoid pro-AH perspectives given the terfs who have flocked to her, but a significantly larger proportion of depp supporters are MRAs/incels, so ur not going to avoid bad ppl no matter who u support.

some anecdata — literally all DV experts i've come across (such as lundy bancroft who wrote one of the most acclaimed DV books ever, the person who coined the term DARVO (and said it was the legal strategy depp employed against heard), julie owens who wrote a 27-page paper explaining why heard was the abused party, and the literal national coalition against domestic violence) have supported heard in this trial. msm journalists have largely avoided the subject of who is guilty, but have commented on the damaging consequences of the online conversation and how it's not as onesided as social media coverage would have u believe. and anyone who HAS commented explicitly has supported AH.

it's also worth reading the article she was sued over, in case u haven't already, because it's so laughably not about depp that it makes it even clearer to me that this was a circus and not a trial. but anyway

given the way u talk abt this case i don't think you've really dug into it, which i respect tbh, but i also think it's important to acknowledge the sweeping ramifications this will have for abuse victims everywhere. hundreds withdrew their abuse filings in the hours after the verdict was announced, and depp has just demonstrated a very effective playbook to the world by which someone can sue their victim and win. depp's bestie marilyn manson (accused by over 10 women) has done the same to evan rachel wood, and their trial will begin in few months' time i believe.

some starting articles i would rly recommend are "the bleak spectacle of the depp-heard trial" by michael hobbes and "who's afraid of amber heard" by rayne fisher-quann. they're short but informative reads.

obviously i would have loved to never care abt this —i was actually a huge potc fan and casually thought "good for johnny" when all this first began. but it's been inescapable and has been the largest online explosion of misogyny i've ever witnessed. i hope you reconsider ur stance and i'd be happy to provide some more resources for u if you'd like to start digging. thanks

I'ma be honest this is hard as fuck to read just because it's a giant text wall but I'm going to do my best to respond to each point individually.

First and foremost, I don't disagree that there was heavy media bias towards Depp. There were plenty of outlets in support of Heard as well, but generally speaking a lot of people were (and still are) on Depp's side. You have to remember that this is a defamation case, not a domestic violence case, which is why there was so much emphasis on PR. Depp (from what any of us understand) was falsely accused of abuse and took Heard to trial for defaming him, NOT for abusing him, even though that did become a big part of the case later on. I also don't see how the legal team of either of these people is a reflection of THEIR views, but I'll get back to that in a bit.

I should also state that there were people in the public sphere, both in defense of Depp and Heard, perpetuating myths about domestic violence, sexism, and blatant victim blaming. The mutual abuse argument is one I've seen used a lot in defense of Heard which is quite literally an abuse tactic, especially in response to reactive "abuse."

Also, mainstream media is a disease, I'm sorry. Both the pro-Depp and the pro-Heard ones, it doesn't matter, I hate any and all msm with a burning passion and comparing a distrust of it to a fucking far-right internet conspiracy cult is incredibly tone-deaf. The majority of news is just what the government WANTS us to hear and not what is actually going on, but I digress.

Lumping MRAs in with incels is equally tone-deaf and while I don't consider myself to be an MRA outright, I do follow a decent number of MRA blogs (some of which run by women!) who have been incredibly helpful to me as both a trans man and a male victim of abuse.

I also know from experience that situations like these are rarely one-sided. Coincidentally enough, while the Heard/Depp conversation is resurging, my stepdad is currently in prison on a domestic violence charge that my mom didn't even press to begin with -- it was pressed on her behalf. "It's important to acknowledge the sweeping ramifications this will have for abuse victims everywhere" my ass, the law is still HEAVILY skewed against men considering our prosecutor has literally been filing charges under my mom's name without her permission in order to persecute a man who she didn't feel victimized by to begin with and, on her own admission, provoked and engaged in combat with on her own volition. I know this is nothing more than anecdotal but you cannot seriously tell me that women are going to die when ONE male celebrity won a defamation case. Again, not a domestic violence case, a defamation case.

You're right that I didn't actively follow the trial. As I've stated before I don't give two shits about Depp or Amber and their personal lives. What I DO give a shit about is blatant fearmongering and misinformation. If this case supposedly is soooo harmful to abuse victims, then why is my stepdad falsely imprisoned on a DV charge that my mom didn't even press to begin with, under the guise of “protecting women”, months after the Depp vs Heard trial? Hm? Riddle me that.

You strike me as a person who believes everything that other people tell you. You believe the mainstream media that all have their own agenda, you believe the experts who are not infallible or immune to bias, and you believe senseless fearmongering even though nothing has really changed.

#anon #tw abuse #tw domestic violence #heard vs depp #depp vs heard #johnny depp #amber heard #okay to rb

[whistle-free]

Why was the Depp Trial Livestreamed?

The trial was held in Virginia, where cameras are allowed under approval of a judge.

Judge Azcarate was ultimately the one to decide the trial would be livestreamed. Due to already having received numerous media requests, Judge Azcarate made the decision believing that livestreaming would prevent too many reporters (and the public) from crowding the courthouse and creating hazardous conditions.

Some sources do say that Depp's lawyers did initially request cameras, with Ben Chew arguing since Heard's claims about Depp were made so publicly, the Virginia trial should also be as public as possible, while Heard's lawyer, Elaine Bredehoft, fought to keep them out.

However, an order dated Feb 25, 2022, states that the motion to bring in cameras was brought in by the court and ruled in favor by the judge after considering each party's position on the matter.

#If you believe this information to be flawed please submit any additional sources to this blog #so this post may be amended and corrected #depp vs heard #depp v heard trial #johnny depp #amber heard #johnny depp trial #defamation trial #amber #johnny #judge azcarate #depp trial #depp heard case #johnny depp v amber heard #heard vs depp