https://spectralscathath.tumblr.com/post/190909103203/fight-analysis-rwby-vs-ace-ops
So let’s start with the set up for the fight, specifically, these quotes from Marrow and Harriet.
Marrow: We’re not actually going to slug this out, are we?
Harriet: We’re not doing anything. They decide what happens next.
This puts a heavy emphasis on the fact that team RWBY starts this fight. They are the aggressors in this situation, which then makes it both incredibly cowardly and utterly manipulative when, seconds into the Harriet vs Ruby fight,
Hold it hold it hold it.
How come you don’t mention the music in the background or the alternative to Team RWBY here? The foreboding music indicating a fight is inevitable and the alternative is Team RWBY being arrested while leaving people to do, something fundamentally against their morals?
That line is more of a confrontation Team RWBY will be offensive instead of being ‘the aggressors’ (AKA negative connotation).
... This is gonna be intensely biased in the Ace Ops favor isn’t it?
Ruby: Come on, Harriet! We’re playing right into Salem’s hands! You know we need to be working together!
A quick aside, Ruby’s voice is pitched up with this line, compared to her earlier bragging that the Ace Ops aren’t the best anymore. Her cocky smirk is replaced by a wide-eyed, fearful look, and I’d like to point out that this only happened after Harriet landed the first blow of the fight, kicking Ruby into the elevator doors. This is entirely faked, purely because Ruby’s suddenly realised that Harriet poses a threat and is trying to put on her cute ‘I’m just an innocent kid don’t hurt me’ act, while also trying to heap all the blame of this fight onto Harriet.
Her tone was also pitched up when she was talking into her school. That’s the result of raising her voice. To say nothing of how her look is PLEADING in nature, not FEARFUL.
Harriet doesn’t take any of this crap, thank the good lord, and decides to put her focus on pummelling the ever-loving aura out of Ruby.
... I really should just ignore you huh?
And boy, does she manage it. I went through and counted every single blow landed in each fight, so let’s start the blow-by-blow, literally. I’ll focus on each specific match-up one at a time, to properly break it down.
Yeah huh, sure. And Tyrian would be unbiased moderator in a debate between Ozpin and Salem right?
I’ll just keep the Ace Ops fight open in another tab so I can peer into reality.
Also, just so we’re all on the same page, I am a trained martial artist, having studied Karate (specifically Zen Do Kai), and boxing. Let’s keep this in mind as we analyse this fight.
Also keep the rest of what they’ve said in mind as well, as in ‘I have already shown an intense bias for the Ace Ops’ so you really shouldn’t be listen to.
Hits Taken
Harriet: 2
Ruby: 7-8
Wanna know what isn’t counted? The amount of time or the number of times Harriet and Ruby used their semblances. Wanna know long/many times Ruby used her semblance? Five times. Two times for extended distances, once for a quick defensive deflect and two for split second dodges and maneuvers. The longest being 7 seconds.
Harriet? Fuck, I don’t even know how to measure her because EVERY MOVE SHE MAKES is using her Semblance. She uses it CONSTANTLY. So naturally, her aura would drain faster.
Does the OP consider this?
Now, if we take into account aura levels, we are aware that Harriet’s are noticeably lowered, as seen from her fight with the Megoliath. She and Ruby are both using their semblances a lot, hard to say who’s using theirs more. Possibly Harriet, but Ruby isn’t far behind.
Fuck no, they keep it VAGUE so you don’t see how much Harriet uses her Semblance.
I shouldn’t even consider the rest of this post considering how FLAGRENT this shit is, but we’ll move on.
Hit 2: Harriet kicks Ruby in the chest with both feet. (Some of these screenshots are hilarious but I’m doing it as categorical proof of the hits)
Yeah, see how Harriet’s feet are ON Crescent Rose?
That’s a block. So -1 hit.
Hit 3: The next one is a little hard to count, as it’s the shot where Harriet blitzes by Ruby. The first hit is hard to tell if it connects or not, while the second hit most definitely does, meanwhile Ruby blocks the third strike. The first of these is the only hit that is ambiguous.
Yeah, it looks that way in screenshots...in animation Ruby doesn’t react correctly, meaning she wasn’t hit AT ALL. So -1 as well here too.
Hit 5: Harriet restrains Ruby’s hands behind her back, enough to cause Ruby pain. However, that is an unfortunate side-effect of having arms pinned in that manner, so I’m not going to call it excessive. After all,
Harriet: It’s not excessive if it’s necessary.
Quick fuck you: This can be said of Team RWBY fighting the Ace Ops, necessary to defeat them and try and save as much as Mantle as possible.
It’d be reductionist but that’s OP’s speciality at this point.
Hit 6: Ruby escapes Harriet’s pin, ties the bolas around Harriet, before yanking Harriet backwards into Ruby’s uppercut to the spine, which appears to go near the area of Harriet’s nape and the back of her head. (I’ll come back to this)
Yeah, that’s a pretty serious hit. Most people would suffer serious pain from that. OP even tries pointing this out as a failing of RUBY.
Yeah. That one. I study in Australia, which, had a certain event happen that leads me to be somewhat biased against punches specifically to the nape/back of head, you know, that place where your spine meets your skull? From Wikipedia, just for a basic rundown: ‘During 2013 and 2014, significant media attention was paid to two violent killings involving one-hit punches in Australia. Noting that 91 people had died in Australia in the previous fourteen years from brain trauma as a result of being so hit, a media campaign was launched to refer to them as coward punches.’
91 people. Yep.
So, if I sound like I disrespect Ruby for the single hit she landed, while Harriet seems to get a pass for punching Ruby in the back and the throw to the ground, I would like to point out first of all, Harriet only started going for attacks to the head and neck area after she had been restrained, in which case she is trying to put Ruby down hard and fast. Secondly, Ruby not only pulled Harriet backwards into the uppercut, she’s fucking grinning.
How triumphant. None of the Ace Ops show this level of glee at landing hits, I’m just saying. Also, calling back to Harriet’s line about it not being excessive if it’s necessary, Harriet was at that point restrained, only showing she is capable of fighting despite that after being punched. While hitting Harriet may not have been excessive, you would also think that perhaps a leg sweep, or a kick to the back of the knee, would be enough to stop her, instead of a King Hit, specifically one that Harriet could not have even tried to block due to how her arms are tied.
Rant about my own personal biases towards coward punches is over let’s continue the actual analysis now that I’ve copped to it
P.S. No admission of your self evident bias for the Ace Ops? yeah, not gonna buy this.
Hit 7: Harriet headbutts Ruby in the face. This one doesn’t have an impact SFX like a lot of hits do, but the way Ruby reels back makes it clear Harriet connected the blow
Notice how OP doesn’t have an image here?
Yeah, -1 again.
Hit 9: Harriet runs into Weiss’s ice wall, her aura is shattered, and she is knocked unconscious.
What isn’t shown: Harriet running head first USING HER SEMBLANCE (which makes her faster than Ruby in close quarters) into a thick ice wall.
For demonstration: run as fast you can, leaning into it, at a wall of ice. Actually don’t because people have DIED from that too. And we don’t have super quick powers in INCREASE the damage.
But how, the pray tell fuck, does Ruby apparently have enough aura to tank at least 7 hits, most of which are kicks, from a combat-trained runner, and come out smiling? Tyrian gave her a few scratches and one kick to the stomach and that had her aura flickering. Now, yes, Tyrian is on a level all his own that only Qrow and maybe Clover can match, but also; are you fucking kidding me?
Difference: Ruby used her semblance a fuckton, Tyrian is probably stronger than Harriet considering he was equal to QROW and could block bullets with his tail FROM SOUND ALONE.
Ruby barely used her semblance in comparison to Harriet spamming the thing while the OP says she had LESS Aura.
All while taking FOUR hits, maybe 5 since OP manipulated shit.
Suddenly doesn’t seem so implausible huh?
Ruby’s a speed fighter/sniper, a DPS main, and I’m supposed to believe she’s all of a sudden more of a tank then Yang?
Because fictional characters in a world without definitive roles unlike an RPG fit neatly into all roles and not like certain circumstances gave Ruby more durability that you CONVIENENTLY ignored.
So… yeah. Take that bit as you will.
Take it as an indication you’re biased as fuck? Okay.
Anyway. Shall we move onto the next round?
You’ve sunk your creditability with that last fight and I REALLY shouldn’t listen anymore out of sheer offense at the lack of principles here, but fine,
Blake and Yang vs Elm and Vine
Hits Taken
Blake: 4
Yang: 4
Vine: 3
Elm: 4
Ah huh, what is said about Semblances?
Okay, so. Elm and Vine use their semblances liberally enough, while Blake and Yang barely use their semblances outside of finishing moves. I’ll grant them all that.
...After all that with Harriet and Ruby, you don’t even BOTHER discussing the use of semblances?....
You know, they don’t even really ANALYZE the fight. Wanna know what they say beyond stating hits (NOT a good indicator of whose winning)?
And aside from the suicide bomber attack, this fight is solid enough, animation-wise at least. Elm proves herself to be an absolute goddamn beast of a woman whom I love, but… it’s a little sad that the only hits Blake makes are team attacks. Once again, even worse then it was with Bees v Adam, Yang carries the fight while Blake is near-useless, aside from a few token team attacks.
I do wish Elm was more of a tank, though. It’s what she deserves.
Honestly, this feels so INSULTING. What, you didn’t have problems so you skipped the fight effectively? Analysis doesn’t mean ‘bitching about what I don’t like’, I learned NOTHING from this.
All I can say is-
It’s not even necessary? Anyone remember this handy lil trick Blake has?
Look at that! It’s an exploding clone that doesn’t rely on someone else to pull the pin on the bomb!
What the actual fuck was the point of this move, other then to make me worry about Blake’s mental health? Who approved this? Who said ‘what’s the ultimate show of trust? Having the former member of a terrorist group put bombs on herself that someone else detonates! Brilliant!’
This is utterly bizarre.
Just sayin’.
Blake’s clones are BLATANT when infused with Dust. Vine wouldn’t have fallen for it.
Weiss vs Marrow
Hm. Hmmm. Well. Weiss got her first solo fight win. Unfortunately,
Harriet: Marrow! Cut the crap, will you?
Marrow: I’m trying to arrest her, not kill her, Hare!
Her opponent was holding back. Looks like Weiss’s special power is still ‘losing every fight she’s in with an opponent who’s not self-sabotaging’.
Marrow: I know you Schnees are used to getting what you want. But it's time to let this one go!
Yeah, don’t buy it.
Hits taken
Weiss: 0
Marrow: 1
Yep.
Weiss takes no hits, at all, while Marrow blocks and dodges every single one of Weiss’s hits aside from the last. I’m serious. So I can’t go by hits for this one, I need to go by attacks.
So you say basically nothing about the actual fight but the dodgefest you say more? Really?
Hm. Yes. Hmmm. There’s some rather, shall we say, unfortunate implications here, since this looks, to me, rather more like an execution than anything else. As pointed out to me by a friend, when I showed them these screenshots, Marrow’s posture in the last is a very submissive pose. Head down, tail drooped, arm slack, reliant on external support (his boomerang), and kneeling. Also, what is with Ruby and Weiss and going for the back of the head?
He JUST got done dealing with the Knight and had to use his Semblance to stop it. After dodging and blocking a fuckton of hits. After all of the shit with the Grimm before. For someone trying to make the Ace Ops look as innocent as possible, why would you ignore how tired he must be?
Also that isn’t an execution pose. You have to be aiming for the NECK for an execution, not the HEAD.
There’s also the unusually heavy focus on Marrow’s tail getting burnt, and this tone-deaf line, if we’re going to point out all the ‘faunus racism’ implications that show up.
Marrow: I know you Schnees are used to getting what you want, but it’s time to let this one go.
Weiss: This is my home, and I’m not giving it up without a fight.
...
You mean like when Kefla was launching her barrage of lazers at Ultra Instinct Omen Goku and they focused on his hair just barely getting grazed? It’s to emphasize how close the attack was.
Weiss, honey, you’re from Atlas. Mantle is a separate city. Twin cities, at the most, but you’re Atlesian. Also, this came right the heck out of nowhere. Absolutely nowhere in Weiss’s arc this season were we getting anything about her giving a damn about Mantle beyond ‘I kill grimm there’.
... HER ENTIRE ARC IS ABOUT CARING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!
And, just because unfortunate and hopefully accidental implications are the order of the day on Weiss vs Marrow, she’s saying this to the faunus that’s managed to get racism humansplained to him by the same woman who calls him ‘Wags’ as a funny nickname.
Sorry, I don’t speak wet farts.
Seriously, how the fuck is this a racism thing when Weiss is assumed to be someone who always gets her way, even in THIS Volume.
Weiss: Don't you think "tyranny's" a little dramatic?
Forest turns around to respond and looks surprised upon realizing who had just spoken.
Forest: Easy to say for a Schnee heiress, living comfortably up in Atlas.
Weiss: (sighing sadly) Not anymore.
Marrow deserves more respect than this, guys. I don’t even want to get into how bizarre it is that the final shot of his defeat puts the focus on his shackles, putting them even more in the foreground then Marrow himself. That’s just weird.
To emphasize he has them. Dumb I know but considering this post’s bullshit, you guys kind of earned it.
To conclude:
Ruby should have gotten her aura broken three hits in, sorry not sorry. Ruby is also a cold-cocking manipulative lil brat who has lost even the dregs of my respect for her. What a shame.
Which was complete horseshit beyond even Adel Aka or Dudeblade.
Harriet and Elm’s defeats seemed to have been framed in ways that were meant to be a little humiliating, with Harriet making dumb faces as she passes out and Elm landing in an awkward position. I disapprove of this. I would prefer if they were defeated with dignity.
It’s called humor.
Blake continues to be a useless damsel in distress in Actually Important Fights, while Yang is Angry All The Time and does all the heavy lifting.
That had fuck all to do with what you said, and as if being evasive and wasting enemy resources and acting as support for one of the BIGGEST HEAVY HITTERS IN THE SERIES is bad?
Weiss v Marrow has some weird implications that make me uncomfortable.
Which says more about you than anything else.
Credit where credit’s due: the voice acting, sound design, and the fight animation was great. Do I think the Ace Ops should have won? I would have found it more interesting, to be sure. Can I live with team RWBY winning? I can, but I could have done without the smugness.
Smugness you inserted.
Is there anything I would have changed? Bees vs Elm and Vine was fine, but I’d have either made it Ruby v Marrow and Weiss v Harriet (for a speedster vs Schnee fight, and a Lil Rd vs the Wolf fight), or would have let Harriet break Ruby’s aura.
Instead of personal stakes, bland ideas! Wonderful!
Also: War should and hopefully will be an Ace Ops’ song, not a team RWBY song. If anyone got betrayed here, the Ace Ops were the ones who put their trust into four liars who hid vital information and had the gall to act offended when they got told what a dick move said information-withholding was.
*insert equally shitty take about Ace Ops with bias in favor of Team RWBY here.*
Anyway, thanks for reading, I’d love to hear other thoughts on the matter. Ta, luvs.
Which is why the reblogs do nothing but regurgitate what you said while I’m blocked.
Speaking of reblogs....
https://jadekitty777.tumblr.com/post/190942492544/fight-analysis-rwby-vs-ace-ops
A lovely read dear! I’d also like to add, just because I was curious:
During the Qrow &Tyrian Vs Clover fight, I decided to do my best to count the amount of hits Clover and Qrow took.
I’m going to start with Qrow - he took about 5. One toss and 4 punches, mostly to the face (jeez Clover, I thought you liked his pretty face lol). Keep in mind Qrow is also primarily more a close-range fighter and took front lead in the Tyrian fight in the episode prior AND just went through a plane crash. The same plane crash that knocked Robyn unconscious - despite the fact she was only back-up during the other fight and hadn’t been down in Mantle during the evacuation efforts up until the end to lure Tyrian out. The point is, his aura should be hurting, but it doesn’t even flicker.
For Clover? It added up to be about 11-12 - one of which was a point blank shotgun blast to the chest, 3-4 hits from Tyrian’s bullets in the back, and one more sword slice from Harbinger to his back. I highlight those ones because they’d be the hardest to tank. The rest were various kicks and punches, most to his face and midsection.
(Also really Qrow,you should not be surprised Clover’s aura broke. You guys were killing him).
But the point I want to make is… Clover was down in Mantle just like the rest of the ops fighting for who knows how long before they went for Tyrian - considering they were coming back only slightly behind team RWBY and the others, we can surmise only maybe an hour or so they diverted to deal with our little scorpion. It’s also worth mentioning that ALL of our team members have been up an entire night and these fights in c12 happened closer to dawn, considering the sunrise at the episode’s end. They are all equally exhausted.
So to circle back around: Clover got struck with double to triple the hits his own team got - a full team of Atlas specialists. It feels like Clover is the only one who seems to be treated like he’s on Qrow’s level, wherein they really ALL should be at his level. Instead, it’s like the rest of the Ops had to be significantly nerfed to be beaten by Team RWBY.
If you want me to believe Team RWBY can beat them, then you also have to make me believe they can beat Qrow. And yeah, I don’t.
...
Clover never used his Semblance.
Qrow hits harder than ANYONE.
He was also attacked by Tyrian.
And Qrow was in a PLANE CRASH.
Fucking hell, this is one of the worst analysises I’ve read. Yes, including RWDE slock.
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Bang Chan:
You were a waiter at the all inclusive hotel stray kids were staying at while on tour. They were staying for two nights and you couldn’t have been happier when you realised you were allocated their table to wait upon. Both evenings Chan asked for the bill and both times he got the reply of “it’s all inclusive... it’s all in the price.” The next morning, their final morning, you woke up kind of sad. You put on your uniform and went to work knowing this was the last time you’d ever see them, knowing this was the last time you would ever see Bang Chan. You spotted him from across the dining room piling his plate high while you cleared away the previous plates from their table, gosh he ate so well you thought. When they left that morning, you cleared away their final plates and noticed a bit of folded paper, with your name scribbled onto it and someone’s number was written inside followed by “- you can text me the bill, Love Bang Chan”
Woojin:
The best day of his life, Woojin was finally going to see Bruno Mars live! And so were you, in your home country! You stood waiting in the crowd for the main attraction to come onto the stage while Woojin stood behind you, pretty unaware of each other’s presence at this point. He was late, your favourite artist was late. You turned to your friend and said “I hope I get some 24 karat gold to compensate” which made Woojin laugh, he could appreciate a good pun. You turned around and Woojin smiled at you and complimented you on your punny joke and also returned with one of his own “that’s what I like...” pausing to wait for your name. You guys really hit it off that night and you’d never forget it. He got your number using “too good to say goodbye” and later down the line asked you to marry him using the Bruno Mars song “marry you.” The “inside joke” never died.
Lee Know:
Retail wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be. You hated it. At least you got some nice clothes out of it. Today you wore one of your “postponed” good outfits at the possibility someone attractive may come into the store, even though that never usually happened. Yet that’s exactly what happened today. You were working on the men’s fitting rooms, the easiest job since usually men rarely tried on their clothes, wanting to get out of the store as quickly as possible. A man who’s name you later learnt was Minho came over with 4 items and went into a curtained cubicle after you handed him the required ticket. After each item he came out and asked for your opinion, he was happy with your honestly, not being afraid to tell him when something didn’t look quite right on him. When he was finished, he handed you the “4” token back and the items he didn’t want. You expect him to leave but instead he stayed, engaging in an actual conversation with his broken English and sooner or later asking for your number. When you told him weren’t supposed to give it out while working his expression changed but of course you couldn’t pass up the chance, telling him you’d risk if for him.
Changbin:
Lost in a foreign country. Changbin’s worst nightmare had become a reality. No battery on his phone, no charger, no nothing. The street was empty and he didn’t want to knock on a strangers house, worried they would think he was a burglar or something. That’s when you, his saviour, walked around the corner. He jogged over to you and used his limited English to ask if he could use your phone to ring his friends. Of course you agreed, the poor boy looked so distressed. After the phone call he appeared a lot calmer and he asked you how to get to a certain location. Unfortunately it wasn’t in walking distance so you decided to call a taxi for him. He couldn’t thank you enough and asked if he could use your phone one last time to tell his friends he was on his way. Little did you know he’d actually slipped his phone number into there and set his name to “the cute good looking man who was still cool while lost.” The first text you sent did indeed highlight how false the latter part of his name was and how true the first part was.
Hyunjin:
Hyunjin is obviously very tall and can reach the shelf unlike you who was having great difficulty. You and your family were going on holiday to Korea and Hyunjin (and the other boys) were coming home from Kcon. You had been separated from your family on the flight and were put next to 9 insanely attractive guys you realised as you located your seat. You got what you needed from your bag and tried to put it into the compartment above your seat but you just couldn’t reach. One of the good looking guys stood up taking the backpack out of your hands and putting up for you. You smiled in his direction and thanked him before sitting down. He cleared his throat and indicated that his seat was the one next to you, of course it was that’s where he just stood up from stupid y/n you cursed in your head. The plane took off and oh damn you forgot your headphones and there was no way you were getting that bag back down. You decided to sleep, sleep on Hyunjin’s shoulder apparently. Rather than being a jerk about it he was really chill and even shared his blanket with you. He woke you up just before landing and you knew you had to repay him. The only payment he’d accept was a date within the next two weeks and your couldn’t refuse that now could you?
Jisung:
Confidence, a very attractive quality which oozes out of Jisung. He even asked a random cutie on the street for their number while living in your county for some time. When he went to text them, he didn’t realise the number they had giving them was fake and it was in fact your number. He figured this out pretty soon but was willing to continue talking with you because you seemed cool. He later realised how much of a killer personality you had and asked to see a photo of you. Truthfully he texted back how much cuter you were than the other person and how he was so glad this mix up happened. Of course you were super satisfied with the photo you received too. After a few months of talking you decided to meet up, neither of you were disappointed. He knew that he wanted to marry you there and then and didn’t you just know it, not that you didn’t retaliate the same feelings.
Felix:
Childhood friends. His Aussie buddy. You met at school after transferring from your old school and Felix was asked to show you around. That was only because he’d already spoken to you that day, your socks werent fully pulled up so he told you so you didn’t get told off which you were most definitely grateful for. While showing you around, you discovered the school had a lot to offer, “a lot” being your new crush Lee Felix, who just so happened to feel the same. Ever since that day Felix spoke to you all the time and asked you to be his just before he left Australia, saying he would never forget you and that he’d always only love you. How could you say no to that? Your relationship was mostly long distance, either of you visiting when you had the chance but not once did it come between you two. After all love conquers all.
(Ok but like imagine calling him and him not wanting to hang up ever)
Seungmin:
You realised everyone else must be risking the later bus when you arrived at the bus stop to see only one other student waiting. You’d get to school incredibly early but getting there just 5 minutes before class was just too risky. You waited and waited for the bus but nothing turned up and it was cutting it too fine. Now just half an hour before school started you decided to walk the 1/2 a mile. To your surprise the boy at the bus stop caught up with you and began to walk with you. His excuse was that it would be better if the pair of you walked since it was still kind of dark at that time in the morning but the truth was he’d do anything to get to know you... away from the crowded buses. That walk revealed a lot about each other and you began to be friends who came to school together every morning. Another day came, no bus turned up. You both decided to walk again, this time Seungmin slipped his hand into yours “for warmth” but you didn’t mind.
I.N:
Even though Jeongin was only a little older than you, he still intimidated you, much like any older person, especially since you were in a foreign country. Every time he walked passed you in the corridor you felt the need to say sorry to him even if you didn’t brush shoulders. The last day of term before Christmas break and you were sat eating lunch with your newish friends when a group of older boys came and sat next to you. Jeongin and his friends. The whole lunch you felt restricted to talk in case he thought your accent was weird or something and Jeongin realised that. Half way through lunch he turned to you and told you that it was okay to be yourself and that he won’t listen in on your conversations. But that’s exactly what he did, he couldn’t not. Your “friends” were actually making fun out of you for your “poor” Korean even though you were evidently really trying, but you didn’t realise. Lunch was almost over, when you stood up to walk to your lesson Jeongin leaned towards you, patted you on the back and said “if you ever need to bitch about those mean friends I’m always here to listen, they aren’t nice people, from now on you sit with us” and pointed to his “student ambassador badge” and to his friends wearing similar badges. He was from then on your protector and you met up every day over Christmas, surprising yourself how quickly you could become friends and possibly more with someone you used to be scared of. Every time he’d compliment you on your Korean skills and telling you how to improve, not once burdening him.
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