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#i reserve the right not to include the song lan death reveal
sugarbabywenkexing · 3 years
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Today I met a JC stan who was talking about the golden core transfer and said that wwx violated consent so I googled an article about consent and send them but they kept saying wwx bad wwx owes jc wwx is bad brother wwx is bad servent wwx killed my cow-
*sigh* this fandom is a warzone
lolol. NOT THE COW!!!
Ok Setting aside the absurdity of attempting to apply something as particular as medical consent standards of the 21st century on a story set in ancient China, it stems from a poor reading of the novel in the first place and can add nothing of intellectual value to story discourse. mxtx is very clear about what is right and wrong in universe. That scene is framed as an immense sacrifice by WWX, not a lack of consent on jc's part. jc gave 'consent' within the story. jc wanted a core. jc climbed up blindfolded on a mountain to do anything to get a new core w zero requests, reservations or caveats about it. jc got a new core. a great core. a better than his former core! jc was told about the core transfer whilst being at his shittiest verbally, & violently abusive towards WWX, & he had a one night crisis of faith about all the hate and violence he had heaped & continued to heap on WWX for actually no valid reason to begin w. other than his resentment & misplaced blame. He was not upset that he got a core from WWX. jc's main source of anger/mental distress is that he can't hate WWX without a single care :
“He should’ve been able to loathe Wei WuXian without a care. But right now, the golden core revolving within him took away all that confidence.”
Honestly It's not like jiang cheng was lured up on that mountain with the promise of a new core and returned minus a testicle or a kidney. Every time I see this discourse come up from jc stans I'm like what are we arguing about? The only person in that situation who it could be logically debated didn't have any real choice/ability to 'consent' was WWX, who was the same age as jc and whose hands were tied by jc's choice to die without a core, & by the oath he was forced to make to YZY & JFM.
Would anything have changed if jc had known about the core transfer earlier? Well he knew that he got his core because he went on that mountain pretending to be WWX & asking for a once in a lifetime favor that belonged to WWX. So he does owe Wei Wuxian for his new core. How else could he have met the immortal Baoshan Sanren? Also WN and WQ risked their lives to save jc's life AND return the bodies of his parents. Let's look at his efforts to repay his debt to them, & oh look WWX is included in there too:
“Yes, they helped us before, but why in the world don’t you understand that right now any remnant of the Wen Sect is a target of criticism! No matter who they are, with a surname of Wen they have committed a most heinous crime! And those who protect the Wen are at risk of being condemned by everyone! All the people loathe the Wen-dogs so badly that the worse they die the better. Whoever protects them is against the entire world. Nobody would speak for them, and nobody would speak for you either!”
When jiang cheng says 'nobody' would speak for WWX or the Wens he 'forgets' Lan Wangji, Mianmian and Lan Xichen did, but he is definitely including himself in that 'nobody'.
Jiang Cheng :“Do you really need me to say it out loud? If you insist on protecting them, then I won’t be able to protect you.”
jc is Jiang Clan now. When he says 'I' it's not a leap to understand that Jiang Clan will not stand by WWX. WWX gets it. If he wants to protect the Wens it will be separate from Jiang Clan. jiang cheng doesn't give af about debts or honor or his martial brother if it's inconvenient for him. Even without the core transfer in the mix jc still wrongly blamed WWX for the burning of Lotus Pier and the death of his parents and sister. He still would not have helped the Wens. He still would have been angry WWX needed to defect. Revealing the transfer even earlier would have changed nothing.
To conclude people really need to stop projecting on this fictional character, to the point where they are ignoring, the setting, context, facts, intent of the author/ narrative and reaction of the actual♬♪♫ character they voice their indignation for.
But if we're honest this consent discourse just constitutes an effort on the part of jc stans to muddy the waters with some hot key words & make jc a victim to try & white wash his actions. I don't see them descending on XXC for violating Song Lan's eye sockets with his evil eyeballs. (Thank god) So they don't really give af about ' core consent'. This is not intellectual discourse, it's just trying to shit on a good character and a great deed hoping to make jc look like less of a turd lord.
jc stans keep it moving xx ♪♫♬
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