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the-monkey-ruler · 1 year

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so i did a deep dive today for this thank you for the new headcanon

i’m thinking yuán as in 猿 - 犭 = 袁

ape - animal radical = long cloth

like how 猻 - 犭 = 孫 = 孙 (simplified)

猻 is from 猴猻 hóusūn which means monkey

monkey - animal radical = grandson

孙悟空 • sūn wùkōng • grandson awakened to nothingness

袁巫支祁 • yuán wūzhīqí • long cloth great shaman/witch/sorcerer/wizard to support/bear/sustain

if you look at old chinese paintings of gibbons, they look like they have black bodies and white heads

btw i high recommend an evaluation of robert van gulik’s the gibbon in china and its place in modern sinological discourse on the academia app. it’s free and ripe with information about how gibbons were viewed and depicted in ancient china. robert’s book is damn expensive tho. i envy anyone who has their hands on it.

here’s an excerpt that surprised me:

The third theme is suggested in the following: “The gibbon is better than the monkey , the former is clean, gentle and recluse, the latter is dirty, noisy, greedy and vulgar” (“Mei yuan su hou”美猿俗猴) (TGIC 58). RvG thought this idea was pragmatic. Ancient Chinese literati like Wu Yun (“Poem of the Black Gibbon”) (TGIC 54-56), Li Deyu (“Poem of the White Gibbon) (TGIC 56-57), and Liu Zongyuan 柳完元 (773–819)21 (“Essay on the Hateful Monkey-breed” or “Zeng wangsun wen” 憎王孙文) (TGIC 54-56). Each compared the quarrelsome and volatile monkey with the aloof gibbon (TGIC 56). The lament is evidently directed against the people at court who caused their patron’s downfall (TGIC 57). Wu Yün, Li Deyu and Liu Zongyuan contrasted the violent and vulgar monkey with the high-minded and well-behaved gibbon. So the monkey is described as greedy, cruel and undependable, and ugly in appearance” (TGIC 57).

oh and the novel calls wūzhīqí great sage water ape… they were totally born from water. water egg? water womb?

and since it’s semi-popular in lmk fandom to make six-eared macaque a wind monkey due to the macaque king, that would leave red-buttocked horse monkey a fire monkey. red is the color of fire and the horse’s element is fire. in buddhism there are 4 great elements: earth, water, fire, and air so it all weirdly fits.

Oh damn you did such an AMAZING deep dive in both the language and history!! I adore it!!

I am aware the theory that Macaque King is the Six Ears is a common theory and with that the tie in with being the Great Sage of Ventilation, not just in LMK.

It would be cool if the Spiritual Primates had a connection to the elements, even if it is not the five. I actually forget that Buddism had its own elements that are technical since I always counted akasa/space.

But perhaps if the idea that each primate is also birthed from inanimate objects perhaps something like

Stone - Wukong

Pearl - Wuzhiqi / Gibbon

Magma - Baboon

Tree Root - Macaque (since air is also connected to wood in Chinese lore)

If they were ever to use the Gibbon as either the same Wuzhiqi from the Yuan Xiyouji she would be an amazing addition, or perhaps they could have used the Sage leaning background as well. In either case, there's so much history when it comes to both primate lore that I really think there can be a lot done with these findings

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noodlecatt467 · 9 months

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I could not get this interaction out of my head where the baboon would immediately assume Wukong and Macaque are a couple and them just being very confused when Wukong says that’s not the case

You know those two people that obviously love each other and everyone knows it but them,yeah that’s FFM with these guys, and they are over it

This scene is hypothetical and I have yet to decide whether it’s canon to the CelestialPrimatesAU comic

Also the grey monkey is the solder that rides with wukong on the cloud in the AU comic, I named him Wei,he has anxiety and I love him

#oc au #oc art #lego macaque #lego monkey kid fanart #lego sun wukong #lego monkie kid #shadowpeach #oc artwork #CelestialPrimatesAu #the red bottom horse monkey #young shadowpeach #four celestial primates #celestial primates #lmk wukong #the red butt horse faced monkey #lmk au

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ceruleite · 2 months

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Lego Monkie Kid | The Red Bottomed (Horse Monkey) Mandrill

This is a commissioned piece from @chewwypepsicola. Please do not repost or reuse this work for anything and support the original artist.

The second is the Red-Buttocked Horse-Monkey who has knowledge of yin and yang, understands human affairs, is adept in its daily life, and able to avoid death and lengthen its life.

Journey to the West

Meet Yě Gōngzhū, the Red Bottomed Mandrill! As a nomadic simian, Gōngzhū never stays in one place for long ,traveling around the globe learning and lending a helping hand wherever she goes. Her abilities allow her to bring balance to those she guides, and her ever-growing strength protects those who need it.

#lego monkie kid #monkie kid #monkie kid oc #lmk #lmk oc #fan character #Yě Gōngzhū #red bottomed mandrill #red bottomed horse monkey #journey to the west #commissioned art #art by ene/chewwipepsiecola #artists on tumblr

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mythologyfolklore · 6 months

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The 4 Monkeys of Havoc

(A/N: This is mostly for me, because I can never remember the right diacritics or special symbols.)

Língmíng Shíhóu (靈明石猴): “Stone Monkey of Numinous Wisdom” (=Sūn Wùkōng)

Chìkāo Mǎhóu (赤尻馬猴): “Red Bottom Horse Monkey”

Tōngbèi Yuánhóu (通背猿猴) / Tōngbì Yuánhóu (通臂猿猴): “(Arms) Through the Back Gibbon” / “Connected Arms Gibbon”

Liù’ěr Míhóu (六耳獼猴): “Six-Eared Macaque”

#journey to the west #four spiritual monkeys #sun wukong #red-bottomed horse monkey #long armed gibbon #liu er mihou

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violetjedisylveon · 5 months

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Shadowpeach Family AU Meme 5

writing gives me meme ideas

*Yuanhou is the Long Armed Gibbon and Mahou is the Red Bottomed Horse Monkey, Macaque is okay with Yellow Tusk, it's not great, but not terrible.*

I thought it would be funny to have Macaque know the other celestial primates and Wukong be confused af when these two show up at his house.

So they are besties and currently placing bets on how long it takes Wukong to realize that they are besties. Once he does they plan to go on double dates and trade stories of all the shit they've been up to.

Yuanhou and Mahou have been watching the development of Shadowpeach for the longest time. They have seen so much of it.

I hc that Yuanhou uses his arms the same way Plastic Man does cause, it's funny. I don't have a better reason, I just think it'd be funny. He will just drop stuff off on FFM from his home by just stretching his arm all the way over there.

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quitealotofsodapop · 6 months

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[However, I see your 5 elements and raise you one DUKE OF THUNDER!]

Okay, that has got to be the best bitchin title I have ever seen. Move over, Thor, we have a new royalty over thunder to gaze at!

Huh, so, if he could be another Celestial Monkey, likely even older than Babs or Gibbs...why didn't Buddha ever mention this guy?

*Several monkeys turn their heads to look at the big man himself*

Buddha: Ah, well, you see-Look, bear!

*Everyone quickly turns to look, realize the trick and snap back to see Buddha hastily making an escape through the window*

Hmm...*looks up which numbers are lucky in China*, okay, so 4 is actually unlucky, which is probs why the 4 Celestial Monkeys are also called the Monkeys of Destruction.

But the lucky numbers are 6 and 8, with 7 being a generally good number, but being also that the 7th Month is called the Ghost Month and it sounds close to 'to deceive'...hmmm...

Oh, and it sounds like a vulgar way of saying 'penis'.

Okay, so, Duke of Thunder, Long Armed Gibbon, Red Buttocked Horse Monkey, Intelligent Stone Monkey and Six Eared Macaque make 5.

Including our little Harbinger of Chaos, that makes 6, which is a lucky number.

But MK being the 7th Celestial Monkey would make it more fun - at least a part of me thinks so - so, who the hell could be the Sixth Monkey?

Wait...Wuxing has Earth and Wood be different elements...

Rin-Rin!

In Saiyuuki, she has similar eye markings to SWK - much like how Macaque has a similar one to SWK - which should mean, she is also a Celestial Monkey!

I once saw somebody headcanon that Rin-Rin is a flower monkey demon and her flower do give me Cosmo (a plant alien) from Sonic X vibes...that could work.

She's just chilling somewhere, never knew what she is and just exists, vibing along the way, not knowing all the bullshit that is going on, like:

Rin-Rin being that friend in the group who never got into any drama, and is still living their best life at home.

I even plan on her (at least a character based on her) still being alive/youthful in the TMKATI au, and the other monkeys are confused af. She's like the aunt/cousin in the monkey village who just... never aged?? They think maybe she ate a peach of immortality and didn't know about it.

Someone like Erlang (all seeing eye) peaks in and is like "Whoa. That monkey came *out* of a tree of immortality. Thats new. Wonder if anyone else knows about this... Best not say anything and cause a fuss."

#rin rin #lego monkie kid #lmk #the monkey king and the infant #the monkey king and the infant au #sun wukong #liu er mihou #six eared macaque #journey to the west #jttw theories #lmk theories #lmk the other celestial primates #lmk gibbon #lmk baboon #long armed gibbon #red bottomed horse monkey #the other celestial primates

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mentality-of-wukong-au · 10 months

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Last long? As is cease to exist…?

#lego monkie kid #lmk au #lmk season four #lmk macaque #lmk rumble #lmk savage #chikao muhou #red horse monkey #red buttocked horse monkey #red bottomed horse monkey

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button-au · 2 months

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Yeah… he is…

Mathias:they are dating~

MATHIAS I SWEAR-

Chikao: Awhh.

Tongbei: Young love.

#lego monkie kid #lmk x coraline #lmk au #chikao muhou #red horse monkey #red buttocked horse monkey #red bottomed horse monkey

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children-of-the-sun-au · 3 months

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Yeah… just trying to figure out where he is…

Chikao: He’ll be okay…he’s strong.

#lego monkie kid #lmk au #lmk #chikao muhou #red buttocked horse monkey #red horse monkey #red bottomed horse monkey

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ghost-tripitaka-au · 3 months

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Xing:…

Chikao clears throat: Apologies…I lost my temper there…

#lego monkie kid #lmk #lmk au #chikao muhou #red horse monkey #red buttocked horse monkey #red bottomed horse monkey

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the-monkey-ruler · 1 year

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omg and in the play before the novel wukong had an older sister called holy mother wuzhiqi!

She was! Another good reason to remember the prototype Wukong (Xingzhe) was that he had SIBLINGS.

I always thought how cool it would have been if the celestial primates were inspired by them but considering that Xingzhe had four siblings making them five altogether would be one too many. And that there only seem to be 3 Monkey Sages and Wukong being one of them, making them 1 monkey too few.

The number four really never gets touched... damn.

But if there was a way to combine the lore together it could be that three of his four siblings are actually monkeys (Wuzhiqi Shengmu, Qitian Dasheng, and Shuashua Sanlang) while his first sister is more human in her description in other sources (Lishan Laomu).

If I would have to somehow combine Xingzhe's lore with the Spiritual Primates then I think I would do it something like this.

Great Sage Equaling Heaven (Qitian Dasheng) 齊天大聖 - Changed to Sun Wukong

Great Sage Reaching Heaven (Tongtian Dasheng) 通天大聖, - Six Eared Macaque getting Xinghe's original title, maybe even hinting that he was the turbulent Sun Xingzhe prototype.

Playful Third (?) (Shuashua Sanlang) 耍耍三郎 - Red Bottom Horse Monkey

Holy Mother Wuzhiqi 巫支祇聖母 Wuzhiqi Shengmu- Long Armed Gibbon

I would think that maybe switching Xingzhe's original title with the 齊天大聖 would just highlight how different the Yuan Sun Xingshe and the Ming Sun Wukong were written. Giving a little meta-outlook that perhaps the Yuan tale was inspired by the Six-Eared Macaque all along which for an adaption I would find SUCH a cool reference.

There is a lot that could go into this kind of adaption, especially since there are still other monkey gods that are known about today that could be tied into giving the Primordial Primates some more background and lore, connecting them that they were all once monkeys of legend but eventually lost their prestige through time as their eldest brother overtook the spotlight.

It would just be awesome to give the Primates just more attention in that they had just vague backgrounds I get directors would want to just have fun with them, but having real ties to past Xiyouji adaptions just... would be so meaningful really.

Though another interesting tie-in (and might be more of a stretch) could be giving the other three celestial primates with the Three Monkey Sages.

That kind of adaption could be suggesting that the other three Sages were sticking together and making their own name until one of them gave in and wanted to imitate Sun Wukong.

Cinnabar Cloud Great Sage (DanXia DaSheng) 丹霞大圣 - The Red Face Monkey Sage - Six Earred Macaque

Great Sage Reaching Heaven (TongTian DaSheng) 通天大圣- The Black Face Monkey Sage - Long Armed Gibbon

Playful Third ShuaShua SanLang (耍耍三郎) - The White Face Monkey Sage - Red Bottom Horse Monkey

This is more based on the looks and the particular reason that I think that Six Ears being the Cinnabar Cloud Great Sage is better here since the Cinnabar Cloud Great Sage actually DID steal Wukong's identity in the Pacification of the Demons of Linshui 臨水平妖傳. Also, the Black Faced Monkey Sage looks more like a Gibbon and the White Face Monkey Sage looks more like a Baboon to me.

This has made me go on such a tangent but this is all to say that there could be SO MUCH MORE LORE in adaptions given to the primordial primate with how many AWESOME legends there are out there.

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the-monkey-ruler · 7 months

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hc that red buttocked baboon is that one fire horse guy who married pif in jtts idk how I just want a backstory for this guy

I would say, be careful, because Huaguang dadi is still worship today and is a real figure to be recognized and treated with respect. Also since he married Princess Iron Fan, in JTTS it’s suggested within the story that she never got married to DBK and Red Boy does not exist either.

Do you want some suggestions for other versions of how to give Red Baboon a backstory I personally enjoy connecting him with being born on different continents, being connected to Wukong's siblings from the saju play or the 3 Monkey Sages, and just interesting ideas of other myth like Wuzhiqi and the Gibbon. But you have a lot of options that doesn't erase other gods.

#anon ask #anonymous #anon #jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #red bottom baboon #red bottom horse monkey #celestial monkeys #spiritual primates #ask

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noodlecatt467 · 9 months

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