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👏🏾👏🏾 Thank you for your words regarding the “WW comes first” trope. I know you’re sick of dealing with it like the rest of us but unfortunately, if it’s not called out, people will continue to be ignorant of this and it will continue to happen. As a black woman, I get exhausted seeing the same tired ass complaints from fans when the white male lead shows interest in a woc and you might as well forget it if they actually do become canon. You can literally copy and paste the things they say as to why they are against the ship across the different fandoms cause they all say the same thing when a woc particularly black woman is involved. All of a sudden we see the complaints where they start finding fault with the white male lead, things are written poorly especially the woc, they have empathy for the ww but hardly any for woc, the ship is forced even when they’ve been laying down the groundwork for that interracial ship to happen, the lack of chemistry argument or claiming there’s better chemistry with the ww even though we can see that’s not the case. The list goes on and on. Same shit, different fandom. The ww first trope is a thing and it’s frustrating cause it just adds to the toxicity that exists in fandoms. So these things need to be said cause obviously people aren’t getting the memo
Oh yes, the old usual's.
"I see them as more of a sibling, dynamic."
"I don't know what it is, but there's just something about her that I don't like."
"Wow, that came outta nowhere. I just don't see it."
"Why can't people just be single? Why does EVERYONE have to be together romantically?"
And when it's clear the white male love interest is into the black woman then comes the dissent from the other side, "Is he even really good enough for her?" or "She can do better than him."
The way people were tearing down Max on New Amsterdam because THE WRITERS were giving Helen less and less to do was wild to watch in real time. The fandom turned downright hostile last year when Sharpwin went canon which coincided when Leyren was starting to implode too. In hindsight they were sounding a very angry alarm about Helen's treatment but for some reason it was Max's fault.
Another bit on saw on the Youtube comments for the most recent ship of Billie and Conrad now has everyone beginning to shit on Conrad. When I tell you that that situation was handled in the best possible outcome considering they forced the WW first trope in there, but they are still angry they lost and to a certain extent I understand why. It's not just the entitlement it's the fact that his fascination, his need to want save and be with Cade was written and performed very overtly. His chemistry and most importantly his desire and need for Billie was performed covertly, because it was rooted in denial, internal conflict, and confusion and of course guilt. Which was why I say I won't forgive the writers anytime soon for the way they wrote that because they hand WW ammo and then pretend to be shocked when they start shooting. The wildest thing of all is they are trying to drag Conrad when his growth came while he was with Nic and even moreso after she died. Conrad in the beginning was not my favorite but they didn't care cause he wanted Nic.
There was also an incredibly unhinged black woman who turned on Grant Gustin in the first season of The Flash on Twitter because she felt like he wasn't protecting Candace enough and started calling Ezra Miller 'Her Flash" I've been out of that fandom for years but I wonder if she's gone quiet considering recent events around Ezra.
The fact that there are multiple blogs and hashtags with insert-character-name-defense squad or advocate is not some wild or unforeseen coincidence.
There was no reason to make Conrad and Cade a thing at all. They already did the WW First Trope with another woman who fans wouldn't have been as invested in. The same could be said of Max and Helen. The WW First trope was literally written in from the beginning because he was married but that didn't stop them from writing Widow-mom in there.
But none to me were as unnecessary as Jessie and Rick. I remember watching and being apart of the fandom and thinking, "Huh, there's all these whispers and rumors and excitement of Richonne going canon, why is he making out with this woman he just met in the garage?" Then she died and less than what an episode later he was with Michonne. WHY?! He also had a wife before Michonne was even a factor.
In the cases of Conrad, Max, and Rick there was a vested interest in who they would move on with after they were widowed.
I'm just so tired of it. And what's kind of wild is this isn't a hard trope to understand. WW also discuss The Fridging treatment and it's almost always about WW or at least that's the one's they advocate for and talk about. They largely CALL for the death of WOC on shows.
They complain all day about it but have they ever asked if there was any other WW on the show? Anyone else that gets to serve as representation or full view of white womanhood? Cause the answer is usually yes. But never for us.
So tired.
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incorrectolivia · 2 years
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I think it’s time to talk about the real issue of why people don’t like Gina/Rina. We all know that half of the fandom issue with Gina still is her race and personality. I started becoming a hsmtmts/Gina/Rina fan back in 2020 but secretly been hiding it due to the drama within the show. I have seen a lot of racist things being throw toward Gina/Sofia/Rinas when the show starts in 2019 even though the show had three season comments such as (wishing her character Gina to be ****** off from the show,R*** fans spamming other Rinas accounts calling them rude and disrespectful names. We all seen the way half the fandom reacts whenever there’s a Rina scene on the show. When R***and p* would call Rina a toxic couple just because they don’t like that Ricky could possibly like or love Gina. So, they come up with different and really stupid comments that doesn’t make scenes at all.Or the way Ricky is shipped with anyone else who isn’t Gina. I’m a Woc myself. Sadly that upset me to see that woc characters are not considered to be good enough love interest for their male leads in shows/movies. Now Rinas actually have made such great points on why they ship Rina which i agreed with. Rinas are not the big bad that half the fandom thinks that they are.
there are many other reasons(at least the ones I have seen) why people claim that they don't like gina or rina. I don't really engage with antis so I don't get to see so much of the nasty stuff even though things like that inevitably ends up on my timeline somehow. I'm just encouraging everyone to keep hyping our faves as much as we can because the antis are sadly increasing by the numbers and constantly engaging them doesn't do us any good since they're already adamant with their dislike for rina and even gina.
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marwritesgood · 3 years
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Just Me | S. Basset
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Pairing: Simon x WOC!Reader
Timeframe: Early Season One
Summary: Simon and Y/n had a long history together. So why did it take reading Lady Whistledown’s latest column for her to learn about his blooming relationship with Daphne Bridgerton?
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A/N: This fic is over 6K words. 
The mere thought of a BIPOC love story set in the 18th Century is enough to make me swoon. So I decided to give it a go and write one myself. There’ll be two more parts after this :)
I also wanted to keep the reader description applicable to any and all women of colour, so it’s a bit vague just to ensure all of us (women of colour) can feel included. Please let me know if there any parts of this fic that don’t do this and I’ll fix it asap! 
If you’re white, this fic is not for you to identify with x
Also, if at any point you find my attempt at mimicking the language used in Bridgerton laughable... you are not the only one lmao. This has been super fun to write and also very challenging, but I am well aware it is farrrr from perfect :)
Nonetheless, I hope it’s a nice read for my WOC readers <3
Simon and Y/n first met when they were children. Her mother was very closely acquainted with Lady Danbury, so naturally, a friendship grew between the two of them- and a strong one at that. 
For years, their interactions had remained within confinements of what was socially acceptable. They bickered. They laughed. They shared inside jokes about the people within their social circle. Their feelings for each other never extended beyond what was befitting of a friendship. 
That was until they grew older.
When marriage and love became more and more ingrained into casual conversations, Simon and Y/n explored their feelings for one another. Questioned the extent to which they cared for each other and whether there was something more beneath the surface.
However, just as Y/n came to realise her love for Simon, he left for London. After a few short weeks, he returned with a new title. A new vow that the Hastings bloodline would end with him. Subsequently, with it, any hope Y/n had of her relationship with him becoming anything more than all it had always been: a friendship.
A year had passed since the sorrowful conversation resulting in Simon and Y/n agreeing to not indulge in the affections they shared. Since then, Y/n struggled to focus on securing a marriage proposal from one of the suitors in her town.
“This is your second season,” Y/n’s mother cried as she paced across the sitting room. Y/n sat in silence, having been interrupted from playing the piano by another one of her panicked outbursts. “Your second season and yet you continue to reject every marriage proposal you receive.”
She couldn’t blame her mother for being frustrated with her. As her only daughter, she needed to find a good match and be married off as soon as possible. Her father was of old age, but even he remained restless that Y/n be married. He much preferred the prospect of dying knowing that the estate would be inherited by Y/n’s husband instead of his nephew.
“I did not reject Mr Graham’s proposal, mama,” Y/n responded, unnervingly calmly considering how distraught her mother was. Mr Graham’s proposal was the latest one she had received that season. “I... simply asked for more time to consider my answer.”
“What on earth is there to consider?” Mrs Y/l/n shrieked. Her frustration only grew when her daughter was unable to answer her question. Y/n turned away from her mother. “He is a good man. He comes from a good, honourable family and will give you a good future- something you will not have if you continue to turn away suitors.”
“Mama, please.” Y/n could not say anything more, for fear that her mother’s anger toward her would only grow if she were to find out the truth. The real reason she could not yet bring herself to accept a marriage proposal.
“Why do you need time to consider, Y/n?” Her daughter had stood up from behind the piano and had her back turned to her mother. That did not stop her from continuing to pry. After so many rejected proposals, she felt she had a right to know why her daughter refused to marry. “I beg of you, tell me- what is there to consider?... What could possibly be keeping you from marrying Mr Graham.”
They stood in silence for a moment before Y/n sighed exasperatedly and turned back to face her mother.
“I do not love him,” Y/n replied in a hushed cry, only just loud enough for Mrs Y/l/n to hear from across the room. “He may be a good man, mama, but I... I do not love him, and I do not believe I ever could.”
She knew from their first encounter that she could never love him. Perhaps it was how he mispronounced her grandmother’s name or the way he possessed the same arrogance as every other suitor Y/n encountered. 
“My dear,” Mrs Y/l/n said, her voice and expression softening entirely. She reached out for her daughter’s hand and took hold of it gently. She knew precisely how Y/n felt, which meant that, unfortunately, she knew there was nothing to be done. “We have talked about this. Women like you and I... we do not have the luxury to make decisions based on our own feelings.”
Y/n was surrounded by women who did not share the same experiences she did. Women who could not empathise with the challenges she faced and being a woman in the 18th Century. Not even if they tried.
Therefore, whenever Y/n found herself hoping for the same things as the white women around her, she had to bring herself back to reality. She had to remember that if life was unkind to white women, it would always be hell for women like her, no matter who married into the royal family.
“I know,” Y/n answered. 
She did. She knew it was incredibly reckless of her to reject all of the proposals she had received. She knew she was naïve for basing her decision based on love. Yet, even so, she could not keep herself from holding out on the hope that she would not end up in a loveless marriage.
“I do not mean to upset you, Y/n,” Mrs Y/l/n said sincerely, as she guided her daughter to the nearest seat. “But I fear that if you continue on, you will have no more proposals to reject, and I... I simply cannot bear the thought... Please, dear, you must-”
Y/n began to close her eyes ready to brace herself for what she feared would inevitably happen- her mother insisting she accepts a proposal. However, just as she did, a maid knocked on the door and promptly brought in the newspaper. When Simon left for London, Y/n requested that any newspaper copy or mail sent to her from London be immediately handed to her. She looked forward to any kind of update on him.
“Thank you,” Y/n said to the maid as she handed her the newspaper. Without hesitation, she immediately turned to Lady Whistledown’s column.
“What does it say?” Her mother asked, giving up on her attempts at convincing Y/n to accept a marriage proposal, at least for the time being. 
Y/n’s blood ran cold as she read the column. She had expected to hear more about the bitter impression Simon was leaving in London. She was going to comment on how typical arrogant white elitists villainising anyone who did not approach them in a way that appeases their ego.
But that was not what she read.
Instead, she read about Simon showing a particular interest in the woman named the ‘Diamond of the Season’ by the Queen herself- Miss Daphne Bridgerton. She read about him courting her and spending a significant amount of time with her. She read about flowers, the expensive kind, and walks through Hyde park, and she was unsure whether to feel betrayed or feel furious.
It was one thing for Simon to begin courting another woman, after explaining to Y/n that he would never marry. It was another for her to have to learn all of this from reading the Lady Whistledown column. 
Without providing her mother with an answer as to what the column wrote, Y/n slammed the newspaper against the table beside her and stood up abruptly. 
Her mother went to reprimand Y/n for slamming the paper so violently against her favourite table. However, Y/n walked hastily into her bedroom. She began to plan what she was to pack when she would leave for London in the morning.
She was adamant on learning the truth in its entirety. And, this time, not from an anonymous publisher but from Simon himself.
***
Y/n had an aunt who lived in London with her husband and their three kids- all much younger than Y/n was. She knew that if she could get away with arriving in London unannounced with intent to stay for longer than a week, her only luck was with her aunt.
After she was escorted inside by one of the workers, Y/n stood and marvelled at her aunt’s husband’s estate. It looked nothing like the sitting room at her home. It looked fancier with much nicer things, leading her to think back to why her mother pushed so hard for her to marry. Mrs Y/l/n had helped her younger sister find a match, and now she lived in a beautiful home in London. 
Perhaps all she wanted was to ensure the same future for her only child.
“Y/n, my dear!” Her aunt came bursting through the doors with arms stretched out. She pulled Y/n into a tight embrace as she always did whenever greeting her niece. Before her three children, she had Y/n. “Oh, how I have missed you!”
“I have missed you too, Aunt Philippa,” Y/n smiled, gently clutching her aunt’s hand as she held her cheek. “Please forgive me for arriving here unannounced. I would have written to you in advanced, but I have an urgent matter to attend to.”
“Do not be silly, my dear,” Philippa laughed, before guiding her niece out of the sitting room and towards the staircase. “You are welcome to stay here for as long as you may need. Though I imagine your mother will be impatiently anticipating your return... how is my dear sister?”
“As restless as ever,” Y/n mumbled. Philippa’s laughter echoed across the halls. Just as she expected, her older sister had not changed. Not one bit. “She is adamant that I am engaged by the end of the season, which is part of the reason I needed to leave home so quickly.”
“I do not blame you, dear,” Philippa murmured. She knew from first-hand experience how relentless Y/n’s mother could be. Even so, she knew it was out of love. Y/n knew as well. “Now... what is the urgent matter you need to attend? I imagine you will need a chaperone... and perhaps a carriage?”
Y/n smiled in relief. Everything she had done leading up to her arrival in London was purely impulsive. She hadn’t even thought of how she would get to Simon or who she would have to escort and chaperone her. 
“You wouldn’t happen to know the whereabouts of... the Duke of Hastings?”
Philippa’s eyes grew twice in size. Whether it was shock or excitement, Y/n could not figure out. It wasn’t until her aunt pulled her into the nearest empty room, checked to see if anyone was listening in, and grinned at her that Y/n concluded it was the latter.
“When I read about the Duke and Miss Bridgerton, all I could think of was you,” Philippa began, speaking in a hushed tone, though unable to contain her excitement. She did not typically indulge in gossip, but she was entirely invested in staying updated to her niece and Simon. “You never did tell me what happened when he returned. Did you confess your feelings?”
Philippa had generously volunteered her afternoons so that her niece could practise what she would say to Simon. She hoped those afternoons had not been spent in vain.
“I did... And then he did too... Before telling me, he would never marry,” Y/n explained, trying to conceal the way her breath hitched and the way tears welled up in her eyes. “Though, after reading Lady Whistledown’s column, it is clear that perhaps he meant that he would never marry me.”
Philippa frowned and lifted her hand up again, holding the side of Y/n’s face and swiping the few tears she couldn’t stop from escaping. As she did so, Y/n inhaled sharply- trying desperately to keep herself from indulging in her sorrow.
“I am sure that is not the case, dearest,” Philippa insisted. 
She refused to believe Simon would do that to her niece. Not after the stories she had heard from Y/n as they grew up. Not to mention all the times she caught one staring at the other across ballrooms and dining tables. 
“We must hurry,” she chirped, dropping her hand so she could grasp her niece’s arm. “I believe the Duke will be in Hyde Park with Lady Danbury. ‘Tis best we leave now if we wish to catch them.”
Y/n smiled. Being with her aunt was a nice change of pace to being with her mother. She would have scolded Y/n had she caught wind of what had happened. 
***
Upon their arrival at Hyde Park, Philippa approached Lady Danbury. Her plan was to make conversation with her, find out more about Simon and Daphne’s relationship. Then, she would ultimately create a segue for Y/n to have a somewhat private conversation with Simon.
However, Y/n had other plans.
When they arrived, she scanned the park in search of Simon. Once she spotted him walking alone on the pavement, she threw caution and decorum to the wind. Before her Aunt Philippa could stop her, Y/n sprinted. 
Once she reached him, she grabbed his shoulder roughly, prompting him to turn around.
“Peach,” Simon whispered, dumbfounded by Y/n’s sudden appearance.
He stopped calling Y/n by her name when they were five. Instead, he called her Peach, for reasons that remained a mystery to Y/n. Despite not knowing the reasoning behind it, she always adored it. She was the only person he had a unique designated name for.
More recently, she wondered if Miss Bridgerton would soon become an exception.
“You owe me an explanation,” Y/n said harshly, not having the patience to beat around the bush. This was primarily because she wanted to know the truth and because she was out of breath from sprinting to Simon.  “Do I really mean so little to you, Simon?”
“Please lower your voice,” Simon begged, subtly grabbing Y/n’s arm and quickening their pace to avoid the crowded area of the park. 
“Do not speak to me as though I am a child,” Y/n growled, yanking her arm away from him and stepping back. 
“Then do not act like one,” Simon retorted.
Y/n scoffed, before dusting off her dress. Simon rolled his eyes to cover his nervousness. He had a habit of concealing it with aggression. Y/n was often able to see through it, but she was guilty of doing the same.
“What changed?” Y/n asked as she looked back at Simon. “You seemed so certain when you told me you would never marry. Now you have extended your stay in London to court Miss Bridgerton?”
“I wish I could give you an answer,” Simon responded honestly. It was perhaps the most honest statement he had made all month. 
His courtship of Daphne was a mere ruse to attract more suitors for her. Truth be told, Simon was incredibly stressed by it, but he was too deep into the lie to give up any time soon. He hadn’t anticipated Y/n would be caught in the middle of it.
“Well, what could be hindering you from doing so?” Y/n cried, confused by how vague and cryptic Simon was acting.
He struggles to find the right words. The last thing he wanted was to hurt Y/n any more than he already had, but he could not give her the answer she wanted. Although he was not actually courting Daphne, he still would not marry. Thus, he could not do what would make her happy, which was the main reason he kept his distance from her in the first place.
“Things are different now,” Simon said apologetically, hoping to deter Y/n from prying. Though he desperately wanted to say more, he knew that doing so was incredibly risky. “We... we are not children anymore.”
Y/n blinked, astonished by Simon’s reaction. It was far from what she had expected. She expected an explanation. She expected assurance. Instead, she has pushed aside as though she and her feelings were disposable. 
This was a familiar feeling to Y/n.
“Is that all you think of me?” She asked angrily. Simon, of all the people in her life, had the most power to hurt her. And he often did so without realising. “A child?... And our relationship? You think it is something as easy to put behind you as your childhood? Is that all this is to you, Simon?”
She went to speak again. To demand what she felt she had a right to. However, before she could get a word out, a woman appeared from behind her. She was fair-skinned and wore a dress that resembled her complexion. 
“Miss Bridgerton,” Simon gasped. He did not know whether to be grateful for her arrival or concerned about how it would affect Y/n. He eventually became both. “May I introduce you to Miss Y/l/n. She is a... very close family friend.”
Y/n had to keep herself from scoffing. She was more to him than just a friend. Y/n knew that well, despite Simon’s denial.
“I am terribly sorry,” Miss Bridgerton cried, averting her attention to Y/n. “I did not mean to intrude.”
“Not at all,” Y/n assured, smiling sincerely at Daphne. Her anger was entirely directed towards Simon. Unlike him, Daphne had no pre-existing history with Y/n to remain considerate of. “I actually must return to my aunt. It was lovely to finally meet you, Miss Bridgerton.”
Before Y/n turned to walk back to her Aunt Philippa, she glanced back at Simon, who was very clearly terrified of how calm Y/n was. He could only imagine the amount of anger she was harbouring. Deterring her would prove to be much more complicated than he expected.
“Your grace,” Y/n snarled through gritted teeth, before forcing a smile as she turned away.
***
It had been a week since Y/n and Simon’s interaction at Hyde Park.
Y/n sat beside her aunt Philippa in a carriage as she read through her mother’s letter. She had made vividly clear, through an eight-paged rant, that she was absolutely livid with her daughter. Y/n’s hands were trembling. 
“I assume she is quite upset?” Philippa asked, though she already knew the answer. 
Y/n had extended her stay to a week just so she could attend a gala at Lady Danbury’s estate. It was her last hope of catching a moment alone with Simon and gaining, at the very least, some form of closure. She hoped it would not come to that, but from their last interaction, Y/n was losing confidence.
“She is furious,” Y/n answered shortly, before folding the letter abruptly and placing it aside. Her mother wrote one demand that sent chills through her bones. “If I am not home within a week, she will come to London and take me back herself. Then, I will have to accept Mr Graham’s proposal.”
Philippa’s stomach dropped. She placed her hand atop her niece’s. Y/n looked down to conceal the tears that began to gather in her eyes. Philippa noticed and wrapped her arm around Y/n, gently squeezing her shoulder. 
“I am sure it will not come to that,” she whispered soothingly, though she struggled to sound sincere. Y/n nodded. She didn’t quite believe her aunt, but she knew there was no point in losing hope entirely. At least not yet.
Once they arrived at the gala, Philippa made conversation with a friend, whileY/n made way to Lady Danbury. The event was held in her courtyard. While others marvelled at her estate, Y/n felt a warm sense of nostalgia. When Lady Danbury brought Simon to her London estate during summers, she would often invite Y/n and her parents. While her parents and the Danburys made conversation in the house, Simon and Y/n would run about freely outside.
“Welcome back, Miss Y/l/n,” Lady Danbury smiled warmly, as Y/n and her aunt approached her.
“It is a pleasure to be here, my lady,” Y/n responded curtly, before laughing out loud as Lady Danbury pulled her into her arms for a tight hug. 
Once she let go, they made small talk. Lady Danbury asked Y/n how her parents were. Y/n asked Lady Danbury how she was and how her fruit orchards were. After they ran out of things to discuss, Y/n could not help but scan the room searching for Simon, who was nowhere to be found.
“I am not completely sure where he is,” Lady Danbury said, startling Y/n who had not realised how far from natural she was acting. “Though, he did complain about how suffocated he was by the throng here... I imagine he has gone to a place where it will be difficult for most to find him.”
Y/n thought for a moment. Lady Danbury was cryptic by nature, and after years of knowing her, she had a knack for figuring out what she meant. Once Y/n knew, she smiled at Lady Danbury, before excusing herself from the gala.
Y/n headed away from the gala and towards the maze area. It was well-lit, which she was grateful for as it meant she could navigate her way around swiftly. It felt like second-nature to her; running about in the Danbury’s London Estate. She forgot how much she enjoyed the thrill of running through and past the hedges.
Once she reached the maze’s centre, she saw Simon standing idle, his back towards where she stood. That was the place they spent most of their time. When they were younger, they would sit there and play games. As they got older, they would sit there and talk. Sometimes he would read while she drew. Sometimes vice versa. But most of the time, they spoke—about everything worth talking about, and then some.
“I remember the first time we played here together,” Y/n began, causing Simon to jump. Once he turned around and saw Y/n his tense posture softened, and a small smile appeared across his face. She felt relieved by it, though she didn’t want to let her guard down entirely. “I got lost, almost immediately, and you found me sitting here, cross-legged, in a puddle of tears. Do you remember?”
Simon chuckled. Of course, he thought. 
“You were inconsolable when I found you,” he mocked, prompting Y/n to reach out and lightly punch his shoulder. His laughter only grew.
“We were five,” Y/n reasoned. She would never admit that she was dramatic. Not even as a child. “I genuinely thought no one would ever find me... and then you did, within a matter of minutes.”
She joined him in laughing. It made for a very entertaining story that they retold relentlessly. While others were sick of hearing it, neither of them were sick of recounting it, for their own reasons.
“I told you I would never leave you behind,” he added, smiling as he thought back to that day. His smile faded quickly when he realised the irony. He frowned and took a step towards Y/n. “Peach, I must apologise-”
“-No... I am the one who must apologise,” she intervened. Simon stood back in confusion. Y/n sighed before clarifying herself. “I did not mean to blindside you so aggressively before. I did not come here to argue with you, Simon, I... I came to ask you if it is true... Are you courting Miss Bridgerton... with the intent of marrying?”
Simon winced. 
He felt conflicted by both his love for Y/n and the promise he made to Daphne to uphold their ruse. He could not in good faith outright admit that he was merely pretending to court Miss Bridgerton. However, he couldn’t bear the thought of breaking Y/n’s heart a second time.
His lips parted, but his mouth ran dry. Before Simon could keep himself from blurting out the wrong thing, he was overcome by a habit he developed over the last month of playing along.
“I am,” he answered.
Just as he did, he lifted his hand to his temple and scrunched his eyebrows. He couldn’t bring himself to look at Y/n. He was still haunted by the look on her face when he told her he would never marry.
“Right,” she sniffled, unsure how to react. Y/n had convinced herself that there was more to the story than what she had read from Lady Whistledown. She regretted how in-denial she allowed herself to become. 
One thing Y/n knew for sure, though, was that she did not want to be near Simon. Although she was on the verge of sobbing, she still turned around and intended to leave him, but Simon grabbed her arm and kept her from doing so.
“Please let me explain,” he begged.
Y/n’s tears halted as she glared at Simon, shocked. She shook her arm out of his grasp and took a step back from him. She had always despised the way men often treated women as though they were disposable and replaceable. She never expected Simon to be one.
“There is no explanation necessary,” she scoffed.
“Y/n, please, you do not understand,” Simon cried. It was rare for him to call her by her name, but Y/n dubbed it as him trying to manipulate her emotions. She would not let that happen. 
“No, of course, you would deceive me,” Y/n spat, unwilling to let Simon get a word in. She was tired of waiting around just to hear from him. This time, she would be the talking. He would be the one listening. “-about not wanting to marry or have children, and of course, I believed your ridiculous lie, like the fool I have always been for you.”
“Ridiculous?” Simon hissed. Y/n’s dismissal of his vow sparked a fit of anger that overcame him before he could realise it had done so. No one had ever called to question or criticised his decision to remain a bachelor for life. No one until Y/n.
“Perhaps not a ridiculous lie,” Y/n sneered. “No, it was more-so childish and nonsensical.”
“And yet, you believed it... What is that to say about you, Miss Y/l/n?” Simon scorned. Y/n flinched. Simon had only ever addressed her in such a way to either tease her or to emphasise his anger. It had been a long while since he had done so for the latter. “It was not a lie, Y/n, I... You could never understand the immense pressure I have been placed under my entire life-”
“- Pressure that significantly decreased with the death of your father,” Y/n argued. Simon acted as though he had a monopoly over her when it came to challenges in life. He could not have been more wrong. “I, on the other hand, am placed under severe pressure and will continue to be, long after my parents pass... That is one of the many things you will never understand.”
“That is not true,” Simon fired back, only for Y/n to continue speaking- this time, with a louder voice.
“We may be the same in one sense, but we are significantly different in another, because you, Simon, are still a man with a title.” Y/n and Simon both shared similar challenges as neither of them were white. However, where Simon inherited certain advantages for being a man, and a Duke, Y/n was only disparaged more. He often forgot that. “You, at the very least, still have the luxury of choice. To choose how you wish to fulfil your future, and whether or not that may include a wife or children.”
Simon lowered his eyes defeatedly. Though he was still angry, there was no denying the shame he felt. 
“I do not. Those choices were made for me the moment I was born a daughter and not a son. So do not act as though you are in a position to empathise with me,” Y/n said. “Especially when you have been the least bit empathetic after I came all the way here, just to confirm the truth about you and Miss Bridgerton.”
“I never told you to come to London,” Simon snapped.
“No, you did not,” Y/n retorted, with just as much, if not more, annoyance in her voice. “You did not tell me anything. I had to find out at the same moment as everyone else in England, as though we are strangers.”
Simon flinched as Y/n progressed from speaking loudly to outright shouting. He had always relied on having her sympathy and her support, even when he was in the wrong. Thankfully, they were far from the gala. However, Simon still feared someone had heard her reprimanding him.
“You claim you are different, now that you are a Duke, but you are the same as you have always been,” Y/n continued. She knew how he had always been. Better than anyone, let alone Miss Bridgerton, that was for sure. “You are still rigid and arrogant. You are still a coward who will never allow himself to feel any kind of joy. And you are still revolving your every decision in life around a man you claim to despise.”
“You do not know a thing,” he whispered, which only confirmed to Y/n that he was scared. He was intimidated. For as long as they had known one another, Y/n rarely confronted his relationship with his father.
“I have watched you go from living only to please him to living only to spite him, even if it means hurting the people who actually care for you,” she cried. She had no more anger within her. Not any more. She had only sadness. “Did it ever occur to you how much it hurt when you rejected me?”
“That was never my intention,” Simon said regretfully. 
It was the truth, though Simon had begun to realise that his wrath against his father blinded him from what he cared about more: her happiness. 
“Peach,” he whispered, inching towards Y/n as he lifted his hand and held the left side of her face. “Please, believe me, I never meant to hurt you.”
Their eyes locked for what felt like an eternity. It had been so long since they had shared a moment like that. An intimate moment shared between no one but them. Where Simon was not the stoic and emotionally detached Duke of Hastings. He was Simon. Dare she say, her Simon.
Despite that, Y/n was the first to turn away. She wanted to indulge. To take advantage of the opportunity to reconcile with him. To enjoy how vulnerable he was, after months of distance. 
But she couldn’t. 
Not when there were still questions burning in her mind. She could not rest until they were dealt with. After all, she was her mother’s child.
“Then what about Miss Bridgerton?” Y/n’s expression remained stagnant, but she could not keep hands from trembling. Simon winced at the mention of Daphne. “You... courting her after rejecting me... You cannot possibly tell me you did not intend to hurt me when you did that.”
Simon opened his mouth to say something, but nothing came out. He had no response to what she had said because there was no justification for what he had done. All he could do was curse quietly to himself for taking so long to realise how foolish he had been.
“I had always expected this to happen,” Y/n began, sniffling as she tried to compose herself enough to explain herself. Simon remained quiet and decided he would until she finished. He figured he owed her as much. “I always knew I would be turned away for someone like Daphne Bridgerton.”
It had been the subject of many of her mother’s lessons. Before she was introduced to society, her mother made it a point to prepare her for rejection. To not hold out hope for any man, until a marriage proposal was made. 
Simon had been Y/n’s only exception to that rule. 
“It’s happened to me my whole life,” Y/n laughed bitterly, as she recalled all the times she had lost to a woman of fairer skin than her. All the times she wept to her Aunt Philippa and to Simon. “I always expected this would happen. But I never expected this would happen with you.”
Simon’s eyebrows furrowed as he watched Y/n struggle to stifle her cries in between her sentences. He had watched her sit in this sorrow many times, just as she had done for him, for this was a pain she shared. But this time was different. This time he was the one responsible. 
He didn’t know pain, so heart-wrenching, was possible. But watching her cry and knowing he could do nothing to fix it. That pain had never felt more real.
“I do not blame you, Simon,” Y/n whimpered, which only made him hurt more. He wanted her to be angry. To berate him some more. It was the least of what he deserved for causing her such sorrow. “She is the ‘Diamond of the Season’ after all, and... I am just me.”
Y/n hated the pity party she was throwing for herself, but she could not help what she felt. After a life of being classed second to white women, who could blame her for internalising this? 
He was dying to say something. To tell Y/n that she had it all wrong. He wanted to reveal that his courtship of Daphne was all a ruse. That he could never bring himself to entertain the idea of marrying anyone but her. But his fear of only making things worse left him paralysed. 
“You have made it abundantly clear that I was a fool forever waiting around for you,” she said to Simon. Unfortunately for him, she had taken his lack of response as confirmation that what she had concluded of the situation was accurate. “I will not make that mistake again.”
“Peach-”
“Goodbye, Simon,” Y/n blurted as she turned away hastily. 
Left in too much shock to reach out and stop her, Simon stood, dumbfounded, and watched as the woman he loved walked away from him and back to the gala. Looking back, he wished he had called out to her. Simon wished he had run after her. But he did not.
When Y/n reached the courtyard where the gala was being held, she couldn’t help the wave of disappointment that rushed over when she realised Simon let her go. This assured her that she was right to leave him, but it did not alleviate the pain in doing so. 
She made her way through the crowd and searched for her aunt. As she did, she felt her cheeks burn and her pace of breath quicken. She had gone through all the effort of coming to London just for what she feared most to be the reality. 
“There you are, my dear!”
Y/n turned around and saw her Aunt approaching her. Philippa smiled brightly as she walked towards her niece. However, when she realised that Y/n’s enthusiasm fell short of matching hers by a significant margin, her smile began to fade.
“Where is Simon?” She inquired, her voice lowered to not draw attention to their conversation. From Y/n expression, Philippa inferred that was the last thing she wanted.
Y/n’s lip quivered as she tried desperately to answer her aunt’s question. When she failed to do so, she hung her head- too embarrassed to face her aunt. Philippa frowned. A line appeared between her brows as she reached out to her distraught niece.
Though she was dying to know, the details of Simon and Y/n’s conversation were the least of her concerns. All she cared for was her niece and helping her in any way she needed. 
“I will call for our carriage,” she whispered, before guiding Y/n out of the courtyard. 
Once their carriage arrived, Philippa sat opposite her niece and watched worriedly as she refused to make eye contact, let alone speak.
“Is there anything I can do?”
Y/n took a long moment to respond. She stared at her gloved hands as she thought about what to do next. She regretted all the proposals she had turned down, and all the ways she put her life on hold for Simon. She felt ashamed that she had allowed herself to be in the situation she was in. 
Then she realised the only thing she could do to fix it.
“May you organise a carriage to take me home tomorrow?” Y/n asked. Her aunt’s eyes widened. Returning home to face her mother was the last thing Philippa expected Y/n to want to do. 
She watched her niece closely, trying to figure out what her plan moving forward was. Y/n finally looked up and met her aunt’s gaze. To Philippa’s surprise, her niece had a prominent sense of confidence in her expression. 
“Why, my dear?” Philippa quizzed, her eyebrows still knitted in confusion as well as fear. The way her niece was suddenly overcome with confidence after being on the verge of tears was concerning. She couldn’t imagine it would lead to anything good.
Y/n inhaled sharply, pursing her lips as she did so. She knew her aunt would disagree with what she planned to do. But she also knew that, given the circumstance, Philippa would reluctantly do as she asked. Before she answered, Y/n momentarily glanced down at her hands and turned back to her aunt.
“I have a proposal to accept.”
NEXT PART
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anarchistfemmoire · 2 years
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Propaganda in ATLA & LOK :
Can I just say I love the propaganda in ATLA and LOK? "The Boy in the Iceberg" and "The Adventures of Nuktuk, Hero of the South" are both such interesting bits of worldbuilding in the Avatar universe that I don't really think are talked about enough, at least in the lense of what they both tell us about the worlds they've been made in, the views of the people, how things are seen.
And because I'm a nerd, and also spent a lot of AP history classes analyzing propaganda, I'm going to do it again now. ALSO: CW - I'm going to mention racism in relation to the propaganda.
PART ONE: THE EMBER ISLAND PLAYERS
Okay, so what I'm going to be doing is breaking down the society and the stereotypes of the people who made the show, IE, giving an example of what Fire Nation society sees the world as in general. Now, we have been told how they view the world - and how they seem themselves as superior - but I actually think a lot of things in the play are incredibly interesting, especially because of what we already know. It's also one of the few examples of Bryke not skirting around the racialization of other peoples that are inherent aspects of imperialism and colonialism, which is great.
I'm going to break it down by character.
Aang: I like that it lets us know, right off the bat, that anti-Air Nomad stereotypes probably feminized them to an extreme. It's also funny to see that such a serious culture, that is made fun of for being so serious in the Kyoshi books, proves how serious they are, by making it clear they look down on what they consider "carefree" attitudes, mocking Aang for having one. This especially culminates in seeing how they portray the events of the Siege of the North, seeing Aang as reckless and relishing in what, to them, was probably a very dark event in their history, and something they probably hadn't recovered from by them. The Avatar is weak and careless and callous towards human life, and that's why you should cheer when he dies at the end.
Sokka: His is a little less in-depth. He's weak, stupid and starving, and his portrayed is somewhat reminiscent of a minstrel show - just to laugh at a "stupid, animalistic brown man." It's very clear, that they really look down on Water Tribe men, and that's probably because they want to show people how "dumb" they are, meanwhile, the Southern Expedition Forces have humiliated the Fire Nation multiple times.
Katara: Hers is probably the most offensive, which is most accurate to real life - WOC are always treated the worse due to the intersectionalism of racism and misogyny. Anyway, she's very hypersexualized, and her "emotions" are seen as a bad thing. She's also portrayed as very stupid, but it seems a lot more viscious then with Sokka's, which was just supposed to be 'entertaining.'
Zuko: It seems to me that they want to portray him as cowardly and incompetent, make him seem less like someone you'd genuinely want on your country's throne. He's cruel to his elders (his treatment of Iroh), he disregards his home's traditions (growing out his hair when that shaved look is meant to be a punishment), and he's incredibly weak (he never wins fights). They also seem to want to imply he's a race traitor by having him show romantic interest for Katara, which is another interesting thing about hers; they're mocking him, by dehumanizing her.
Toph: They portray her as a man because, unlike Air Nomads, Earth Kingdom people are hyper-masculinized. Even a little girl is the same threat as a full grown man to them. I also do think the theory that no one wanted to admit that they had their ass handed to them by a little girl might be partially responsible.
It's just a really interesting (and disturbing) look into how the Fire Nation sees other races.
PART TWO: NUKTUK
I think the first thing I love about Nuktuk is the way it shows us that, the same way Nazi imagery has affected western cinematography, Fire Nation imagery has affected their world's.
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That deadass looks like Ozai, and they're using it as a way to immediately inspire fear and incite hatred. Perfect. Invoking a still relatively recent event to stir people up is exactly what a propaganda film would do. His scene where he crowns himself and declares his intentions to rule the whole world, was also clearly meant to evoke Ozai.
Also reminiscent of real-world propaganda films is the interspacing of real combat footage with a fake compelling narrative, as a microcosm of all the horror that is happening, making the audience sympathetic, while keeping them engaged.
Another thing very reminiscent of our world, is having Nuktuk beat the shit out of the villains, sort of like Captain America during WWII. Seeing as Nuktuk was made by a SWT man (we'll get to that), I imagine he put that in as a way to make the audience feel better about what was happening. They couldn't go punch Unalaaq in the face themselves, so Nuktuk will.
Nuktuk of the North is clearly modelled after Nanook of the North, but I think that's in title only, considering I doubt Varrick would spread misinformation about his own culture.
The sexualization of Nuktuk and the Water Tribe in general is interesting. I imagine it's from just how pervasive the Fire Nation's sexualization of the Water Tribe, and the world's view of them being "uncivilized" compared to themselves. I don't know if it's mean to say that Varrick has sort of forgotten his roots in his attempt to assimilate into the United Republic or if it's trying to say that he knew it would be the only way to get people to see it. (Obviously, it's just meant to be funny, but that's a whole other topic.)
Finally, the fact that Varrick used it to promote his products is a pretty good satire on capitalism finding even the most tragic events to exploit for money. As Varrick himself said, "If you can't make money during a war, then you flat-out cannot make money."
I know both of these are just meant to be funny, to break up some of the more serious stuff, and to sort of recap what's been going on, but from a Watsonian perspective (as in, in universe), I think it's a fascinating study into worldbuilding that I'm not even sure Bryke fully intended to make.
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The White Lotus, HBOMax
Alright four episodes in and things are finally starting to ramp up. My face throughout the whole episode was stuck on discomfort. This show packs so much tension in every 45 minutes that I'm constantly waiting for somebody to pop off or something crazy to happen but instead we get teased with the smallest little plot pusher. Which is working. I'm officially intrigued. I do wish I knew the overall point of the show because that's what would've helped me decide if I wanted to keep up with but now my determination to find out how this all ends is doing just that...
Character breakdown + Spoilers/Predictions
Armond: The manager of the White Lotus resort. I love him in all his poor choices. He's just constant chaos simply because he has the power to create it. He's also the biggest driver of drama. He lies a lot, almost pathologically, and he will carry those lies to the grave for no real reason.
Nicole Mossbacher: Resort guest, Mark's wife, and Olivia and Quinn's mom. She's a pretty basic character who is teased about possibly having OCD and working during vacation. She was pretty chill in the first 2 episodes but every once in a while she says things that gives off I'm a centrist but my views lean a little more conservative.
Mark Mossbacher: In the beginning he's stressing about possibly having testicular cancer because his father died of cancer... Turns out his father had AIDs. He has a depressive episode over his dad being gay and then, while drunk, he inadvertently comes onto the Armond. The next day Armond tests the waters with Sober Mark and we get uncomfortably funny scenes of Armond coming onto Mark in front of the whole family. Mark's a very passive dude who doesn't do anything exciting in the show but we just find out that he has, in the past, repeatedly cheated on his wife and didn't tell her (he told his son that he did tell Nicole but I don't believe it) I think his theme is just being genuinely unhappy with his life at the moment.
Olivia Mossbacher: She's a college sophmore and has many moments where she calls out her parents questionable statements. She carries herself with a weird nonchalance where you'd think she's a mean girl but she's only ever expectedly mean to her brother. However, she brought along her friend Paula and we start to see that their friendship is built on some unspoken competition. The girls do tons of drugs on vacay until Armond gets his hands on them and breaks his 5 year sobriety. This is when and why shit starts to hit the fan. They know he stole the drugs but because everyone avoids admitting to having illegal drugs, no one is ever outright accused.
Paula: Olivia's poc friend, possible hypochondriac, and supplier of drugs, has secret rendezvous with one of the Hawaiian native resort workers. She refuses to say anything when asked about her nightly disappearances but Olivia knows why or for whom Paula keeps sneaking off. We learn that Paula doesn't want Olivia to know about her and her beau because Olivia always wants what she has. My theory is that this wouldn't be the first time Olivia has stolen a partner of hers and I think now because Paula isn't admitting to hooking up with this guy, Olivia is gonna steal him and use Paula's secrecy as a way of blame.
Quinn Mossbacher: Involuntary loner in my opinion. He comes off as a classic video game nerd, obsessed with the internet, cant live without his Switch and Fortnite. He doesn't have any friends and he takes all the teasing from Olivia and Paula without a fuss. But he starts sleeping on the beach alone and keeps running into these amazing sights to see. This is where we start to see him blossom and speak up. Its ever so slow but in episode 4 he actually walks up to a group of guys and introduces himself, interested in their boat related sport[?] (Or maybe even the guys themselves🤞) He's also the only one who knows about the Dad's affair and stupidly hints at it at the family dinner (he's just genuinely stupid).
Shane Patton: Also a resort guest and the funniest character to me. He's your run of the mill self-centered male Karen (Kevin if you will) and he arrives at the resort with his wife Rachel. They're on their honeymoon but so many moments make you question why in the hell did these two get married? He is in an unnecessarily one sided battle with Armond. First the resort accidentally downgrades his room. Armond gaslights Shane into thinking that he never purchased the bigger room. Shane gets a receipt. Armond tells him there's a German couple staying in the receipted room longer than Shane and his wife are there so the room will not be ready for them in time. Shane finds out the Germans are actually leaving wayy earlier. Armond apologizes and books them a romantic sunset dinner on a boat. The boat is actually a funeral where a strange grieving woman, named Tanya, fails to spread her mothers ashes in the sea. Shane confronts Armond and asks for Corperate's number. Armond creates a fake business card and when Shane realizes the number is fake, he bursts into Armond's office to find him rimming a coworker while high on Ketamine. Prediction: Armond's gonna get blackmailed for abuse of power in a classic Monicagate manner.
Rachel: Shane's wife. Rachel's a journalist who actually looked up to Nicole (her job as CEO of god knows what puts her in the public eye) but when she finally got to sit with Nicole over lunch, Nicole calls her out for writing an incredibly slut shamey article, claiming that Nicole used her femininity to get her where she is now. This is the first smack in the face that maybe journalism isn't for Rachel. Well that on top of the constant teasing from Shane about her career choices. Shane's family is much more wealthy than Rachel's and he always finds subtle ways to make it known. Shane also pays her no mind, flirting with Olivia and Paula and battling Armond. Even during their arguments (which happens too many times for newlyweds) Shane doesn't look at Rachel and just gives periodic "mhmm"s and "okay"s. Also Rachel hates the Mossbacher family simply because they all seem to be doing better than her.
Now for the boring ones
Tanya McQuoid: An eccentric resort guest (which is a polite way of saying, a weird ass person who is over polite and basically pushes herself into every other character's drama in the most unintentional way, she's also bad at reading the room) She comes off as calm and quiet but we find out that her mother recently passed and she's in Hawaii to spread her mothers ashes. She becomes creepily obsessed with the resort's massage parlor manager, Belinda, after a complimentary massage and suggests becoming a beneficiary so Belinda can open up her own massage parlor. Her "obsession" could possibly just stem from Belinda showing her an act of kindness during a hard time but I know I questioned Tanya's intentions for at least the first two episodes... In episode 4, some random dude, Greg, shows up and invites Tanya to dinner after "accidentally" mistaking her room door for his own. Tanya postpones a business meeting with Belinda so she and Greg can hook up that night. The presence of these characters feel a little out of place. Unlike the Newly Weds and the Mossbacher family, there is not a lot of plot overlap. Tanya will often pop up to converse with the others and brag about Balinda's skills but she doesn't cause any trouble. Tanya's also very wealthy so I definitely thing this "Greg" has some secret plot to take down Tanya or plant something or steal her cash and unfortunately I do not think Belinda will see anything bright in her future. Her plans will be left on the backburner which I say is unfortunate because she's a kind woc who is just trying to do her job and is clearly very skeptical about going into business with this strange, rich white, resort guest.
Honorable Mention
Lani: A Hawaiian native, trainee at the White Lotus. She shows up in episode one as her first day on the job. Later we find out she's also pregnant and goes into a premature labor on the job. She has her baby and disappears for the next three episode. Come back Lani, Armond has just started getting your name right!
Show Themes
The show does touch on conversations of race and class but I would not consider this a political show or one with an agenda (it's satire). I point out the characters of color here because their race becomes a device used to create tension but not in a Token POC kind of way. All the characters are rich and they are shamed for it by the show writers. By this I mean nobody is spitting in their faces and calling them Climate Killers but the choices the characters make, the things they say, and the way they act gives the viewer something to laugh at. Their ignorant entitlement juxtaposing with the beautiful Hawaiian beaches and tragic Hawaiian history creates an underlying experience of, look at these rich people not having a good time and they can't even realize why! As for the characters, there is plenty of time to sit back and question, is this character a good person, who's the real antagonist, how do these stories intertwine, who do we root for What story is attempting to be told here? What is the message!?
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bridgerton--the good, the bad, the ugly
The short of it: Bridgerton excellently captures the tone of Regency romance novels and offers a lot of escapism and great sex scenes, but could definitely use some serious work in terms of how it depicts race and it should have made some further alterations to the dated and flawed source material.  Definitely loved a lot of it and am hotly anticipating the second season, but I want to see more work done and I HOPE that this encourages the adaptation of better (and less inherently flawed) romance novels.
Now for the longer take.
The Good
Bridgerton depicted sex and romance in a way that is totally different from anything I’ve seen in period dramas, for sure, but possibly different from anything I’ve seen on TV.  The romance of it all was woven into almost every aspect of the show. There is the handsome and seemingly severe but extravagantly wealthy and sexually adept duke sweeping into town.  The (multiple) rakes who just want to have fun while also being hot messes.  The awakening of female sexuality and the copious use of the female gaze.  (Note the pretty modest and minimal focus on female nudity, while we get plenty of lingering shots on Simon.).  People want love!  There is pretty minimal violence and perhaps the most physically violent scene involves Simon beating a man up because HE IMPEACHED DAPHNE’S HONOR~.
The sex scenes themselves focused on Daphne’s pleasure for the most part, and were probably among the best I’ve seen since Outlander in terms of chemistry, in terms of the visuals, in terms of focus on sex as an act of emotional connection and FUN. Yes, there was some Unlikely Vaginal Orgasming, but we also saw Simon tell Daphne about masturbation.  On the wedding night, he was pretty clearly touching her to help her enjoy it.  He ate her out... a good bit.  
And aside from that, we got all of the grand speeches, the stolen glances and touches, an excellent buildup of sexual tension that led to some pretty hilarious moments.  
I also really enjoyed many of the performances on this show.  Rege-Jean and Phoebe had great chemistry and excellent back and forth.  Jonathan was a GREAT Anthony.  I would argue that as lackluster as I found his relationship with Siena (more on that in a minute) it largely existed as a way to set him up for his romance with Kate.  He now has even more of a reason to be down with love, as opposed to solely relying on a kind of flimsy tragic backstory.  Additionally, his overprotectiveness of Daphne added tension to the story and made him a source of comedic relief for me?  I loved it.  Give me disaster Anthony all day; can’t wait until he falls to the enemies to lovers trope just like Simon fell to his FLAW-FREE fake dating plan.
A lot of the changes I found were really good.  Obviously, it was important that the show incorporated greater diversity (though they need way more).  Benedict was INFINITELY more fun and interesting than he was in the novels, and acted as another standout for me.  As much as I hate Portia Featherington, I think that the elevation of her to a proper villainess is probably necessary and Polly Walker excels at those types of roles, though they need to maybe have her be less like, actively racist.  I adored the addition of Queen Charlotte; she was excellent comic relief.  Lady Danbury’s expanded role and relationship to Simon was one of the best moves they made.  It touched my entire soul.
Buuuut....
The Bad
The show needs to work on casting more men that are frankly on Rege-Jean’s level.  It feels a bit awkward to see a guy that is by most people’s standards kind of stunning and then.... Colin looks twelve.  Lord Philip is like... a farm guy.  Get rid of the sideburns, we’re in romance novel territory.
In the same note, the girl who played Siena wasn’t a great actress and wasn’t super stunning, so even though I’m fine with her being a placeholder....  Eh.  Go for better casting.  The woman playing Madame Delacroix would’ve played that role so much better and I really enjoyed her dynamic with Benedict because she was just fun.
Frankly, I don’t know what the fuck they’re going to do to make me want to watch Penelope and Colin fall in love.  Their book was already a bit basic--fun, but far from revolutionary.  I don’t really get why they would receive attention similar to that of Kate and Anthony, basically.  The issue is that Colin, again, looks and sound rather young and twerpy.  It obviously wasn’t great for him to be tricked into raising another man’s child, but.... For fuck’s sake, how much would that have affected his life on a practical level.  He’d never know unless he was told, thanks to the lack of DNA tests.  He was marrying far out of his league in terms of attractiveness.  He’s a rich white guy in England with a supportive family.  
I really disliked the fact that Colin told Marina in his huffy little tantrum that he would have married her anyway--because would you have, buddy?  Really?  The thing is that Marina had no way of knowing that and her entire life (and the reputations of her cousins) was on the line.  She didn’t know if she could trust Colin to keep her secret.  They barely knew each other.  He basically came off as a whiny child and I’m fine with him staying in Greece if that’s the plan.
Penelope was just... psychotic.  And that was really disappointing, because I love Nicola and would love to have loved to see the fat girl get her sexy love story.  But first off, lol, it wouldn’t have been sexy because Colin was miscast.  Second, she basically tried to destroy Marina’s life and that of her sisters?  And herself?  Because Colin?  Because Colin, a guy who hasn’t even shown any amount of attraction to her at this point?  Her tears, her whining, it was all too much.  Penelope was dealing with a crush and Marina was dealing with the real Grown Woman issues of a child out of wedlock and as it turned out a dead lover and they were not on equal footing.
I mean, Penelope could very well make a great villainess at this point, and if done well I’d embrace it.  But I do not know how the fuck they can make me interested in her love story.  And the idea of her basically being launched into villainy because she was this chubby white girl obsessively jealous of a beautiful black woman...... not a great look.
The show definitely needs to explore diversity in terms of sexuality too--I don’t think it’s correct to read Benedict as straight because he still seems to be open to exploring.  Once he has more screentime, I think he could totally end up being bisexual, and it’s possible that the writers were trying to feel the audience out in terms of their receptiveness to taking a straight character who has a big straight love story in the books and making him LGBT+.  Eloise could also easily be a lesbian, and I’d be thrilled to see that happen.  They need to do something to expand the world, and if there are 8 Bridgerton kids, all of them being straight as an arrow seems SO unlikely.
The Ugly
Obviously, the rape scene was bad and should have been written out.  Simon could have gotten caught up in the moment and blown up at Daphne after he accidentally didn’t pull out in time.  Men.... accidentally don’t pull out in time... a lot.  That’s how babies happen.  It would’ve been believable, and due to our sympathies being with Simon largely, I don’t think he would have become irredeemable if he was more at fault than Daphne.  
As it was, I will say that the scene was somewhat better than it played in the books because Simon was conscious and totally sober, and it was a bit?  Confusing?  That he didn’t just roll Daphne over and pull out?  Because she wasn’t really clearly trying as hard as she was in the book to wrap her legs around him and hold him tight.  But it remained a rape scene.  The show also did a better job, I think, of establishing how fucked up it was that Simon took advantage of Daphne’s lack of knowledge.  Whatever he said about thinking she knew what was up--he knew she didn’t even know about masturbation.  He had to know she wouldn’t understand what pulling out meant.  He did very clearly mislead her to think that he was sterile and therefore denied Daphne her ability to give informed consent.  Did that justify what Daphne did?  Nope.  Two wrongs don’t make a right.  But both of them did a fucked up thing and I think that we honestly could’ve stopped at Simon’s misleading.
The issue too is that this leads into a bigger problem the show had.  It wanted to include diversity (yay!) but did not consider the total implications of what was happening (not yay).  Daphne and Simon’s dynamic is inevitably influenced by the fact that she’s a white woman and he’s a black man, regardless of whatever handwaves happened.  This influences the sexual assault and makes it even more messy.
Speaking of mess, I’m not sure what exactly would have fixed the “we don’t want this to be a colorblind casting” issue... but the explanation they came up with wasn’t good.  Never mind that this makes everything SUPER confusing (racism is over like..... maybe 50 years MAX after Queen Charlotte’s marriage if we assume she was a teen when she married and is in her 60s now?) but Lady Danbury’s dialogue explaining this was HORRENDOUS.  “One of them fell in love with one of us”.  The implications are awful.  I don’t know if perhaps setting back the integration of society centuries earlier would have helped?  But this wasn’t it.
Additionally, the writers and casting directors didn’t seem to get that diversity is all well and good, but what about the fact that almost every black character has a light skin tone?  Why are there so few black female characters?  Why is Marina, the most prominent woc on the show, given the “pregnant and desperately trying to trick a man into marrying her until her jealous white cousin fucks her life up and she is humiliated into settling for a loveless match” plot?  I desperately hope we see her next season, falling in love with Sir Phillip or perhaps having experienced a plot twist that gives her someone else...  And she better not die. Eloise can find someone else if Marina really ends up with Sir Philip.
Ultimately, again, I really loved the show.  But it needs to work on some things.  I think that a lot of its issues can be addressed and fixed in a future season, and I HOPE they do that.
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My thoughts on Immortal Heart Society
DISCLAIMER: These are my OPINIONS. I do not claim any of this as fact, you are allowed to disagree with me. (Spoilers for Cassius and Alanna season 1)
First impressions for this series could have been better. There are plenty of problems with this series so far that I will address, but for now, let’s focus on the positives.
The writing is beautiful. As an avid reader and writer, one of my biggest pet peeves is lazy and unimaginative writing. IHS had some incredibly written lines, and I was immediately hooked even if I hated the love interests.
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The plot is interesting. While the pacing is a bit off at times, I found the concept of a corrupt secret society intriguing, and the mysteries surrounding the father was enough to get me invested.
The Inner Circle is (mostly) likable. I’m a sucker for found family, and my favorite series on this app (EAA, QoT, GIL, etc.) will usually have plenty of group banter, and the Inner Circle is no exception. One of my favorite scenes in Alanna’s route was in Richard’s office when everyone realized Alanna and FMC were exes.
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Kiran. No further explanation. Lovestruck let me date her please.
For the most part, IHS seems like a promising series. But of course, when you have plenty of amazing side characters who would make wonderful LIs, you decide to premiere your series with the arrogant asshole and the compulsive liar.
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Cassius Tarkhan
I should probably begin by saying I’m usually not a fan of the “rude, snarky, arrogant” LIs and read Cassius’s route solely because I was excited for the new series. So please take what you’re about to read with a grain of salt, since I am probably extremely biased against him.
This is a direct quote from me reading Cassius’s first few episodes: “I want to punch this man in his stupid fucking face.” I said this out loud, which should give you an indication of what’s to come.
As far as first meetings go, Cassius was probably one of the worst. At first it was all “fun banter oh look at the chemistry” until he sees the invitation and becomes the most insufferable pricks I have ever seen. (I’m sorry, but was that supposed to be romantic?! If I were in FMC’s position, I would be terrified!)
Most of the season went by with Cassius being infuriating and not telling FMC anything, and me questioning if I was actually supposed to like the guy I was supposed to be romancing. The villain dude (I don’t care enough about him to try to remember his name) was boring and creepy. I also had a strong desire to punch him in the face, but I’ll settle for him turning to stone.
It wasn’t until the season finale that I actually started to like Cassius. He started to open up more to FMC, he showed vulnerability, and was generally more tolerable. Hopefully we’ll be able to see more of this Cassius in later seasons, because I believe that it might save his route and maybe I won’t want to punch him in the face as badly.
As for the ending, I’ve read the final episode multiple times and I’m still not exactly sure what happened in that final scene. Cassius tells FMC that he won’t let her meet with the Society on her own and then... is he about to kiss her? This is a genuine question I’m asking I honestly couldn’t tell. It seemed like he was going to but it was very unclear to me.
If I was going to rate this season as a whole, I’d give it a 3 out of 10. Hope to see better next season, because he does have the potential to be better, but that wasn’t shown until the end of the season.
Alanna McKenna
At first, I liked Alanna’s route. I was excited about have an LI who was an ex, she was attractive (except for that weird smirk expression what was that???), she was funny, and I’ve already talked about how much I love the writing.
Then the lying started. I’ve had the misfortune of dealing with my family, many of which are narcissistic pathological liars, so I consider myself pretty decent at figuring out patterns in their behavior. And Alanna fits them to a T.
Please note that I am in no way educated on this topic and do not have the authority to state anything as fact. I am making observations based on personal experience dealing with people like this, and I encourage you to view Alanna’s behavior for yourself and come up with your own conclusions.
My first red flag was the emotional manipulation. Near the beginning, this was in the form of flattery. If FMC started asking questions, Alanna would flirt with her, which would cause FMC to either become flustered or flirt back, both outcomes momentarily distracting her from the original topic.
To FMC’s credit, she does notice when Alanna starts deflecting (she mentions recognizing certain behaviors from when they were together), but she backs down. As someone who hates confrontation, I can understand FMC’s reasoning for this. I find trying to communicate certain issues with these people exhausting. It tends to feel like speaking to a broken record, and can become emotionally draining. However, this is the exact outcome that these people want. They hate being called out on their lies, and when pushed further (in my experience), they tend to result to guilt tripping.
The flirting I could ignore. When I first read it, I thought that was just her personality (which is partially true). But then FMC stood her ground more, and Alanna fell apart. She started crying, talking about how much pressure she was under, making up excuses (a prime example of this was her saying that she thought ghosting FMC would make it easier, which I’ll touch on later), and causing FMC to doubt her (valid) reasons for being angry with Alanna.
I feel like it’s also necessary to talk about Alanna interacting with the other society members. FMC was noticeably uncomfortable with how genuine Alanna seemed to be, and I understand the feeling of betrayal of thinking you know a person, only to see them act like a complete stranger at the drop of a hat. The mental turmoil of wondering which version of this person is the real them, and whether your entire relationship was all a lie.
That part was way longer than I expected, so let’s talk about the “villain”. I’m glad that Arabella isn’t the big bad even if she tried to kill FMC, because she seems like such a genuine person and I’m tired of season WOC be villainized in visual novels (I’m not naming names but you know what apps I’m talking about Choices). I hope that FMC and Alanna will be able to help her and her sister, and that Arabella will get a redemption arc in the future and maybe a route.
The cliffhanger was actually sort of unexpected. FMC finally called Alanna out on her bs (GOOD👏FOR👏HER👏) and tried to leave the Society. Lowkey kind of scared to see how they follow this up in season 2, because it seems like they’re ready to murder FMC.
If we ignore the LIs themselves, I did prefer Alanna’s route to Cassius’s. I feel like we got to see more of the other characters, and I thought the pacing was better. But I don’t like either of them. As I’ve said Cassius seems like he’s improving, but Alanna? Nope. I’m staying for the plot and Arabella, but I’m more than willing to drop her route if this pattern continues (especially if I decide it’s too triggering for me, my mental health is more important).
Rating: 2/10
Final thoughts
As I stated previously, while IHS’s initial premiere wasn’t the best, I believe this series has the potential to be good. My main issues are with the pacing, and above all, the LIs (which isn’t good for a visual novel story centered around romancing the LIs).
Overall rating: 3/10
This is my first time doing something like this so any feedback would be very appreciated. Feel free to offer any criticisms, and let me know if I should make a series out of this! (This did take me a while so if I decide to continue doing this it might not be posted until a day or two later)
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can i say a sort of pointless rambly thing i was thinking about that i can't put under the cut bc i'm on mobile?
jk, i'm not actually asking. ramble below, not edited for clarity. the following is completely unclear and i will not fix it:
i've been thinking about how part of the reason i'm so chill about caryl is bc growing up as a queer woc 99% of my main ships were like, never gonna fucking happen bc they literally couldn't. it was like, "omg, they gazed at each other from across the room, let's analyze the homosexual subtext of this one scene for the next fifty years, that's not necessarily hyperbole." i've watched all my ships fuck other ppl/have other love interests, and i knew that my thing was never gonna be canon, so to see like, one thing being like, "one half of my ship fucked another person several years ago while pining for the other half of my ship," i'm like...#nice, bc that can and likely will be used as a plot point to get them together later on, whereas in other situations i've been in i just kinda had to deal with it. so my impulse when i see ppl losing their shit is to be like
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and to be slightly annoyed, tbh, bc the ship is still on track to be canon, and it's like, literally two white heterosexuals, they're prime candidates for juicy angsty pining that actually gets a resolution.
but!
that being said, i recognize that that attitude isn't necessarily fair. for one thing, i'm not the only queer woc (or some variation thereof) in this fandom, and some ppl's impulse might be exasperation instead, bc like, "wtf, even my mayohet ship has dumb fucking drama," and that's valid as hell, and i get it.
and also, i get that, even if you didn't grow up shipping impossible ships (or mulder/scully, bc that's a brand of bullshit all its own), this has been a suuuuper drawn out process where sometimes it feels like they're legit sprinkling crumbs to keep you hooked, just to play you again, and when you are invested in something, like /rly/ invested, especially if it's a form of escapism or hyperfixation or whatever, that can be e x h a u s t i n g. and i get that. i truly do, and while i make a lot of snide comments about the fandom being bonkers, i do get where the bulk of you are coming from (unless you're one of those ppl who hate on actors and esp actresses for just doing their jobs, and attack them on social media, in which case i am very much judging you and you need to get your life together).
i also realize that in the scheme of things i'm still a newbie. i've been here, what, twoish/threeish years, whereas some of you have been here since the beginning, so i'm not as worn out as y'all. but i also think that gives me a bit of objectivity that some of y'all have (understandably) lost.
my positivity is not meant as a sleight against those of you who are feeling negative, but is more of a semi-objective viewpoint (i say semi, bc lbr, i'm invested af in this, so i definitely have bias), and to me the threads of the storyline they're crafting seem sort of obvious.
like, let's look at it, yeah? they have one season left of this show that has been on for over a decade. they need to cater to everyone to give them a satisfying ending, while still hanging on to carylers bc of the spin-off. darylrreah seems like a very calculated move, bc it gives them both something to make abcers happy, while also creating tension and suspense and pining for carylers (i think they might underestimate just how fed up some carylers are tbh, and are banking on us to hang on for one last ride, which, honestly? if they play it right will probably work.)
if they end up doing a dumb love triangle thing, which, without seeing the episode and gauging the subtext i can't confidently say if i think they will or won't, it will ultimately end in our favor. it has to, bc leah isn't going to third wheel them on the bike in the spin-off. we can say with good authority that whatever that relationship ends up being (again, idk if they'll drag it out or not) it will be temporary. which leaves caryl open to ride off into the sunset and then bone down in every state in the united states and in puerto rico for good measure.
it's a lot of cheap drama, but i really and truly do not think it's anything to worry about, and i still really and truly trust kang to not make it out of character. ik ppl still don't agree with me on that point, and i'm not gonna argue, but to me it really does make perfect sense.
and i also predict that they are gonna play it up hardcore in the promotional shit and talking dead, but when that happens, remember it's bc it gets attention. regardless of where the story is ultimately going, relationship drama gets attention, which gets viewers, which gets amc and twd producers nice and comfy with full pockets
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idk. to sum up ig i just wanted to clarify that i don't mean any harm with my relentless positivity. my history in fandom has just made this seem like nothing in comparison, bc while ppl are freaking out, i'm like, "oh damn, they're actually gonna get together by the end of this, aren't they? i didn't know that could happen!" and that makes me excited instead of upset
and you definitely don't have to listen to me. maybe i'm actually wrong. maybe i'm completely full of bullshit and am just good at making things sound confident. i got a lot of As on papers in college over books i never read, i know how to bs. but i also know how to analyze, and i while i will be the first to tell you i am not the best at a great many things, i do know that i am good at critically analyzing text while taking into account the context it was written in, and imho all signs point to canon caryl. when, i'm not entirely sure, but i see it happening. if it doesn't then they severely fucked up their storytelling, and that'd just be bad writing on their part.
(if you want proof that i'm good at reading writers'/producers' intentions, consider that i watched like, 8 seasons of supernatural before giving up, and said to myself, "i think they're gonna make destiel canon, but not until the very last second bc they are rly into catering to their fans but also have to consider their dumb fanboy audience so they can't do anything crazy overtly gay," and guess who hit the nail on the fucking head on that one)
none of this is important, but it was rattling around my mind grapes and i wanted to write it down into something vaguely coherent, and where else better to do it than here. i can word vomit and then send it into the ether and pretend i never said a thing. i love this horrible website, nothing can compare
i have no real conclusion to this, it was mostly stream of consciousness, but i hope it sort of helps y'all understand where i'm coming from, and why i am as chill as i am about things. not about y'all. y'all cause me so much anxiety i get physically sick and have to legit block tags, but with the actual show content i'm zen as hell
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the end ig?
it feels weird even signing off on this, but w/e
-diz
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about families: you are so right about there being few healthy families in the books but considering blended families and the aspect of race in the show it gets even more dicey. first with simon's dad, who is one of the worst people ever. the fuck up with the sharmas. if sophie is played by a woc as a lot of people want.. that needs to be handled more sensitively than i think these writers are capable of. if the best happy family relationship is the white upper class wealthy bridgerton nuclear family while all the families with poc are toxic, that's not good
There's a huge colorism problem in Bridgerton and I'm actually really upset that it isn't being talked about as much this season as it was last season?
Like for as much as CVD and Shonda pride themselves on creating a "color conscious" show (whatever the fuck that means) the way they write the characters of color really showcases the amount of misogyny/misogynoir and internalized prejudice these writers hold.
Making Simon's mom and dad darker skinned was a conscious choice, especially since RJP was light skinned. Turning Marina into a tragic mulatto/jezebel stereotype instead of leaning into her history as a cousin of the Bridgertons NOT the Featheringtons was a conscious choice.
CVD and Shonda really had the chance to show the Sheffield/Sharma family as one on par with the Bridgertons in terms of love and happiness and they fucked up on so many levels. Especially when you look at it through a lens of colorism. Mary is half-white, Edwina is 1/4 white, Kate is full-blooded Indian and making their relationship toxic was a conscious choice. Making Mary and Edwina a united front against Kate in the wedding episode was a conscious choice.
CVD likes to talk about subverting expectations but nothing he's done so far shows that. You know what would've been subversive? Showing the Sheffield's as accepting of a granddaughter who wasn't blood related to them. Showing a family who was loving and happy and nuclear while also coming from two different worlds and an unconventional family unit.
Kate's father was a secretary to the ROYAL FAMILY OF INDIA. By all accounts, the Sheffield's should be happy with the match. It added unnecessary drama (can you tell I hate what he did with Kate's family?) and added AGAIN to the colorism problem.
And even if they make all the future love interests that haven't been cast yet POC, we have to remember their family units. Lucy's uncle is an ASS, Gareth's father sucks, the only other non-toxic family unit we have left is the Stirlings and I do not trust them to do justice to John, Michael, Janet, and Helen.
You're completely right and this needs to be fucking addressed because it's becoming a real problem and an awful precedent is being set.
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people on this site are constantly complaing about how characters always look too pretty, showing too much skin or having technicolor eyes or whatever, and you get these characters that actually like real women and not supermodels and the fandoms like, this is bad actually? i think you guys dont even know what you want honestly. also the original winx cartoon already lightskinned the few brown girls they had lol.
Really?
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[ID: a picture of the original winx club cartoon. There’s six girls, all of them are wearing their fairy transformation outfits. On the top left we have Aisha/Layla. She’s standing with her arms crossed and a smile on her face. Her eyes are brown, her skin is dark, and her hair is auburny brown and curly. On her right we have Tecna, who’s body is facing the viewer, one hand placed on her hip, and her face is angled to the right, showing her face in profile. She has light skin, hot pink short hair, and has green eyes. Next to her we have Bloom. She’s doing the typical magical girl pose, with one leg in the air and her hands extended. She has blue eyes, wavy ginger hair, and light skin. Then we have Flora. Her legs are posed in X position (knees facing inward) with her arms to her side. Her skin is dark, but lighter than Aisha’s, and she has light brown hair with blonde e-girl bangs, and has green eyes. Below Aisha we have Musa, who’s sitting with her back to the viewer, looking at us over her shoulder. She has light skin, her eyes are smaller than any of the other girls and are very dark, you can barely see her pupils. She has jetblack hair styled in two high pigtails. She’s also wearing headphones. Stella is next to Musa, facing the viewer. She’s sitting, supporting herself with her arms. She has a slightly tanned light skin, amber colored eyes, and blonde hair styled in low and long pigtails. She’s also wearing a blue diadem. End ID]
Your first point, on how they look too pretty: it’s... a cartoon... aimed at little girls... idk about you but when I was a little girl I didn’t like to watch “ugly” looking cartoons. Even the villains and teachers in this cartoon were pretty. Even the old headmistress of alfea was pretty, she didn’t have a single wrinkle. Another reason for them being “too pretty” is because their designs were based off of real celebs who were popular at the time or are still popular. Flora is designed after Jennifer Lopez, Tecna after Pink, Musa after Lucy Lui etc. Are their bodies unrealistically thin? Yes, they very much are, and they’re not diverse at all. That’s the one issue I had with the original cartoon.
Then you say they show too much skin: uhh, I don’t know if you’re aware but this show was made in the early 2000’s, aka the era of crop tops, low rise jeans, booty shorts, short skirts, etc. Celebs wore this stuff on red carpets. These are supposed to be fashion foreward 16yr old girls. You’re not gonna tell me you’ve never seen a 16yr old in a crop top are you? Also, let women wear what they want? They don’t exist for you to gawk at them like they’re a walking exhibition? Why are you sexualising 16yr olds?
There’s only 6 main characters and three of them are woc. Aisha is black, Flora is brown and latina, Musa is east asian. Their character design shows this very clearly, with Musa’s eyes being small and dark and her hair also being dark, Aisha’s skin being dark and her lips fuller than the others, and her hair being curly. Flora’s skin is also darker, albeit not darker than Aisha’s. Her latina coding came from episodes where her parents and culture was featured. Flora is the only character of color with light hair and light eyes. Musa is the only character of color with very light skin, but that’s not unrealistic.
Netflix on the other hand, completely erased Tecna, who had short hair and who’s interests were very tech related. They whitewashed both Musa and Flora and renamed Flora Terra. The only diversity left is Aisha, who thank fuck is still a black girl, and then Terra, who’s a plus size girl. I’ve said this before, I love plus size representation since I’m considered plus size, but NEVER at the expense of brown women.
Idk if you’ve noticed but I NEVER spoke on these actresses’s looks, I never once called them ugly, it’s literally NOT the reason I’m upset at this live action. I’m upset bc Netflix whitewashed two out of three woc, erased the one character with interests that are considered “masculine” (by society), and decided to dress these girls the way I dressed when I was 12. I’m not upset with the actresses at all, I’m upset with netflix, the show’s writers, the casting director and the costume designer.
The way you just spoke to me clearly shows you didn’t even READ my post complaining about this show. You’re clearly just trying to find away to DEFEND netflix’s erasure and it’s ugly.
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Anthony, Penelope, Marina and Colin deserved better...
Beware, rant ahead
Ok I wish I didn’t feel such strong need to continue beating this dead horse but oopsie, I will very much be beating it some more.
Like, my fave books of the Bridgerton series are Anthony’s and Colin’s books, so I’m seething about what they did with their characterizations, Anthony and Penelope in particular, because Colin’s only real sin was being boring, and if you remember how funny he’s in the books it makes me wanna fall on my knees and ask Chris Van Dusen whyyyy omg why would you do something like that to such a dynamic character. So yeah, Colin is boring af and a moron but at least he isn’t an asshole the way show Anthony and Penelope are, and I’ve seen people say that they can always be redeemed in future seasons, if we get them, but that’s exactly my problem, because they never had to be redeemed in the books, to begin with. Penelope more so than Anthony but let me begin by defending my boy.
Is he a jerk sometimes? Sure. Is he actively awful and uncaring towards those close to him, especially his family? Hell no, quite the opposite, in fact. Not to be controversial on main but in the books... he was right in not wanting Daphne to be courted by a man who he knew damn right had no intention of marrying her and as far as he was aware was only making her waste her time, and he was right in demanding Simon pay for compromising her honor. Could he have been more mindful of what Daphne had to say and listened to her wishes? Of course, but considering Simon and Daphne (both in the show and in the books) aren’t exactly masters in communication themselves, Anthony doesn’t come off as the biggest offender in that situation.
What he never did was force Daphne, or any of his sisters really, to do anything; if they didn’t like a guy then that guy was out of their lives no question asked, and he loved them enough to always have their best interests at heart, for his sisters and his brothers, to the point that even though he’s traumatized and thinks he’s gonna die young he’s still willing to get past that to do his duty and marry, because he doesn’t want to pass that burden on to his little brothers (so him deciding to leave all his responsibilities to Benedict so he can fck off with his mistress is... like, a choice lmao). In fact all the subplot with Siena felt like a choice on the writers part, like they truly liked Benedict and Sophie’s story so they just slapped it on Anthony so he could act all sad and sexy while they gave us foreshadowing with the subtlety of a warharmer that he’s ending up with Kate anyways (and that Benedict is ending with Sophie anyways too, so they would be using that storyline twice, unless they do make him bi and fall in love with a man, but maybe that’s too much of ask for this show), so what was Siena’s purpose in the story? Who tf knows not me.
Now Penelope, my god. Yes I know I joke Penny has never done anything wrong in her life, and I still love her, but she was wrong. Very much so. What she did was significantly worse than what Marina did, which I still don’t condone at all. Like yes, I still maintain that Marina tricking Colin into marriage was wrong (and I’ll go later on why that whole subplot was racist af), but what Penelope did could have not only ruined Marina and herself and her sisters reputations, but it was basically condemning an innocent unborn child to a life in the streets, that’s messed up. Even if Marina was rose-coloring her potential life with Colin and he might have grown to resent her, at least the baby would’ve been alright. And my problem with that whole subplot is that all of it was resolved so neatly, with Sir Phillip sweeping in to save the day so we don’t have to actually see what Penelope’s actions could have caused, but the implications are still very much there.
And I’m cracking my mind trying to figure out whether the showrunners just... really hate Colin’s book and Penelope as a character so they’re trying to inflict some kind of character assassination on her so they can get away with writing him off with another person without causing much outrage, or if they just thought there wasn’t enough ~drama~ or stakes on their book so they have to add them, and give him some kind of bullshit tragic romantic past to explain why he doesn’t want to marry, whereas in the books, the reason he doesn’t marry anyone is because he doesn’t feel like it, and that’s ok, there’s no need for every character to have a tragic backstory and to be riddled with angst; Colin is that character, he’s an easy going guy who’s just not interested in marriage until he falls in love with Penny AND THAT’S VALID, just because he doesn’t have the most complex motivations out there doesn’t mean he isn’t a compelling character. The stakes in his story after he discovers Penny is Whistledown are, as he points out, that she has insulted so many people there’s no way some of them wouldn’t want to retaliate if word came out, and he cares for her and doesn’t want her to get hurt (there’s also a dumb part about him being secretly jealous of her accomplishments as Whistledown, but thankfully he gets over that pretty quickly).
But while I am on that, it is true that Penelope wrote some uncharitable things about the mean people around her, but she never ever ruined someone’s reputation, let alone endanger the future of a child. Was she a bitch sometimes? Yeah, but she was also kind to a lot of people and her criticism was never unwarranted and never did more damage than maybe annoy a couple of girls like Cressida. I just hate the idea of this needing to turn into some sort of ~redemption arc~ for Penelope because, again, in the books she really didn’t have to make up for anything, definitely not to Colin, who was actually the one who had to do much of the heavy lifting in their relationship when he realized that he literally slept on her for years.
And now regarding Marina, like yes, she was wrong and I stand by that statement (but not as wrong as Penelope), but tbh I find it hard to be mad at her when they gave her such a racist storyline, as the scheming woc who gets pregnant out of wedlock and then tries to seduce the innocent white man, until the virtuous white girl needs to step up to save him. At least that’s what I thought initially as the writers intention, but honestly I’m not so sure anymore, I doubt they will continue to write her and Colin as a couple otherwise they would’ve bothered to show them interacting outside of her manipulating him and him acting like a bumbling idiot, the most sincere moment they had together was when he comforted her about the lie, but by that time this bitch (me) was empty and didn’t give a shit anymore. Literally all their other interactions where shown through Penelope’s POV to let us know she was sad, and Colin’s most significant scenes where again... with Penelope (because it isn’t as if he has a family and his own moments in the books outside of being an object for Penelope to pine after).
And as I said before, Marina had a—relatively—happy ending: married to a man she doesn’t love (just as she didn’t love Colin) but who will treat her right and care for her and her child in comfort. Is arguably a better ending than if she’d married Colin because now she doesn’t have to go through the trouble of explaining things to her new husband and run the risk of him resenting her forever. Phillip may not love her but he knows who he’s marrying and why he’s marrying her. That’s literally the same fate Marina had in the books, and it makes me wonder why, oh why would the writers do that.
Why create such a contrived plot to give a character who appears in one(1) chapter of an 8 books series then promptly dies, all at the expense of the characterization of one of the most beloved heroines of said books series? Why would you write this racist storyline for a character whose fate is dying? And now I’m horrified at the repercussions that can come with Marina committing su*cide like in canon, because the implications would be that Penelope would be responsible for it (and I hate the idea of blaming one person for the su*cide of another, fictional or otherwise, is harmful and we need to be careful with making such implications), which would make her even less redeemable or like, likable in general. Not to mention that would be like putting the final racist nail in Marina’s coffin by giving her that ending.
It makes me wonder, seriously, if Chris Van Dusen hated Romancing Mister Bridgerton that much, if he loathed the idea of writing a fat character finding love and getting sex that much. I just wanna know why lmfao.
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Ignorant Marvel stans: you exist and you're into Marvel so you must be white and American
You, a non-American: no
Me, a mixed race European: no
Seriously, the amount of times Marvel fans come after other fans saying they must be white, American and straight is baffling. Once saw a fan get mad because someone else didn't like Stucky, and they were like "well queer people want this you don't get that" and that other person said "honey I AM queer".
And especially with Tony Stark, please freak out about this with me, but some white woman accused a black queer woman of being racist and homophobic because...... drum roll.... the woc said making Stark black is racist. It's out of this world
And the fact there are TWO tags for "black tonky" is..... not okay
Rhodey be ignored and then they make Stank black please how is this real. "It'S nOt aBoUt rAce" they say, and then they attack actual black people who call them out on making white characters black. The worst thing is that they're trying to benefit from making white black. They're using racism as a weapon to excuse a WHITE war profiteer like---
Lol yeah this thing where only Americans can like Cap becuase he's wrapped in the US flag is absurd. Isn't he like, super popular in Asia as well? My internet friends LOVE Steve and nobody is American in that chat. Goes to show they did a very good job in the first movie, where they made Steve's motivation to go to war a desire to defend, rather than destroy or protect 'Murica.
Like, I find Tony, for example, much more US-centric, because more than once his motivation for stopping and considering his actions is the death of an American soldier (IM1 and even CACW).
That being said, I would never assume only wasp-y Americans like Tony Stark, because lol, it ain't true. Tumblr needs to understand that fractions of fandoms aren't a monolith. (LOL @ people thinking that queer fans want Stucky to be canon en masse. That's... not how it works).
Anyway, ever since I saw people thinking that "Tony Stark is female-coded", nothing surprises me anymore, lol
Youch, that's a hot issue, anon. I've seen people happily racebending characters from white to other races and it being appreciated (and created) by non white fans, but I think it's a matter of intent. Re-imagining straight white male characters as something different can be fun and interesting because it can spur on a conversation of 'how much would their story have differed had they been something other than a white male'. But if it's used as a woke card, or as a way to shield oneself from criticism, it does more harm than good, I feel. Especially if existing non-white characters regularly get ignored and judged as not that interesting by those same fans.
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remythologise · 3 years
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(Apologies for this ask being so disorganized) Not sure if this take is controversial but I really hate how Supernatural puts humans/humanity as being the ideal and never challenges it (and when you look at how there's a historical foundation to view monsters and non-humans through the lens of race, it's so problematic because they really are putting whiteness on a pedestal). They spent so much time saying Heaven and angels are wrong for making judgment on where humans go when they die despite not understanding humanity but are all like hunters are allowed to decide whether monsters/non-humans get to live or die despite not understanding them. And like I know the reason why they never challenge this is because they view Dean as the embodiment of what is means to be human and Dean can apparently never be wrong (even though he is flawed and there are times when he very much is in the wrong). I really do love Dean but as a WOC it's so hard sometimes to watch how Dean views those who are Othered and why it's so hard to not roll my eyes when they villianized Gordon. When you take the whole show into context, Gordon was basically like "if you are considered an Other, you are evil and must be exterminated, no exceptions" while Dean is like "if you're an Other, you are evil but if you're useful and help me, then I'll spare you"(and you can see this in how Dean treats Cas, Kevin, Jack, Benny, Kaia, etc). And the worst part is he never really gets called out for it (like in the beginning, it was very much just he (and Sam too) using Cas as a tool to solve their problems and not really treating him like a person and then instead of calling them out for this, they just extend this behaviour to other characters). Ideally, once the Winchesters started allying with the Supernatural, the show should have moved towards having more of a nuanced view on the Others but instead they were all like, the Supernatural are all evil except for the few that aren't and that's because they are "one of the good ones" but then again maybe I'm excepting too much from a show which has the tagline (catchphrase?) "Saving people, hunting things"-like they are basically telling us what they think about those who are Othered
I think you’ve nailed it exactly on the head anon. The attitude towards monsters is SO inconsistent, and it makes them seem really callous ESPECIALLY with how Cas and Jack are removed from the narrative at the end and proof of the whole ‘if you’re useful I’ll spare you (until you’re used)’. It’s shown time and time again that monsters can change, can be good, but the Winchesters so often blindly murder even when there isn’t PROOF their victims (yes, victims) are dangerous - off the top of my head in season 15, 15.10 The Heroes’ Journey where they slaughter all of the monsters in the warehouse when it’s VERY likely most of them are just there trying to get money to survive, and 15.14 Last Holiday where they just walk in on vampires (drinking from blood bags!!!) and start killing them... because they spotted them on a map. Uncomfortable Implications! There’s obviously a total lack of consistency on the writing team but this issue seems EVEN MORE CENTRAL to the show ethos than, say, Destiel or John Winchester Narrative... I do genuinely think it’s just the carelessness of privileged writers. Like, THE WITCHER does a good job of this! It’s not hard! They always imply that monsters can be good or bad, and PEOPLE are very often the real monsters. SPN is way more interesting when it’s grappling with the moral grey area of the Winchester’s choices (1.12 Faith!!). And the fact that Dean is always shown as In The Right (except, as someone else mentioned on a text post somewhere, when he’s fully ‘evil’ and killing genuinely awful human people due to Mark of Cain. Which, lol.) EVEN when he should be in the wrong! just makes the whole thing jarring. Sometimes really uncomfortable! Like I like shows to challenge my views but not when the message is ‘non-conforming individuals in American society should be eliminated’. Of course there are rare moments where Dean (or John) are called out by better writers but they are fairly few and far between, and the lack of resolution at the end of the show (most glaringly on how Dean treated Jack...) is just. Case closed, Jack and Cas were Things, and only humans were People. 
Also I find it interesting that Supernatural so rarely went with monsters as ‘metaphors’ if that makes sense. The best ‘monsters’ in the horror genre in my opinion are those which reflect societal issues (Get Out) or reveal internal fears of the characters (2.20 What Is And What Should Never Be). But I think the show really lost most of that idea as it went on. And when the Winchesters are killing a lot of generic vampires/ghosts/werewolves. And when we KNOW vampires/ghosts/werewolves that are good (Benny, Kevin, Garth for example), it’s even more jarring that those were the ‘things’ being hunted. I don’t know, I just think Supernatural wanted to be a horror show but was SO bad at it on both a technical level and a theoretical level because it was SO basic most of the time. And instead of shifting the genre, the tone, the message... it stuck stubbornly to the same messaging it had in the Bush era* of ‘us vs. them’ and refused to realise the kind of story it could (AND SHOULD) be telling. (*although honestly Kripke era was actually more careful and consistent on this issue!)
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The Boys: Season 2 Thoughts
I had to wait eight weeks (though I’ve been checking out the tags and reposting gif sets), but I was finally able to sit down and binge season two of The Boys. I have to be honest: I’m not sure I loved - or even liked - the directions they went with certain characters/stories. However, it was a solid season and it felt like the closing on an arc in a comic. It felt complete enough that we could end there - at least for a year or so - and still have plenty to come back to in 2022/2023.
Spoilers for Season Two Follow!
The Seven:
-I have to start with Stormfront. I have never read the comics, but I have read the Wikipedia, so I went in knowing that - despite the changes - Stormfront is a Nazi in the comics. And, she was a Nazi in the show. She (smartly) changed with the times - building social media followers, playing on the weakness of others, using an ‘us vs. them’ story for almost everything. She was savvy. I’m 100% sure she was using Homelander and that her plan was to use Ryan and all her lab!Supes to form a new Nazi party. When Maeve (a bi woman), Kimiko (a WOC), and Annie (a woman whose assault she mocked) ganged up to beat the shit out of her? Poetic Justice. Only made better by the fact that it was Ryan, her “White Savior” who basically destroyed her. (I don’t want to say kill, because I think she could be alive.) The only thing that would have made it better is if someone in that group was Jewish. (Side note: The fact that Aya Cash is Jewish, but played such a convincing Nazi - that speaks to her talent.)
-We can’t talk about Stormfront without bringing in Homelander. We know he craves love above all else. He wants to be worshipped. He feels he deserves it. In many ways he is a spoiled child. Stormfront played him like a fiddle, in my opinion. Do I think he cared for Ryan? Uh, only because Ryan is his son and appears to have his powers - Ryan is someone he could have molded to be a Homelander 2.0. But, I don’t think Homelander is capable of real - selfless - love. I just don’t. 
- I can be totally honest. . . as much as I love Antony Starr and Aya Cash - there was just way too much Homelander and Stormfront this season. I understand why their stories took up so much screen time, but I didn’t care for their characters and I actually am starting to find Homelander a little one note. He wants to be loved and will do anything to be loved. He also feels that he can do anything he wants. Again, he’s a child. I feel they will need to do something fresh with him in season three or give him less screen time to keep him from getting stale.  
-Let me briefly touch on  the Church of the Collective. I suppose, in the end, it was a season-long set up to explain how the Boys got the Nazi information on Stormfront. Though, woman is keeping her memorable and photos in her room...so, it didn’t really seem like she was trying super hard to hide her past. I thought they might be being set up to be some kind of major player in season three - they do have dirt on Supes and they work with Vought International  and the government - but,  Alastair Adana is dead and the Deep is there. . .so, unless the plan is for the Deep to take over the church...? 
-Speaking of The Deep, in my overview/review of last season, I mentioned that the show could either try to redeem him or have him go fully dark. And, the show surprised me by having him go in-between. Like, he still knows he’s a screwup and he still wants back in The Seven. He’ll do anything to get back in. However, I don’t seem him redeemed in any major way nor do I think he’s intelligent enough to be considered a dark character. Guy is just a mess. I have to be honest - I do wonder if the writers know what to do with the character. 
-A-Train may have only helped Annie and Hughie for selfish reasons, but he still helped. . . so, okay. I’ll give it a bit of a pass. As he said: Hugh saved him in season 1 and he gave them information in season 2 - they are even and it goes back to square one. They aren’t enemies, but they aren’t friends. I liked A-Train more during this season, but he really wasn’t given too much to do. 
- Maeve got more screen time! Her relationship with Elena was explored! She, as a person, was explored!  I understand that she isn’t going to suddenly become a true hero. She’s become too jaded for that. However, she will still try and do the right thing and I love that about her. 
-I really grew to love Annie this season. That is all. I still am not a huge shipper of Annie/Hugh, but they are very sweet together. 
- Lamplighter should not have been killed off so soon. I would have liked to his his guilt and his character explored more. 
-This truly was the season of The Seven with Homelander, Stormfront, Maeve, and Annie being moved to the front of the storylines. I liked it, but I REALLY missed....
The Boys:
-I’m sorry, but  Marvin T. "Mother's" Milk (MM) is a wonderful human being. He still needs more screen time and a bit more development, but I love that they used him a bit more this season. When he went home to his daughter? Please let him be with his family until the end of 3.01/middle of 3.02. Just let the man watch his shows and make his dollhouses and be happy. 
- Hugh came into his own this season, and that was wonderful. I am interested to see where his working for his working for Victoria Neuman will go. Especially as he is trying to take down Vought in a legal way, but his new boss is secretly exploding heads.
-Kimiko! My heart ached for her so much this season. She found her brother and found that he had become so brainwashed and full of hate and than she lost him. She pushed Frenchie away and became an assassin for the mob. Her truest friend, Frenchie, pulled away from her. But, in the end she helped take down Stormfront and she and Frenchie literally danced off together. Kimiko didn’t get that much screen time after 2.03, but what she did get -  Karen Fukuhara used. 
-Frenchie also got some great development this season. I’m still going to call him Frenchie, even if his name is  Serge. It was great that he realized that a part of the reason he focused in on protecting Kimiko was because he has failed to protect others. When he told her he would leave her alone? Aw, no - just back off a bit. And he did, and she taught him her language! 
-Frenchie x Kimiko are my couple on this show and they need to dive into that “It’s not sexual and it’s not quite romantic, but it’s way more than friendship/family” thing they have going on. 
-Let’s talk Butcher. He’s selfish. He is. He was willing to give up Ryan to get Becca back. But, he’s not heartless. He couldn’t separate his wife from her son. And, while I think he might have killed Ryan if Homelander hadn’t shown up - he gave Ryan to people who will try and keep him safe and shape him into a good person. Do I think he’ll go dark because of Becca’s death? Probably. If they follow the comics (which they aren’t anymore, but they may want to follow overall character stories), he’ll have to go dark.  I’m sad they killed Becca - she could have just gone with Ryan. But, it will be interesting to see if Butcher takes up the offer to work secretly for the government. 
Season Three Predictions/Hopes:
- I think the show will fast forward a bit. We’ll see The Seven as heroes in public, but all facing their own issues in private. We may see other Supe teams. 
- I think The Boys will be separated for a bit: Hughie working for Neuman, MM with his family, Frenchie and Kimiko off on their own, Butcher doing his own thing. And something will happen that will cause them all to come back together. 
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Crisana or Kieutou? Pros and Cons
ohh this is a good question 🤔🤔
i rly love both ships & they're v different so it's hard to compare but i think i have to go w crisana for this bc while i love kieutou i don't rly have the same emotional attachment to them as i have for crisana, both r great couples tho!
i think for crisana pros r that españa had the brain cells to make the isak season abt girls that alone rly makes my respect go 📈📈 for the couple. i also love the whole evak dynamic of falling for the cool new kid n w crisana it was especially sweet bc cris was this sort of party girl n she had to be vulnerable for the first time. also the way the girl squad adopts joana n they fit in so well rly does it for me bc i'm not a very romantic person so that kind of relationship when u can act like partners AND best friends is just chef's kiss 🌹i feel like their relationship is intense in a good way but also casual enough for me to fully enjoy bc it's smth i would also prefer over rly romantic stuff. they're like besties in love it's great :) i loved seeing their relationship in the background in s3 too (n s4 but i didn't watch that season i just saw the gifs etc) bc it felt very real n genuine but most of all realistic bc it wasn't only the good parts they also showed us struggles!
cons would probably be that hmm i relate to joana more than cris so it kinda feels like an obstacle to see urself more in the love interest than the main character, while w kieutou i relate to fatou more 🤔 i mean it doesn't ruin it for me or anything but that's one downside i can come up with. then probably representation-wise i'm still angry that they casted a skinny actress for cris knowing that she would get isak's season.. doesn't sit right w me but they have great chemistry n all that so it doesn't ruin it either. it's more abt the idea of "crisana is already so great imagine how good it would've been if they kept the chris role for a fat girl"
kieutou definitely gets points for originality i appreciate druck so much for creating this story when they started making their original seasons. i can also relate to fatou as a character so it's rly fun to follow her journey w kieu my. i also love how they're kind of this "opposites attract" couple like ava said kieu my being the ice queen & fatou being a rly warm person they rly complete each other! also representation-wise they're doing amazing i love how they chose woc for the roles n haven't erased their respective cultures. points for common interests & shared sense of humor their talks on tinder were so cute w all their inside jokes
for the cons i would have to say that while i love watching their romance it's very far from what i would personally want so i don't rly grow that attached to them. like their cheesy lines while cuddling in bed n kieu my sending her songs that remind her of fatou is super sweet for them but i always watch those scenes like good for u guys but god i would hate this smjdksjdk alsooo while for crisana i mentioned the trope of falling for the new student as a positive thing i think for kieutou i unfortunately don't rly enjoy kieu my's position as a love interest bc of the conflict between ava (fatou's bff) n kieu my (fatou's loml) but that's just personal preference bc i think druck has objectively handled it well + they rly did commit to that cashqueen/insta conflict w the r+j references which is rly cool n shows that even if it isn't rly my cup of tea they did a great job w the idea. one more thing that's kind of unfortunate is that considering the timeline & all the side plots (which i otherwise appreciate) kieutou were "on/off" maybe one too many times, i think they should've gotten rid of one of the fights they had bc it kiiinda started to get repetitive imo n especially last week i was kind of like. i still love them but what's rly drawing them together anymore which is sad but they did pull through w yesterday's & this morning's clips so! i suppose that criticism is more abt the writing than the couple itself bc i don't think going back n forth inherently makes couples bad but just the way it was done in this season wasn't my fave thing
this looks like i have so many complaints abt kieutou in comparison to crisana but that's not rly true i just have all the kieutou things fresh in my mind while it's been like a year since i was seeing crisana regularly so! if i did an eskam rewatch i would probably find more cons for them too although i don't think a rewatch would change my preference for crisana, probably just add more nuance
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U know the whole "zutara shippers use katara as a self insert" argument is especially gross when u consider how so many zutara fans are woc and particularly dark skinned women who lack positive representation and they finally get a character they can identify with and ship her with someone who treats her as an equal and doesn't rely on her to do all the emotional labor in their relationship, which is pretty rare and yet folks shame them for it! seems almost racist...
In my personal experience, most anti Zutara people are not really racists but xenophobes instead (which in my opinion is even more despicable because there are truly no differences between them and the people they attack; they just hate the rest of the world.) Anyways, apart from that, it’s no secret that Kataang’s narrative was written for the public to sympathize solely with Aang (especially considering Katara was literally turning his back to him many of the times when he got all hearty-eyed on her.) Look, at the end of the day, we all project ourselves into fictional characters; if we didn’t, we wouldn’t be able to form a connection neither with them nor with the story. The characters don’t directly interact with us, we can’t connect with them as if they were outsiders, and even when we connect with real life people, it’s because something in them (a personality trait, a personal struggle) is similar to ours, so we can relate to one another. Fictional characters are specifically written to represent the audience the writer is trying to attract and Aang is a perfect example of this; I mean, we all have been there when our crushes don’t return our affections. 
Logically, people wants to see the character they are projecting on to have a happy ending, but the problem is that focusing in only one character leaves all the others as fillers (which is especially damaging in a story with a protagonist, deuteragonist, and tritagonist like ATLA is) but that makes it easier to just write Character B to come out to the balcony and kiss Character A without a word, right?  
It just throws away any kind of build-up or thought the rest of the cast had upon themselves.
The people that relate only to Aang are always going to a) shove away the fact that he’s 12 years old paired to a 14 year old, b) make excuses for him kissing Katara without her consent, and c) try tear down anything that gets in the middle of their fantasy of becoming an acclaimed hero with hot fans and an even hotter love interest that lives for kissing the floor they step on. 
So romantic. (And dignifying for their partner.) 
Ya know, they kind of remind me to the antagonist from Cassandra Clare’s The Mortal Instruments series. Have you ever read those books? The character that I’m talking about is Sebastian Morgenstern. I can’t seem to find the actual quote, but he’s described something like: 
“He wants love but he doesn’t think he has to change in order to get it. He wants to change the world instead.”
Does coming up with nonsensical “racist” anti shipping discourse counts as wanting to change the world?
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