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thespoonisvictory · 3 years

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unhinged ask time! this might be so far off from what u r talking about, but i’m also thinking about the canon implications of c!tech and c!tommy being brothers! cause like. idk about you, but i always anyway pictured their relationship to be "younger sibling looks up to estranged older sibling." except they were never brothers, y'know? tommy knows of techno only cause techno is friends with phil and wil, and those three have a relationship (i am partial to c!wil treating c!techno like a sibling but also c!wil being c!phil's only Son, so idk what dynamic that's supposed to be lmao), but like. tech and tommy never did, y'know? i imagine that, prior to the dsmp, canonically tech's Off On Tournaments and doing whatever he does (which i think is a popular fan interpretation) and he kinda visits "home" but mostly, by the time tommy's in the picture (via c!wilbur finding a Random Kid in the woods) he's not around like. ever. so tommy looks up to him a ton (cause it's technoblade, holy shit! he can’t believe he knows the Blade!) and they at least know each other exists but like. tommy just idealizes techno and techno just kinds knows okay. i guess this kid is here. maybe tech's a lil fond and and they trust each other enough that c!tommy wants to call on him to help in pogtopia, but they never had an Actual relationship to begin with.

now thinking about like. actual canon brothers and hgsjhGSA. that just fits right in. just everything staying the same but tommy knowing that the Blade is his brother. i think that c!techno would not just like. drop everything just cause c!tommy is his actual brother. in my mind, he's still Off On Tournaments and doing whatever he does, but now c!tommy’s got this perception that, oh, just cause you're family, doesn't mean you stay, but there’s still that Automatic Love cause he’s family anyway. and c!techno doesn’t get that? he figures tommy will just know that because they’re family he doesn’t have anything to worry about? and they still grow up with that kind of stilted “i don’t really know you but i guess we grew up together and somehow i still know too much about you to be strangers” vibe but now there’s an added element of messy family loyalty. so pogtopia is super awkward cause neither of them really know how they stand with the other. tommy doesn’t know if techno left on purpose. if they’re just brothers in name and nothing else. techno doesn’t know if tommy forgives him, or even why he’s being so weird. and they never really stopped thinking about each other as brothers and also! they’re actually getting to know each other as People and not just Ideas anymore. so by the time the 16th rolls around, the “betrayal” hits even worse. and then exile. bedrock bros. everything is tinged with, “you’re just doing this for me cause we’re family, not cause you actually like me.” but aHHHHHH. there’s still genuine care there, somewhere cause they’re family, not to mention they’re getting to know each other here too. but, at this point, they both have different def’s of what the word “family” even means. c!techno thinks it still just means c!sbi, but now c!tommy’s on that found family grind, so now that idea’s expanded to fill like. c!tubbo. so at the infamous community house scene, techno’s still thinking that tommy will stay with him because they’re brothers! y’know! but tommy’s team Chosen Family, so he picks tubbo and they clash. neither of them get each other. and like ahahsagshjagsahjgs they can never have their Complete Family Obligation love anymore, cause shit, they actually know each other as people now. and the Turning Point for their relationship would be like: am i gonna choose to love you now that i know you? or was it really only cause we were family all along? and what even is family? aHHHHHHH YEAH

Anon you literally read my mind omfg

this this this a thousand times you understand exactly what I mean, literally don't have anything to add here other than throw a smidge of tommy's hero worship of techno in at the beginning of pogtopia and this is exactly what I was talking abt with pav

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lilyminer · 3 years

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Line for line analysis of the Doomsday War loyalty argument

Don’t expect this to be anything too profound I’m just gathering my thoughts on the situation.

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TOMMY Technoblade, look at me! Do NOT shoot!

TECHNO Tommy… You had your chance, Tommy.

TOMMY Technoblade, listen to me! For once in your life, you didn’t have to do this… You could have compromised!

I do believe Techno did do his fair share of listening to Tommy while they were living together, they planned things together and while Techno might have had so misconceptions about his situation I don’t believe this was a well thought out point.

TECHNO [You gave me-]

TOMMY The thing about the discs, Technoblade, is that they were for me! We could have had a government, you could have let us live- YOU COULD HAVE COMPROMISED!

A compromise would have been helpful but Techno has made his intentions known in the past and no one in l’manburg offered that kind of solution before.

TECHNO I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE DISCS, TOMMY! THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO GO! SELFISH! You used me from the start, Tommy! You are wearing my helmet as we speak!

Yup those are his intentions, but this isn’t an analysis of Technos motives so we’ll leave it at that. It appears to Techno that Tommy used him for self defence and then left him in the dust at this point. That is true, Tommy tried his best but his loyalty was never truly with Techno’s goals. Tommy as a character is far from selfish but his compassion didn’t really extend to Techno for most of their history.

TOMMY Technoblade! You said we betrayed you! You said we are the ones who betrayed you!

TECHNO You betrayed me like 12 TIMES?!

Yeah, throughout their history Tommy and his allies have used Techno and ignored his personal goals in favour of their own. Still Technos “retaliation” here was extremely over the top, but it was not out of the blue. But it isn’t really a betrayal, it wasn’t aimed at Tommy. It might have effected him greatly but it wasn’t some punishment for him.

TOMMY Technoblade look at me! Look at me right now! You said you hated government, you said WE are the ones who betrayed you! But YOU are the one who killed Tubbo when JSchlatt told you to! You are the one who betrayed us out of all of this, Technoblade!

TECHNO [I was peer pressured! You betrayed me like yesterday!]

Tommy has betrayed Techno, it is incorrect to say he hasn’t. But Tubbos execution was a betrayal that’s obvious, not Technos solo choice but still partially his fault.

TOMMY [Your friends- Listen to me! Listen to me! Your friends- YOU-]

TECHNO You used me as a weapon! You never thought of me as a friend, Tommy! You just used me from the start. You just saw me just as “the Blade”, that’s all I was to you “the Blade”, a weapon. Well, guess what?

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I’m choosing what I fight for now and I’m going to destroy the government, Tommy! You all die! It’s gone!

I don’t think that’s entirely correct, Tommy seemed to see him as the blade passively during most of their coexistence. But they were at the very beginning of starting a relationship with one another while living together. Still I don’t think Techno is entirely wrong here. He is clearly sick of letting ppl take advantage of his passion for anarchy, he’s choosing his own battle here.

. . .

TOMMY Look at me, please! Techno! You are our friend! And you know what? I thought friendship- Listen to me, please for- Techno, for once in your life listen to me!

Still going on about their relationship and Techno not listening to him, see above arguments.

TECHNO You never thought of me as a friend, Tommy! I listened to you for weeks and what did you do? You went back to Tubbo, the guy that exiled you! That chosen country over you!

From Technos pov Tubbo was the one who exiled Tommy out of nowhere. Of course he doesn’t know the larger problem.

TOMMY Technoblade, people are above the government. [We- It doesn’t matter if we want a government!]

TECHNO I AM A PERSON!

TOMMY You are, Techno! And so are we! You- The discs! The reason the discs, cause they were stolen from me!

TECHNO DISCS AREN’T PEOPLE!

At this point Tommy hasn’t confronted Technos problems with others treatment of him. And Tommy’s statement isn’t powerful enough to mean anything to Techno, cuz actions speak louder then words. I don’t understand why Tommy brought up the discs here, he was trying to get them back but he’s not working with Techno anymore so of course Techno won’t help him get them back.

TOMMY Nothing is taken from you here, Technoblade! Nothing was taken from you here! You are SELFISH! You destroy what people love for your own selfish gain! You are selfish!

Techno was used and betrayed by many people in l’manburg, his motivations are very different from Tommy’s fight for the discs and the people he cares about. Techno isn’t aiming to gain anything from this, him and Phil just want l’manburg to be destroyed. Him and Phil understand people are losing a lot but they believe it must be done so the government can’t corrupt more people. None of this is really for Techno.

TECHNO [Oh my god…] All of these problems are, because of YOUR government. Your government has caused all of these issues! I believe in freedom, Tommy!

TOMMY You don’t believe- When you are peer pressured that’s not freedom! That’s following what the government says, that was the president telling you to do that!

TECHNO Bro, Tommy, that was like 4 MONTHS ago, okay?

TOMMY And it was and you killed Tubbo! Don’t forget about the past right now!

Tommy is taking this opportunity to lecture Techno about everything he hates about him. While it is a wrong-doing of Technos it is essentially a straw man argument he shifts to.

. . .

TOMMY Even if he wasn’t the president you killed him as well. You are as bad as the government.

TECHNO Hey, remember when I was sitting there alone against the whole government and you and Wilbur just sat there on the sidelines and watched- Did you step in? DID YOU STEP IN?! Were you guys- Were you guys the ones that stepped in and said: “Don’t worry, Technoblade. We know you are in a high-pressure situation, but we’ll fight the world for you, Technoblade!” NO, YOU GUYS WATCHED! You know what I did? Yesterday, when you were surrounded by like 30 people, the whole world was against you? I WALKED IN! I was willing to fight all of them for you, Tommy! I would’ve been there! THAT is the difference between us.

I think this is a fair argument, he was alone, under pressure, and a little bit scared and no one stepped in to help him. And it relates to the argument at hand by trying to explain how betrayed he feels. But the choice to antagonize Tommy in particular reflects his incomplete perspective on both situations. (Wilbur holding back Tommy + The actual exile situation)

TOMMY Techno- we spend hours together, man!

TECHNO DON’T SPEAK TO ME OF LOYALTY!

They have two very different ideas of loyalty, plus Techno has noticeable trust issues at this point. Jeez they are not on the same page here.

TOMMY NO! You are my friend and you BETRAYED US! The thing about this government- The discs- Those were stolen by Dream! Why would you side with a MANIAC!

Tommy gave him the choice to side with them and he chose to not. He’s allied with Dream because they have similar goals. He doesn’t really care about Dreams ideology or past conflicts, Tommy for lack of a better phrase is taking this too personally.

TECHNO You never thought of me as a friend. I don’t care about the discs! I care about freedom, the government! We can’t have freedom with the government!

TOMMY You have your own freedom! Just let people love what they love, man! You are selfish!

Techno believes the government isn’t good for the people of the server, his goals are not meant to be self centred.

TECHNO I used to think like that, Tommy. You know what they did to me? They HAUNTED me down! The whole butcher army! And they executed me. I tried being peaceful, Tommy. But the government made it clear, that we could not coexist.

TOMMY Because you blew up the entire- You spawned withers, just like you did again. All you do is repeat the history, but worse!

TECHNO You guys brought this upon yourselves. I was willing to live in my cottage and be chill and just farm turtles. But you guys made it clear.

I don’t blame l’manburg for not putting it all behind them but they gave Techno (at least in him mind) no other choice. He couldn’t live a happy life as long as l’manburg still had a bounty on his head. But I don’t think self-preservation is selfish in the way Tommy thinks it is. He is essentially a victim of a violent system who retaliated extremely violently.

Overall Tommy’s side of the conversation is messy, he does not understand Technos motives and doesn’t seem to be listening at all. Which is fair given his traumatic circumstances. This argument didn’t really have a loser or winner but I think Techno made more sense and (ironically) listened to Tommy more.

#mcyt #dream smp #dsmp #technoblade #mcyt technoblade #tommyinnit #mcyt tommy #doomsday war #dsmp doomsday #mcyt analysis #mcyt commentary #these are just my takes my takes on the situation nothing deep #tommy critical #<not the intention of the post just for Tommy stans who don’t wanna see this :)#tw negative #tw neg

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electronicdelusionstarlight · 5 years

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A brief recounting of the events of Elder Scrolls Legends, and of the Forgotten Heroes that saved the Empire when no one else could.

The Argonian, The Myth, The Legend...

SWIMS-AT-NIGHT!

SMUGGLER, WAR HERO... AND THE MOST LOYAL OF FRIENDS.

Self-Proclaimed "Greatest Smuggler in Tamriel," Swims-At-Night was just a simple smuggler during the Great War, stealing his cargoes from the Thalmor controlled Cyrodill, traversing the treacherous seas to later sell it off to either the resistance in Hammerfell or the Thalmor themselves, to them at 5 times the original value and at half the quality, not really out of any patriotic duty as much as for the cold and shiny siren call of gold. A daring, dangerous life, that made him make contacts with all sorts of people, that however ill fitted his true calling.

For you see, for while he was indeed without equal in his smuggling and his ability with poisoned blades was without match... Swims-At-Night was a lore nerd at heart. Especially if he could turn a tidy profit from said lore nerding.

But let's keep things in order.

Everything in Swims-At-Night's life changed one fateful night, during that same Great War he was profiting from... When he met two figures.

One, was Tyr.

This Beefcake of a Nord was one of the few remaining blades, captured by the second in command of the Thalmor Warlord and Daedric Follower Lord Narafiin, and left to Rot and fight for his life in one of his dungeons/daedric lair/underground arenas, only to one day escape with the help of another... mysterious figure.

THE FORGOTTEN HERO! WAR CRIMINAL! BACKSTABBER! MASTER OF DISGUISE! GENERALLY GREEDY ASSHOLE! THE WORST OF FRIENDS! DID I MENTION BACKSTABBER, LIKE, SERIOUSLY, THIS FUCKER BACKSTABS A LOT.

Basically TESL Robbie Rotten. At least he hates Nazi elves tho.

Anyway, back to that one faithful night. Tyr and the Forgotten Hero, from here on TFH, had recently escaped their captivity, and were searching for a lift to reach Skyrim, so to warn the emperor, who had retreated there after the fall of the imperial city, of Narafiin’s Daedric Dealings, and also so they could scoop up a friend of Tyr along the way, so that she could shine a Light upon this mess.

So, in the middle of the night, in the middle of a Port patrolled by Thalmor Justiciars searching for both them and the Argonian’s stolen Cargo, Tyr and TFH decide to steal Swims-At-Night’s boat...

RIGHT. FROM. UNDER. HIS. GILLS.

Needless to say, it was friendship at first sight.

After discovering the 2 vagrants trying to steal his shit and a quick sword fight with the Forgotten Hero, the Trio is found by one of the aforementioned Thalmor Patrols, and therefore, seeing how they too were being hunted down by the Nazi Elves, he goes “what the hell, the enemy of my nazi enemy is my new best friend, let’s go guys, this trip is on me!”, scoops them up on his ship, and departs from the port toward northern shores.

They later shipwreck. Because dude might be the “Greatest Smuggler in Tamriel,” but I challenge you to steer a ship during one perfect storm with one bloodthirsty Breton pirate ship trying their best to board them and sink his ship at the same time. Not even (spoilers) Sails-Trough-Storms herself could do it, I say.

Anyway, they shipwreck, have some zany adventures in High Rock with some mudcrabs and some spriggans, find a wolf cub TFH might or might have not abandoned to his fate rather than take in and nurture as his new pet LIKE THE ASSHOLE HE IS, and finally, in the middle of a ancient ruin, surrounded by angry goblins who had just come in and killed the cultists that were trying to kill her...

She appears, in all her majestic might...

LAANETH! MISTRESS OF MAGIC! SCHOLAR AND RESEARCHER AMONG THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS COLLEGES AND MAGES GUILDS IN ALL OF TAMRIEL, AND EXPERT IN DAEDRIC ARTIFACTS AND LORE!

Anyway, they save Laaneth from a Goblin assault straight out of Goblin Slayer, and she informs them that her latest research was around a semi obscure prophecy called The Culling (II), a cautionary tale about how people shouldn’t standardize and destroy their Battle Royal Games for greed and get rich schemes, and about how, during a particular cosmological event, the veil between worlds will be weakened, and will be easily breached by anyone committing a sacrifice big enough (Like, for example, the entirety of the Imperial City Population) to reawaken the now forgotten Oblivion Gates, so that the maws of Oblivion will be able to be opened one last time, to unleash hell upon Nirn, so to hasten the deterioration of reality and the breaking of the world, thus destroying creation and possibly but most definitely not allowing the Thalmor to ascend to godhood in the ensuing chaos.

You know, standard Nazi Elves plans.

This is even more concerning of Lord Naarafiin simply having Dremoras and other Daedras in his armies, especially after it is revealed that some major entity, perhaps even a Prince, must be edging their bets on this thing happening, so they decide to quickly reach the Emperor’s Camp all together to give him the grave news, and see what to do next.

(If i may take a moment, I would like to point out how Swims-At-Night, his ship destroyed and his cargo now in the seas, without a single prospect of coin in sight, is still there, ready to fight and die for his newfound companions and freedom, because he might be a scoundrel and a Smuggler, but he is a Honest Smuggler goddammit, mass genocide and daedric outbreaks are a big no no for him.

He also probably already knitted some new best friends sweaters already for him and his bros and is already probably preparing one for his new nerd elven friend, and probably didn’t want them to go to waste, so there’s that).

Anyway, our heroes got to Skyrim. Some more shenanigans ensue, a bar fight, some imperial deserters, a High Elf Merchant that was trapped by giant spider and had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THALMOR TFH might have just been plain old racist too and left for dead rather than help, the ghost of another merchant asking for revenge against some other, human bandits that killed him and his family for their gold, and all that...

Anyway, they reach the Emperor’s Camp, where we meet the last members of this ragtag bunch of misfits...

GENERAL CASSIA! SECOND IN COMMAND DURING THE GREAT WAR UNDER EMPEROR TITUS MEDE II, AND MOSTLY THE ONE WHO HAD TO DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR HIM IN THE FORM OF DISCIPLINING DESERTERS AND ALL THAT NASTY SHIT.

Anyway, a plan is formed. Our Heroes must return to the Imperial City, disguised as Gladiators, and will use a secret passage near the Arena, the SAME passage the Hero of Kvatch used all those many years before to escape the imperial prison, courtesy of Swims-At-Night, the History Nerd him, to reach into White Gold Tower, and steal the greatest treasure of all.

THE ORB OF VAERMINA!

For you see, Lord Naarafiin indeed had the help of Daedric Princes, ready to spring up at the occasion of the walls of reality getting thinner, and Vaermina was among them. The Warlord was using the Orb to spy on the Imperial Troops movements and plans, easily outwitting them and laying waste along the country, committing one atrocity after the next, reading the field play for the final sacrifice, and our heroes needed to get the sphere away from him, so to better prepare a effective attack plan against the city before it was too late.

So, our heroes reach the Imperial Capital, passing as gladiators, and go into the secret passage, now swarming with perilous undead after many years from the 3rd era...

And with a mysterious altar, appeared out of nowhere, whose burning light, as bright as dawn breaking upon the fields, shone against the undead hordes, aiding our heroes in their time of need as it scorched them to a crisp.

For it seemed, not all Princes were in favor of Naraafiin’s plan of destroying the world.

Or maybe Meridia just wanted to scorch some Mummies, who knows with her.

Anyway, our heroes reach the highest floor of the Tower, where the Orb is left unprotected...

And where they are promptly ambushed by Naarafiin second in comand!

REIVE! THE BLADE MASTER! THE PAIN-SINGER! THE LORD OF THE ARENA!

He was him who had captured Tyr and TFH back at the start, and with a swift move, he has now taken Tyr Hostage, the gleaming point of his blade ready to slash the man’s manly and muscled chest at a wrong move.

BUT THAT’S NO ORDINARY BLADE I SAY!

(Yeah, only found this image for the card art, sorry)

THAT’S GOLDBRAND! THE SWORD OF BOETHIA, DAEDRIC PRINCE OF PLOTS! FATHER OF MYSTERIES! MOTHER OF SHADOWS! AND A BUNCH OF OTHER VARIOUS TITLES WITH OTHER VARIOUS GENDERS! AND THE REAL DAEDRIC PRINCE BEHIND THIS MESS!

For what better plot, than to plot to destroy the world, after all?

TFH has however been also fast, and has already nicked the Orb for himself, the kleptomaniac little shit. He is now presented with a choice. Keep the Orb, and watch his friend and companion die... or Give Reive the Orb, and get his friend back... “unscathed.”

And TFH, the absolute bastard and backstabber... chooses to keep the Orb.

(I mean, yes, technically, you can decide to spare Tyr... Except dude still dies during the ensuring fight as he shows his massive balls of nordic steel and SMASHES A DAEDRIC ARTIFACT TO PIECES RIGHT IN FRONT OF A ANGRY HIGHER DREMORA, and it is canon that TFH used the orb at least 10 times in his life if we go by Achievements, which he couldn't really do if he let Tyr smash it, soooo...)

Anyway, Tyr dies, Reive is Angry (And so are Laaneth and partially Cassia, like, dude was Laaneth’s friend more than he was anyone else, they had HISTORY, she is understandably angry with TFH, and he was working in close quarters with Cassia due to their ranks in the imperial army and shit...), and a battle ensues. TFH manages to overpower Reive and kill him, thus gaining the favor of Goldbrand and perhaps Boethia’s Themselves given their great betrayal and show of strength, since that’s how Boethia Rolls...

Anyway, They daringly escape the Imperial City, everyone a bit more somber after the whole ordeal, even despite the victory, and reach the Emperor’s camp nearby, reading for the next day siege, right in time for the Culling... BUT OH NOES! A Thalmor assassination deep cover team (which is composed entirely by Bosmer for some reasons... what, are Kahjiits not stealthy enough for your deep cover assassinations?) has attacked the Emperor in the night!

The assassins have been repelled, and Titus Mede II is safe, but the Emperor is now no longer fit to ride the next day. This will surely be a deep blow to the morale of the army, even now that has been bolstered by new and fresh recruits from Skyrim, and Cassia isn’t sure anymore they are going to pull it through...

And it’s here, that our “hero” truly unleashes his inner Robbie Rotten, as a dastardly plan is formed, I’m 99% sure after Swims-At-Night’s Counsel.

The emperor will remain in his tent, in the middle of the camp, unseen and unheard as he rests, as TFH wears his armor, and rides into battle on the front lines with his army, disguised as the emperor, keeping the Morale High as he valiantly fights of the Nazi Elven Scum, his Golden Blade in one hand, his mystical sphere of dreams in the other, as he conquers more and more ground, his friends leading 3 other different fronts in a 4 way attack on the imperial city, crashing trough to stop the massacre from happening...

And yet.

It’s too late.

Naaraafiin has already killed the entire population of the Imperial City, and the Gates of Oblivion are opened. He meets what he thinks is the emperor, his personal guard at his side, as all manners of Atronachs and Dremora are unleashed upon the city, and soon the world, as the Oblivion Gates open once more and the walls of reality are weakened.

TFH has to think fast, and so, attacks the Warlord, who easily counters TFH with his magic, now overpowered by the think layers between realms and his own, general overpowered Final Boss Magic, blasting shit left and right at a frankly insanely low magicka cost...

And yet, perhaps, this overpowered magic will be Naaraafiin’s Downfall, for the Orb of Vaermina cannot just enter the dreams of your enemies to spy on their plans, but can steal mirages of powers and creatures from your opponent mind, and use them against them.

And so, witnessing his prowess with the sword, and finally recognizing Goldbrand as Goldbrand, and the “Emperor” as the one who had killed Reive, as he steals one of his massive blast right from under Naarafiin’s mind, and uses it against its own master...

Naaraafiin falls. Pushed by his own arcane magick, perhaps still alive, perhaps not, inside one of the holes in reality his culling had created, the link between him and the fracture of reality severing, as the Dremoras and Daedras vanish into Oblivion, and the gates close.

The battle is won. The Imperial City is taken back, if destroyed and with little to no population left.

And the Thalmor are retreating.

TFH and his friend go back to the emperor, who congratulates with them about the victory, for the man really knows when the delegate, and gifts TFH his armor, as the 4 companions depart, each for their own road, perhaps to never meet again...

And so the story ends, with a empire saved from the brink of destruction, yet irreparably damaged, a friendship betrayed, and terrible memories people will never forget.

But when the story ends...

Another begins.

For to paraphrase Marvel:

SWIMS-AT-NIGHT WILL RETURN...

In Elder Scrolls Legends III: Return to Clockwork City!

(Tho there’s the Fall of the Dark Brotherhood first, probably going to do that first, gotta show you just how much of a Asshole TFH can be).

#tes #tesl #the elder scrolls #the elder scrolls legends #tes lore #long post #wanted to do this in a while #swims-at-night #the forgotten hero #(don't really know how else to tag it really)#elder scrolls legends #elder scrolls

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staticsamuraiart · 5 years

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Hoo boy, this one's a long one

There's a TLDR way at the end.

I had one of my longer running games come to a messy head last night where a couple of the players enacted a party betrayal. Here is your cast primarily involved so I don't have to keep using full titles to keep everything straight. We're level 17.

The Tiefling Barbarian who's been having a mental breakdown for the last 3 or 4 games as his entire life up until a certain point has been revealed to him to be a lie, thus causing a downward spiral of paranoia and a refusal to trust literally anyone, party members included. Shortened to "The Barbarian" from now on.

The way-too-hard-to-explain Ranger turned Devil Vampire Queen (there's a lot going on here). The character was once a Tabaxi with a hunger for treasure hunting. Now she wishes to ascend to godhood and become what is essentially a god of piracy and treasure hoarding. Shortened to "The Ranger" from now on.

The Undead Warlock/Life Cleric who has thus far been an amazing healer and generally has a fix for everything and is unaffected by most things who gets the most screwed over in this scenario. Shortened to "The Cleric-Lock" from now on.

And the more minor involvements, a Lycan bloodhunter, our demi-god Bard, and myself as the circle of the moon druid. We were affected but not nearly as directly.

The situation! We were in the Feywild and crawling through a dungeon. I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting this dungeon because I was under the impression we were gathering allies in the Feywild because our plane is at war with the Devils but that's another story. We split the party (first mistake) because the dungeon has two paths to go through and one team was forcibly separated after a cave in. The Bard, Bloodhunter, and Barbarian go one way. The Cleric-lock, Ranger, and Druid go the other. Party A and B respectively.

Party A proceeds forward. There's pretty much mostly harmless or not at all dangerous traps laid out through this place so they kind of murderhobo on through. They uh.... let's just say an innocent child gets straight up murdered by the Barbarian who betrays them and tries to book it for the item at the end of the dungeon. Shenanigans ensue and the Bard traps the Barbarian in a Forcecage, while he and the Bloodhunter bamf out to continue through the dungeon.

Party B has a significantly easier time, because overall we are the less* murderhobo side (*one of the traitors is in this group, guess whooo). We power through a much more significant portion of the dungeon and make it to the boss room. "The Boss Room" being the room where the treasure is guarded by goblins...

Now to condense the story, the Vampire and the Barbarian for different reasons were trying to obtain AN INSANELY RARE AND POWERFUL LEGENDARY SWORD THAT GRANTS WISHES. Like high tier shit. The Ranger's plan was to trap or kill everyone in this dungeon because she is the reason it even exists. She has been meticulously planning with the DM for months on her ultimate betrayal and finally reached her point. She plays her trump card (although it ends up not being as awesome as expected because she misunderstood a mechanic, nbd) but proceeds to continue. Here's where things get complicated so let me explain piece by piece:

The ranger supposedly had a wish saved from a previous session when she encountered multiple wish granting items all at once (Frankly she's had insane luck in obtaining wishes all through this campaign). Many of us at the table were pretty sure she did NOT have the wish saved, but the DM ruled she definitely did even though the math didn't line up. The Ranger used this wish spell to force the Cleric-Lock to have amnesia.

Clarification; the DM specifically stated there is no save, no counter, no anything to stop this wish. It happened and there was nothing the player could do about it. Now you might be thinking "but you're the druid, couldn't you have still stopped her?" or even "that's not very fair, shouldn't there still be some kind of DC if the wish copied a spell that exists?"

Well to answer the first thought as simply as possible, I am a homebrewed version of an Eidolyn. You know? Those things Summoners essentially make a bond with and can summon out to fight and shit for them? Yeah, it's neat. The second answer is like, wow hey same bro, I agree. That doesn't make much sense to me. DM ruled "It happens because it's not the 'spell' wish, it's like the 11th level bomb ass crazy powerful WISH wish." and personally I didn't agree but DM rules so I wasn't gonna fight it out. Powerful magic is powerful. Other players at the table were incredibly upset over it and the tensions rose.

Back to explanations, I was originally bonded to the Bard, because at the start of the game we were playing a dnd skin of El Dorado but our "Tulio" left left the game early on. Anyway, here's the problem; I wasn't bonded to the Bard. I was bonded to the Ranger.

"But Static, how can that be? you don't just un-bond to your chosen person!"

Yeeeah well, there was a situation where I got petrified and that sucked. I failed my saves twice. The Ranger had a very powerful ally who had unpetrified me, but he also apparently marked me and bonded me to the Ranger. The DM's argument was that because I "died," I was no longer bonded to the Bard, and was open to have a new bond made. Now I'm not mad or anything at the situation, I'm a very flow with the punches player, but my problem is that that seems like something I should have known, right? I didn't though, I had no idea my bond was shifted; no idea I was even remotely connected to the Ranger in such a way. It was well hidden, because we WERE connected BEFORE that situation came about. Devils' rules, souls being traded and shit, partially due to my Eidolyn heritage; it's complicated.

Why is that important? Well technically speaking, because I was HER Eidolyn, I was HER minion. She ordered me to go ahead and grab her legendary wish sword while the Cleric-Lock was essentially reverted to a mindless Spectre- complicated- and proceeded to possess the Ranger because he still had the general notion that the situation was a hostile one. Ranger failed her save, became a vegetable. I was still following my order. Those Goblins? Used the wishes to wish for Fire toads, and then wished to be okay with fire. AKA they're slowly burning to death on their new Fire Toad mounts as I grab the now innert sword. Okay well it's still a wicked sword, but the wishes were spent.

ALLLLLL things come to a head. The druid goes wild berserk for a while as her "summoner" has essentially been incapacitated, a powerful ally the Ranger summoned whisks the Ranger's body away as the Cleric-lock still maintains control of her body, the Barbarian is trapped in a Forcecage, and the Bard and Bloodhunter bamf the fuck out of there (don't worry we had a sort of anchor that kept the time dilation at bay and they successfully saved on the memory loss thing). Eventually the druid returns to herself, and also bamfs out back to the anchor point with successful memory saves; leaving half of the party essentially wiped and the players for the Barbarian, Cleric-lock, and Ranger will be rolling new characters.

Now this was a lot to go over, because it is a very complicated set of characters with crazy backstories and hordes of batshit insane items and powers because we're so high level and it wouldn't be easy to understand from an outside view if I hadn't provided as much context as I did. The situation with the wish being un-salvagable for the player, combined with the seemingly random entering of a dungeon when our goal was nowhere near such a thing, and the overall out of character tensions that kept rising with disruptive players ended up causing a lot of arguments and a lot of strife; DM and players alike.

What I'm trying to get at is that it's okay to disagree with how your DM runs things. It's okay to think a situation in game was handled unfairly. It's okay to clash opinions. Sometimes DMs are set in their ruling, and sometimes a DM enacts Rule 0: DM says, therefore it is. That is valid. That being said, if you communicate your concerns with [insert clashing opinion here] and you feel you are just butting heads with the DM with no resolution, compromise, or even validation then it is OKAY TO LEAVE THE GAME.

The Bard's player was the most upset with how the game turned out; what with disagreeing with the wish rulings, finding the lack of any possible inklings to our evil players plotting schemes (by that I mean there was only secret conversations with the DM and no in game nuances noted with no rolls involved), and overall finding the betrayal to be from left field and otherwise just an unfair game with multiple examples of the DM railroading certain party members into being or acting some kind of way when they didn't have the chance to save themselves, notice the issues, or generally be involved in the decision that was forced upon their characters (Cleric-Lock and Druid as the main examples). it resulted in the Bard's player deciding to leave the game prematurely. The DM and him got into a heated argument in person and over facebook, and they just couldn't agree and it ended up getting to that point of "well if you want to run the next game go ahead" attitude.

The situation is fresh, so it's still heated between the two people. Maybe they'll make up, or maybe they'll see that they clash and don't even want to be friends anymore. Idk, but I for one see the game as a learning experience. I myself have had reservations about the game and the DM for a long time, and in general just haven't really felt a deep connection with my character or the story. There were moments, but they were pretty few and far between. I don't hate the players, and I don't even blame the ones who took evil routes and betrayed us. I just wish there was a better synergy between us with Players, Party, and DM. Things probably would've been better.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I just wanted a place to unload the story and organize my thoughts on the situation. I want to clarify too that the DM isn't a bad DM or a bad person, in fact he even pre-game warned us that things might get heated and cooked for us while he tried to be as fair as he possibly could be. This isn't a blasting on social media, nor is it a callout post. I just don't like putting these things on facebook because do you see this novel I wrote? Fuck that noise I just wanted to journal it somewhere and voice out that not every DnD game is perfectly balanced or perceived to be handled fairly. He did his best, he made his calls, and he urged us all to make sure we knew we were all still friends after the game was over.

TLDR; Our DM kind of railroaded a couple players and made some questionable decisions on how he handled some PvP scenarios which angered a chunk of the players and overall it was just a bad time. We're still friends but sometimes friends get passionate over the things they have strong views on and arguments happen. It's okay though, humans aren't perfect. We cool.

Thanks for reading. <3

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Let’s Analyze: Nier: Automata - Session 3 (route A complete... and U... and L...)

Spoilers for the first quarter of Nier: Automata.

Attract Mode

· Never noticed this before.

· 2B telling someone about meeting up with 9S.

· 11945 AD.

· Missed what machine war it was, twice.

· Ragged looking 2B, is that A1?

· Bishounen brothers spoiled. Proclaiming not so different.

· More hints of betrayal from Yorha. Either because we, 2B, are seen as going rogue or because Yorha has been taken over.

· Pascale looks like they are having an anxiety attack. With a ragged looking 2B, maybe A1, behind her.

· Ragged 2B is seen fighting with Nines.

· A…2?

· Segment of 2B walking along with a “System Corrupted” percentage.

· Black conversion of skin seen on one of the Bishounen bros and maybe with Ragged 2B.

Post Goliath

· Plug-in quest is odd. Resistance has chips of a missing Yorha with confidential info on it. I turned it over, but I’m not sure if that was the only option.

· So defeated the three deserters. Not much to say other than Command being cagey about them and the Resistance claiming the reason we had to catch them was a lie.

· Awwee, Nines wants to try to fix the Goliath. I wonder what will be learned.

· A cycle of revenge with a maniac Mech-emil and a dead android/resistance. Then a passage about the truth no matter how painful. Sounds like what I suspected about the backstory. Humans and Aliens are both dead. A cycle of revenge against the Mech-emils and Androids keeps it going due to not knowing the truth.

Oh, it gives an option. Considering my speculation, I went with the truth. Regretted it immediately since I didn’t think they’d want to go all roaring revenge. My heart dropped out to hear them say they now have no one to love or hate once we said we got revenge for them already.

· Oh god the escort Parade quest. “HALP” “I DO NOT WISH TO FIGHT”.

· The Goliath hints at human origin

· Beep you Nines and your casual machineism. Don’t tell me machines can’t be conscious after all that you've seen.

· Yorha Betrayers. They seemed scared, believable enough. Then it is confirmed they stole nothing. Maybe, based on the confidential intel quest, the Resistance might be splintering away. However, the Operator goes all conspiracy theory about this regarding the Commander’s orders.

· Alien facility with Mech-emils looking like they were destroyed trying to get inside, or maybe guarding it. Leaning trying to get in as they are rarer and rarer as you go in deeper.

· Dear Aman’thul, all those dead player bodies.

· This is an alien? Odd, cool. Looks like the stereotypical anime version of an alien. Kind of how western Sci-Fi tends to use Grays. Reminds me a bit of Emil’s face.

· Bishounen Bro Adam admits the Machines destroyed the Aliens, but the Aliens did create the machines… Willing to admit this whole Mech-emil thing might be off.

· Adam and Eve, a bit on the nose, believe humans are still alive. Interesting.

· Commander wants to keep things hush hush, more conspiracy, and knows of Pascal.

· Found Emil inside a Mech-emil. Kuma shock.

· King was a cute baby 😃

· I kind of feel bad I have next to nothing else to say about this area specifically. It’s just more seemingly free Machines out doing their own version of humanity. Just this time it is medieval and hostile.

· Oh, hi A2. Kills King, says Yorha betrayed her, Commander refuses to mention her past.

· Wait, what. Emil?

WHAT.

At least he sells stuff.

Flooded City

· Confidential Intel, guy used the chips to build and repair a Yorha to be a sibling. Messed up voice saying “Pleassseeeee”. Please what? An email later says he was found dead, killed by a machine. The chips were recovered. Possible metaphor for the Machines killing the aliens?

· Nines complains about how the Resistance likes to use and abuse them. Almost as if the Resistance doesn’t see them as people, but machines.

· Humans were already “gone” by time Engels (seems close to angel) was made, and it claims Machines have no concept of sin. So, will they gain that through Adam and Eve.

· Commander claims to be in contact with Humans. If Humans are Dead is true, they are wither complicit (more conspiracy) or sending updates into the void.

· 11B intended to go wrong. Once again a version of “This can’t continue” and not trusting Yorha.

· Pascal to the rescue and seemingly was left alive, maybe, by Yorha? They don’t mention him after everyone else was blasted away, though.

Not sure what to say about this, but a nice visual.

Copy City

· Adam found a shirt and looks respectful now.

· Yorha Corpse collection :/

· The Twins look like the two secret guardian info robots of Nier. That series of Replicant/Android survived?

· Adam equates humanity to violence and being able to die. He, oddly, bleeds.

· Adam was half of the network? Looks like Eve is the other half then. So I imagine their “birth” was just giving the central hive mind two bodies. Considering how Eve was born, maybe the hive mind split after being given one body?

· All these hostile marked on the map Machines are now neutral. Killing Adam looks to have freed them?

· Off to meet “God”. Each group of Machines seem to have their own take.

o Pascal’s nature refuge

o The Fair and the celebration of pacifism, or swords into plowshares

o The Wood Kingdom and their King

o The Factory and their God

o The desert looks to have gone tribal

· Dear god, jones town

Some of them even wait as if they are hesitating.

Eve Revenge

· So Eve looks to have that black infection thing of Yona in Nier? (Black Scawl)

· Some of the new hostile Machines look partially deformed

· Resistance base being attacked in revenge

· Oh, they gave themselves mouths in order to devourer other mechanical beings. Lovely.

· Eve let’s himself be eaten, but since he’s part of the network still he will survive.

· Going to explore while Pascal is being attacked gets you a special ending. Fun.

· Eve, this fight….. It looks like Eve went Gestalt. Is that a thing? Eve is the Gestalt to Adam’s Replicant of the same person?

· Nines gains a mech-emil arm like Eve. Surely this won’t go bad.

· For a moment, if this were another game, 2B would have spared Eve. Nope. Actually I can’t fault her. Can sympathize with his pain, though.

· Zero Suit 2B in progress!. Infected Nines.

· Oh, that’s the end. Nines survives that way.

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Well, that felt like the most definite final battle. The game didn’t feel finished though.

So I guess a breakdown. I was right about the Aliens being dead and the Machines fighting them. I was wrong about the Aliens maybe not ever actually physically being present and/or being from the Drakengard alternative world.

It still bugs me about how much the Machines do look like Emil, but then again so do the Aliens. I suppose that explains that.

Still no final word on the fate of Humans or nearly anything regarding A2. I suppose those will be answered in the routers.

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